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[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10318393#msg10318393 date=1330734069]Mind you I'm not saying we shouldn't fight corruption - we should fight it just as we fight the root. Leaving the root amounts to nothing. Both Abuja and the states are rotten but if we let the states or regions generate and control their resources with little to gain from the center then we would have fought a good fight.

With the way we're dictated to from Abuja, one million EFCC chairmen wont do a dent on the corruption. Then again you ask what keeps Abuja afloat? You know the ans.[/quote]nwannem, I knew you'd come around sooner or later. If you set aside this lazy call for breaking up the country, you'll start looking at real solutions. The bolded above has become imperative.  What we must do is to find a way to achieve a meaningful restructuring instead of beating our chests and calling for dissolution. I believe each state should control ALL the resources within its borders, provide for its own police force, and write its own constitution.  Offshore resources should remain under the control of the feds.  Finally, if you live in any state for a year or more, you should be accorded the same rights of other citizens born in that state. Can you live with this?

As Obiagu1 stated below, the status quo is not working and has become unacceptable.

@Logic Mind, you are a known silly village goat so your comments are not surprising. Read other reasonable comments on the thread and feel very ashamed.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10317608#msg10317608 date=1330724813]Shying away from the obvious isn't going to solve our problems. We either have SNC, move apart a little, or disintegrate completely. In 50 yrs how many people will still be leaving here? I hope we don't leave this trouble for them.[/quote]ngwanu, lets have the national conversation, but dissolution will be off the table. That is the lazy man's way out.

[quote author=Dudu_Negro link=topic=883858.msg10317545#msg10317545 date=1330724049]hmmm. . . interesting! corruption is not the root cause of our problem. Entrenching our culture into a Western styled philosophy is the root cause of our problems.

So to resolve our problem we need to ask if we want democracy and capitalism or not. If we want it, then we should get used to breeding more corruption. This is totally different from the question of dissolution of Nigeria.[/quote]Corruption is manageable with proper accountability and we don't have to discard capitalism to get rid of corruption. I disagree that dissolution is the primary or sole solution to our problems as a one nation. If we can reduce corruption by only 30% in our society, the improvements would be remarkable.

Katsumoto:
No one is suggesting that the new nations would be without issues/problems. Nations that have existed for centuries, England, Greece are currently facing the morst severe financial crisis in their histories.

What others are suggesting is that carrying on with an approach that has failed will NEVER lead to success. It is time for a new approach.

Only a fool would suggest that the current system does not need to be reformed.  I simply do not believe that the system can only be repaired by breaking up the country.

A very honest national conversation with "breaking up of the country" being off the table, is in order

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10316951#msg10316951 date=1330717669]Ndu, you've been building this One Nigeria for 52 years since independence and 42 since the end of civil war and we've seen how far you can go. Now this is your "how far" - Millions of beggars, millions almajiris with no future, and last but the not the least, Boko haram.

I invite you to check the condition of core north and its prospects back then in 1960 and compare it with whats obtainable today. You might say yeah we have this and that today as gain/profit, but have you really looked at the awful downside? If you actually did then you wont be here castigating others for their future/desire to be away from you.

The fact is - the more core north stays with Nigeria the more they go down, you might not realize it. Your people take free oil money and have become unaccountable to anyone and guess who pays for it? Northern poor masses. Yes our politicians take money too but they know we're as smart as they are so they don't take us for a ride. We go to same school where their kids go to, we try to eat where they eat, so basically we are fishing near their private ponds. Can you say the same in Core North? So my brother you are the one deluding your self with this Oneness mantra.

You better wake up and realize that even though we're in Nigeria with you we're also not in Nigeria with you. You might not realize it because you're fixated in One Nigeria. We know what you mean when you say one Nigeria, we're not fools.

If you have existed as one Nigeria and after 52 years your brothers are now setting schools ablaze, bombing churches, targeting clerics, imposing sharia, cattle rearers chopping off arms and legs, plucking out eyes, Desecrating women as the cattle munches on anything green in farmers farm, Tiv vs Fulani, Berom vs Fulani, Beggars everywhere, Kano exploding, Imo state or Ekiti state having more than or almost the total number of Core northern university admission, poverty skyrocketing, power slipping away from core north, etc. When will you realize you're better off on your own?

