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Bolton sef. .

Ahh!!!!!!!!!!!! penaltyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Is this Arsenal? this is about 90 - 10 possession %. I have neva seen Arsenal this poor.

It's so terrible even Chelsea and ManU can manage a draw and still be fine. . . I was really counting on these guys to disturb Manu for us, but it now looks as if we have to count on Aston Villa, WestHam or Blackburn.

nazzyon:
Arsenal need fulltime strikers and not those who perform during the rainy seasons and loose all strength in every other season.

The thots of the losing fan. . .

@Chacal
Did you see wenger face at half time. . ? He made Avram Grant look like Brad Pitt. .

Now I think McOmo knows it's over. . . Now I am convinced they will be 4th . .

Fabregas said everyone wants us to lose. . . welcome to the Muorinho Chelsea mate. .

@Soze

Well I do know you said after his injury. . . but he's played every match since he returned except Barnsley. . So there's no stat to that instance. . . except he's missed several games since he recovered . . . Plus he played against Spurs (FA), Spur (prem) and we didn't win. .

Maka can be offered a contract till 2015 as long as he does not reject £134,000 a week. . . I am certain that if you dig deep into the conditions of his contract he's probably agreed to a wage cut. . since he knows he's passed his prime. .and he will be way below £100,000 a week. .perhaps between £40,000 and  £80,000. He will most likely retire at 2010 and with what we see Maka do week in week out, that is very good value of experience and ability for money. . in short money well spent! The other guy is a joke.

Yes Drog is being linked with Inter . . . because JM is being linked to take over at inter. . after their dismal outing in the champions league. .


ManU . . . supposed saints of the premiership . .

umhhhhh nope!!!!

We'v not drawn so many matches this season. . and he missed about 10matches if I remember . . We'v drawn only Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Everton and Liverpool. .   

We beat Fulham, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton(FA), Wigan, Birmingham, QPR, Reading, all without him. . . Infact the matches we'v lost this season apart from Barnsley. . . he played in them. 

Now that's some stat!!!


Tomorrow's match can turn out tricky . . We need two goals to settle and save some energy for midweek Champions League. . . We have to get a good result away. A good reslut is winning away if possible. 
Therefore we must try to win the borough game with as little energy as possible. .

Cech is not fit yet . . and I heard midweek . . Lampard picked up an Injury.

@Dason

That was when Mamic and Roman were friends and he was willing ti sell Modric to him. . . a few weeks later some demons from Arsenal, Barcelona and Tottenham did something to him and he said Modric was going nowhere

I still think he'd come though. . . If we win the Champions League . . it'l
@Somze

I do understand your point of bonding, talking about players wages is quite important you know . . . I know buying a new midfielder will mean giving him more time to bond and understand. . . I am not saying do away with all the experience, i am saying do away with the experience if it's going to cost too much. . . Ballack and Lamp if he stay's will cost us over £260,000 a week in wages . . If we go down that route, then Kenyon's goal of breaking even by 2010 will be unrealized. . i am really one of those that desires us to be free of Roman by 2010. . . he's injected money. . he's going to inject more next season and the more he injects and Chelsea becomes less succesful . . the more he gets bored. . the more likely he leaves. . . which you and I know what kind of repercaution comes with that. .

So the earlier we sort cheaper alternatives to success the better. . .The quicker Chelsea becomes self-sufficient, the more likely for Roman to stay. . . . Football should be run as business . . and no opportunity for players to become rich. . Lamp did a lot for Chelsea. . but so did Beckham, Sheringham, Ole gunnar Solksjaer, for ManU and Henry, Pires and Viera for Arsenal. . . I think it's just a time when we have to make sacrifices. .

Ivanovic will surely be in the team next season. .
I asked if there are still any left sided players available in the world anymore . . the only ones I think of are Silva and Nery Castillo . . Castillo is in Mancity now. . Malouda had a good game against England midweek
I think we do need a left sided midfielder and one right sided as well. . .

