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GEJ should reshuffle his security apparatus and fill as many positions as possible with his own people whose loyalty he can at least be sure of, otherwise he will die like a chicken like Ironsi. That is how we roll in Nigeria.

I no be Ijaw ohhh. I be omo Ibo.

Hahahaha! But Beaf we know this is by and large part of the general plot. Why are you surprised?

Eko Ile:
DUmb a//s/s, you are just a clown, it's like any issue afflicting your own people is never a big deal so you always ignore it to latch on to other people. It's the same moronic and i.diotic routine. Face your own people and their problems.

Everlasting mo/ro/n. Why are the Yorubas not leaving the North en masse? You want to taunt the Igbo and hope nobody calls you out?

Only deluded fools like you claim BH activities only affect the Igbos. Keep deluding yourself.

We are not even at war yet and it is already biting in the North such that their beggars are leaving for Ghana. Northern leaders should do well to call BH to order otherwise they will lose more than others in the end.

Beaf:
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Nchara, don't mind that bitter mug. I have never seen such a hate filled and petty individual, who would stretch stories and lie at the drop of a hat.

We know them of course. When Fasola increased fees and created all sorts of taxes that affect the masses, what did they say? Why did they not bring down that government. Buncha hypocrites, paid hacks.

Gbawe:
Is that how it works? You ask a question pretending as if you want earnest discourse;
You then gain a response attempting to maintain a sincere rapport we can use for everyone to learn from. You then totally ignore the direct response to your own question only to write things that reveal your biased and hateful mind was not really interested in hearing the response of those you have decided never to accomodate because of your primordial and ethnic clannishness. I won't bother with pathetic idiots like you in future. You cannot even be bothered to keep up a converstation that you can learn from and I , and the entire forum, can learn from also. What does that show about people like you and the innate hatred and intolerance of others that totally controls you to the extent , even when solutions are being sought, you are more interested in clannishness and stereotyping that can never foster progress.

I know you. You do not care about the opinions of others who are not of ACN. Why should I bother about you and your hediotic opinions that your spew all over the damn place? If you say I hate ACN then I say you also hate GEJ and PDP and anything none SW. That is fair game, I suppose.

[quote author=haka_nai link=topic=841892.msg9922914#msg9922914 date=1326063671]^^^ For me i suggest that its likely true or possible!!!!I mean someone like you seem to have reasons to justify it, even before the action!!![/quote]How can I be justifying what is clearly a rumor? I ask you a simple question and you are deviating from it with such senseless response?
If by tomorrow nothing of such happens in the SE, SS and SW, what can we do to you?

We are not interested in killing you. The only thing is that since you have asked us to leave your place, it makes sense that you too must leave our place. Still, I am yet to read any Igbo group asking you to leave. But I think you should reciprocate what you said for us to leave your region by leaving the South too, to create some space for those you dislocated from the North.

odumchi:
What's the difference between Igbo cows and Hausa cows?

Igbo cows are thicker and shorter with shorter horns and almost no hump. They are tse-tse fly resistant
Hausa/fulani cows are taller with taller horns and prominent humps but tse-tse fly susceptible.
Tse-tse fly is the vector for the deadly trypanosomiasis disease

OP
You are a Muslim northerner. What do you think about the news (unconfirmed, could be true or false, until tomorrow) considering that your people have killed 100s of southerners for no fault of the victim's?

bump

You see, Achebe is on the same page with me on the timing. Now I confirm that am smart

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-841793.0.html

Obiagu1:
You got it wrong. He meant that both sides during the war knew who their enemy was and who they should fight unlike boko haram, you can't really say because they neither represent Northern Muslims nor any region and you don't even know who constitute boko haram.

I got nothing wrong. Was only asking a question about the president's family during that time.

BlackPikiN:
I think the GEJ's Otueke was pro Biafra.(or divided)

That was exactly why I wondered about his statement on the enemy. Thanks.

homerac7:
@ OP,

It must hav been a very long time before advent of bicycles. People trekked in those days distances u can hardly believed. For example, haven been born in a semi urban core SW community, I learnt from old men and women who told of their parents trekking to Mecca to perform hajj. If u extrapolate backwards,dt gives u a time less than 200 years ago i.e 1800s

I don't knw if u as an Igbo man knew abt Onyeama N'eke.( u can Google d name). He was d most influential Igbo chief/ruler in his period wt his Influence extending from boundaries wt Aros in d south to dt of Tivs in d north. Actually, hes d first Igbo man to own a car.

