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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=641092.msg8077787#msg8077787 date=1302240903]Fair enough. Just wait about 20 years to pull out the ladder from underneath me Or, alternatively if electricity starts running 24/7, then you can boost derivations from 13% to even as high as 75%, if you like. Which that running, I can find an alternate (and more lucrative) revenue resource pretty easily.[/quote]This bolded is the koko of the matter. 100% resource control is ideal, but no advanced nation including the USA allows the states 100% control. Having said that, it is impossible to simply allow the states 75 or 100% control because of the practical effect of complete chaos and decimation of a few states which could lead to war.

The tragedy of the matter is that those who are clamouring for 100% resource control are the ones championing GEJ's candidacy while ignoring the fact that he will not get us any closer to true federalism or 75-80% resource control than Buhari, whose fight against corruption would lead to the kind of development that would ultimately allow for 80 - 100% resource control.

Beaf:
Dude, I'm at pains to understand why you keep yarning OP like this. We are talking about revenue allocation, not job creation.
You have purposely come in to derail the thread.

I am sure your fishing advise will work fine for Lake Chad though, when we move to true federalism.

I'm sure you are free to ignore my post if you think I'm purposely here to derail the thread. I'm actually enjoying the discussion of the thread. I will not hesitate to offer sound/good advice to your likes if I think it will help. Now run along and build a fishing industry in the ND -  the profit from such ventures are better than monthly payments to appease oil bunkerers, thugs, and kidnappers. 

P.S. In case you don't know, the Atlantic ocean is very far away from Lake Chad, olodo

jason123:
We simply cannot fish extensively because of the spillage. Moreover, in fishing, the practice is small scale. Also, people are simply follow their fore-father's traditions so its going to be hard to tell them to leave that and go for the industrial fishing methods or techniques.
All in all, I blame our governors not Nigeria or Northerners or any other group.

It should be quite easy to convince a local fisherman who cannot catch enough fish to feed his family because of the said oil spills to become a commercial fisherman - especially if he'll catch more fish and make more money.  What is stopping local entrpreneurs from developing this industry? We know the governors are thieves.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=641092.msg8077106#msg8077106 date=1302226337][b]I'm just suggesting that 100% resource control say tomorrow will have a pretty negative impact on lots of states which don't have oil. An increase in derivation is fine; a 20 year plan to phase it out completely is fine too.[/b]But. . . don't pull out the ladder from underneath me while I'm changing the lightbulb. If you tell me I have 10 minutes to use the ladder, I can prepare.[/quote]I don't disagree with the bolded above. I'm not sure which position of mine you find unreasonable.

jason123:
You do not understand us, your fellow country men   .
Most of our fishing is done in the rivers, creeks and at max estuaries. I called it an "industry" because it was a form of substantial fishery done by a lot of people. When oil is spilled by those compaines, it affects this small water bodies and they become tars. Would you eat a fish from this:

Can you see? their livelihood has been taken away from them.
It's like killing all the cows owned by the fulanis!

Most Nigerians understand that the common people of the ND and the almajiris are the most marginalized Nigerians. We all should be ashamed of the plight of these people.  Now, your governors have received over $100billion in the past few years. Do you know how many local fishermen could have been employed if only a minute portion of the funds were used to develop the fishing industry?  You people could be supplying fish to all of Africa and beyond while employing hundreds of thousands of local fishermen.  Where does the buck stop?

Beaf:
Lol! Its so easy to talk nonsense.
Please point out your state on the map, ours (me and Jason123) is Delta. Lets know how well off you are comparatively. Don't be shy now, its a challenge.

I will not participate in your customary diversionary tactics. It is up to you and your leaders to use my suggestion to your advantage. Learn how to generate billions from the fishing industry and stop hiding behind oil spills in order to line up and collect welfare.  

jason123:
I disagree!
Most of the Niger delta depend on fishery as a source of livelihood but since the discovery of oil, this industry has been killed by oil spillage and gas flares. I agree that some of us in the Delta are lazy but we can certainly survive without Oil!