If Igbo statistics look as abysmal as that above I will spit on the grave of my forefathers and move to Somalia after all whats the difference - I wont be here holding on to failure.

The reason ND, SS, Ijaw, Oduaa, Igbo, and MB people have at one time or the other threatened to want out of Nigeria is because they feel they can do better than Nigeria - what about you? The reason you're depicting me as throwing "effeminate emotions" is because you've run out of ideas hence the insult. I wont go down that road with you because I'm not a fool.

The issue is people's right to self determination, if it hurts you then change your hegemonic ways maybe then we can talk about unity. As Igbo, I don't ask for pity, I tell you what my right is and if you think you can keep it forever then be ready for confrontation down the road. You can use cheap blackmail, we saw it during the war but you can now see the war is very much alive as more and more groups are becoming assertive and demanding while you and your brothers are still basking in the euphoric hang-over of you war "victory."

Wake up buddy![/quote]^^^ Story Story.

nwannem, you have miserably failed to see that Nigerians have a common enemy. The enemy is made up of the corrupt owners of Nigeria, who control the economic and military power in the country. They hail from every region of Nigeria. This enemy continues to r.ape you people with the hope that you continue to fight each other along tribal lines instead of focusing your energy in fighting them.  Even if you get your biafra, the same people will rule you and nothing changes for the better.  The Almajiri in the North is just as marginalized as the Ogoni fisherman, they have all been failed by our corrupt leaders and people like you who are well educated but fail to see who your true enemy is. Shame on you.

Your best bet is to find a way to defeat the enemy completely by playing the democratic game. Trust me, you can do it.

Genius100:
Chief, Nigeria should separate if the cause for Nigeria's woes is the fact that we are one entity. There is no ounce of evidence to suppport the fact that one region would be better off on its own. The Governors have as much power as needed to transform their states, yet the same corruption thrives in every single state in Nigeria. Nigeria's main problem is corruption. Get rid of corruption and Nigeria will cease to be a failure,

Genius100, Yours is a lone voice of reason.

Many of these people erroneously think that the separation of Nigeria will resolve most problems. I completely agree with you that the same issues of corruption and tribalism will destroy the newly formed nations quicker than it would Nigeria as it is currently organized.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10314595#msg10314595 date=1330695603]I rest my case. I can now confidently say that your pacifism is a mere mockery of its true meaning. Lets look at the words you used while referring to Northerners and Ojukwu - For Northerners you said  "I understand why the Northerners reacted to the killing of their beloved leaders by Nzeogwu and others" and for Ojukwu you stated [b]"I also understand why Ojukwu took his treasonous steps." [/b]According to you Northerners reacted while Ojukwu was a treasonable felon.[/quote]The earlier you stopped exhibiting this kind of  effeminate emotionalism and focused on being objective, the more productive  this conversation would be.  A spade is a spade no matter how emotional you become in wishing that the spade becomes something else.  Treason is the offense of acting to kill one’s government’s sovereignty and a violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign state. By all accounts, Ojukwu’s steps were treasonous, and he faced court marshal for the crime – this is a fact that cannot be disputed no matter how hard you try.  Ojukwu was forgiven for this treason and allowed to return to Nigeria by Shagari.  This is a historical fact known to all and sundry.

You see, the reason I even started this is to get your full opinion given how much "One United Nigeria" means to you. Now I see what it means to you is diametrically opposed to my future and well-being. By your own definition, I should stick with Nigeria no matter what. In fact in your dictionary the word self determination might as well vanish because its treason to think or attempt such. According to you If SS/SE gets together for disintegration from a country that gave them more deaths than they could bury they should and would be crushed "again" by GREAT Nigerian Army - really? I see. Well I have news for whoever attempts to crush my people "again"  - that news is you will do it from the grave. Its not boasting. I can promise you they will breathe and choke in lethal gas proudly made and administered by Sam_Ikenna.

