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chy101:
Computers and Laptops are now a common thing in Anambra secondary schools as students are computer wiz-kids are in the making, the first ever to happen in Nigeria.

Pictures, or it never happened. We had at least 20 Computers in my State Secondary School - RSS Sagamu, in 1993.
What do you mean first in Nigeria?

It is still nothing like the pictures I posted. And the roads in the pictures I posted will have a longer life-span than the one in Lekki. If it is that secure, then there won't be need for overlaying of soil.

Plus rain washes soil to the roads and makes them dusty in dry seasons, and muddy in the rainy seasons.

Tile it. Use tar, Concrete slabs or interlocking blocks that integrate with the kerb and hold it all firmly in place. That way when heavy rain falls, it just flows off the flat surface and the life time of the road is extended. It's what they do here in the UK.

Example.

I thought this thread was about 'development'.

Typical Nigerians who don't read and digest before posting. Why would a private company build a bridge for more than it costs when they intend to recoup their investments in the shortest time possible?

Brilliant!. Is there any sort of driver's awareness program that tells drivers the meaning of the single yellow line and the solid white line on the bridge?



Secondly, the point of failure on the ramp is clear to see. I wonder road construction in Nigeria still happens this way. The  kerb is made up of hundreds of concrete pieces which rest on a cake of red soil on a slope. After one session of heavy rain, the soil will be washed away, the kerb's concrete pieces will have nothing to support them, a car's front tyre hits one of them and they all come crashing down. The asphalt is then exposed and washing away begins. How are they not able to see it?

This dude actually came to start a topic. Okay, I won't do long articles with you any more. Let's have a discussion if you dare. I know you won't come back because you have no answer. So here's how the discussion goes. Please provide answer to these two questions and we take it from there.


1. Why do you believe Keli Gwyn's blog is sufficient enough to back up your points?
2. Where is the list of Profitable Libraries you said already run in the UK and US?



Please provide these answers but I trust you would not come back.

Anything begun yet?

So you believe the State Governments will channel these funds into the construction of Federal roads if allocated the funds.

£200 for 800kbps download speed. Na wa ooo.

Can you tell me where I told you I started an online publishing business?

I find amusing that you do not even understand my line of argument. For that reason alone, I say you are not a smart dude.
I never told you Libraries do not exist. I never told books do not sell. What I am telling you is that it is a declining market.
If you do not accept that, then you should never call yourself an entrepreneur.

You want one company that has lived strong and still contending after 40 years. Off the top of my head, IBM, HP, Nigerian Breweries, Guiness, MC Donald's, Burger King, KFC, Sony, Samsung, Toyota, GM, GE, Boeing, First Bank, Union Bank, without even researching.

pash4naija:
Yes, you recoup your profits and you also build a business that will have a target market for its time. Believe me, Nigeria is ripe for it. Is business not about profit? Is it not what you've also been saying? There are still people who even at that time will not have access to that technology. Even today, many people in the developed countries don't even have access so what are you talking about? having it available and having access to it are two different things. I for one do not even like to read with gadgets. I prefer the old way of reading and i'm not even middle aged. It's left to him to take the ideas and do a research/market survey and based on that decide whether he'll continue or not. But saying outrightly its a waste of time, is just what it is, naysayin. I can bet you someone that knows their onions will still take this idea and make something of it.  But the key is research. And mind you, Naija is not the same as US

Who builds a business for its time? Why don't you want to sustain it for 20 years, 40 years and hand over to your kids? Business is not only about profits, it's more importantly about sustained profits.

It is a waste of time honestly because it will eventually fold up. This is akin to you telling me that because many people do not have access to MP3 players, ipods, and music gadgets around the world, it is still lucrative to start a CD manufacturing business. No serious business minded person pursues a business idea when they know it will fold in time. Just because it pays profits now. You will end up broke.

When do you draw the line and say at this point, it is time to pull out. Let me give you a case scenario.