Two attacking midfeilders . . One attacker if Drog leaves.
Apart from the Arsenal, everytime I see Drog play i think more and more that he wants to go. . Sheva and Pizz will go no doubt. . costing us too much. .
I also want to Di Santo, Kakuta, Sinclair and the likes given good minutes nxt season. .

@Dason

Oh! Yes we do. We do not just a striker, we need a midfielder. . .Modric is the a modern day version of the word MIDFIELDER. . .  a complete playmaker and a goal scorer as well. .

Why do we need him? We obviously do not have this type of midfielder . . . the type that takes the game by the scruff of the neck and controls it . .a play-maker and he's 22. . . Ballack used to do it . . but we all know he's old and I am one of those very few that think Lamp will not stay and should not stay. . . and before you slaughter me let me tell you why. . .

The only reason Lampard will stay at Chelsea is to be paid at least £134,000 per week . . . Actually he rejected the offer. . . Now this is my point . . tell me one club in the whole that offers a contract worth £134,000 a week to a 30yr-old. . absolutely no single club . . Lamps knows that if he leaves Chelsea he will not get more than £50,000 a week any club in the world . . he knows that.

If he knows that he won't get that else-where, why is he asking for it here? Yes! because he loves his club . . . naahh!!!! not the club !!! How dare you question Lamps love for the club I hear you say? Yes, I do . . Tell me one good reason he is asking for over a £100,000 week at 30. Because he understands that it is nearing the time to say goodbye to football and the wisest thing to do at 30 is to secure yourself financially. How do you do that to a club you claim to love? What exactly are we paying for - All the goals that have been scored or all the goals yet to be scored?  How do we pay £134,000 a week to a player that Capello does not even fancy . . .  ?

As a matter of fact I do not believe we have a player in the team that should be on over 100,000 a week. . simple reason is if that player leaves the club to say Barca or Real or Milan will they earn that? No?

Now the board I know is aware of Lamps age and playing style . . . Roman spent every penny to pay-off Jose all for the love of sexy-football. . . Roman knows those in the team that can play sexy football . . . He watches football and that is why he's been going after players like Dinho, Diego, VDV, Modric, Nasri. .

Bottom line is Lamp I think will reject a cut and the board will not want to offer more for his age. . and we'll have a stalemate. . he's got one more year on his contract. . and anything can happen . .

My opinion is he can stay . . I don't mind him staying but nothing more than 100,000 a week . . if not . . bye bye. . Let's invest the money Lamp rejected into two young stars £68,000 each a week and build a new team of winners . . . this time with players like younger Ronaldo, Iniesta and Rosicky.  Or even £45,000 a week between 3 younger players like Fabregas, Nani and Anderson.

@tkb

Aw can you say you should have won based on chances missed. . . i accept you saying you should have won based on chances cancelled but not missed . . . all the jazz wey we put for goal you think na joke. . ?

See this man eeh?


@Chacal

Giggs gave Cech brushing of his life . . . Essien was smart enough to do what a defender would have done. . . but Giggs wan take vex jam Cech and ball for inside net . . Bennet no dey gree that kain thing

@Chacal

Are you saying that Giggs goal was a goal because you are a ManU fan? That knock that Giggs gave Cech? Giggs litterally bundled Cech off the line. . . and just like wormy said give us a stat that show ManU were better than chelsea on the night. . .

Middlesborough on saturday is key. . though we beat 2-0 away, I remember it being at tough one. . . Now at the bridge . . I see us barring any GRANTISMs edging them out. . I hope Drogba's form is on. . and Anelka can score at least . . Would we see the Drognelka ? Only Grant can tell. .

Aston villa are hoping to hold down a UEFA spot so i hope they can give ManU a good game. . stealing a draw won't be impossible afterall. . .

Bolton will be hoping that ManCity does damage to Birmingham . . so that they can peep them if they manage to beat Arsenal at the reebok . . getting off the relegation zone for once. .

