₦airaland Forum

@OP. The Igbos cannot leave the North and return to the East. There are more Igbos in the North than are in all of SE. Returning will results to instantaneous civil war in the East because the resources available will not be enough to sustain the population. Its that simple.

OWOLAYEMO:
Let the Hausas without exception ( Educated,Almajaris,elite,etc) knows that NO TRIBE have monopoly of violence. Other tribes too can strike and viciously !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shatap dia, internet super warrior. They have been ra.ping you people for years and you keep rolling over, you are now complaining when people with guts are saying enough is enough. The protesters did not go into a random killing spree, they burnt the houses of PDP operatives and other riggers. It is unfortunate that many innocent people became collateral damages.

Please read up on weti  e, before you come here with your holier than thou campaign against political violence.

@Kilode!, the problem with Nigeria is the system of government which is unfair to the poor in every region of the country. Spliting the country will not stop the corruption and continuous ra.ping of the poor by the few elite and other educated political barawos. 

We'd be better off restructuring the government - true federalism, state rights, weaker center, e.t.c. are much better options than spliting. Besides, there is no political will to split -  federal forces will deal with any group who is seriously trying to split the country at the moment. You people will split only when the USA and China believes that the split will not affect the flow of oil to their countries, it is impractical at this point in time.

Ystranger:
You are so wrong. People do want to split. The topic was not adequately dealt with. if it was debated and throughly discussed, you'd be shocked at the number of people who would be FOR it. To claim that people were rejected on that basis, is just being stupidddd. The election wasnt even credible, so how would you know?

The Nigerians I deal with from in all parts of Nigeria do not discuss spliting the country or show any interest in it. Those of you in diaspora are the ones who keep talking about it. None of your leaders will even bring the topic up for discussion at any level; GEJ is definitely not interested in it. There are more Igbos in the North than are in the whole of SE, do you think those people support spliting the country?

P.S., easy on the name calling, stop using words like stupiddd when there are not applicable or I'll deal with you like I'd treat a cook who screws up my Suya. olodo

hollandis:
@ndu chuks
How come you are treating the killings lightly?Sometimes I wonder this condenscending to barbarism is inherent in some of us.Please don't let me wish members of your family be caught in this mayhem.

How did you reach the conclusion that I am treating the killings lightly? Any sane Nigeria must condemn the killing of innocent Nigerians, be they at the hands of Government authorities or angry youths.

I hope you know that the pogroms were completely avoidable. It is the irresponsibility of the government and rigging PDP agents that is the root cause of the current crisis. What steps did the government take to prevent a completely predictable crisis sush as this? This is the real question. I'm beginning to wonder whether some government agents actually wanted the crisis to take place.

maclatunji:
I always laugh at people who keep on shouting: SPLIT! SPLIT NIGERIA!! SPLIT NIGERIA!!!. Want to know why? Let us assume that the country does split. Do you think that means there will be no more Igbos or Yorubas in the North? People, should speak for themselves and stop generalizing. So what would happen if the new "alien" Igbos get killed in the assumed "Northern Nigeria" State. A war between it and the newly formed "Igboland"? Don't even let us go into border demarcation and the use of River Niger and Benue.

You are making a lot of sense here. My participation in talks about spliting Nigeria has been minimal these days for I consider those talks, an academic exercise and nothing more. I've also observed that it has become an exotic topic particularly for our brothers who reside in diaspora. Here in Nigeria, no one is seriously considering that option. No one has the apetite to deal with the implications of spliting the country or even trying to split the country.

A necessary first step towards spliting the country is the convening of a "national conference". All the presidential candidates who promised to convene such a conference were rejected. The people of Nigeria do not want to split the country. We are better off managing regional crisis than spliting the country when a majority of Nigerians is not interested in doing so.