You start up a library in your neighbourhood, you hire one administrator, one IT person and one store assistant. You rent a place and stock books of all sorts. People like it. They patronize, you make some money. Word spreads and more people come in. More money. Then the place becomes jam-packed, you decide to buy more space, more chairs, more tables, more books, more computers.

Then you hear that some people would love not to travel to get to your library. You want to take advantage of that market and you open a second library. One more administrator, one more store assistant and one more IT person. You are growing making money. More customers, more space, more tables, more chairs, more books.

At this point, what's you plan? Expand or maintain? There's a market, more people want more libraries. You probably won't surround yourself with people like me who advise you on the outlook of your business model, you'll have people who ask you to invest for the moment.

Then you fire on.

More outlets, more staff, more books, more money. Now bear in mind that with all this comes more creditors, more contracts, more contractors, more suppliers, more financial commitment. (Details of which I cannot explain now).

Then after 3 years you notice the first decline in sales revenue. . . Oh no! It's just a blip. It should rectify. You hear on the news that Apple opened a store at the Eko Atlantic centre and are selling the Ipads half price. The other companies follow suit and open stores in Nigeria. . Why? Because Globacom now has an operational LTE network and people are downloading content over the wireless in Mbps speeds. Glo slash prices.

GTB, Zenith, Access sign deals with Mastercard and Visa that enables their Nigerian customers open current accounts with banks cards and are now able to buy books online from Amazon as part of the deal. (Amazon trying to capitalize on a potential 50million population market).  Then a smart individual opens a store in computer village selling Amazon Kindles. People like the e-ink technology because it looks and feels just like a book and doesn't strain the eye.

The Chinese realize an opening in the world market and then flood the Nigerian market with cheap Ipad replicas - cheaper than a mobile phone. Every mekunu (ordinary man) has a hand held device that connects to the internet through their ISPs.

And you thought the decline in revenue was just a blip . . . When in fact people are now downloading and renting books online for a fraction of what it costs to travel to your library and rent a book. The reluctance to get to the library. You don't see it coming because you cannot anticipate. . . So you spend the money in the bank on advertising and more awareness and more adverts. . . . Your reserves are depleting quicker than your income. . . but less people are coming into the library.

So what do you do? You cut staff and announce that you have to close a store. However, that doesn't help because people would rather borrow a friend's kindle and read a book on it - saving the cost of borrowing a book from your library.

The decline continues, you have to cut more staff, but out-going payments don't stop. Creditors are calling for their money, contractors are calling the money. Suppliers are harassing and threatening litigation.

So what happens? You end up paying everything you ever made from the business and end up shutting down simply because you failed to see where the world is heading.

pash4naija:
I can assure that if you build tht business well, even if tech takes over in latter years, you'll still have made your money and recouped your profits way over.

And what do you do? Give out all the books, sack your staff, burn down the building and walk away because you've recouped your profits? Many people need enlightening. This is the typical idea of a black man. I recouped my profits.

[quote author=Mr. Globe link=topic=772970.msg9274505#msg9274505 date=1317738875]OH really, then you mean we will all be in heaven by 2020. Good look but books will always remain books to heaven. 2020 is just 9 yrs from now. Ereaders have NOT affected best selling publishers from making their sales. What will happen is new ipad will come that will replace Ipad 2 but NOT books. Publishers will still be around by 2020 and their sales will not reduce. Its just better because they will earn from both sides. Remeber, not everybody fancies and uses phones for that matter talk more of ereaders- Kanye west. Guy get links, support these your pessimisms. I will get a million when am off this[/quote]How old are E-readers? How many E-readers have been sold and how have they taken over 10% of the book market is a short period and you are here under-estimating the next 9 years. "Just 9 years from now" . . . Imagine you marketing yourself as a business development manager. You will actually advice your investors to put money in a declining market when the figures are there to show?

