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Onlytruth: ndu_chucks threatened it. I am only showing him his blind spots.

You are more foolish that I thought. I never threatened war or anything else, but simply pointed out some potential consequences of the actions of your foolish leaders.


@Ejiné, go and seek attention elsewhere, you will not get any from me today. olodo

NorthSharp: Sir, I am kind of disappointed with part in bold; I thought you are too smart and, more importantly, too responsible and patriotic, to have resorted to this kind of petty ethnic baiting!

I am afraid, the part in red in enough to convince all that you deliberately set out to throw a bait to the usual ethnic bigots on this forum (only for you to relax back and enjoy your Sunday evening as the ethnic/regional fight begins!).

Haba, you should have simply gone to the gym/cinema/football match, or for a walk, if you were that bored, instead of starting an ethnic 'war' on NL!

You seem to have a problem with this statement:

It only takes 5 air strikes on key facilities in PH and Warri, 4 air strikes on the seaports, without any ground troops to render all of Southern Nigeria completely economically unstable and set back 60 years. Clark and his group should take note of where the Nigerian Airforce bases and our Jet fighters are located, while noting who the proven pilots of these planes are. A word is enough for the wise.

Let me put it in the right context and hopefully convince you that the intention was not to start an ethnic war. The fist sentence in the post "Recently, a leader of the Arewa Elders Forum, Prof. Ango Abdulahi, said the North was prepared to go alone if the nation breaks up, adding that the North would not, however, champion the disintegration of the country. ", highlights Abdulahi's stance that the North would not champion disintegration of the country.

I then described Edwin Clark's actions which I believe could lead to further breakdown of law and order and ultimately, but God forbid, war. I was simply pointing out the potential/immediate consequences of war for those who are calling for disintegration without thinking it through.

This is the best I can do to explaining that the statement was not meant to be a bait. You are free to accept or reject my explanation - I suspect you'll find out soon enough that I try to think outside the box most times, and do not pander to the tribalists and bigots on NL. Cheers.

Onlytruth: hehehe!
Let me see how ndu_chucks- a typical CORNERED mass murder advocate- would advance his argument without threats of force!
Well, my response is already well presented by my Igbo brothers here. So, I would just cut and paste it again!

Onlytruth lies, why do you feel so superior to your Igbo brethren here that you are compelled to explain what they wrote, as if to say that they are intellectually inferior to you. I suppose its due to the pathological Ego based ailment, prevalent in your neck of the woods.

Every one of your followers, including the normally talkative ones like Sam_Ikenna (he is probably a pastor), have avoided the point I've made concerning Edwin Clark. Because the way you are being used by Clark and GEJ is frankly, shameful, I understand your wish to avoid the topic. Dede1 would have confronted the issue head on, albeit, after calling the country a cesspit. That Igbo boy would never shy away from constructively criticizing Clark or any one else unlike the peon, Onlytruth.

The political naivity of the SE leaders never ceases to amaze me. Onlytruth, mgbo piafuka gi isi. Onye ara.

^^^^ Ah Ah, which one is Adeleke again. oro ara oko Beaf yi ti su mi

naijaking1: This is your own words:

"Edwin Clark and his group along with GEJ, broke this agreement, causing reactions which include violent Boko Haram activities. When the violence started, the same group advised GEJ not to decisively deal with BH, and the result is that they created the Boko Haram monster of today."

Unless, you attended Goverment Comprehensive Night school way dey for Mammy market besides the mama-put place by the army barrack, there is no way you can misunderstand the above to mean that BK was created by Clark and his group.
Thanks for trying to confuse the non-suspecting as usual. One love, aboki na!

Cut it out, while you are ahead!!! You of all people know that BH has been in existence before 2010 but was not as violent as they became after the Clark group encouraged GEJ to break the so-called gentleman's agreement. I expect the interpretation you gave what I wrote, from dummies like Onlytruth and fully understand that you are simply trying to avoid confronting the Igbo problem I raised, by your comments.

BTW, How is Madam You know who, of the banking industry fame, enjoying her retirement?

[quote author=~Bluetooth]Why blame the proesters when our generalissmo president doesnt believe in democracy but would rather do everything within his power to silence oppositions both ONLINE and on the street.[/quote]I don't follow you. I have not blamed any protester, all I am saying is that the organizers of the last protest disappointed me and were probably paid off to thwart protests. I'm ready to take part in a protest in support of those who control the tanks! I a'int dying for thieves who are chilling out in Dubai as we type. shikena.

