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Dede1:
I am disappointed you insinuated the pogrom in northern Nigeria was not remotely connected to the unity and oneness expressed by Ndigbo.

I know you are aware that Mallam Umaru Altine  was elected the first Mayor of Enugu in 1956, way before Independence. Azikiwe was obviously instrumental in ensuring that Altine became mayor. How did Azikiwe's actions or your claimed opposition of the Northern elite lead to pogroms between 1956 and 1960? Please clarify which pogroms you are trying to tie the said election to.  When did the pogroms take place?


@ifysimple, flee flea!!

[quote author=Godman_n link=topic=864545.msg10155940#msg10155940 date=1328774622]Tell me why China, India and Brazil is transforming quickly except for a focused government helped by a massive population. In the present world economics and its involving politics, population is key. He that holds the market dictates the terms. The market is the population. With a big market, every country on earth, every multinational, every manufacturer will relate with you at your own terms. With a tiny market, no one cares.

But these are not facts that the ordinary man on the street will understand. It is true that our tribes have not had the best of relationships and understanding. But this is purely a failure of leadership. If you can think about this properly, you will see clearly that even when we break down to tiny Biafran, Oduduwa, Arewa, MiddleBelt, Niger-Delta etc, republics; that the division will not stop. How well has the Ijebus and the Egbas all in Ogun state related? How well has the Wawas and their brothers in the East related? How well has the Itshekiris and the Ijaws in small Delta state related? How well have you even related in your own tiny family of few members.

Our problem is leadership. They denied us basic law and order; they denied us fairness and justice. This gave rise to all the ethnic squabbles. I repeat, all men are created same and equal by God. I have stayed in the North, I live in the West, I am from the East; I[b] see no difference between the people than useless prejudices and biases. These are all man made.[/b] These take a larger than life scale because of the stealing corrupt leaders that we have. I have watched my tiny village politics closely and I still see marginalization. I see same in Enugu state politics. I see massive corruption in my local government. I know the names that have embezzled my local govt. allocation since I became a man. How will I blame an Hausa or Yoruba man for this. Are those names not from among the very people I call my own. So it is not about tribe. It is about law and order. It is about justice and fairness. It is about good and reasonable government.[/quote]^ +1000 esp. the bolded, carry go nwanne m.

Dede1:
When Ndigbo let Hausa man to become first Mayor of Enugu in 60s, the northern region political elites termed it a disguised trick for Ndigbo to take over northern region of Nigeria hence the pogrom. What actually is your drift on the bolded?

Ndigbo did not let anyone become mayor, buddy! Get your facts straight.  Mallam Umaru Altine who hailed from the old Sokoto  and who served as President of the Enugu Branch of the (NCNC) was elected the first Mayor of Enugu in 1956. No one "let him" become mayor, he earned the office.  

It is this kind of elevated and futuristic politics played by Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe, the first Premier of Eastern Nigeria and the most sincere proponent of Nigerian national unity of all time, that enabled Altine to become the 1st mayor of Enugu, and I believe that we all should learn from Azikiwe. The pogroms you referenced above are completely unrelated to the mayoral post in Enugu. Azikiwe got it right, back then.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=867026.msg10160761#msg10160761 date=1328811678]OP, the place where you were born is not always where you consider your homeland.  I would not rest if they were to bury me in America (God Forbid it!).  I'm sure you've heard of, or met, people who were born to military or diplomat parents on foreign soil, they don't consider themselves foreign citizens nau.

BTW, Does anyone know why he hasn't been buried yet. Sorry, it is shocking to me. No disrespect o. We bury our dead within 24hours unless there are extreme circumstances.[/quote]Being born to military or diplomat parents on foreign soil is an obvious exception, don't you think?

One of our major problems in Nigeria is that, people who have lived in areas for 50 or more years, including those who are born in the same areas, are denied full legal rights, property rights, and even the right to contest for political offices in those areas.   We must stop this abusive acts if we are going to progress as a nation.  Why must ndigbo or Yorubas who have lived all of their lives in the North be deemed as "foreigners" simply because their ancestral homes are a misely several hundred miles away?  Why must a Northerner who lives in the South suffer the same fate?  This is the issue I am trying to highlight here.