[quote author=Mr. Globe link=topic=772970.msg9274392#msg9274392 date=1317737849]Nah, in two years, ve grown the bizzness. You people dont kill me. How many Nigerians use the internet? How many literate people do we have in Nigeria? And since the book culture has not died with the inventors of internet, you think it will die. The fact is many people fall to hearsay in naija easily and give up. You hear books are not selling no more and you jump in the thought. How many sales of the ebook have you sold online? Am thinking, how would I even buy a fiction book in ebook format? Lmao. I bet you will NEVER enjoy reading it. There is a difference between professional and indeginous books (you need them)- even if I fall into the tot that I will not be allowed to rent indeginous books what about during projects, assignments and seminars, bet you need all books and bro go to abebooks.com, textbooks.com and see how much they are caking. I market for them online and during august, sales are out the roof. And they tell you ebooks sell more, Lmao - marketing. Even used books sell like bread. And this are the people that invented, use and own the net. Bro the truth is marketing died in nigeria and business died with it[/quote]Why do you think Nigerians don't use the internet? What is the primary factor? Are these factors likely to change? If/When they change, how does it affect my business? These are more crucial questions to me than all you are typing. I know the answer to these questions. You don't.

Secondly . . I am a business man and only the figures interest me. Give me the 2010 financial statements of abebooks.com and textbooks.com and then produce the financial statements for when they started up. Then we will have a conversation as to how much they are "caking" . . . I only do figures mate.

You market for them, give us sales figures. Let us know how the figures went through the roof. I have not told you Ebooks have taken over. . . I am telling you Ebooks will be taking over. Many books still sell. I still bought a book this week. The paper back however is going to die, it's inevitable.


Go to the American Association of Publishers website and read their publications of the growth of the ebook and tell me if you are not naive starting a library in this age.


Excerpt from AAP.

"E-books grew a dramatic +164.8 percent in December 2010 vs the previous year ($49.5 Million vs $18.7M). In the AAP’s ninth year of tracking this category, E-books once again increased significantly on an annual basis, up +164.4 percent for 2010 vs 2009 ($441.3M vs $166.9M). E-book sales represented 8.32 percent of the trade book market in 2010 vs 3.20 percent the previous year"


"Books on other digital platforms also experienced healthy sales growth. For December 2010, Downloaded Audio Books increased +56.7 percent to $8.9M and Physical Audio Books increased +34.5 percent to $15.8M. For the calendar year, Downloaded Audio Books sales rose by +38.8 percent to $81.9M (vs $59.0M in 2009), while Physical Audio Books fell 6.3 percent, at $137.3M for 2010 vs $146.5M for the previous year."


Excerpt from publishingperspective.com on a survey conducted by the Book Industry Study Group.

The BISG’s “Survey of Consumer Attitudes Toward E-Book Reading” consists of three surveys taken over the course of nine months. The most recent findings and their implications for the industry include:

. . . . . Thirty-seven percent of e-book buyers bought their first digital book within the last six months. Because so many consumers are only beginning to develop the habit of buying e-books, publishers have an opportunity to shape expectations about such things as pricing and the timing of digital releases.

. . . . . . Asked what they would do if the e-book version of their favorite author’s title was not available at the same time as the hardcover, 32 percent said they would wait to buy the ebook, and 21 percent said they’d buy the hardcover,





It would be extremely foolish for any smart entrepreneur to ignore figures like these and hold on "HOPE" and "LOVE OF PAPER BACK" rather than the reality.

In 2005, a Nokia 3310 with a fully functional Econnet SIM card cost N40,000. 2011- 6 years later how much will you get a 3310? If you buy it for N1000, you should be shot. Calculate the percentage depreciation. Gentleman, just like everything changes, an entrepreneur who either ignores or underestimates the digital age is already bound to fail.

By 2020, the first Kindle ever made will be available on ebay for $1. The first ipad ever made will be available for $10. Just like mobile phones proliferate the place now in Nigeria, e-readers and tablets will be available like Kerosine. In 2020, more than 40% of Nigerians will be incredibly, technologically aware. All kids will have mobile phones. A laptop will be extinct with the very first quad-core processor tablet being launched later this year. What do you think the world will be up to by 2020? The world is already thinking of commercializing the first transparent and flexible OLED monitor and flexible TV screen.