I actually feel sorry for you and I suspect that you are in exile somewhere in diaspora. You see, your opinion of self determination is a minute minority opinion. The vast majority of Igbos here in Nigeria do not want another war and many are busy working very hard to make our democracy work -  Ojukwu himself worked towards this effort.  You secessionists can hang on the lost glory and continue to cry for biafra until you turn black and blue. The rest of us will build our nation into a productive and progressive one, with or without your help. You remind me of some Texans who are still preaching about seceding after all these years. Nwannem, don’t be left behind – Insha Allah, Nigeria shall be greater once again.

As for Ojukwu, he did what we asked him to do - what did we ask him? - declare Biafra and by God we will defend it! He did his job well and as for Biafra's defense - its still not over as long as someone from 1000 kilometers away from me thinks he can define and distort my right to suit his ego, oil money, and political hegemony.

You know, it baffles me how you think I can coexist in the same nation with you when you exonerate murderers and exalt a murderous army that has done nothing but join in the mass murder of my people in the north and after losing out in election contest unleashed their deadly Boko Haram on us.

Well, if you asked Ojukwu to treasonously declare Biafra, then you are co conspirators who belong in jail.  Nwannem, please be focused and stop throwing wild accusations around. If you cannot find a post where I exonerated murderers, then you owe me an apology once again. As for BH, please organize a protest in front of Aso Rock to demand that GEJ fights the terrorists and protect Nigerians. BTW, More Northerners have died as a result of BH activities.

On a final note I will say this - After 52 years of independence and 42 years since the end of Biafra/Nigeria war it seems that macabre dance is becoming much more pronounced again. The same people that beat the drums the first time are beating it the second time thinking they have the numbers, the mastery, the courage, and the strength to dance it like they did the first time. They were helped to lift the trophy of the first dance and now they believe they're invisible hence the beating for the second show. They've been good propagandists and masters of treachery for so long that they've lost the meaning of time and change. They think they're our lords and they gloat over their enabled/assisted triumph over their "captives." Due to their inability to follow time and change they've failed to realize that their "captives" are no longer in chains and cuffs - the captives have been free for so long and are now better masters at propaganda and treachery and are more than ready for the second macabre dance.

You people are the ones beating the said drums again and calling for seccession and the breakup of our dear country. Some of us are getting tired of your irresponsible agitations. It seems as if you people have not learnt from the past.   No one is stopping you – simply declare Biafra or any other nation again and see how far you’ll get. I can assure you that this time, your own brothers will kill you themselves.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10314595#msg10314595 date=1330695603]Anyway let me add one thing here since you said you don't justify the death of any Nigerian whether in war or peace. The question goes like this - since your a pacifist, does it mean you're now withdrawing your support for the war Gowon launched on the East?

I know I haven't read where you justified the war, I'm just assuming you do but if you actually don't then I apologize.
Anyway, going back to Gowon's war on the East, do you support it? if yes, how does that fit into your pacifism bearing in mind you're an avowed hater of blood and war? If your answer is no then state it and we'll squash everything.[/quote]I'm glad you have already apologized for implying that I offered justification for the civil war. Your apology is accepted. Let me also add that I understand why the Northerners reacted to the killing of their beloved leaders by Nzeogwu and others; I also understand why Ojukwu took his treasonous steps.  I am unable however, to find any justification for  Ojukwu's act of not surrendering when it became apparent that biafra had lost - why must he allow thousands of more people to die in vain while he himself eventually fled the scene? By the same token, I cannot offer any justification for the killing of innocent Nigerians for any cause, period.

I am also of the opinion that the next attempt by any region to secede via military actions will  lead to more deaths than we had in Rwanda. We are better off as one Nation under God (Allah), than to kills ourselves off via ethnic cleansing. You people who are still calling for biafra, in my opinion are either foolish, wicked, or both. You all need to learn how to operate in a democracy and form coalitions to fight for your interests legally. 

There has been a lot of noise about SS and SE alliance. This is a good thing if the said alliance is a political one as shown by the outcome of the last Presidential election.  If on the other hand, such an alliance is to tear the country apart and plan for seccession, I'm afraid you people will be crushed once again by the great Nigerian Army, whether I am a pacifist or not.