Progress is when an Igbo man can become the governor of Lagos state, and a Hausa man, a governor of Enugu - so to speak.

Beaf:
Damn! Is that one of the roads?
[size=14pt]Chai! Hai!! Chineke me!!! No wonda dem been no wan post pisho![/size]

www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6

unu no go kill person for here. Must you exhibit your customary dishonesty by refusing to differentiate between a road under construction and a finished road? SMH

Reggie2:
The greatness of Odimegwu Ojukwu to Ndigbo is enormous and beats the wildest imagination of the feeble minded. His departure is being celebrated all over, home and in diaspora. How does one equate greatness?:

He took up the Federal side without weapon or fear and resisted for years. Obj later accused him that, the ability to resist for so long meant that Ojukwu had planned a war long before joining the army - it beat his poor imagination.

Pronouncement of his heavily accented igbo names - CHUKWUEMEKA ODIMEGWU OJUKWU sent chills down the spine of enemy soldiers during the war. When a war zone went tough, he joined the battle and morals were high

When the war became hopeless, as shameless the federal side sought outside support to fight BIAFRA, Ojukwu left Effiong to negotiate a surrender with Igbo pride still intact. Britain forced Gowan to accept a no victor no vanquish verdict having previously forced him to re-negate the Aburi accord.

He could have opted for a hit and run suicide style of warfare against the federal side but he was too big, too decent for that kind of barbaric method. Thus he saved many Igbo lives and retained their Igbo pride.

Because he believed that he who fights and run away, will live to fight another day, he came back a hero to the chagrin of his cowardly detractors.

Ndigbo have overtaken their sworn enemies especially in commerce and they are dying with envy. The hight of this anger and enviousness is anchored on the man who led the resistance. He is[b] DIM CHUKWUEMEKA ODIMEGWU OJUKWU - EZE IGBO GBURUBGURU[/b]

This is why some of them would have him thrown into the ocean as a revenge for their obsessive hatred for Ndigbo. However the world will witness how an African hero is buried na ALA IGBO

IGBO KWENU!!!

+1000

Ojukwu was indubitably a Great Nigerian.

ChinenyeN:
LMFAO once again!

Okwute Egyptians pifuka gi dat ya hand wey you dey take type. olodo

@gbosaa, please try and hurt the fly following you arround first before threatening shadows. dummy

Dede1:
@POSTER


You are entitled to your opinions regardless how goofy they may appear. Igbo do not burial their dead out their ancestral homes even when born in another city in Igbo land talk less of Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, Kanuri or Tiv land.

The bolded is the kind of ideology which keeps Africans uncivilized. When are you people going to learn of some of the primary principles of civilization and move out of the bush for good?  You, a whole well published and internationally recognized University professor who lives in diaspora should know better. Learn one or two things from yoour adopted country, biko. Take your USA for example,  do the white folks carry their dead to their ancestral land in England, Austrailia, Russia, etc for burial?  nwanne,  its time to jettison some of these dumb ideologies; O bu mmuo ndi na-efe na-egbu ha

May I recommend that posters show some respect and stop the insults. like it or not, Ojukwu remains one of the greatest Nigerians ever.

Some of you dummies are consumed by effeminate emotionalism to the extent that you fail to discuss the bigger issue of residency, raised in this thread. Olodos.

The man deserves to be buried in his homeland, Zungeru.

Most people may not be aware of the fact that the Ojukwu family settles in a town in Niger State back in the 1800's. The entire Ojukwu family including Emeka spoke fluent hausa and Ikemba himself, spoke Yoruba, Ibo, and Hausa very fluently. There is a little known fact that Ojukwu is more fluent in hausa than in Ibo.

Ikemba was born and raised in Zungeru and was later sent abroad at At 13, to study in the UK, first at Epsom College and later at Lincoln College, Oxford University, where he earned a Masters degree in history. He returned to colonial Nigeria in 1956.