The content does not change, it's the medium of carrying the content that changes. It's like you telling me a middle aged person will never buy a CD player because their favourite country music is on a cassette player. The book remains the book. The pages will not change, they will just not be available in paper backs. And if you in 2012, think that paper backs are the future then good luck to you.

Many people in the UK don't take their Bibles to church any-more. It's available on anything mobile you can lay your hands on. You will buy different versions and it still does not increase the weight of your mobile, neither does it change the content.

My issues are not with whether kids will or will not read. Or whether Parents will or will not encourage their kids to read. My issue is why would they choose you as the source of books when there are options?

Don't act like kids don't already read now. Don't act like parents don't already buy books for their kids. Most Nigerian students have their curriculum drawn off indigenous books not foreign authors. So which indigenous author will allow a library buy their books, keep on a shelf and make money off it without paying royalty. Licensing issues. How much will you pay the authors? How can you convince an author that sales revenue from books sales is obsolete and meagre compared to book rental revenue. Or you didn't think about that?

So how much you will pay the author will go a long way in determining how much you charge per rental. How can you maintain a balance and keep all parties happy? While you are busy running a charity and spending a fortune on advertising, I have opened an online store, invited Nigerian authors to sell encrypted copies of their books online, saving huge money in publishing, launching and advertising. What's more these e-books cost a fraction of the books you've spent a fortune acquiring in your charity library.

In 2 years, you are out of business.

[quote author=Mr. Globe link=topic=772970.msg9272182#msg9272182 date=1317718998]You talked about Netflix that doubled their price few months ago. Guess if it was unseccessful nobody would have cared but they got over 48000 comments on their page with people very angry. You said books are not futuristic but we still have best selling books world over. Go to amazon and check stats for their best selling paperback, compare it with digital. Not everybody is ready to read electronically and like I said the target is on parents not the kids. The parents will make the effort to get these books for their kids, many people are willling to read in universities - poor libraries are jampacked during exams. I can keep saying but I dont want some people hijacking this idea although I dont intend using it. I know religious middle aged people read religious books and all and dont care about new tech. The poster above is just a job material so he is not built for thinking & who says the timing is short. Its just about gettin original ideas within the shortest time frame,  Just a different world with different people. Post this on yahoo answers or huffingtonpost and you will see innovative reactions. Back to sleepThe parents will make the effort to get these books for their kids, many people are willling to read in universities - poor libraries are jampacked during exams. I can keep saying but I dont want some people hijacking this idea although I dont intend using it. I know religious middle aged people read religious books and all and dont care about new tech. The poster above is just a job material so he is not built for thinking & who says the timing is short. Its just about gettin original ideas within the shortest time frame,  Just a different world with different people. Post this on yahoo answers or huffingtonpost and you will see innovative reactions. Back to sleep[/quote]The reasons people go out of business: One major reason is - Many people "HOPE" that their idea will be big. . . Rather than "KNOWING" that their idea will will work. It's amazing how you think I am ignorant when you haven't posted anything worth believing in.

What's your target market? . . . Parents.

How many parents do you know personally that go to Libraries to read books? Have you done a market survey to find out how many parents will use your product? Definitely kids are not interested so where does that leave you? You keep saying the Parents will do this and the Parents will do that. . How do you know they will? Let me give a little tip gentleman. You cannot build an idea into a big one without asking an important question. . . What option do my prospective customers have?

How much would it cost? N100, N200, N500? Why would anyone pay N100 to rent a book when they can buy and own a pirated book from Yaba for just a few more hundreds? Why would anyone rent a book when they can buy an own one in digital copy for "FREE" sometimes on Amazon? Why would anyone rent a book from you when they can find PDF copies of the same book downloaded from torrent search engine?


Middle aged people don't care about new tech:
How do you know? Is this because they haven't tried? Years ago, someone could have convinced you middle aged people don't care about a mobile phone. If you give a kindle to middle aged person, show them how to use it, are you telling me they will pass and choose the library instead? If so how many will? Statistics, numbers. . . . Is this what you based the longevity of the company on? On the hope that middle aged people will not like the digital way. You are talking rubbish.

