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Enyinne:
I will like to thank everyone that mediated on this door issue with Michlin. We hv finally settled it amicably, i was able to take 4 doors out of it as my engineer said that the maximum we can take cos of the size . So Michlin agreed to refund 60k to me while i keep the door till he finds a way to retrieve it . It was a peaceful settlement by both parties . I will do the needful.
Michlin I apologize for the use of words but it was caused by the ill treatment i was receiving. Lets treat each other with more kindness, it helps .
Thanks so much . I will do the needful on my post

We suppose pop champagne.

You both deserve award.

Jeff68:
Pls. can any plumber here/anyone give me an idea of how much to pay for installation of all bathroom fixtures, i.e toilet, washhand basin, taps...complete set.

thanks!

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Egun
Syder880

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topsy23:
We have not fix the problem on ground

We are giant of Africa. Giants do big sturvs. (eni nla lo nse ohun nla)

kopell:
Haba kilode 2800 per sqm for labour? Those prices are for diasporas not Nigerians in naija. Egun you should no better, I just get some done last week on top of my penthouse, it’s cost me 520 per sqm because of the hight and size, only 100 sqm. That why it’s cost that much. No mater what equipment they have, it’s can never be better the new laser tool technology they’re using here. My opinion it’s shouldn’t be more then 500 to 5050 per sqm, you can get better price if the area is bigger.

Baba let boys chop na

twinskenny:
baba it depends o ... met some guys in lekki they have some fantastic tools for cutting and all.. they charge like 2800 per sqm labour only.


but i think the average cost is around 500 to 800 depends on location and negotiation power

Charging 2,000 more than those doing it the conventional way

That’s smart!

jabolo:
Although, I live in an 80 year old house with PVC doors and windows all round. All the things you mention there are alien to me.

I’ll show pictures later today.

I agree with the expensive part. Though the guys who made those windows are out of business now or maybe they move to a different environment where there product will be appreciated.

In terms of quality, I’d go with PVC.

Iriruaga100:
My dad was a pioneer staff at DSC Aladja. He said the steel plant has the capacity to produce vehicle parts. DSC has phase 2 that was never built. My dad was in SMS department. The company was mismanaged after Engr Fred Brume left.

There’s still hope

EgunMogaji2:
Please share the issues if you can. It was the in thing in the USA some years back.

Co-asking

@Horlahdorjah

EgunMogaji2:
Onsite aluminum roofing.

1) No transportation issues.

2) Exact lengths cut onsite.

3) Less waste.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLr6orBINjE

This is what we call cool!

kopell:
Please do what you can. Do not underestimate the Nigeria market you’ll be surprise the little knowledge you have that you can add value to the market space. It’s an opportunity for you to create your own empire in manufacturing process. I understand the process is very easy and cheap in terms of plasma cutting CNC programming for Complicated designs. Nigeria is market for new ideas.

I’m going to PVC windows pretty soon. The aluminum window market is too saturated.

sonnie10:
Still available for sale till August 30th
500CAD is equal to 395USD

Out right sales not auction. Minor scratch not junk You can even make an offer. [s]Still looking for a cheaper one at the junkyard.[/s]

This will do for me.

When are you shipping sir? Remember your promise o!

michlins:
the tools are very important. Up till now,we still do sanding manually.


But with the tools available, we're doing quite well.

You’re talking to class captain of the section. He’s Oga for tools here.

michlins:
it will take more than materials to keep turkey doors off our market. From the tools, to the skills and branding. We still have a long way to go but this is a step in the right direction

We are getting there bro. I know quite a number of guys who pay premium for locally built doors (steel or wooden).

I mean good money.

I know a client here whose bedroom doors (local) cost 230k each as at 2012.

I agree we need the skills and materials but I think the tools makes the big difference.

EgunMogaji2:
You’ll be surprised at the investment level that’s available on just this thread.

Form a corporation around a credible idea and offer to us. Just make the collateral the machinery.

Money in accounts makes no sense right now.

Too many money making ideas here.