He was a friend and in-law to my great grandfather and its on record dt he ushered Islam into Igboland and catholicism into Enugu/Ebonyi axis when he expelled d anglicans (cms) who actually were d earliest missionaries. Had to explain long so dt u will understand dt my perspective is formed from undiluted generational knowledge.

There was limitations to extent Ndigbo moved to Northward and westward due to existing powerful states dt existed wt little or no filial relationship wt them. Risk of going into such territories was abduction for ritual, summary execution on suspicions of espionage, enslavement, e.t.c. Remember dt a lot of those states had laws protecting their freeborn citizens  being used for such purposes.

Tiv land served as buffer towards d north where Kwararafa kingdom and its influence projected towards enemy hausa and kanuri states. So Ndigbo mostly stayed behind this buffer.

Benin kingdom was d buffer to d west. It shouldn't also b lost on us dt Ndigbos westward of Niger were under colony of Bini state. So movement beyond bini land is at risk of being preyed upon in one of many warring states beyond it.

Nevertheless, Ndigbo migrated extensively to and fro eastward throughout what's present day southern Cameroon, Congo-Brazzaville, Equatorial Guinea down to present day Namibia due to filial relationship wt extended Igbo groups and igboid tribes from time immemorial. Now, that gives dt d true extent of ani-igbo (ala igbo) is more eastward rather beyond d aforementioned buffer states.

Although, there was inward movement of Nupe/Tapa, Gobir and hausa traders through ds buffer zones for trade purposes. They brought mainly horses and food in exchange for palm oil, salt and other Items. They also consulted as marabouts (actually, d first islamization was by marabouts )But this movement was more by d northerners. Meanwhile, there was active inter migration eastwards where tribal closeness was greater.

I will leave u a clue. What's d acceptance level btw efi Igbo (Igbo native cattle: ndama ) and efi awusa (hausa cattle: fulani breed, bororo,) in Igbo tradition?

Thanks. Is it the same Onyeama that was the Igwe of a popular community in Enugu?http://www.kwenu.com/profile/onyeama/legacies_legend.htm
Are you Yoruba? If so, how and at what time did he meet your great grandfather? Interesting?

Despite the buffer provided by the Bini kingdom, how and when did the first Igbos reach Yorubaland? From contributions from Face and Tpia, it is apparent that early Igbos moved to the North (and vice versa) via the River Niger and its tributaries before the white men came with bicycles and then cars/buses and then trains.

Traditionally, Igbos value the efi Igbo but due to its cost and low availability (Igbos need to up their enterprise in animal production) relative to hausa/fulani type, efi awusa is acceptable in most traditional ceremonies. When my dad died several cows were killed during the burial ceremonies and they were all efi awusa. May be other Igbos here can contribute on that aspect too.

I am happy to see a separation so imminent.
I am sad at the loss of lives of inncocent people from both sides.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=841814.msg9922437#msg9922437 date=1326058062]Guy, why are you soooo confused? Is it the crack?
1. We are talking about those folks on top that 911.whom are Hausas(not Yorubas)

2. We are not talking about YORUBAS here, so quit dragging us into this.

3. Am trying to educate your ignorants folks about the reasons behind why the Hausas hardly settles in a foriegn land which is also Logic 101.

. . .so, take your rants, elsewhere and intrested in your circus.[/quote]How is the East hostile? If so, how is it hostile to hausa and not to Yorubas (many of whom own houses all over the place)?
It concerns the Yoruba because you and Eko Ile, Yorubas, are here taunting the Igbos and you say it does not concern you? Are you for real? How daft can you be?

Beaf:

In the absence of people like you, the ACN media machine on NL would have run GEJ''s govt to the gutters on this forum. Keep up the good job of countering them. Until they start calling the excesses of fasola and Tinubu to question, I consider them all as hypocrites and wasteful attention seekers.