@ekt_bear, why negotiate for any of the oil in the ND region? If you want to split, let them carry their oil resources and go. The off-shore oil is what must be negotiated, any arrangement which calls for 100% control of that oil by the coastal aread in less that 300years, is dead on arrival.

naijaking1:
^^^
Mallam, what doesn't cause violent reaction for you Hausas?
---An English teacher is accused of desecrating your koran in far away Sudan, a group of dirty and hungry almajiris cause violent riots in Bauchi.
---A cartoonist make s funny drawing in far way Scandinanvia, not-so-smart Hausa youths who can't even show you Denmark on a map, cause riots in Kano.
---A miss World contest is held, no, no, Hausa boys are allergic to beautiful girls and they go on rampage again their fellow countrymen.
---An Iranian author parodies prophet Mohammed in his book, the same professional Hausa riot machines go into high gear.
----An election turns unfavorable to their candidate, then the infidels have just rigged the election, and you're here justifying the so-called violent reaction?
Since when did killing, maiming, plunder, and ra*pe become an acceptable reaction to a percieved political problem?

@Naijaking, you don start ya Maradona dribbling again, kwo? stick to the topic jor. What do Miss world, Iranian authors, a cartoonist, and a scandinavian teacher have to do with Nigerian presidential election. abi you don sha oguro ni?

Dredge the Niger river, work out a very amicable sharing formula for offshore oil, for the next 300years, and you people can go in peace. I'm pretty sure we may have to come and rescue you from annihilating yourselves with 2 years of your separation.

Truth is, when your common enemy, the boogey man, the North, is no longer in the equation, you will start killing each other off. I know it sounds weird, but its true. Why do you think their are more Igbo living in the North than in the SE? When all of ya'all are repatriated back to the SE, the Abriba type battles of old will be child's play. It may be the same story all across the SW

You southerners have colluded with the so-called leaders of the North long enough and you are co conspirators, perpetrating all types of attrocities upon the masses, ensuring that we remain uneducated. We'll we are on to you, note how the so-called leaders are being targeted. Insha Allah, we shall chase them all the way to the south where you people can keep them.

@naijaking, I'm praying that the man is found alive, and unlike you, I do not want to believe he's been killed. If he is dead, may his soul rest in perfect peace.

Having said that, only a fool would not have expected the violent reaction to rigging which we are now seeing. The elections were rigged in 2003, 2007, and 2011. Its about time we stood up to the riggers. People like you, naijaking, Beaf, and Onlytruth, should be out peacefully demonstrating against this act of rigging. Your political leaders will continue to r.ape all of us until we say enough is enough. Why do you think the protesters touched the palace of Emir of Kano, the private residence of Sambo, and houses of various people known to be intimately associated with the party of the riggers? It is unfortunate that innocent people were killed in the process. The riggers are squarely responsible for starting the flames.

@Beaf, why did you people have to rig, for crying out loudly? @Onlytruth, shatap dia, blame your riggers for the attrocities that resulted from their acts. Even a casual observer like me could predict the violence that would follow massive rigging. Shame on you people and PDP. You and PDP stooped low enough that you engaged underaged almajiris to vote for you in Sokoto and elsewhere - how in the world could GEJ have earned 40% of the votes?

Both the riggers and the fools reacting violently to the riggings are equally responsible for these heinous acts.

Kobojunkie:
From your assessment, would you say that the traders, roadside vendors, and the employed make up the majority of the uneducated? It has been my assumption for a while now that the problem up North is not necessarily a lack of education-- but lack of adequate communication channels actually reaching the uneducated, poor and disenfranchised in the North(Not that this is in anyway unique to the North). So when I read someone claim that the average uneducated Northerner(following the stats available, this group comprises majorly of the unemployed and impoverished population) it got me wondering if it is the case that the people do not want the information Channels like BBC, Radio France, VON etc. have embarked on providing them.

I believe the answer to your question in bolded text above is no, they are a substantial minority of the uneducated.

@kobojunkie, I'd agree with that statement provided the uneducated in question is limited to roadside vendors, traders, and the employed among them.

They indeed listen to BBC and other international news, religiously.
Most of the unemployed among them get their news from Imams or the streets, if they are not moslems.

Onlytruth:
hehehe! I never thought I'd ever see ndu_chucks talking about secession, even if remotely.
So, some of us are not mad afterall.

Sai one Nigeria!

Don't get excited, olodo. The point is that the North can be self sufficient without the ND oil. As a practical matter, you people are not going to secede anytime soon, you lost the war - remember? GEJ is not going to convene any national conference which could lead to the seccession of any region.