^^^^  I have always maintained that I am a Nigerian, period.  People like you are not helping the Igbo cause by defining the Igbo as bigoted people and purists who believe the minorities among them are not real Igbos, hence deserve to be treated like animals. Even among you, you have the Osu who you treat as sub humans.

Your hatred will do nothing but devour you, I don't even need to slap you or shoot you, olodo. Your enemy lives inside of you and I pity you fool.

Why are you people outraged about this issue? The story is the same in every state in the country. Our enemies are the leaders who need to be replaced by force. I hope the youths will find a way to do this but my guess is that the looting will continue for a few more decades.

Nigerians should stop voting for these thieves.

Onlytruth:
ndu_chucks,

I have already replaced all the zeroes in that your false equation with "to keep Nigeria one is a task that must be done" -which in numerical terms means ad infinitum.
That is what you really believe, which is why you defend mass murderers like Murtala Muhammad.
Embrace your beliefs bro. 

Eze Igbo NL, go and read up on mathematical induction olodo. ad infinitum ko, continuum ni.

The trouble with you people is that you continue to live in denial. You lost the war, period!!  Your supreme leader Ikemba Eze Igbo Gburugburu, RIP, accepted this reality and embraced patriotism. He ran for elective offices and even for the Presidency. He formed APGA and learnt to live by democratic ideals. Your own leaders and governors are ready to imprison and kill you people if you try any foolishness.

Here's what an Igbo son, Azikwe Ebele Jonathan had to say in remembrance of  Murtala Mohammed, your own hateful opinion on the Patriot is irrelivant and null:

Azikiwe Ebele GEJ: I want to close this day by remembering a great fallen patriot, a man who paid the Supreme price for this nation and a man whose zeal for Nigeria's unity knew no bounds. Today, I remember General Murtala Ramat Mohammed who fell to the assassins bullets on this day 36 years ago. May his soul continue to rest in peace.

@Obiagu1, stop acting as if you are a dummy who cannot read. My position is as clear as a whistle, "killing of a single Nigerian citizen is morally reprehensible, whether during a war or in peace" I know you were expecting a bigoted response from me and I am sorry to disappoint you.

P.S. There will always be unintended consequences when wayward soldiers carryout coups that are not well thought out and kill leaders from particular regions while sparing those from theirs.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10307854#msg10307854 date=1330612322]If keeping Nigeria united requires that 5000 (not 30000) of your people be butchered in 1 year (not 3 months) by another group, and if your people withdraw back to their ancestral land and declare their own independence that FG should launch a humane war (not genocidal) that will kill 500,000 of your people (not one million or 3 million, just mere 500,000) to bring them back, and after the war let FG give your people 500 pounds each (not 20 pounds), would you accept it? Would you still accept that this "task that must be done" must go on?

Mind you, I didn't put Asaba, abandon property, starvation, and shooting at everything that doesn't move because after all its a humane war.

Ndu Nwanne I'm waiting for your answer.[/quote]I'm going to cut through the chase and answer the above question before addressing the other presumptions or presuppositions contained in your post. I'm afraid however, that you will not get an exotic answer from me, for I am a pacifist who does not believe that a single Nigerian needs to die to keep Nigeria one, two, three or six for that matter. My solution (answer) to your question (problem) is therefore the trivial solution.  Let me simplify this mathematically: the equation x + 13y = 0 has the trivial solution x = 0, y = 0. Nontrivial solutions exist however.  Shey you get my point?