Universities:
How many universities use books outside their curriculum? In this day of handouts. How many Lecturers encourage their students to read outside the curriculum? 80% of University students graduate will lower than 2-1. Most of the 80% are not readers. They stick to their handouts and forget the rest. So you hoping that the few 20% will come strolling into your library to read a book and this will give you your desired profit that sustains the company.

Locations/Outlets
Where do you locate your library? Inside Unilag? LASU? How many outlets do you intend to open up with N1m? Why would anyone spend nearly N500 on transport to get to your outlet when they can download and own that same book for for £4?

Massive companies like Amazon are looking forwards. Even newspapers are feeling the pinch. Most newspapers in the world are experiencing declining revenues from the sale of print. Most of them are going for the option of online subscription.

http://www.economist.com/node/21528611

"In the first five months of this year sales of consumer e-books in America overtook those from adult hardback books. Just a year earlier hardbacks had been worth more than three times as much as e-books, according to the Association of American Publishers. Amazon now sells more copies of e-books than paper books. The drift to digits will speed up as bookshops close. Borders, once a retail behemoth, is liquidating all of its American stores".

you tried to compare Amazon with a library without considering the all important factor. Availability! Amazon is reachable by all and sundry without having to leave your front door. The don't have to worry about overhead from stores, staff and every other cost associate with running a library and that there is your biggest competitor. Try beat them.

The idea is DOA.

It's amazing Dudu still thinks Arsenal can make top four.

1. 60,000 is too cheap for the innovative mind you are looking for.

2. 14 days are too few to come up with a workable plan. Especially when you've asked the intending participant to consider other business models. The business models of Netflix have been re-developed and refined for years, yet you want a serious mind to study that within a fortnight.

3. Blockbuster have closed down over 800 stores if I remember the numbers correctly. They've had to re-model and re-think their business model. You are about to start what they are closing. If you really have the slightest idea about Blockbuster, Amazon, Netflix, you will know that,

4. The business idea is faulty. I believe you are emotionally attached and cannot draw a fine line between what you like to do and what will work because,

6. It is not futuristic. One of the basics of a proper idea is it's longevity. The digital age will eventually catch up and wipe out the era of books. If you choose to preserve it, then go ahead and start a charity. If you want to do business, you have to be decisive.

7. I do not see any future for the idea and for that reason, I'm out!   (Dragon's den!)

So If you are determined, You still cant lose to a superior opponent?

You tell me. Since you are obviously the one arguing for both sides now.
Everyone seems to have lost understanding of exactly what you are arguing about.

Still in the business of contradicting and exposing yourself. . .

Bolton played man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool in succesion. Their opponents in all these games were stronger on paper. So losing to them is expected

What about the part where the players decide to stop the rot and fight back from their many losses?

I am struggling to understanding which part you are still arguing because you are all over the place. You have seized the initiative, taken over the whole show and now effectively arguing against yourself all in one night. SMH.

dayokanu:
Nateevs, This is beyond pathetic, Did you read your responses before you post? or you just type away?
What about the part where the players decide to stop the rot and fight back from their many losses?
So in your conclusion since they lost their last 5 games they would be psychologically down and would continue losing , That was why they lost to Chelsea?
If you were a Psychologist by profession You would have been fired long ago.
Nateevs you are a phocking disgrace!!

Exactly! So if it is possible to "stop the rot and fight back from their many losses" , why are you then making a case for them for losing games against tough opposition? Is it only against Chelsea they could have fought back?

So they were either poor in quality which made them easy to be run over or they were suffering from lack of confidence, having lost previous games to the big boys, and then that made it easy for them to be run over. . , 

Whichever way you want to spin it, you still are not winning.