What fishing industry are you talking about? The last time I checked there has not been a major oil spill which destroyed and killed the fish in the atlantic ocean!  How many ocean going liners dedicated to fishing, crabbing, lobster harvesting do you have in the region? Which oil spillage destroyed this virgin industry as far as your region is concerned.

I think you people are better off developing in these areas than to keep depending on handouts from the government. Lazyiness is partly responsible for your demise.

Beaf:
If Nigeria splits today, where will "offshore" be? Secondly, bro, do you know the meaning of "littoral zone?"
If you call South South people lazy, what would you say about Nigeria that can't survive without free oil?

Abeg, go and sit down!

If Nigeria splits, is a BIG IF, so I will not entertain that line of thought for now. What else have you and your governors done with the billions of dollars received to date? Have you developed your agric sector, for example? No, you people were starving because of onion shortage a few weeks ago. All you have excelled in to date is oil bunkering and receiving welfare checks from primarily, offshore oil. olodo

What is GEJ's plan to cure the country of the Dutch disease?  Oshiomhole's idea is well grounded and well thought-out. Your idea that Nigeria can't survive without oil is the concept that need to be expunged from the brains of you people. Many poor welfare recepients in the USA also believe that they cannot survive without the monthly check.  You continue to forget that we ran your governments with groundnut proceeds in the past.

Let the lazy people from the so-called South South clamouring for 100% resource control be reminded that 90 - 95% of all crude exported out of Nigeria in the last 10  years is from offshore.  

Even with your 100% resource control, you will still remain poor due to your laziness and the continuous theft of your leaders such as Ibori and governors. Now, the 90% export from offshore belong to all of us, shikena!

You people who disagree with Oshiomhole appear to be narrow minded.

The game is up for the riggers of old, they are now accusing Jega of being planted by the US and CPC What a sorry excuse!

Here's the real reason why GEJ apologists are trying to discredit Jega:

Buhari, who addressed newsmen at the Benin Airport on his way to Anambra State, said the decision by the Independent National Electoral Commission, INEC, Chairman, Prof. Attahiru Jega, to postpone the election was a blessing in disguise, as it revealed the plot by the PDP to rig the election as they had allegedly done in the past.

He said during the botched National Assembly election, there were instances where the total number of voters was 1,000 but INEC sent only 300 ballot papers there, adding that upon investigation, it was discovered that INEC officials withheld the papers.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-639894.0.html

Beaf:
GEJ is my choice, you can make whatever gutter excuses you can drag up to bully me off my choice, but I'm resolute. Instead, I'll knock you out logically and philosophically.

The above said, I see your trick is to derail the thread. . . FAIL!

Why would anyone want to derail a thread which exposes such stupidity of some of you people? Nigerians a very brilliant and sharp. A person who could be tricked into nominating a INEC chairman as the thread's topic suggests, does not deserve the position of the President of our great country.   We don't need any mumu as our head of state. You are making it easier for undecided folks to write GEJ off.

@papadonkee, err you seem to hold this Miss(or Mrs or MS) Anenih is very high regards. In fact your defense of her so far has been impressive. I for one, am not so sure that this lady is not an opportunist and user, who makes it easy for people to think she is crooked.

why she still keep dat last name (after divorcing over 10 years ago) if no be say she wan use am for political (monetary) benefits? Just asking o.

A whole bunch of boondoggle projects in the making. May Buhari kill these projects.

Beaf:
Usai! I no be lawyer o!

lawyer ko, rabble rouser ni.  

In a few days, we'll have the 'rational' Beaf who we used to tame with superior arguments and assorted thrashing. The mind of the Beaf you have today has been beclouded and corrupted by desperate wish to see his tribesman become the President of Nigeria. olodo, rakumin dajij.

May I remind those who may have forgotten about Jonathan's statements on Jega's appointment:

When we nominated Prof. Attahiru Jega as the INEC Chairman, some members of our party came to me asking, ‘Jonathan do you want PDP to win these elections?‘



”They said the nominee is a radical who will not succumb to any pressure. I told them that we must work hard and as well present the best candidates because there would be no room for manipulations.