Politically speaking, I am an independent person but I support GEJ's govt and asked my people at home to vote for him. I would also have voted him were I in a position to do so. He is not the best Nigeria can offer, but he was the best among his competitors for the position. He needs time to clear the mess that others before him have made and to make his own mess that others will clear in the future. That is how it goes even in the most developed of nations. He should HOWEVER ensure that the fuel subsidy is utilized for the purposes it is meant.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=841814.msg9922291#msg9922291 date=1326056848]Keep on exposing your daftness for all. What do you expect from those folks? To start buying properties and furnitures in foriegn land?. Dont be silly, only a lunatic would go to hostile region and start buying landed properties, knowing that anything can happen and at any time, Cant you see how easy for them to escape? Without any burden properties? All money sent home and time vernish, QED

They are smart folks. . .they basically, do business and send money back home and, thats how it should be. They freed themselves from the spirit of abandoned properties.

You guys profess Biafra and you are qucik to start buying properties in another mans land. How daft!

Could it that you really enjoyed the last abandoned property you left? Kai! See logic.


"Those who can not remember their past, are to be condemn to repeat it" [/quote]Dude, you are a bloody hypocrite or an ignoramus. There are 1000s of Yorubas owning landed property all over non-Yoruba Nigeria. What do you say to that?

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=841801.msg9922213#msg9922213 date=1326055936]I never got that info from him regrettably. I suspect river niger would have played a part in migration from onitsha to bida and then beyond.[/quote]So sad. Is it too late now to do so?

Abagworo:
Igbos are naturally adventurous, fortune seeking people. They can be regarded as semi-nomadic. Why the history of Igbo migrations is dying down is because of the civil war. We lost a lot of people that could have written the history and are faced with self denial in some sensitive Igbo migratory roots like Ika and Ikwerre. If you study the history of most Delta Igbo communities, you will find out that Igbos were already a migrating ethnicity more than 800 years ago.


The Rivers State migration might be because of the slave route of Arochukwu to Igwenga, Brass and Bonny but that of Delta is for agriculture,land and greener pastures. It is even said that Igbos were in the Benin army at the height of Benin empire and an Igbo man was a mercenary fighter at Owo in Ondo State.

No doubt, the civil war caused a lot of historical setbacks, while shaping our history to  a different direction. The bolded is very informative too. I am just miffed that they are all oral history, no documentation anywhere. Thanks.

FACE:
Don't under estimate the importance of River Niger back in the days. Royal Niger company were already sailing up and down the Niger via pontoons. The Niger connects many rivers one way or the other.

Sailing on the Niger would be the easiest route for Zik's parents. Fulani herdsmen still walk from far north to the south so I am sure other people also walked great distances to ply their trades, with some of them eventually settling in far away lands.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=841801.msg9922203#msg9922203 date=1326055838]^^that would also explain the presence of igbos in niger state.

we already know there was cultural exchange between enugu and ilorin in the 19th century.

in addition, large scale migration to the north of igboland, could have also gained momentum in that same century.

not saying it wasnt there before though. There are few records to go by.[/quote]Yes, now we are arriving at something
Many of the Igbos born in the North in those days (Zik, Ojukwu, Cyprian Ekwensi, etc) were all born in Zungeru, Niger State. Their parents must have moved with home-made canoes along the River Niger which goes through Niger State. Good insights, Face and Tpia.

It follows then too that before the colonialists came, Igbos and the North must have been trading via River Niger. So that leaves the Igbo-Yoruba angle. It is a big shame that our immediate parents who were stiil alive when the white men came with pen and paper ( ) did not document some of these histories.

Eko Ile:
Smart folks, unlike the longer throat money hungry ibo folks wey won die on top other people's goal post.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=841814.msg9921915#msg9921915 date=1326052439]Dont mind the OP. Until they are caught up in another ugly mess or partying in no go areas deep down north.

Na only mumu no go run for him life.[/quote]But we just read from Frederick Faseun that Yorubas in the North are not returning enmass yet? Why do you guys always not concern yourselves with yours?
And to allay your ignorance, Igbos are leaving the North en mase too. The difference is that we do not leave in the backs of cattle trailers but in more dignifying ac-ed buses

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=841801.msg9922119#msg9922119 date=1326054751]According to my late grandfather, my great-grandfather though originally from the Aro Confederacy, was born in the 1870s in present day Plateau state but migrated to Kano and was instrumental in the process leading to the founding and camping of southerners (mostly Igbos) in Sabon Gari in sometime in 1910 -1912.