It just looks like you are exposing how st.upid you are every half a minute now. My fear is that the rate is increasing.

dayokanu:
You knew people went brain upgrades and deliberately stayed back or they bounced you that you needed at least 73 previous upgrades to be eligible?  
How were you able to keep a straight face typing the bolded? Can you name 5 other teams who have faced tougher or equal oppositions and their position in the league?
See what Nateevs has turned football analysis to? its now Psychology? When you saw then walk to the field in their own stadium, You were able to see that they were not confident enough and thus Chelsea was able to run them over?  
have you considered that Basket mouth and Ali Baba made millions saying similar things. Football turned comedy. Did you also see those of the Bolton players who had erections going to the field? or how many of them did their gf nag before leaving home?

Nateevs at this point I would suggest you get a cold beer and a shower. You have embarrased yourself enough for tonight.

It is obvious now that you have nothing else to say. No more facts, no more yeye backups.
So turning all to jokes will be an easy way to leave the argument without notice.

For the record, Dayo believes that it is impossible for Bolton to not feel lack of confidence after playing City, Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal in a row and losing all games. In fact, Dayo must be the first person who tries to dissociate psychology from football when every football club pay millions to psychologists . . .


You are very very daft. . . and you are doing your personality no good by persisting with this futile argument.

dayokanu:
You have indeed confirmed yourself as the greatest Mor0n on this forum,

When you were christened Omugo Akindindinrin Akindanidani, Little did people know it would have far reaching effect on your life.

Chelsea plays Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal pick 2 points from those games
Wigan play Swansea Liverpool Woves Everton Sunderland pick 3 points from those
Swansea plays Blackburn, Norwich, WBA and Wigan pick 5 points from those games that means

Means amongst those 3 teams Chelsea is the weakest? This is Grade 1 stupidity, I am sure your type would be wanted in all biological labs for studies on inherited and acquired stupid1ty


So Stoke is better than Bolton means Bolton is the worst team in the league? a league of 20 teams?

Nateevs did you suddenly develop this stupidity or you have had it all along?

OMG This kind of stupidity cant be available anyhow, You are an endagered specie of how a human can function on negative IQ

You probably were pasting you-tube videos on the Arsenal threads when everyone went for brain upgrades. At the time Bolton played Chelsea, they were the poorest team in the league copping just 3 points in their last 7 games and sitting on the bottom of the table. Whether that is as a result of tougher opposition is yet to be determined but at present is only subjective.

Secondly this only exposes your argument. After playing Pool, Utd, City, Arsenal and losing to them all, how do you expect them to come into the game with Chelsea feeling confident? How can you then argue that Chelsea running them over is "only" as a result of Torres not being in the team?

Can you see how daft you are looking by the minute?

FYI Bolton in their 7 games have played Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester City.

Any intelligent analyst would consider that Bolton has played all the big boys in the league and[b] those results are not a reflection of what their average performance all season would look like.[/b]

Stu.pid goat. Have you seen anyone arguing that this is what Bolton performance will look like over the season? Maybe this is what you have at the back of your mind. Arindin!  

It does not matter what teams they played running up to when they played us, what matters is their form coming into the Chelsea game and they lost almost all except the first. Stoke have already played Chelsea, ManU and Liverpool. You know what they got off those games? 5pts. Bolton got Zilch and conceded 11 goals in the same games.
How can they not be the worst team? You like to think you are smarter than you are but you are laying your silly.ity bare in public.

Dude.

You are obviously deluded. It is absolutely stu.pid to try to argue in this way. 'The number of passes is inversely proportional to Torres' number of minutes on the pitch'. I will not go down the route of beer parlour analysis with your dumb arrse.

Unless you can prove the number of passes completed by the team in the time Torres was playing you cannot prove anything mate. More importantly, you cannot drag me with you into the gutters of intellectually-bereft arguments of concluding that the number of passes made by the "whole team" is influenced by the presence/absence of an attacker.

I am sorry but intentionally excluding other crucial factors like;

Influence of other featuring personnel on particular match-day,
Strength of opposition,
Defensive set-up of opposition,

to name a few in a bid to win a hopeless argument is absolutely heart breaking.