”Whoever emerges as winners of the elections at the federal and state levels, irrespective of party affiliation, shall be declared winner.”



”Whoever emerges as winners of the election at the federal and state levels, irrespective of party affiliation, shall be declared winner.”

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201006262571050

@papadonkee, I threw you a low blow but you absorbed it quite well unlike some weaklins around here. Since you are not ashamed to be associated with PDP, aren't you tired of hiding ya head since PDP messes up on a daily basis?  Would you be kind enough to give me an insider's explanation of what Jonathan used all the excess crude money to purchase? 

Na who dey actually rule naija as we speak, I no think say na GEJ at all, as per ya inside info, abeg tell me who dey control the remote.

If one person is spending over N1billion to be elected to the senate, I wonder how much he stands to gain once in the senate.

In another development, findings revealed that the three senatorial candidates of the PDP who are battling for their political relevance in the state might have lost close to N3.5 billion last Saturday alone.

According to an insider source, Senator Iyiola Omisore alone lost a deposit of N1.5 billion voted for Ife/Ijesa, his senatorial district.

Investigation revealed that when the lawmaker learnt that there would be no stuffing of ballot boxes, and that intimidation of voters might not work, he allegedly released N500 million for Ife-Central, N350 million for Ife-South, N100 million for Area Office in Modakeke and N200 million for Ife-North.

Besides, his handlers were reported to have got N400 million from him to complement funds voted for Ijesaland by Honourable Wole Oke, a House of Representatives’ candidate for Oriade/Obokun Federal Constituency.
Findings revealed that Omisore’s handlers had earlier stormed polling booths with a view to harvesting voters who would come for accreditation and voting proper by dangling N2,000 per vote at a safe distance.

Checks also showed that Omisore gave his money to his loyalists in Ile-Ife and Ijesaland with a mandate that the money should be used to purchase enough votes that could return him to the Senate; while thugs were allegedly recruited to disrupt centres that could prove hostile to his ambition.

Also, it was gathered that the people in Ife villages were threatened by some chiefs recruited by Omisore to either vote for him, or lose their farms; while residents of Ifetedo and Ilare were treated to horror film throughout the night of Friday preceding the postponed election.

Investigation revealed that Senator Isiaka Adeleke might have lost close to N800 million voted for Egbedore, Ejigbo and Ola-Oluwa Local government council areas, aside from funds made available as mobilization to some selected PDP leaders in Osun-West Senatorial distrcict.

It was gathered that Adeleke refused to be dragged into spending hugely, for he was said to have expressed fear that the popularity of Governor Rauf Aregbesola might clip the wing of the PDP in the senatorial district.

Checks further showed that the ousted governor, Prince Olagunsoye Oyinlola, was the least of the spenders, having found out that he might not make huge electoral gain from it after the elections, claiming that he was only praying that President Goodluck Jonathan wins, so that he could be given an appointment at the top.

Findings however revealed that Wole Oke gave the election a good fight with his money last Saturday before it was postponed, for he had already raised the stake to one vote for N5,000 in his constituency. It was learnt that Oke could not have lost nothing less than N1.2 billion in the process.

Very good. These rogues were planning to rig by buying votes but did not know what providence had in stock for them, they are now crying

Having heard the pronouncement of the National Chairman of Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC), Professor Attahiru Jega, that the election slated for last week Saturday had been postponed till Monday, a candidate for the House of Representatives on the platform of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), (name withheld) from Osun Central Constituency feared collapsed, shouting: “I’m finished, my money has gone”.

Investigation has also shown that the three incumbent senators in Osun State have lost about N3.5 billion as a result of the postponement; while Honourable Wole Oke, a member of the House of Representatives on the platform of the PDP single-handedly lost N800 million last Saturday alone.

However, some of the candidates of the opposition party with low deposit in the state have started gnashing their teeth, livid with anger that the election which had consumed their remaining balance was postponed when the time for voting was almost ticked.

OSUN DEFENDER which monitored the elections in one of the Federal constituencies in Osun Central Senatorial District, learnt that the news of the postponement shocked the PDP candidate that he lost control of his emotion, before he feared collapsed.