I wouldn't be joining this SNG protest. The organizers of the last protest had the opportunity to succeed but suspended called off the protests just when it started to have a real impact. The were confronted with tanks in Lagos when the protests resumed.

shey na de leaders una want make we follow go protest be dis, ehn? I will not go and confront tanks while the looters are chilling out in Dubai, USA, UK, Carribeans, or at some other exotic locations. I will protest only in support of leaders who control the tanks (even a military leader), as long as they give me their word that the current thieves will be evaporated.

doctokwus: Funny,y wud any reasonable person expect clerk to root for anybody else dan an ijaw,in d original choice of a vp/president frm d south,is he not an ijaw?Where Clark has erred is in not reminding& helping Jonathan to kp to d gentleman agreement he made,under no duress,to stick to one term of 4yrs.I tink it was in his scheme to stick 2 d "one term" dat GEJ immediately mooted d idea of a single 7yr tenure immediately he won,but wen he saw d whirpool of opposition to d idea,him& his sycophants are now distancing themselves frm him ever makin d pledge,unfortunate.

As for d igbos,d present crop of elites& politicians amongts dem are probably d most selfish& greedy dis nation has ever seen;dey wud rather support d devil himself dan selflessly support d ascension of anoda ibo man 2 d presidency

^^^^ A sensible post devoid of tribalism. The bolded above is the bane of current day Ndigbo. Unfortunately, the electorate prefers to avoid discussions such as the one started in this thread, which could expose these politicians, to avoid being critical of their tribesmen.

I can understand why posters like PointB would prefer to change the subject and Sam_Ikenna, who is usually an epistle writer, would reduce his post to a one-liner - their condition is pitiable and frankly shameful. I venture to guess that the SE governors will rig 99% of the votes for PDP once again.

@Naijaking, I see you are still a Maradonna wannabe. Nwanne m continue dribbling yourself, I said Clark cause escalation of BH violence, not that SS created Boko Haram. You have out done yourself here.

afam4eva: It's no news that Edwin Clarke is an Igbo hater. Even if he wanted a south-south president, why must it be an Ijaw man? Why not an Ikwerre, Asaba, Ibibio, or edo man?

Edwin Clark and his group will take over PDP BOT soon. Ndigbo must re-examine their strategies.

Brixtonyute: I smell divide and conquer from the northerners. Silly post, and bigoted poster.

This is the classic response from brainless people who think a single NL poster can divide a whole region. SMH

Ndata: Poster you are living in a fool's paradise.You are talking about air strikes,may i ask you who the commander in chief of the armed forces is?And who will authorize such strikes?Except you are referring to a war situation but if not the Northern pilots can not just hop on fighter jets and go on a bombing spree.It doesnt work like that.;

You missed the point, such air strikes could not take place when there is peace, olodo.

Recently, a leader of the Arewa Elders Forum, Prof. Ango Abdulahi, said the North was prepared to go alone if the nation breaks up, adding that the North would not, however, champion the disintegration of the country.

Most NL bigots ignored the bolded text in Abdulahi’s statement and, in an exercise of intellectual dishonesty, inferred that Abdulahi’s statement meant the North was calling for the disintegration of Nigeria.

The only group who may appear to be championing the disintegration of Nigeria by their actions, is the faction of the PDP led by Edwin Clark and poised to take control of the PDP BOT after Obasanjo’s resignation. This same group has GEJ’s ears and have discouraged GEJ from dealing a death blow on Boko Haram, when the opportunity existed, and allowed BH to become a major menace and threat to the country.

Last year, the mentioned Arewa Elders Forum leader, Prof. Ango Abdulahi responded to the question:

What is your opinion on Edwin Clark and others who have been clamoring for Jonathan to vie in 2011?

This is why I wrote him a letter to remind him. I wrote him a letter personally on why he should tread with caution. We visited Warri a number of times. We had several meetings with the South-South people–mainly Ijaws–in Abuja, and that is how[b] we agreed that they will support a northern presidential aspiration. But they will also want a South-southerner to be the vice-president, specifically, in the words of Edwin Clark, an ‘Ijaw man’. There are several tribes in South-South but he insisted on an Ijaw man. It worked out in the end. [/b]I Hope Clark will remember all these. He is not guiding Jonathan along the path of this agreement or understanding that it would get to them, after the North would have run its eight years. And if things work out the way we plan, the South-South will take its turn in 2015. And by that time it is the vice-president from that zone that will perhaps, depending on how he performs, emerge as the president. That was our agreement. But now, they want to disown that agreement and still want the North to support Jonathan to continue as president. Something must be wrong with the way they think.