How can anyone argue like this? What are you trying to prove?

dayokanu:
I was waiting for him to hang himself.

The "We were playing a poor team" argument might have held if the other 6 teams you played were very strong teams. I have shown him that 5 of those 6 teams were equally as poor as Bolton.

I knew it was an INTELLECTUAL FAILING cos there was only one cop out for him, There was only one excuse that could bail him out and he isnt even thinking in that direction. If he had argued that the Bolton figures were OUTLIERS,

It might have made a plausible argument and I might have cut him some slack and wait for stats from the other 2 "WITHOUT TORRES" fixtures to compare the averages with the previous "WITH TORRES" games

I mean just look at his post. Talking to me without any evidence or back up. I am researching figures and my brain interprets it in more ways than you will ever be able to dude.

I give you the form of the teams leading up to the time we played them.

Stoke -            First game
WBA -             L
Norwich -         D D L
Sunderland -    D L D
Swansea -       L D D L W
United -           W W W W W
Bolton -           W L L L L L


This is what all the teams were doing just before we met them. Now Dayo was trying to tell me that Bolton was not the worst team we've played. The only team that comes close to Bolton's form just before we played them is WBA with one loss. Guess what? We had 563 passes - only 17 less than the Bolton game.


You are trying to act intelligent by taking an average which arrives at a figure obviously way less than the Bolton game - that way you can take out any focus on the 563 passes in the WBA which Torres was involved in. The only thing is that I see through your dumbness and shatter this to pieces.


How can anyone in his right mind persist in arguing in this manner? What exactly have you proved?

Hehehehehe. . .


How can I begin to laugh at you both? You guys have turned yourselves into clowns in an attempt to prove something.
Firstly, how dumb can you be to draw any sort of conclusion from a single event? Not anywhere in history has anyone been able to draw and sort of inference from a single event. Now for you both to harp on about that beats my imagination.


You both possess immense stupidity to take a single game and suggest that based on on stats from that game, Torres does worse with the team. You then go ahead and isolate that single statistical evidence, ignoring any other mitigating and/or enhancing factors and then totally draw an inference. If anything at all, based on this act of stupendous idiocy, I should not be having any sort of conversation with you both.

EVIDENCE
Averaged 463 succesfull passes in 6 games. WHile vs Bolton It shot up to 580.

Imagine Dayo taking the average of six events, then comparing the result with the outcome of a single event and then telling others they are stupid for not accepting. . . I am lost for words to call you. He even had the audacity to use the clause[b] "It shot up" [/b]

Dayo is making us believe that this single piece of empirical evidence carries more weight than the result/average of 6 events. You are dumb, st.upid, senseless and sending you to school has been a sheer waste of meaningful resources.


Now Dayo does not think that the following points are worth any sort of consideration.

The fact that the opposition after 6 games had copped only 3 points.
That the 3 points being the first game of the season and those 3 points against a newly promoted side "QPR".
That Bolton's run of form dates to the end of last season where they lost their last 5 games of the season.
That there is any sort of relation of Bolton's "one win in the last 7 games" to end of last season's form.




If after this post you still maintain your stance Dayo and Ibime, you both will go down as the most deluded pair of idiots on this forum.

I have got no idea how I read all that gibberish you typed. A proper football pundit would research facts before laying out sheer ignorance in public.

In the last 12 EPL games which spans over 2 sesaons, this is Bolton's form . . . . . . L L L L L L W L L L L L L

As a matter of fact, you have left out probably the most important factor to justify your empty argument. How can I even take you seriously?

Absolute crap. What's the point of it? Save for the tight integration with Amazon services it's DOA.
Why buy a device you cannot access Android market with when you can find one with access the the market and then download a Kindle app.

Ibime:
I have years of history to show we're an 85 point a season team without Torres. Which ones you dey?

I have years of history to prove what legends like Peter Osgood, Kerry Dixon and Gianfranco Zola did for Chelsea even though we never made 85 points with them. What are you on about?