He joined the civil service in Eastern Nigeria as an Administrative Officer at Udi, in present-day Enugu State. In 1957, within months of working with the colonial civil service, he left and joined the military as one of the first and few university graduates to join the army. Shortly thereafter he was posted to the North, his homeland as an Army Officer.

For all practical purposes, Ojukwu is a Northerner. IMO he deserves to be buried in his homeland and place of birth - Zungeru, Niger State.  It is not enough for the planners of his burial, lead by retired Justice Chukwudifu Oputa, to simply come up with a revised burial ceremony which includes a plan to honour the Ikemba with a ceremony in Zungeru, Niger State, his birth place. 

I know the bigots among us will never agree to give Ojukwu and others the right to claim their birthplaces as homeland, I'd recommend that thes bigots do the right thing and bury the man in his hometown of Zungeru. Shikena.

What is this obsession with the woman's tatoo? Have you people never seen tatoo? SMH

The Ikwerre people are not Igbos, period.  Right from about the 16th century, the Igbo has been in touch with Ikwerre (through slave trade, Arochuku activities, goods trading, hiring of labour for farm work, marriages and politics) and had always wanted to dominate, colonise and take over Ikwerre at all cost and by all means possible.

This is natural especially where the dominated people (Ikwerre) are better endowed than the colonising power (Igbo), coupled with the ever tendency of a bigger group to swallow a smaller one and whenever the latter refuses, the former resorts to cheap propaganda. That is exactly what people like Naijaking are probably are bent on doing to Ikwerre, here on NL.

We are watching you people and your misinformation will be exposed once identified.

Is this a joke??

At any rate, our people talk say, Nti na-anughi anu ihe, mgbe a ga-egburu ishi e gburu nti - a word is enough for the wise; Soyinka is a wise man.

Hope you guys know that sect hierarchy denies both the list of negotiators and the video. The announcement of this so-called willingness to dialogue is possibly an excellent counter intelligence activity. SSS should keep up this kind of tactic - even fools know that no terrorist group will release such a video on a day they just attacked the heart of Nigeria's military.

Excellent news!! Lets hope the attacks of the Air force base and the flyover in the same Kawo area were also foiled.

I wonder why notable personalities such as Lagos State Governor Raji Fashola, Nobel Laureate Wole Soyinka, Mallam Adamu Ciroma, Finance Minister Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala and Petroleum Minister Diezani Alison-Madueke, who were billed to speak at the event, were conspicuously absent and no reason was given for their absence.

Soyinka and Ciroma were billed to speak for the South-West and North-East geo-political zones while Fashola was listed as the chief host.

I suppose the named people above are enemies of Nigeria. SMH

[quote author=musiwa,,. link=topic=864545.msg10138319#msg10138319 date=1328571011]they are basically preparing their people for civil war. we are basically running away before it happen.[/quote]Ogbeni, awon omo O'odua are not known to run away like this.

Beaf:
I conclude that those at the summit seeking to forge a way out of the current chaotic structural mess that is Nigeria, are the true leaders. They are the ones who care for the people. El Rufai on the other hand, has identified himself as a creature of the status quo, a user and beguiler who is so scared of the prospects of a new dawn that he has dropped his pants in his panic issuance of unbecoming words.

Yes, I love this new Nigeria where grown ups are forced to dance na'ked.

Your celebrations are misplaced buddy. Your uncle, GEJ, the President and the Commander-In-Chief of the armed forces should be leading the effort to forge a way out of what you called current chaotic cultural and security mess. Unfortunately, his incompetence, lack of vision, and dumb handlers, are succeeding in setting us backwards for another 50 years.

Your talk of Truths and hidden faces being suddenly exposed simply shows ignorance. Nigerians have known these truths all along and also have known the people who have been robbing us blind for years. These are the same people who control the big guns and weapons, the millitary institutions, and political power. There is nothing new here.  The fools who are organizing useless conferences have no plans of defeating these powerful hostage takers nor have a clue as to how to do so.  Ponder the reasons why Soyinka in his wisdom chose to dissociate himself from the conference by shunning it. Rakumin dajij

PhysicsQED:
My issue with Abuja was that oil from underserved or ignored (by government) communities was used to construct an administrative center far awayl.