Edwin Clark and his group along with GEJ, broke this agreement, causing reactions which include violent Boko Haram activities. When the violence started, the same group advised GEJ not to decisively deal with BH, and the result is that they created the Boko Haram monster of today.

Edwin clark and his group had the opportunity to support Soludo and other more qualified South Easterners for VP , but instead, insisted on an Ijaw, thus GEJ became the vice president. Soludo or some other Igbo man could have become Yar’Adua’s VP and the President of Nigeria after Yar’Adua’s death.

This same Edwin Clark is poised to take over control of the PDP machine and is once again encouraging GEJ to break his promise of running for only a single term.

I ask, what have the Igbos benefited from GEJ’s presidency so far besides being used? I caution posters, particularly those of Igbo extraction to answer the question with the understanding the question was asked without any ulterior motive.

On another note, I believe that a peaceful disintegration of Nigeria is impossible and Clark and his group should be very careful. It only takes 5 air strikes on key facilities in PH and Warri, 4 air strikes on the seaports, without any ground troops to render all of Southern Nigeria completely economically unstable and set back 60 years. Clark and his group should take note of where the Nigerian Airforce bases and our Jet fighters are located, while noting who the proven pilots of these planes are. A word is enough for the wise.

I fully expect bigots to ignore Clark and focus on my comments on air strikes, but I’m sure some reasonable folks will do otherwise.

[quote author=Kilode?!]Ko ri be actually. I wanted Alhaji Chukwuma ndu_chucks to ask nicely ni.

I wasn't kidding, the document I referred to is not a secret document at all. well at least as far as I know, I'm surprised no one has posted it yet, maybe I'll have to go dig it out and post afterall. It's floating around online.[/quote]There is a lot of talk about this document. Recently, Aregbesola claimed that ACN has adopted this document thus members of other parties, particularly, PDP, who have not adopted it are not "Omoluwabi".

Since no one could produce the document, PDP jumped on Aregbesola and accused him of planning to secede, Islamize Sw etc. There is something secretive about this document and it stinks.

I suspect it may contain the blueprint for some acts which may actually be illegal or treasonous. The DAWN document, as it is named, which was launched on the 103 birthday of the first premier of the Western Region, Obafemi Awolowo, is said to be a cultural and socio-economic blueprint as well as a conscious effort to develop a developmental agenda for the old Western Region in the post Obafemi Awolowo era.

I found some information on the document, but no one can produce it. I ask again, whats the great secret about the document. Why did non ACN governors not endorse this document enabling Aregbesola to imply that they are not Omoluwabi?

Kilode?! please I'm asking nicely, where da fork is the document?

[quote author=Kilode?!]Negro_ntns,

There's a document out there on SW development with a major focus on integration to help effectively manage resources. It's great on paper. That is a plan. I now expect implementation. If it cannot be fully implemented they can amend it and push forward with whatever they can get consensus on.[/quote]Hmmm, Aregbesola has talked about these items as part of the plan for regional integration of the SW

(1)He is calling for "Regional Integration" where all of the south west act as a single political and economic entity.

(2)He wants all state governments in the SW to adopt his plan for regional integration and establish Ministries for Regional Integration.

(3)In this new integrated SW, Lagos will be the economic nerve center.

This plan is apparently itemized in his so-called green book, a document which some say is patterned after Ghaddafi's Green Book.

Why is this document a secret document? If someone has the document, lets have a link to it. What kind of leaders will have a grand plan that is a secret to its constituents? SMH

The fact that this document is a 'secret' enables critics to claim that it is part of a plan to Islamize the SW since a majority of the SW governors including Tinubu are muslims.

I have to admit that, in the short time that GEJ has been president, he has taken some very impressive steps towards making our country better. Though I believe that he contributed to the Boko Haram menace and the security threat posed by BH, GEJ has shown that he may be inching towards being one of the best Presidents we’ve had in the past few years (given the sorry performance of past Presidents, this should be easy to achieve)

For me, GEJ scored major points when he began the construction of 400 Almajiri schools across the country. He’ll score a hat trick if he promotes legislation and forces NASS to pass same, which would mandate primary school education throughout the country. Parents who do not comply should face imprisonment and/or heavy fines.

Another area which has been neglected by previous Presidents is Agriculture. OBJ, who saw the enormous profit potential of that area, shamefully built the great Ota farm for his personal gains, instead of promoting such across the country.
I lamented in a thread a few days ago that

We have a large cotton belt but import textiles from China (thus keeping their subsidized factories open and jobs in china).