Etranshub:
Matte black finish on plasma and pipe handrail

For your bespoke metal works for your housing projects (burglary, hand rails,gates,doors, car port, metal furniture etc) contact us today . Our prices are pocket friendly and the designs are top notch and far from the regulars. We have numerous designs in our catalog .

08167488947 Michael (calls and WhatsApp)

This is thick! Well done

Inception:
Funny enough, the manufacturing process is very simple. More like how steel panels are manufactured in a car assembly plant (closed die forging)

The downside is that initial set up and tooling cost is prohibitively high. and high demand must be assured to be profitable.

At a time i was seriously thinking of designing and building a CNC plasma cutter (with a cutting table of 2.5mx 8m ) to offer metal design cutting services but Naija wahala no gree me

We have several people doing that business now which is cool but I’d love to see far more creative sturvs.

EgunMogaji2:
Seriously though, why can’t we make this in Nigeria? It’s straightforward enough.

It’s no big deal honestly.

michlins:
import these and turn millionaire in six months

I know those doors will keep Turkey doors off our market if we have them in Nigeria.

Let me open discussion with the guy and see what I can come up with.

EgunMogaji2:
Yes, there was a NairaLander on the same trip. He can chime in if he chooses.

In 2017 or so I rode from Los Angeles to San Diego just to have lunch with another NairaLander on here, Shagati. In 2019 or so he returned the pleasure by riding down from Lagos to Ibadan, just for us to have lunch.

Life is as easy or as hard as one makes it

Asejire River in the background.

They’re still searching for my own Harley Davidson in the junkyard.

I’ll join you soon

Are these beautiful sturvs available in our local market yet?

Found these online by someone who’s ready to export.

diordaves:
Advice is just all over the place.

#. You advised him to speak first with the site engineer. Not a good idea. He did this with megacontrol project I think. We all know what happened. Fraud!

#. Some have advised that he fabricates exactly the size of the opening. He did this with a client here. He almost got into trouble. The window didn't fit without clearance. The client though reasonable, said as a professional he should have known better to accommodate clearance for installation.

#. Now he has delivered with clearance for installation. Trouble.

#. You advised him to first travel from the East to Lagos just to take measurements. This is just not practicable in this modern era. You said you have imported kitchen from Wickes in the UK. Did they travel first to Nigeria just to take measurements before delivering?

How this things are done is to deliver EXACTLY to the letter the measurements given by the client. 3ft must be 3ft if this is the measurement given. If it doesn't fit, it's the client's responsibility. He was contracted to deliver 3ft. He wasn't contracted to install or worry how it would be installed.

He should talk to the client nicely (peace rapping) with a view to giving a mutually negotiated rebate for any inconveniences caused.

On the flip side, if contracted to install as well, deliver EXACTLY the measurements given and break walls or find creative ways to install. If walls are to be knocked down, consult the client first BEFORE commencing.

Now if from consultation with the client it was agreed that clearance for installation should be accommodated, then the quote should be for the reduced size with demonstrable difference in the price.

I speak as a professional here and not as a client. I does from the place of experience not as an emotional observer.

The same issue still happened to someone here few days ago.

Read my position on the window project. I gave the same advice.

It’s a free world though so he can choose what advice to follow.

michlins:
at first I got angry and that's how I lashed out at her but then she's still my customer who gave me her hard earned money. That's what some family members won't do for you.

And all these are opening me up to improved ways people do things. I might say am still running business the way I learnt from my boss.

Will this type of thing happen to me again where I assume the customer knows what he or she wants, absolutely not

I have a secret to share with you on how to handle these type of issue moving forward.

This simple tip will save you a lot of headache if you apply it in your business.

One thing you should have noticed by now is that the client is a complete novice on your profession. She’s just using ideas

Mama @eyinne, don’t come for me o.

As a matter of fact, she had no idea about the door sizes until she was told.

Know your client. Know who has the final authority. Deal directly with the decision makers.

It’s easier for @spyder880 to understand and deal with you than @eyinne because he’s in the field and he has all the need-to-know information which @eyinne can never dream of.