So it promises to be a great weekend for the top 3. . . if Villa can force ManU to a draw it'l be a great result . . with that I won't mind arsenal winning as long as we win . . as it gives them that them the urge to fight to the end . . and the show down at OT might just go in out favour . . and all we have to do is to edge ManU at the Bridge and we are on song. .

Hope it truns out this way. . . Ok watch them start to bombard me. .

@Loyika

ummmmmmmh!!!! It was Barnsley

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! This guy don reply me . . and I no no

Ok Akinlabi. . . .Let me tell you why it is valid. . . .  What you don't understand is that football has changed. . Gone were the days where a manager was given four years to win a trophy. . . even in small clubs . . you take over a club that is already bound to be relegated (although not mathematically . . but logically) you relegate the club, you leave . . simple as ABC. . now how much more bigger clubs. . . If Sir Alex steps down today and the new guy does not win anything for two years, he's gone. . if he loses to barnsley . . you will call for his head. . . You can't take a club any longer on a four-year barren spell. . the board will sack you.

Now why am I saying this . . . not only the boards have lost patience . . . the fans have as well. . . You are talking about 8 months . . . these 8 months include defeat to barnsley and subsequent knock-out of the FACup. . . losing to Spurs with total emptiness that caused fans of other clubs to say he is clueless. . loses 2 pts to Spurs when he could well have been only 3 pts clear of utd with the most bizzarre tactics ever. . . adding to the fact that he never won the big four. .  . and a home record at risk . . .  it was a tormenting 8 months mate, as opposed to what you made it seem like . . . On that day the fans thot "OH DEJAVU". . . if we lost no one would have said why were the fans singing, it would have been news with the reporters. . . Sam Allardyce can remember very well when fans told him he did not know what he was doing. . . two weeks later he was out. No time!!!


So my friend I am not telling you that if I was there I would have sung with them . . . but I do undertsand why they sang. . and that is comparable with Sir Alex's time except for the time he had to play about!!!

rikkyjen:
Is that how it is now? Its not your fault!!! If wenger had nailed Y'all's coffin at stamford bridge, you wont be talking, infact this place woulda been the Ghostown it has been in the last couple of months .

After suppourting Y'all against Assnal and rooting for Chelsea to disgrace Assnal, you now think Assnal would defeat United at OT? My friend, slow your roll, it aint possible.

We cld even draw Assnal and draw Y'all at the bridge and still be champions! Meanwhile, Your team's got a banana peel waiting for you. We all know Grant's cluelessness radiates well when Chelsea plays 'em Midtable teams!

Mr Oga . . . . so you think we beat Arsenal because you supported us umh. . ,?
This place will be a ghost town if you hadn't supported us umh?

So now that you are not supporting us you will beat us umh?
So tell me where you think . . and pls mention the match where you think Grant was clueless against mid-table teams?

Do you watch the premiership?

Oh my God . . . . Chelsea is back in contention and this place suddenly jumps to life. . . what will happen when we lead the table. . .

The best thing to happen this season is for Arsenal to beat ManU and Chelsea to beat ManU. . . I am definitely going to support Arsenal against ManU. . . and support Liverpool against Arsenal. . . I'm sure you guys know where I am coming from. .

Jose would have said that so that the vistory holds more meaning . . . . Grant was smiling at Wenger b4 the match . . he does not know what a derby is about . . . let alone rivalry. . . he should know when and when not to smile. .

He should call them names. . . . and beat them after calling them names . . . that way the media will have things to write about chelsea. . . there will be increased rivalry . . . . and the race to the top will be more intense . . rather than what it is now . . the match was only meaning ful that day. . after then it looked like we beat Bolton. .