We are the world's number one producer of cassava but import cassava starch from Europe.

We have a huge tomato belt in Kadawa, Jigawa and Chad Basin but are the world's largest importer of tomato paste - from China and Italy.

We can produce rice but we import rice from Thailand and India-most of it from grain reserves that have been in stock for over 5 years.

and I asked whether people know of any plans GEJ has to address the issues. Responses varied from, “you cannot achieve any manufacturing wins without constant power” to “get lost you are ignorant” in addition to others which include “Constant power will help, but its unavailability should not hold us back”.

Well it turns out that GEJ and his team along with some state governments are already implementing plans to address some of the concerns I raised.

Nasarawa state has just pledged to support a $90 million investment projected to be Africa’s largest rice farm established by Olam Nigeria Limited. The farm will cover 10,000 hectares of fully irrigated commercial farm in Rukubi-Ondorie area of Doma in Nasarawa State. More Details Here

The question then becomes, how is this possible, in Nigeria where we do not have constant power supply and how will the resulting processing plants survive? The answer to this question is my second reason for giving credit to GEJ and his administration.

To support this new commercial farm, the federal government has pledged to resuscitate Abandoned Dams including the Doma dam which will support the said rice farm and others.

2000 hectares of land had been developed for sprinkler irrigation at Doma, and the funds for the purchase of pumps, generator and pipes had stalled the completion work on the irrigation project. GEJ has now pledged funding of the dam and many other dams across the country. See Report On President’s Pledge Here

As far as the doma dam is concerned, a consultant has already been chosen to understudy the electricity generation capacity of the dam and would soon be on site to commence work

For the above activities, I say, Thank you sir, Ndu_Chucks wishes you success in the implementation of these activities.

If these people are communicating with Boko Haram leaders, how come the government cannot find the BH leaders and arrest them? Ndu_Chuck asks.


Igbos should forget 2015 presidency – Nwabueze

Excerps


I see very little chance of an Igbo man emerging as president in 2015. I cannot see it in the current system.

The fourth step is that we will march to Abuja to present the booklet and the bill to the presidency and the National Assembly. If they fail within the prescribed time to convene the National Conference, the people of Nigeria will convene it.

If they refuse and you go ahead with the national conference, will the bombs and activities of the Boko Haram come to an end?

Boko Haram is part of the National Conference. There are indications that they (Boko Haram) will be part of the national conference.

The Boko Haram sect has threatened to bring down the government of President Goodluck Jonathan in the next three months. What is your position on this?

They will be brought to the conference table. We have indicated that they will be part of the national conference where everybody will sit down and agree on how the country is to be governed.

The Full Report

Children at a primary school in Ketu, Nigeria. In a quarter century, at the rate Nigeria is growing, 300 million people — a population about as big as that of the present-day United States — will live in a country the size of Arizona and New Mexico.

The cloth market in Lagos, Nigeria, where the area’s population has by some estimates nearly doubled over 15 years to 21 million, and living standards for many are falling.

Muriana Taiwo, 45, explained that it was “God’s will” for him to have 12 children by his three wives, calling each child a “blessing” because so many of his own siblings had died.

BecomerichR, na which Chucks you dey reply? se emi ni Chuck inu title e?

ekt_bear, Do you think the President and Professor Nnaji are doing the best they can do to solve this problem? What do you think they could do to make power supply readily available in the shortest possible time?

BTW, a refinery is currently being built in Anambra. A generation plant is also being built in the area to support this plant - not sure if the plant is gas fired or combined cycle.

This is an example of a manufacturing plant which will survive despite the power problem. Why would you rather not use this approach, coupled with subsidies and government support to start reviving some of the industries which have been abandoned in the past? Must we really wait for 100% power supply?

[quote author=ekt_bear]Pretty much. If power supply doesn't become widely available, then the manufacturing industry will remain moribund. You could investigate subsidies/protectionist barriers too I suppose, but neither solves the main issue.[/quote]Fair enough. Your solution is to focus on power supply because without solving that problem, industrialization may not be achievable and no manufacturing plant can survive and be successful in such an environment. Am I reading you correctly?

Lets assume that everything you've said is accurate.

What are your suggestions on how to address the issues below, given that we don't have 100% power supply. Power supply will not become 100% available miraculously, do we fold our hands and do nothing until Nnaji succeeds?