It was gathered that the candidate was revived by his wife and relatives around him, before he was asked to go and rest inside his house which was not far from the polling booth where he went to cast his vote before he got the news.
However, the wife of the candidate had stressed that his husband had been sick as a result of the stress of his political meetings which, according to her, had taken away most of his nights lately.

In the contrary, OSUN DEFENDER learnt that the candidate almost collapsed because he had lost his deposit committed to the postponed elections, for he was shouting: “I’m finished! My money has gone! Jega has killed me!”

cont'd

Alj Uche:
why can't they put a nuclear power plant in the east so as to create jobs for the youths over there

haba aboki na! Do you want to break my ribs?

Day by day, night by night, it is becoming clearer that political jobbers have infested NL. It actually could be a good thing. I dey watch una one by one.

Papadonkee, wetin be ya own position, na who dey pay lawyer fees to you? I must say, you are holding ya own - carry go.

Musiwa is probably right about his Yoruba people in Benin. This artists Kidjo is singing a song that has been song in yorubaland for ages. Its about Babalawo, though Kidjo titled the song Babalao. Please enjoy

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCWVipbM-aU?version=3[/flash]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCWVipbM-aU?version=3

This notion that Buhari rejected Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala is quite suspicious.  Other sources claim that it was Ngozi herself who turned down each offer of VP to here. Here is an account given by Ribadu:

Why Ngige, Okonjo-Iweala were dropped:
The ACN had sincerely sought for a vice presidential aspirant from the south east. This explains why it took so long before it came up with the present banker's name. Although Dr. Chris Ngige did not directly decline the offer, it was clear he had intentions to run for a senatorial seat. Ngozi Okonjo Iweala, according to Modibbo, turned down the offer.

Read the rest of the story here:  http://dailytrust.dailytrust.com/index.php?Itemid=104&id=69:its-time-up-for-jonathan-and-pdp&option=com_k2&view=item

Seun:
They could have done a poll to determine who people will vote for, but the organization behind it is committed to not being involved in politics. It was founded by the former finance minister, Ngozi Okonjo-Iyeala.

Thanks for reiterating the above point. I think their finding that 53% of Nigerians believe that GEJ is likely to win the election is very plausible and probably quite accurate. I personally believe that more than 53% of us expect the PDP to rig as usual, hence the concomitant expectation of GEJ's success at the election.

PapaBrowne:
Sai Buhari!! Sai Sharia!!
I would really like Sharia to be implemented in the South West! We need it for equity, justice and fairplay. It will help reduce crime rate. Imagine all the girls in Lagos all covered up with Hijabs!! violation and STDs would reduce dramatically!!

That's another reason we should all vote Buhari! He would hasteen the implementation of Shari!!

Sai Buhari, Sai Sharia!!!

You already have sharia courts in the SW. Don't fall into the trap of politicans who are trying to use religion as a way of keeping you subservient. You seem to be are afraid of what you don't understand. I challenge you to read the article whose link I posted above.

PapaBrowne:
But all the scenario analysis carried out by even BB supporters suggest that Buhari is not likely win the popular vote given his inability to garner enough non-northern votes! So the big question then is, when Buhari loses, how do we prevent these jobless youths you've talked about from going on rampage and killing Christians?? Don't you think this is a national security issue that should be discussed in depth??

First of all, I disagree with the bolded statement above - only time will tell which analysis is correct. I agree with you that we have a potential national security issue that should indeed be discussed in depth. If GEJ wins in a free and fair election, I don't see any reason to worry - I do not believe GEJ can win under this scenario.

In my humble opinion, if GEJ is declared the outright winner of this election, chaos and possible war may break out because of the reaction from dissatisfied youths. I hope I am wrong. The best outcome would be one that neccesitates a runoff between GEJ and Buhari - this runoff could then become our model for the future.

I don't really have much time to educated ignorant bigots who are posting rubbish here. It suffices to say that sharia courts have existed in Northern Nigeria before late 60s and early 70s when xtians and moslems lived together peacefully.