There is no doubt that the people of the onshore oil producing areas are underserved and ignored by both the federal government and their state governments. It is noteworthy however, that most of the oil revenues are generated from offshore activities.The oil rigs in the Atlantic ocean, miles and miles away from any land, is in Nigeria's waters, hence the revenues generated from offshore oil exploration is essentially commonwealth. The offshore oil belongs to ALL Nigerians and not some marginalized inhabitants of southern Nigeria.

Abuja was built with Nigeria's wealth. period.

Katsumoto:
Why are you so scared

You are with Onlytruth on this? A comment from someone (onlytruth) whose people settled communal disputes through wrestling contests when Oyo and Ibadan had some of the most advanced Infantry and Cavalry units in Africa. The first set of rifles purchased by Igbo people were the 12 rifles Ojukwu boasted about just before the start of the civil war.  

Your comments about sword swinging is ignorant at best. Yoruba had been using guns in warfare since the 17th century.

Quit trolling.

I believe you people just discovered the word "trolling", I reserve my comments this one time only because your post above is quite hilarious. As for ekt_bear, at the rate you are treading, inọ ma  mọ e ni esè méjeji.  

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=864525.msg10138686#msg10138686 date=1328577495]Like I said earlier, it is important to avoid being baited by people who are not worthy of discussing with.

Already we have had 3 or so such posters on this thread.[/quote]Stop attempting to appear as if you are smarter than the rest of the posters on the thread. They are bright enough to know what and what not to respond to.

Onlytruth:
hehehe! They think it is that sticks and stones hide and seek chasing games they were playing with themselves calling it "war". I dey laugh.
Aboki has been itching to thoroughly colonize their @sses and dip that Koran in the Lagos lagoon.
War ko, rat race ni.  

This is most unusual and borders on shamefulness, but I'm with Eze Onlytruth on this one. The hope is that this thread is not an exercise of displaying the bravery or warriorship of a particular people, because, nna, 100 sword swinging skinny soldiers are no match for a single grenade toting skillful warrior from, you know where.  

jmaine:
^

Forget all those grammer  .and face the crux of matter . . .which is the brazen insult of Elrufai . . .What  Elrufai said was utterly disrespectful and despicably brash . . . Who made him an oracle to brandish others as fools just because he feels otherwise . . .

Atimes you need to side step some of your fumes and reason objectively . . .

For all practical purposes, you sir, are a fool and reading comprehension challenged.

Some of you people may very well be fools as well. The man said "some fools at 40 or 70, and he is quite right. Fani Kayode in my view is a fool at 4o something while Clarke is one at 70 something. Deal with it.

Some of us fought for this democracy and still have scares to show for it. Why not work within the appropriate democratic and legislative avenues if you want to make a change. If you are not willing to do that, you better have a plan to forcibly topple the government. What makes many of the participants of this meeting fools, is that they think they can wrestle power away from the current government without overwhelming military or political force. SMH

Jarus:
Because Unity Bank MD did not steal N197b.

+100

Gaskiya tafi kwabo.

[quote author=musiwa,,. link=topic=863546.msg10126166#msg10126166 date=1328442650]It make logical , economy  and engineering sense to build a road from Ore to Benin. And not from calabar to benin.   Or from Oka Akoko  to auchi , than from Ogoja to Auchi or to Benin city.[/quote]Does it not make more sense to build roads from Ore to Benin and also from Calabar to Benin? What is wrong with building both?

What kind of police waits to be briefed before doing its job? SMH

NO fewer than 10 persons were yesterday injured in a violent clash in Nkpor, Idemili North local government area of Anambra state over a leadership crisis that has engulfed the community in the last four years.
Eyewitnesses said the bloody incident occurred when a group of boys armed with guns, machetes and other dangerous weapons attacked revenue collectors at the Nkpor main market. 　

Chairman of the Caretaker Committee, Mr. Chuma Chukwurah disclosed that the major cause of the lingering crisis in the communitywas the refusal of the Raphael Nnabuife- led executive to vacate office after the expiration of its tenure.

He said the community decided to set up a caretaker committee to handle the affairs of the community after a botched election late last year.