Its actually in your best interest to work closely with GEJ and ensure that you collect your due payments for harlotry voting/rigging en mass for him.


SAI ONE NIJERIA indeed.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=649536.msg8168870#msg8168870 date=1303283096]@ndu_chuks: Kind of interesting.

Access to the sea won't be too much of an issue; you just negotiate some sort of deal with your neighbors who are not landlocked. You won't be locked out of the sea by only one country. Benin Republic, the Yoruba Federation, Ijaw Republic and Igbo Republic would all be competing for your business.

Farming is good and can make good money if done at a commercial scale. But unfortunately, farming doesn't employ lots of people. You basically need to start manufacturing stuff to employ lots of people and have a happy society.[/quote]Indeed. The manufacturing sector has to be aggressively developed to make this work. The textile mills, groundnut pyramids, flour mills which have been killed can be easily resurrected in addition to manufacturing other products. The potential  for self sufficiency is there.

13volts:
@undu chucks.

I totally agree with you that the north has huge potentials in solid minerals exploration. But my doubts here is that none of theses minerals have been geologically surveyed and their extracting viability quantified. Our problem may not be oil but access to sea.

Geological surveys have taken place and the location of many of these minerals are well known. In 2009 for example, huge deposits of Phosphate was found in Sokoto http://www.tradeinvestnigeria.com/investment_opportunities/183759.htm


I completely agree with you that if the Norths were to go it alone, access to the seaports must be a well negotiated issue. Dredging of the Niger will go a long way in addressing this issue. I'm enjoying your thread because it has generated a lot of interesting conversations as opposed to those generated by many useless threads here. sanu//

PhysicsMHD:
^^^^


Where was all this indignation when Obasanjo - who could not even win in his home state - was rigged in? The North was silent then.

Sooner or later, the electorate must indicate that enough is enough, else the rigging will continue with impunity.

Beaf:
I welcome this new ndu_chucks. I really hope you can remain this positive and not seem like you have an oil radar.
Seriously though, I wholly agree that there is a lot in the North that can make the place self sustaining. I pray that GEJ opens up all those areas for you guys in the next few years.

Frankly, I have never been interested in any oil from the ND area. As far as I am concerned you guys may keep 100% of it! The offshore oil is a different matter - I believe every state has a claim to offshore oil which is located miles and miles away, where your local canoes cannot reach. 

GEJ will be my hero if he can put alot of resources into dealing with the dutch disease. Why can't we agressively develop the agricultural sector in the Northern region, why not invest heavily in mineral resources, why can't we produce a single nail out of Ajaokuta? And why can't the ND area become the fishing capital of Africa where we supply fish to every country in Africa and even abroad? This oil has turned us into a lazy lot and I hope GEJ will address this issue urgently.

GEJ's first act as our new president should be to declare a national emergency on tackling abject poverty and Almajiri phenomena in the north in the same vain as tackling the vexed environmental despoliation and modern development deficits in the Niger delta area.

[quote author=13volts ]But the drop zone is that few ever realize that the north will be noting more than a glorified Niger Republic without the SS oil proceeds. This is the point am trying to put across. A landlocked northern Nigeria used to cheap petrochemical dollers will be catastrophic.[/quote]13volts, the statement above is untrue and is indicative of your lack of knowledge about your own region. Perhaps your early education in Lagos and ND area did not cover some of the relevant issues which would have enlightened you otherwise.

The Northern region is blessed with an enormous amount of mineral resources, agricultural potential, livestock potential, which when properly developed would enable the region to become self sustaining and major exporter of assorted goods. We have the potential to be the textile capital of Africa because we can produce enormous amount of cotton very cheaply.  Dangote is already doing wonders with cement.  Remember that groundnuts from Kano along with Cocoa from the SW were the main exports which sustained the country just a few years ago.  To say that the North will be noting more than a glorified Niger Republic without the SS oil proceeds is a bunch of Balony.

The above is the kind of lies we've been fed for years by the thieving leaders who have only succeeded in enriching themselves and in providing adequate education for their own children. It is in the interest of those thieving leaders that the status quo remains, so that their oil blocks continue to generate revenues for them and their families.