We can debate the causes of the civil war or the number of heros who died on both sides if you wish. Please be reminded that I will not accept any cooked up statistical data, so be ready to support your numbers with facts.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10307854#msg10307854 date=1330612322]Ndu_chuks Nwanne, let me first say that (1) you are not Igbo and (2) you don't have to forgive Ojukwu for anything.[/quote]How do you define Igbo? 50% Igbo, 30%, 100%, 10%?  It suffices to say that I have relatives who died while fighting on the biafran side and others on the Nigerian side.  Some of them would not have died if the biafran commanders had surrendered promptly. It was the foolishness of this decision which led to the deaths of many of my relatives. Who are you to tell me that I don't have to forgive Ojukwu?  Some of you don't realize that families were torn apart because of the war where a father returned to the East and left his wife and children in the North and vice-versa.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10307854#msg10307854 date=1330612322]In my earlier post I asked "Nigerians" in NL to state in unambiguous terms the rightness or wrongness of the justice that Nigeria administered to innocent men in Asaba in 1967, Easterners in the north in 1966, and finally Biafrans during and after the war. I also stated that for those who believe that the justice Asaba and the rest of Biafrans got was a well deserved one to say in clear terms that if their people were under the same circumstance they would, in good faith, accept that same Nigerian justice.[/quote]nwanne m, it is impossible to morally justify any war as far as I am concerned. War is a barbaric act, period.  We must do all we can to avoid another one. The killing of a single Nigerian citizen is morally reprehensible, whether during a war or in peace.  The sane thing to do is learn from the past and try not to allow history to repeat itself. There is enough blame to go around, buddy. Its time to move on.

P.S, you address me as "nwanne", try to add an "m" to the end of that word like I did above, it will give you some relief.

@Op, I assume the question is meant for Ndu_Chucks as opposed to Ndu_chuks. I forgive your carelessness and will respond within 10 hours. Please note however that I do not answer multiple choice questions because the choice of answers are typically rigged. I will however respond to your question adequately and completely.

As for Eze Onlytruthlies, may your unit disappoint you terribly at you next rendervous with your concubine. Olodo.

Beaf:
You mean I am demonising him? Lolzzzzzzzzzzz!
So you believe that you are a demon, or how do we interpret your words?

Talking about operating within a democracy; you need to call boko haram to order before advising others. Seen?

olodo, stop trying to deceive NLers. I will assume that that is what you are doing, the alternative will be to assume that you are unintelligent and don't understand English. For the benefit of other olodos, see below and pay attention to item 3:

World English Dictionary
demonize or demonise (ˈdiːməˌnaɪz)

— vb
1. to make into or like a demon
2. to subject to demonic influence
3. to mark out or describe as evil or culpable

@noisebrainless. Regarding your Zainab snide remark, Go and lookup the meaning of Pen Name and nom de plume. In the meantime, just go away.

Beaf:
Really? As soon as I read ephomoghia's post, a single word popped into my mind; ndu_chucks.
If you are sentimental, then the ephomoghia's and ndu_chucks will wrap around their little finger.

To the best of my knowledge, the Briggs' and Dokubo's are well respected leaders and are listened to in the ND.
I am truly interested to know who you imagine would shape the ND's future (or speak for it) outside of its current leaders.

You attempt at demonizing people from your area who have a different opinion from you is silly and quite childish. The civil thing to do is to listen to them and espouse the wisdom in their opinions. ephomoghia (who da heck is he anyway?) must have hit a raw nerve of yours, I will look for his posts to see what da heck got your attention.

hint hint, your very own governors will thwart any attempt by you all to wrestle power away from them. They will throw you in jail and even use tanks and kill you if you take things too far. You people need to start learning how to operate in a democracy and give up your rascality and hero worship of know terrorists.

@noisebrainless, crawl back into the hole from which you came. I don't chat with intellectual midgets and brainlless toddlers. Egbe ndi boko haram piafuka gi isi. Flee flea.

BlackPikiN:
Did Ojukwu cause any death?
Did Ojukwu cause the North and other Nigerians to kill Igbo men before He stood up for their defense?
Is there anything wrong with him saying "enough is enough, come home my people if you feel unsecured".
Did you just hear what Niger state Governor say about acting same way if He had the  opportunity to. That wasn't a political statement.
It was straight and frank.

So you hail the killing of defenseless civilians and hate someone who chose to protect them.
You be animal, a coward and demon!

I have very little patience for people who cannot comprehend simple English. Why are you asking these dumb questions? I will state it categorically that the fact that biafran commanders made the decision to keep fighting after the blockade, instead of surrendering, caused the deaths of more people than had been killed on both sides, before the blockade.