Chacal:
@ nateevs,

Listen very carefully. . . . . MANAGERS will be judged on what they have won rather than what they WOULD have won.
Theres nothing to say Jose Mourinho could have won the title this season if he had stayed, is there?
Lets look at this examples. . . . . If Mourinho had left in 2006 summer. . . . People would be saying he would have kept on winning the title till 2010.
If Fergie had left Man Utd after winning it in 99, 2000, and 2001. . . .many heads would feel the trend will continue till eternity.

No one knows what would have happened if Jose had stayed. . . .[size=16pt]He might have won it [/size] and he might have finished 4th. . .
This is like counting a game in hand as victory. . . . we all know what happened to Arsenal's famous game in hand in December.
Managers will be judged on what they won and Jose won 2 titles fair n square. . . he deserves the credits
However, don't compare him to FERGIE who has been doing it for many years. . . . .It could be 10 titles in 16 seasons by May 2008.

Oh jeeez. . . This is the best thing you have said between 3 days ago and today about Jose. . . this is exactly what I was trying to drum into thick ManU skin. . that He could have done it. . . . I won't be part of those who say HE WILL. . . . at the same time I won't be part of those who say HE WON'T. . . .

@Wormy

Chacal has a way of trying to explode dicussions so it eventually becomes inconclusive. .

I will soon throw him out of here . . . except that he's my pal. .

@Chacal

I am talking of initial purchases and you have all of a sudden changed it to input. . . did you see where I compared SWP's input to steve bruces. . . ?

Jim Leighton . . won four scottish title with Ferguson in Aberdeen, won a cup title and a european title and you think he was not already world class to do that before coming to utd?

Now I see how you see the football of yester years. . . If a player was worth to be signed £2.3 million (because he was hyped going by your standards ) then Alex must have been a plonker to sign a player for far more than he was worth . . except he was world class. .

It has to be one of the two. .



Don't say fergie built on nothing. . . he might have had a shit team when he got there . . but he brought in quality to turn it around. . . else he would not have done it. . . and he also repeated bringing quality from time to time up till this day. .


he came from a successful Aberdeen . . so he knew what it took to achieve success . . player had to be quality to achieve quality. . Utd could have been shyte b4 fergie came in. . . but Fergie was no newbie to success. .

@4play

you are going to have to read a lot of posts to reach a conclusion about the comparism I was trying to achieve. . . You said it yourself that what could have made some people here say Jose lost the plot. . . .

So I used the Fergie thing to describe how anyone could have done what. . . . inspite of all the odds. . . In this case, inspite of all the odds Jose could have won it . . it was harder for Alex and he did it. . . So what makes us thing Jose couldn't have? Hence the comparism. .

@Loyika @Chacal

you guys are so missing the point. . . . You say something about Jose . . . especially when I know that I can prove it wrong . . should I just say "OH YES YES!!  YOU GUYS GOT IT RIGHT"

In the course of me proving it . . I am going to have to say Jose this and Jose that. . . So it's eventually going to look like I have fantasy for him . . .

When you guys talk about Jose . . you are always biased. . . now look at Chacal saying Steve Bruce was a hype because he is english . . . will not say SWP was a hype because Jose bought him . . . rather Jose was a fool to buy a hyped english player . . and Alex was a genius to do the same . .

I just don't get it. .

Chacal:
@ Akolawole,

He made few signings. . . . none of those players were WORLD CLASS!!!!

Steve bruce was repotedly signed for £800,000 in 1988
Brian Mcclair joined united for £850,000 in 1987 . . No he was not word class. .
Gary Pallister joined for £2.3million
Jim Leighton . . . . It was during his initial spell at Aberdeen where Leighton achieved his greatest success, under the management of Alex Ferguson in the early to mid 1980s. Ferguson's Aberdeen side won the Scottish Cup four times, the Scottish League Cup twice, as well as the Cup Winners' Cup in 1983 and two Scottish Premier League titles in 1984 and 1985.

This was b4 his transfer to Man Utd. . . . So i guess he was not world Class as well. .