Often times, we tend to believe the man who made the payment is the decision maker. That’s partly true. There’s always that silent person whose opinion can never be discarded.
In some cases, it’s the madam of he house.

Did you realize it was the site engineer who actually complained about the door before madam brought it here? Even though she didn’t say it, I know he’s the decision maker here. His position determines whether the doors will be used or not?
Since he’s not involved in the award of the job, he’d only stay silent until issues crop up.

I’m not saying the engineer on this particular project is the one behind this issue o.

Moving forward, always tell your clients to allow you speak directly with the engineer on site. If it’s a project without an engineer, request for pictures that depict exactly what the client wanted. Ask specific questions to clarify likely issues.

Lastly, take the pain to visit the site to take as-built measurement of any job given to you.

Well done bro! You’re doing well!

EgunMogaji2:
Thanks for the response.

So how is it priced? Per square meter? I think I want a 4’x5’.

Sir, let’s allow the MEP pros proffer a solution first. I’d send you the contact of the frameless glass guy.

Watch out for battle of wits

EgunMogaji2:
Here is the floor plan. The confusion is fitting both a tub and shower in the space.

@topsy23
@abulitech
@walexprojects

You’re on call!

EgunMogaji2:
There’s a separate space for the WC and basin.

Let me draw something up to clarify.

This thread has some innovative and fresh minds that you’d really love to tap from.

They’re smoking hot right now.

For MEP, I’d suggest you task:

@topsy23
@abulitech
@walexprojects

They design and deploy world class solutions.

EgunMogaji2:
I have 104” width by 60” depth space for my master bathroom. I ended with this small space because I carved out my safe room from it which is a ridiculous 12’ x 12’.

Do you think I can fit both a standing shower and a bath or I should just go for a shower alone. I doubt they have bathtubs in 5’ length.

You’d be fine with just one.

Meanwhile, shower enclosure is the in-thing now.

jabolo:
No, he has 'history'

Naijapal:
U trap is what you need to insert. I'll share a picture later in the evening. It's something similar to what happens at WC where odour can't pass through the water.

Edit: ignore. On re-reading it's clear the odour is outside and not inside the building. The solution I proposed is for indoor odour.
Raise the pipe very high as suggested. Methane and other constituents is lighter than air and would not come down when released at a higher height.

Maintenance-Free Solution.

PAPAFEELERS:
Good day All and trust your day is progressing well.

Please what can one add to a soakway to douse the odor emanating from it? the soakaway is not full just to make it clear but the odor comes out from the vent ontop of the soakaway.

I am wondering if there are chemicals or freshners that can be placed in the soakaway or vent to douse the order?

We learn everyday and the knowledge shared will be beneficial to the society.

Block the vent on the septic tank and get your plumber to run another vent to a safe place outside your fence or on the roof. Any space higher than the roof will keep the smell away.

yungmin:
You quoted and unquoted a document lol. I have done 75meters without expansion joint. More so, as the structural designer, I can decide to remove expansion joint and then apply the estimated temperature variation as a load in the structural analysis.

I cited it for reference.

I also had to quickly agree that there’s a new research which nullified the initial claim.



#GiGo

Itsrm:
You are only repeating what he himself has acknowledged here. Emphasis on the bolded

See quote below


Where I fault him is he didn't just add the pipes or do whatever it takes to get the exact dimension he was told to make

To be honest, I didn’t see that comment.

This means the client is not at fault. If I give you money to buy me a 3ft door, I expect a 3ft door and not something less.

The explanation given won’t fly with me because I understand what’s at play. The vendor is trying to reduce offcuts/wastages on the job which is fine but I shouldn’t be made to pay for that.

I do give my workers instruction not to cut my plywood but I won’t tell them to reduce the decking size because I don’t want to use more boards. I provide them alternatives to use when I want to minimize wastages.

Pls kindly help me here.

Maybe I’ve lost touch with modern day realities.

If main entrance door is 2ft 9 inches wide, what size will a toilet door be?