The sad thing is that while civilians were starving to death, these commanders were well fed, and at the end of the day, they fled!!

My people are in denial again:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/648223_rak_jpg3be10a689dcae3eda0158a90666e866e

Onlytruth:
You want us to be SE and SS and (if you can) to break us further into states for easier conquer.
Well, you will have to face the Onlytruths of Eastern Nigeria first. 

You are delusional. Your own governors are the ones who want to break you up further by asking for additional states.  I recall one of them asking for the creation of more states in the SE to honour Ikemba. You are now somehow accusing other people for trying to break you up further. You are the biggest fool around - soon you will blame the North causing erosion in the East.

EzeUche:
The way some of my Igbo brothers are commenting on this thread, I can tell they do not interact with the people of the Niger Delta. That is why they are making such comments about some phantom unity. If you want to know how the people of the Niger Delta feel about the "Core" Igbos, I suggest you go to Port Harcourt or Yenagoa, before you make a comment about this new "unity" between our regions.

Some people may be surprised to hear that that even the Annang would be against a Biafra. The fear of Igbo domination is real in the Niger Delta and the younger generation has this view just like the older generation. When I see Onlytruth discuss this topic, he wants the wider Igbo to make concessions to ease the fear of the minorities within this reason. Why should the Ndigbo bend over backwards for this people, when we have the most to lose? Have you people forgotten the abandoned property saga?

You'll have to swallow your pride and accept my support for your comments above. What is right is right, regardless of whether ndu_chucks says it is so.  Onlytruthlies is an ignorant foreigner who lives in diaspora and suffers from a complete disconnect from realities.  

Since you people made him Eze Igbo Gburugburu of NL,  his head has become swollen and he believes that no one else can have an opinion superior to his own. I have good news though, I plan to use very superior line of though to knock his conehead back in shape soon enough.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=882413.msg10303933#msg10303933 date=1330567690]1. If you believe Asaba got the right justice from Nigeria, boldly and loudly state before NLers that such justice is what you hope for your people if found under similar circumstance.[/quote]This question is irrational. I can count at least 2 oxymorons in the question. You seem to have forgotten that war is not a dance party and people get killed in wars. It is basically impossible to paint the picture of death in pleasant colours. Death should never be wished on a fellow human being for no just cause, whether he/she is a member or "your people" or not.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=882413.msg10303933#msg10303933 date=1330567690]2. If you in all honesty believed that Biafra was wrong and deserved whatever happened to her and her people including, but not limited to, 30000 mutilated bodies in 1966, 3 million killed during the war, Starvation as a weapon, 20 pounds, Abandon property, mass purge from civil service, etc. then boldly state before the world that you would adore and cherish the kind of justice Biafrans got if your group or region were under similar circumstance.[/quote]I remind you once more that war is not a dance party. The numbers you are throwing around are probably not accurate and the number of dead during the war has been a bone of contention for a long time. Nigerians have never been able to count living people let alone dead people during the war. How did you arrive at those outrageous numbers? Just so you know, blockade is a legitimate tool of warfare.

If the blockade caused the deaths of thousands of rebels, then the blame lies squarely on incompetent leaders and military strategists on the biafra side. As soon as a blockade was implemented, rebel leaders should have known that they could no longer win the war.  The compassionate and smart thing to do thereafter would have been to surrender.  Instead of surrendering and saving the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions, as you put it, the rebel leaders kept fighting and causing the deaths of their own people through starvation etc.  In the end these rebel leaders fled. SMH

Nwanne m, It took me a long time to forgive Ojukwu and his military commanders for these unnecessary deaths.

Dede1:
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The massacre in Asaba was real and perpetrated by the elements of 8th brigade of 2nd Division of Nigerian army commanded by a Yoruba officer named Lt Col Francis Aisida.

Onitsha/Obosi massacre had been placed on the shoulders of Col Murtala Muhammad who at the time of incident was not only the GOC of 2nd Division of Nigerian army but was the direct commander of 4th and 6th brigades.