He alleged that Nnabuife, who is also the Caretaker Chairman of Idemilli North local government area, has continued to frustrate all genuine efforts to amicably settle the leadership crisis due to the huge revenue generated in the community.

The revenue, he alleged, were never accounted for, maintaining that "they have carried on as if the community is their private estate". 

Chukwurah said, "I am the authentic caretaker chairman, who was duly commissioned to run the affairs of the community but the other faction bent on frustrating all genuine efforts by the community to achieve peace went to the market and drove our people who were collecting revenue from the market.　

"Although they obeyed and left but they were ambushed by armed thugs who used all kinds of dangerous weapon on them, as we speak about six of them were severely wounded and still in the hospital. They are holding the entire community hostage because of their contacts in government".　

Nnabuife, a lawyer, said that the group claiming to be caretaker committee was not recognised by the community or government authorities. He described them as a group of "bandits" who have been troubling the peace of the community for a very long time.

He confirmed his tenure expired late last year but noted that he was reappointed to continue for another three months when the union’s election was disrupted last year.

Anambra state Police Public Relations Officer, Emeka Chukwuemeka, said that he has not been briefed on the development.   

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news/35732-10-injured-in-anambra-communal-clash.html

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=863110.msg10121206#msg10121206 date=1328375892]makaranta a Zaria.[/quote]Wusasa?

Onlytruth:
I use this opportunity to thank everyone (Easterner and non-Easterner) who honored our beloved Ikemba by staying off Nairaland just for ONE day.
The honor is PERSONAL and the idea is to give the individual an opportunity to stop talking for once but to THINK and REFLECT.
I was amazed by what I was able to think about and the conclusions I reached. I won't share it yet, but will certainly do so with time here.
Our mourning continues of course until the Ikemba is committed to mother earth.

Thank you once more, and may your own honor increase!

Here I stand.

Onlytruth, ndu di n'eziokwu 1 of Igboland, Eze Ndigbo Nairaland. 

Once again, you failed miserably!. The most respected Igbo forumites and real champions of the Igbo cause were here and did not honour your childish admonition. Some of them were advocating petitioning NASS to pass a bill to make Feb 3 a public holiday in Ikemba's honour while you were goofing off. Look for the thread, olodo. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-861515.0.html

violent:
@ndu_chucks

My arguments are not to say for certain that Sanusi must be guilty of murder.  I'm simple arguing that the truths of the events leading to the arrest, detention and eventual release of the son of an influential family while all others in the same shoes were executed, must be established.  Providing safety nets in form of a political "witch hunt" will only help to further mask the truth and ultimately obstruct Justice.

I appreciate your zeal for seeking the truth of the events. I am however concerned about how quickly you prefer to believe that Sanusi was arrested, detained, and released because he is the son of an influential family while others were executed. Do you know the reason why some of the arrested were released? Have you considered that, they may have been released because there was not enough evidence to convict them or they are simply innocent?

As to your question, was Sanusi involved in a cold murder case? You'll have my respect if you'd reserve your answer until you or Fani Kayode can prove that he is not.

@violent, I am convinced that you are a reasonable person who would agree with me that it is better in this case to err on the side of caution.

BTW, your prejudiced notion that the chances are higher for a man with religious motive and who's known to have vigorously spear-headed the campaign for Sharia law implementation, to commit murder, are higher, is not enough for you to ascertain that Sanusi is guilty of such. Lets be reasonable.

@violent, how old were you when Abacha was the head of state? Which of the statements below is more plausible to you:

[list]
[li]The arrest of Sanusi, a Kano prince, may not be unrelated to trying to silence Sanusi who had never shied away from opposing Abacha, in his own little way, back then.[/li]
[li]Sanusi is a murderer[/li]
[/list]

Answer the question with an objective mind devoid of tribalism and bigotry and you'll discover that the first item above is the most likely accurate one. The onus is on the accusers to support their accusations with facts. We all know that Abacha killed, imprisoned, maimed, and punished his opponents at will during his reign. The arrest of Sanusi, if it ever happened, is consistent with Abacha's brutality, nothing more.