@Chacal

Chacal:
@ Nateevs,

So u want to compare 2.3 million in 1989 to Drogba's 24 milla and Essien's 24 milla or SWP's 21 milla.
Dude, what are u smoking?
Fergie spent some money but it cannot be compared to the magnitde of the money Jose spent when he arrived in England.

i am not trying to compare what he spent to wat Jose spent. . rather I am trying to tell you not to say that he built on nothing. . . how can you say he built on nothing when history reports that he made several major signings

Chacal:
@ Akolawole,

He made few signings. . . . none of those players were WORLD CLASS!!!!

Are you telling me a player signed for £2.3million in 1989 in not world class. . . common chacal!!!!

@Loyika

Don't get it wrong . . . I was not comparing Jose's ease of finance with Fergie's . . .
I actually tried to compare Fergie with Grant. . . when Chelsea fans said he did not know what he was doing . . . I said ManU fans had said something similar to their so called god before and no one of them had the right to tell us what to say about Grant. . . Akinlabi in this case. . .

Secondly,

I compared Jose to Fergie . . . . . in the sense of delivering when all odds where stack against you. . .
I was saying even Fergie the God had his rough times. . . So what make Chacal think Jose lost the plot. . .


I am not saying Fergie had as much money as Jose . . . i am saying Fergie went through hell. . . and delivered. . . and that Jose might have had a blip before he left . . . he could still do it. . .


That's why I said Chacal did not understand the post. .

@Chacal

So where did he find £2.3million in 1989 that he bought Gary Pallister with. . . . Do you really understand what £2.3miliion in 1989 is?

Quote
Ferguson made several major signings in the 1987–88 season, including Steve Bruce, Viv Anderson, Brian McClair and Jim Leighton. The new players greatly improved the team and they finished in second place, nine points behind Liverpool.
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So are you not aware of this? Browse these guys and check out if he really had mediocre players and youth like you talk about. . . Was Eric Cantonna one of the fringe as well from Leeds United?

I do accept that ManU became rich from Football. . . . but don't tell me Alex did not have major Signings. .

Chacal:
@ nateevs,

I read your epistle and couldn't stop laughing.

Do u really want to compare Fergie's tenure to Jose Mourinho?
Pre-Ferguson's arrival. . . . . Man Utd was like Derby County?Sunderlands. . . .
The club had no money, players were so indisciplined and he had nuthing to build on. . . . .

Mourinho came to a club that reached the S/finals of UCL, came 2nd in the league with a Billionaire owner.
He inherited world class players, the stage was set for him to perform.
The whole environment was conducive for Jose Mourinho so he had no excuse not to perform.

Spot the difference, mate??

Join Chelsea?
I will rather support Sunderland . . . . .

Chelsea is a small club, small fan base and even small stadium.
Never played in any European final. . . won just 2 league titles in 53 years.
Need i say more?

Man Utd till i dizza-------------------QUTOE FROM CHACAL  .   

The two above quotes were from you . . . the first you made today and the other you made yesterday . . . . So please explain were you stand Chacal. . . .

So Muorinho took a small club, small fan base and even small stadium to back to back League championship . . . . or he took a big club with world class players and the stage set to back to back League championship. . .
it looks to me that you are saying what you want when you want. . .

So my epistle really made you laugh umh?







Well said. . . 
In the country of the blind, one-eyed man becomes an EMPEROR!!!!!!!!!
Any idiot capable of winning the league title at Chelsea will always be regarded as god. . . Dont blame Akola and likes for worshipping Jose Mourinho-------------QOUTE FROM CHACAL .

I guess this also applies to Sir Alex . . . because it took him 7 seven seasons to win it. . . .
According to you ManU used to be like derby . . . which means they were in the country of the blind . . . with unfit players and bad team spirit. . So he the one-eyed man eventually led ManU . . the blind to League glory and now you all worship him abi?

Now you are the one making me laugh. . .