Sharia courts are currently present in several states in the SW - there are at least 8 in Oyo state. Do your research before coming here to expose your ignorance. The city of Lagos currently has a Sharia court that pertains to civil and legal matters concerning Muslims in the city, though the state does not recognise its rulings as binding, much like the Sharia court in the United Kingdom.


Interested parties can learn one or two things from this paper titled: The Institution Of Sharia in Oyo and Osun states, Nigeria 1890 - 2005  ===> http://www.sharia-in-africa.net/media/publications/the-institution-of-sharia-in-oyo-and-osun-states-nigeria/makinde-thesis.pdf

PapaBrowne:
The thing with internet polls is that majority of the voters reside outside Nigeria and wouldn't be participating in the elections!!

Indeed. More importantly, the voters who make up the bulk of the mamoth crowds at BB rallies are not included in the polls either, for obvious reasons.

I'm sure GEJ and PDP fully understand that massive rigging will not be accepted by Nigerians this time around. Note additionally that a subtantial percentage of BB supporters who show up at CPC rallies are unemployed youths, many of who cannot afford decent meals/housing, talk less fees to access the internet. These are the same or similar groups of people who have brought Mubarak and others to their knees.

Anyone who thinks the kind of revolt taking place in Libya cannot happen in Nigeria should think again. If GEJ and PDP rig this elections, even the millitary will not come to the aid of GEJ and his thieving buddies.  

When the kinds of crowd which have become symbolic of BB rallies, match to the national assembly and Aso rock, then it will dawn on these desperate politicians that, its a new day in Nigeria.  Foolish GEJ and his thieving friends may lead Nigeria to hell sai Allah ya tamaike mu.

The GEJ and PDP political jobbers are well advised to try and convince the milllions of voters, many of who cannot read or write, not to vote for the BB ticket as planned. GEJ has already lost the votes of most well meaning, internet using Nigerians.

We all know that GEJ and his gang will attempt to rig the elections because not doing so may ultimately land many of GEJ's PDP associates in jail when Buhari takes over. If the election resultd do not call for a run off or GEJ wins by a land slide, I'm afraid Nigeria may burn this time around, to the extent that the millitary may be forced to step in to conduct a more credible election.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: ndu_chucks
^^

Onye aghugho nie onwe ya emechaa ofu aka ga aputariri. When a wicked cunning man buries himself, one hand must stick out!

So now you are Igbo? LOL

Suddenly our welfare concerns you now? Suddenly, being a major decisive population block is an invitation to attack?

All you people threatening violence against us because GEJ is gradually letting us know the truth about Nigeria will fall on your own swords.

shatap dia!! Many of my relatives belong to various ethnic groups and some will suffer from any violent action against Ndigbo. These relatives are Nigerians and remain my people regardless of what bigots like you would like to believe. Olodo, rakumin dajij.

naijaking1:
The day the government identifies every of its citizen by tribe, that will be the day the true population of Igbos will become evident.

I agree with the above.

I hope the desperation of PDP, lead by GEJ to continue ruling this country, will not lead to unnecessary disaster. When I registered to vote, no one asked me for my tribe and anyone familiar with the software used to capture registration data will tell you that it contains no variable or data element used to capture tribal information. INEC has not made the registration data available to any organization for mining or other analysis. Anyone who is claiming or insinuating that the Igbos make up 40% or any other percentage of the electorate in any region is a gaddem liar and trouble maker.

It is an insult to the Igbo race to assume that the Igbos will vote en mass for GEJ. My own personal prayer is that, if GEJ must win, may his margin of victory be very thin. If GEJ wins by a landslide, I'm afraid their will be bloodshed, not because GEJ would have won, but because of the kinds of lies and missinformation being spread by PDP machinations at this moment.

My Igbo brethren need to shine their eyes very well, GEJ will make our people scape goats for his own sins. I hope GEJ handlers who are reading this, remember de tin wey our people talk, i.e. akwuru oto nuwa nwanyi ime , omuta onye anya adighi mma (if a woman is impregnated standing up , she is will give birth to a useless/wayward person ).