This is what I've been trying to extract from you. The issue is not about ndu_chucks please. Lets hear your ideas, we already know that the easiest thing to do is to poke holes in other people's ideas. Lets have yours.

We have a large cotton belt but import textiles from China (thus keeping their subsidized factories open and jobs in china).


We are the world's number one producer of cassava but import cassava starch from Europe.

We have a huge tomato belt in Kadawa, Jigawa and Chad Basin but are the world's largest importer of tomato paste - from China and Italy.


We can produce rice but we import rice from Thailand and India-most of it from grain reserves that have been in stock for over 5 years.

Listen to her views on what the world bank's priorities should be.


Video Here

diluminati: where is the truth here that he wants to be yoruba leader you lier. he is not the only one who has asked for integration or other rubbish on that list there.mumu, talk talk people. i wonder what you do with your lives apart from nairaland. this place is getting shitty lately and tiring. you just come here and talk nonsense and it becomes hot rumor and gossips

^^^^ OK madam, you've got the attention you desire, happy now? Did you read the first post, if so, what do you disagree with therein? Where are the lies therein? I hope responding to your post is not a waste of time.

Nigerians who are bereft of ideas and solutions romanticize phrases like: Divide the country, break it up into several countries, SNC is the answer, 100% resource control e.t.c.

There is much more to public administration, governance, and leading a country towards development than these idiotic phrases. Those who throw these phrases around typically will not back them up with, plausible implementation plans.

Important issues of how to bypass (or revamp) the current government structure is never addressed. People say SNC will solve our problems but they have no plan of "how to get rid of the current political and legal structure" - a necessary ingredient for the success of SNC.

The same naive people will tell us that breaking Nigeria up will solve the problem, but here again, they conveniently ignore the important issue of how to accomplish this. They may be naive enough to believe that they can snap their fingers and all the tanks and big guns owned by the government will disappear or their local gods will send thunder to blow them up.

Ileke, those drawings are great. You captured my level headedness and peace loving demeanor quite well. I'm waiting for someone to draw Dede1 - that will be a challenge, I don't think the map of Nigeria will be anywhere on that drawing.

Beaf: @ndu chucks
When you come out everyday and the first thing that blasts your forehead is the burning sun at near desert intensity, yet all you can think about is fantastic schemes power stations running off stored natural gas, then you should realise that you have big problems indeed. The same thing goes for wind.

If you after all these years living in your own environment, you lack a single creative fibre, why is your instinct to blame others? Cacophony and entropy are the biggest problems with Nigeria.

Thanks for expressing your opinion. Now for the 3rd time, please let us know your views or the President's views on how these issues may be addressed. We all know that Nnaji and others are addressing the Power problem, we await your comments on this. If you can muster the courage, please avoid insults and childishness:

We have a large cotton belt but import textiles from China (thus keeping their subsidized factories open and jobs in china).


We are the world's number one producer of cassava but import cassava starch from Europe.

We have a huge tomato belt in Kadawa, Jigawa and Chad Basin but are the world's largest importer of tomato paste - from China and Italy.


We can produce rice but we import rice from Thailand and India-most of it from grain reserves that have been in stock for over 5 years.

[quote author=ekt_bear]

lol

Do you believe this sentence you just typed? That a business died, and the reason it died had "little" to do with profit and expenses?[/quote]A business did not die, several industries died. Yeap, thats the dutch disease for you, its a well documented phenomenon. Its much more than going out of business because your competition can deliver the same goods cheaper than you.

[quote author=ekt_bear]This is mathematics, effectively.

Like a 2 + 2 thing...you can agree or not, but the truth of it is independent of your agreement.

If you want to sell your stuff for the same price as the next man, but your expenses are higher, then necessarily your profit is smaller. If expenses too high, then profit becomes 0 or even possibly negative. And when profit is small, 0 or negative, factories are closed, laborers released, and unemployment rises.

Regarding the 80s, electricity demand in Nigeria was lower than it is in 2012, diesel was heavily, heavily subsidized, etc.

Today is a very different place from 1980...[/quote]You now fully well that the textile industry, just like several others collapsed because of neglect and the unwise shifting of focus to oil, oil, and oil. The collapse had little to do with high expenses versus small profit. The situation is much more than a 2 + 2 thing, some of the models you are familiar with may not be applicable here for several reasons.

You are a hard nut to crack. I hope we can at least agree that some manufacturing is possible and actually taking place even in our current environment. You may want to come and spend a bit of time here to see how creative Nigerians are.