There were many Igbos in Kano by the 1885s - early 1900s.[/quote]How did your great grand father's parents move to Plateau before 1870? Do you know?

As a little child, Mallam who was coming with his parents to transact business in Onitsha and later travelled back to Kano had after six years of the journey settled down in Onitsha and had since continued to live in the town.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-776050.0.html


Although he did not state the time his parents began coming to Igboland for trading, I guess it is within the railway era. How was it before the railways?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=841801.msg9922073#msg9922073 date=1326054267]^^you too dey find something sha.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-776050.0.html

but 80 years would mean he went there in 1932.

not too long ago, given the context.[/quote]Thanks. the bolded is true.

Katsumoto:
I agree with you in not wanting that kind of life, however, each being will assess risks differently and is at liberty to choose the kind of life he/she wants. Do not forget that there are those who do not have a choice and are mandated to live in hostile areas for at least a year. I am referring in particular to corpers who will not be able to secure employment without completing their service.

Talking about choices, please read the link in my revised post above yours. The link is here too https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-841422.0.html

Katsumoto:
You appear to be missing the point. A man who decides, out of not having other choices, to remain in the North should have the right and ability to at least defend himself. Not only is bearing arms a deterrent against would be attackers, bearing arms also gives you the opportunity to go down fighting, if you are going to die, instead of being killed like game.

No, am not missing the point. Yes they can bear arms to try to defend themselves. Going down with a fight and not going down at all which is better? Really, what is the point of living such an existence in the first place where you have to watch your back all the time? Would you prefer that kind of existence? I would not.

It is not exactly true that those people have no other choices. They simply are ignorant of other choices available to them, are stubborn to death, or something else I do not know. Read here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-841422.0.html

I read on this site where an hausa man described his early sojourn to Onitsha. The man claimed to have lived in Onitsha for 80 years. Can anyone get that thread.

nwabobo:
The Igbo man being thirsty said to the hausa man;  "nyem mmiri" which means give me water and the hausa man thought he said "nyamiri". That's when the Hausas started uding the term  Nyamiri to describe Igbos.

Hillarious. But seriously,

Nchara:
I agree that trade must have playe a pivotal role in the migration of the Nigerian peoples But how come there is no documentation of trade between Igbo and the Yoruba and between Igbo and the North before colonialism? It was clear that Igbos were trading with their neighbours due to proximity and some similarities in language, especially the ibibios and annangs. We need to revisit these things and begin to document them before it is too late. That way, we can solve some of the problems besetting us currently. It looks like our parents lived more peaceably/peacefully amongst themselves than we are doing now.

Sure. But there was a time when there were no bicycles. Igbos, Yoruba and other peoples of present day Nigeria did not have the technology to make bicycles at some point. I believe the colonialists brought bicycles with them before they brought in cars, etc. So do you mean migration of Igbos to the distant parts (N and SW) came only after the bicycles?

And yes, again, Igbos traded with Ibiobios and Annangs and Cross River peoples using canoes. There are clear water way connections (Kwa Ibo, rive Imo river, Cross river, etc) between these peoples

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=841801.msg9921954#msg9921954 date=1326052789]Before the slave trade, Igboland obviously had more people. And to add to that, we were still practicing our cultures which polygamy was a norm. Our living conditions were pretty good it seems too. Lets assume that what they say today is true, "Igbo land is small that is why Igbos travel out of there land because of population pressure", then being that before slavery or colonialism there were more Igbos in Igboland they had to have been traveling and settling in far places possibly in the core north or far north(adamawa,plateau) and southwest as well. But the thing is, they were not under the name of IGBO. If this isn't the case then the claim of "Igboland is too small, etc,etc" is a huge lie,which I tend to believe regardless of anything because I've lived there, because after colonialism and slavery, there were less Igbos then before. This may leave one to thing that the real reason Igbos have been traveling out was not really due to population pressure but new avenues opportunities and easier ways for more Igbos to get there.[/quote]Yes, I also do not believe that initial migration out of Igboland is due to land mass problem. Igbos already began migrating when population was not a problem.