@ekt_bear, stop embarassing Beaf by exposing his intellectual inadequacy. Frankly, I know Beaf enough to say that he is only pretending to be a intellectual midget this time around - i.e. unless I've been wrong all along. LWKMD

You people are jobless dullards. If you are to have any reaction to Kobojunkie, it should be one of admiration.

Has it occurred to you people that the underage voters above were organized by the PDP and that those underaged folks were the ones responsible for the unbelievable showing of Jonathan in places from Adamawa to Sokoto?

Wasn't madam goodluck seen chanting Umblerra in those places? 

koruji:
Nobody said the bolded about the first election when PDP coasted home almost everywhere up north.

I know. PDP rigged in 2003, 2007, and 2011. Its their mode of operation and they will continue to do so with impunity until YOU and I say enough is enough.

koruji:
What does the CPC mean by the following anyway:"We will not go to court, we went to court before. We will not accept anybody who emerges winner of this election”. This sounds like two contradictory statements to me. Otherwise, they are promising something else that the mind does not want to consider - are the supporters really going to look for Kashinikovs as one responded to a reporter yesterday?

Buhari said that he would not go to court on this matter because we all already know what the outcome would be. There is no Nigerian judge alive who will nullify a presidential election because of the national security implications – so why bother. The courts failed to make correct rulings in 2003 and 2007, why waste time and money on a lawsuit.

houvest:
Within a short time, he rose divinely from a dep Governor to a Governor to a VP to AgP to substantive President and a full term President-in-waiting. He led Nigeria into her Jubilee, has held the Nation together and despite few misteps has remained focussed in governance, introducing a novel interactive internet accessibility to the presidency for the first time in Nigeria if not Africa through his Facebook page. He has rolled out a realisable plan for the power sector and will soon roll out his economic blueprint. Despite all his success stories from a teacher to a DGov to Gov to VP, AgP and now President and president in waiting in a matter of years, he remains unassuming ,simple and humble, The recent wikileaks exposes have re-affirmed his sincerety. His traducers just make hasty and generic verdicts of incompetence and cluelessness without any definitive issues to point to just as a way to call a dog a bad name in order to hang it. They accuse him of attempting to bribe SNG but the leader of the group had come out to debunk it. They accuse him of not honouring a vague and unconstitutional party zoning arrangement instead of eulogising him for defending the constitution he swore to. They call him weak and fearful and forget how he fired Aondaaka, Dambazu, IGP Onovo and the entire Military and Security Command and is presently taking on the oldest and toughest cabal in black Africa. Please give it up for Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan, President and President-elect of the Federal Republic of Nigeria

We all wish our President well. We all must not sit idly bye and allow the kind of massive rigging which took place to go without protesting, peaacefully preferably.

paddy_lo, Are you aware of the fact that only PDP agents endorsed the results of the election as announced by INEC?  Anyway, here is the CPC complaints for your information:

CPC, in the petition signed by its National Chairman, Prince Tony Momoh,  and  National Secretary,  Buba Galadima,  said there was no way it could accept the results from the Southeast and the Southsouth.

It,  however, ruled out going to court over the matter, in an interview with the Hausa Service of the British Broadcasting Service (BBC). Galadima told BBC:  “We will not go to court, we went to court before.  We will not accept anybody who emerges winner of this election”.

The petition read: “The results handed down were substantially affected by massive irregularities that include the following:

• Members of the public were at most polling units intimidated and driven away from the polling units with the effect that the ballot papers were not deposited in the ballot boxes in the open view of the public.

• The ballot boxes were on account of the above, thumb-printed with multiple votes in favour of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) at the election with one compromised voter thumb-printing multiply for the presidential candidate of the PDP at the expense of other candidates of the opposition parties.

• Votes were recorded for the voters that were not personally in attendance at the polling unit and in most cases at the polling units other than the ones to which the voters were allotted with the effect that the ballot boxes were stuffed with fingerprint impression of voters whose biometric data do not relate to the polling unit in respect of which the ballots were cast.