Guess what I think you did not undersatnd my post . . So i am going to have to post it again

This thread has suddenly jumped to life. . .
even Akinlabi said he abandoned the thread because he thot we were not in contention . . na wa oooo

@Akinlabi. .

How can you tell that Roman did Jose a favour. . ?
What makes you think he would not have won the league this year, the Carling cup, the FaCup or even the Champions league. . ?
What makes you think he could not go on a 3-year run of League dominance . . ?

Even Chacal thinks Jose was losing it. . . how can you all tell ?



How do you explain the fact that the most succesful manger in the english League, Sir Alex, spent the first 6 seasons perhaps seven without much success. .? He did not win the league until 92-93 season since his appointment in 1986. . . that's seven consecutive season without League success. . . his very first 4 seasons were barren. . . .

Akinlabi was talking about disgarceful attitude of Chelsea fans saying "you don't know what you are doing". . . In 1989, 3 season after Sir Alex was employed and still no success a banner was displayed at Old Trafford and it read [size=16pt]"Three years of excuses and it's still crap. Ta ra Fergie." [/size] and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.

The same guys who said nothing good can come out of Sir Alex are the same singing his praise now . . calling him the best thing that ever happened to the midlands. . Now these supporters look at smaller clubs and call their fans "glory hunters". . .

How dare they come and tell us what to say to our non-performing manager when they passed thru the same phase. . . unless of course they don't even know their history. . . Alex was spat at. . condemned and thot of as nothing good . . . . he was drawn against Nottingham Forest for an away game in the 3rd round of the FACup in 1990. . Forest were one of the most feared clubs in england . . . it was expected that Fergie will lose and he will be sacked . . but he edged them out with a 1-0 victory. . and this match went down in history as the match that saved Sir Alex's OT career. .

Sir Alex has given a lot of UTD fans something very strong to believe in . . but he did not achieve that easily . . . now how do you expect me to accept from someone who said 20 year ago to sack Ferguson that Muorinho had lost the plot. . . ? The same guys that carried banners reading "sack Fergie" are now the same people telling us how fans should behave, what they should and shouldn't say and which coach has and hasn't lost the plot. . . .

It seems you guys now know who wins and loses the plots. . . because of a run of a few bad games. .
Now tell me if you knew in 1991 that he would bring all the success he eventually brought . .


Look at Fergie's first 4 seasons and tell me how many players he signed before he could win anything tangible. . Ask an economist to value that amount in today's currency. . . Sir Alex signed Gary Pallister from Middlesborough in 1989 for a record transfer fee of £2.3 million pounds. . now value that for today. . . even with all the signings he still finished 13th in the league in that season. . . It's recorded in history that he made many major signings. . . and still did not have any success to show for it. . .

Sir Alex's appointment to Manu has some similarity to JM's in that he had european success in Aberdeen and then he was brought in to replicate the success. . but he stumbled and stumbled and stumbled and stumbled . .Alex passed thru the same phase as many coaches . . failing to suceed. . and now he is one of the celebrated masters of the game. . . . Know your history guys before you tell us what is not possible . . .

So don't tell me Muorinho lost the plot. . don't tell me he could not do it again . . . don't tell me Roman saved his faced by retiring him when the ovation was loudest . . . don't tell me he could not have continued the success. . . don't tell me nothing . . don't tell me nothing . . don't tell me nothing!!!!

@Chacal

Aw do you know JM did not know he was going to be a miss? He was 30 when he signed. . . i almost got into a fight when he was signed with a friend when I was telling him sheva will be the flop of the century. .

1. How many italian based player come to the premiership and shine
2. How many players come at 30 to the premiership and make it. . .

i knew this you think JM did not?

You will end up not being right by just taking player and calling him a miss. . .

Going by your standards you currently have . . . . Pique, Oshea, Carrick, Saha and Park, Darren fletcher, as fringe players . . they are all misses. . if belletti and ferreira are misses. . .



Last season

Smith, Heaton, Eagles, Dong, Park, Richardson, Heinze. . .