There was Ogba/Egbama massacre perpetrated by the elements of 15th brigade of 3MCDO of Nigerian army commanded by a Yoruba officer named Major J O Makanajuola.

LWKMD. When rebels decided to seceed and occupied federal territories while terrorizing Nigerian citizens who live there, all is well and good according to some people. But when the federal troops engage the rebels in battles in a defensive effort, with superior force, where the rebels use civilians as human shields as they run away like chickens and cowards, the surviving rebels and their children scream massacre.

If you people don't know what war means, don't start one, if you are not prepared for war, don't implicitly declare one, and most importantly, if you observe that losing a war is inevitable, surrender early and save lives instead of fighting to "finish" while your leaders eventually run away in exile.

chosen04: The telecoms employee was said to have been angered by the denial resulting in a fight between him and the female member of the group.

Sensing that the female member of the group could not match Eze’s strength, “Ultimate,” was said to have brought out an object suspected to be charm and hit the telecoms employee with it on the chest.

RIP Eze. The perpetrators should be punished for this killing. Having said that, there should never be a reason why a man should physically fight a female. Without the intervention of the male OPC members, I wonder whether the female member would be alive herself.

Fools are now blaming Fulani Herdsmen for the incompetence of police and those responsible for public safety. The police and the incompetent officials tell us that Fulani Herdsmen committed the crime, yet they cannot produce a single one of the so-called criminal herdsmen. I submit that this story is unbelievable and an outright lie. It is more likely that the real robbers tried to frame innocent herdsmen. SMH

My people are in denial again.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/648223_rak_jpg3be10a689dcae3eda0158a90666e866e

This fake list has been around since 2006 and was purportedly released by the World Bank. The world bank issued a statement distancing itself from the list. Why are you people recycling old crap?

Ibori, in pleadeing guilty, has successfully protected his accomplices who could have become witnesses and exposed additional criminals in the process.  

The whole affair sounds like a plead bargain to me and an attempt to get a smaller jail term. I wouldn't be surprised if he is sentenced to time served and released.

@OP, stop mocking the Almajiris, these are God's children

My people appear to be in denial

Beaf:
I believe this is it:

[img]http://www.abujacity.com/.a/6a00d8345c5c1b69e20120a91de111970b-pi[/img]

As to what you have to do with unrepentant secessionists? You have quite a suspicious and unforgiving heart, sir.

This is not a monument dedicated to soldiers lost in the civil war - no need to manufacture 'facts'.  It is a monument for the "Unknown Soldier' who died as a hero but remains unrecognized. The veterans of the civil war are known and some are still alive. Where is the monument erected in their honour?

It is quite arrogant and dumb at the same time, to believe that someone's has a suspicious and unforgiving heart simply because they do not allow you to get away with revisionism and sycophancy, without being called out.

Beaf:
There is already a monument to the unknown soldier. And there are still unrepentant seccessionists because of people like you.
Bringing closure and showing respect is the wisest thing to do.

Where is this monument located, please post pictures if possible. Zungeru or Nnewi would be a good location for a monument for Ojukwu, placing one in Abuja will not be in furtherance of the closure you speak of. BTW, what do I have to do with unrepentant secessionists?

This post must be a bait to fool Igbo people, ko? You should be calling for a monument for the dead soldiers of the civil war.olodo

You talk about closure, but that kind of closure is impossible when you have unrepentant secessionists still running loose.

Your question has the trivial answer. The real question is, can enough ever be enough, for the long suffering Nigerians?

If you look at the names of the champions of this SNC talk, you'll find that they are those of politicians who are no longer in power (90%). Why did they not promote or support laws which will could have got us a step closer to true federalism when they were in power?  These people are now looking for ways to become relevant again and they will be crushed by the owners of Nigeria soon enough.

GEJ himself will unleash tanks and the armed forces against real threats to his seat. The thieving governors and their cohorts would do the same. Best option is to operate at the grass roots.

I'll start taking these SNC advocates seriously when the are able to organize a successful peaceful protest of at least 100 thousand or more Nigerians who will match to NASS and demand change. For now, they are noisemakers as far as I am concerned.