• Opposition voters were directly and indirectly kept away from polling units through threats of force, violence and death in consequence of which they were disenfranchised by act of threats and intimidation in the applicable zones.

• There was clear absence of accreditation of voters in most of the polling units and the regulated procedure for the conduct of the election was as a result violently breached to the advantage of the PDP at whose instance the ballots were massively thumb printed in clear disregard of the number of registered voters and voters register on which account there was eventually no commensurate correlation between registered voters, accredited voters and eventual record of the cleared result.

“There is strong suspicion, supported by reasonable grounds, that the Excel Programme installed in the computers of INEC across the nation was deliberately designed to shortchange the CPC. This can be attested to by the unfolding situation in Katsina and Kano states where the manual calculation of the result reveals that our party was shortchanged by hundreds of thousands of valid votes when the results were manually reviewed’’.

The CPC made a four-point demand from INEC, including cancellation of Southeast and  Southsouth results.

The party said:  “The CPC in consequence of the above, humbly appeals to the chairman to:

“Order the respective Resident Electoral Commissioners (RECs) and such other custodians of all Presidential Election documents, (including statement of result, ballot papers and voters’ registers which are returned to the commission by the returning officers) to produce them to be analysed in line with our allegations on multiple voting, alien voting by voters not registered at the polling unit and proxy voting.

“Investigate the allegation of manipulation of Excel Application Programme installed in the field of computers of INEC deliberately designed to favour PDP and shortchange CPC.

“Order for the cancellation of the results handed down from the Southsouth and the Southeast in the event the investigation revealed the substantial confirmation of the alleged breaches.

“Order for concurrent manual re-calculation of the results across the country alongside with the Excel Application calculation.

“Based on credible information received and intelligence reports in the areas

mentioned, we formally write to reject the entire results presented from Cross

River , Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Bayelsa, Delta, Edo; Abia, Anambra, Enugu and Ebonyi, states.

“Others include Ekiti, Ogun, Osun, Lagos , Sokoto, Kaduna , Jigawa, Gombe,

Yobe, Zamfara, Adamawa, Nasarawa states and FCT.

“We, therefore, appeal that you demand the ballot papers and result sheets as collated from these zones and states for scrutiny in the interest of peace, prosperity, free, fair and credible elections.

“We recall that on Sunday April 17, because of reports we received, we issued a press statement that we would accept only collated results from polling stations.

“What is being exhibited to the world is not collated from polling units but from the state headquarters where a lot of manipulations, we believe, had taken place.”

Read the rest here ===> http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news/3486-cpc-demands-cancellation-of-southeast-southsouth-results.html

The accusations laid down are not frivolous and must be investigated. I agree that violence is not the answer, but I certainly understand the reaction of the disenfranchised protesters in the North. Getting 40% of the votes in sokoto and winning in adamawa defies all logic - rigging is the only rational explanation for this.

You stated, "honestly Buhari was lucky to even get 1 vote in alaigbo. . .goodluck is fanatically supported by the igbos". With due respect, this is a very ignorant statement.

@Onlytruthlies, I dey kampe. Enjoy your gloating, olodo.

I'm happy that Nigeria conducted the best organized presidential election in our history and I congratulate Jega for his heroic acts.

My disappointment is that PDP decided to rig blatantly causing the electorate in the North to be enraged. PDP officials should have known that the elections were for the taking when the CPC/ACN merger talks collapsed.

Violence is not the way to address the rigging issues, lets go to court and show some civility, despite the fact that we all know what the outcome of the lawsuits will be. The methods used for the riggings must be exposed so that we can take preventive measures in 4 years.

We must give the President our full support because the future of our children and grand children is at stake. We hope the cluenessness exhibited by GEJ in the past 12 months or so were simply due to inexperience.

As for you, Onlytruth, you have your Igbo presidency, so lets not hear about this issue until at least 2024. dalu o.

[quote author=EzeUche_]Ungrateful bastarrrds! Look at those roads! While Port Harcourt and other Niger Delta cities have bad roads. I spit on all of them![/quote]Blame the state governors of the region for road conditions in PH and other ND cities. They've received billions of dollars, yet they continue to ignore providing good roads.