₦airaland Forum

RichyBlacK:
Please allow me to just chip in that Nigeria has the most useless government in our solar system. Thank you.

Please allow me to state that the members of the Nigerian government are not aliens from Mars or the Moon, but Nigerians like yourself. What has been your participation in the government? If you've been on the sidelines and have allowed the so called useless government to continue to rule you without protesting, what does that make you? A useless citizen?

FACE:
If there is no provision in the Constitution to enable Jonathan becoming acting president, what legal standing would your fictitious (mainly in your mind) "committee" have discussing that possibility? O.K, lets assume you are correct, are you trying to say that the SS committee members are in the majority, Dan Iska duru -uwa dan tselewa mahukaci  (you probably think you have a monopoly to expletives, just like your murderous knife wielding brethren, banzan yaro iska) ? 

e be like say you sef get some ting in common with the great Zik of Africa, given the way you are attempting to knack hausa.

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FACE:
I am from the SE, Umuahia to be precise and I have defended people from all corners of Nigeria. I believe in equity and know where I stand on issues. Just because I have said that Jonathan should act if Yaradua is unable to does not automatically make a Bayelsan or Alamieseigha my governor.

ngwanu, I admit prematurely jumping into the conclusion that you are from the Niger Delta area. I apologize for that - there is nothing inferior about being from the Niger Delta by the way.

FACE:
I believe in the following and I would like to know where you stand:

1. Full resource control with 20% tax to the centre (loose federation)
2. State of residence rather than state of origin
3. Equal opportunity and merit in place of quota system and federal character
4. Freedom of worship (no state religion)
5. Smooth transition of power without ethnic bias

1. Full resource control with 20% tax to the centre (loose federation)

Some sort of federation is in order with full resource control and an appropriate amount of tax.  I would however exclude oil and gas resources discovered, drilled, and marketed, with the financial resources of  Nigeria.  I'd be OK with 100% control of newly discovered oil, as long as the states used their own resources to discover the oil.  All existing oil will remain the property of the federal government. All offshore oil found and not yet found must remains the property of the federal government.

Lazy south/south states that have invested absolutely nothing, should gain nothing from existing oil wells.
 
2. State of residence rather than state of origin

I'm 100% in agreement with this.

3. Equal opportunity and merit in place of quota system and federal character

I'm 100% in agreement with this.

4. Freedom of worship (no state religion)

I'm 100% in agreement with this.

5. Smooth transition of power without ethnic bias

I'm 100% in agreement with this.


So you see, we are not very far apart as you initially though.

udezue:
Let them vote and lets see if minority vote against Goodluck can defeat the will of the majority. silly.
U act like the North is willing to let Jonathan take over. What happened to the retarded rotational presidency?

Let them vote to do what? We don't even have an impeachment proceeding in progress. Do you think that we have a parliamentary system of government in Nigeria or are you simply ignorant?

udezue:
Pure nonsense.

Only a fool will believe that SS senators alone have the might to stop Jonathan from getting sworn in. If they had such power in the Senate Ressource control and many laws favoring the us would have been in passed with or without the North.

Your statement is very naive. You have no idea what egunge from south/south governors in collusion with south/south senators and others can do.

mikeansy:
Nduchuks don't tell me you don't know that Yar'adua has been violating section 145 of the constitution in the last 60 days.

It requires him to write a letter to the National Assembly if he is going on vacation of any kind or for any reason can't do his job. In a serious country with a truly effective Senate if he does not do that they will not be begging him in the media to do it. They will immediately start a process to impeach the President for gross misconduct based of section 143 for refusing to adhere to section 145.

mikeansy, your attempt at informing us that Yar'Adua has violated section 145 is frankly juvenile and elementary. Please re-read the same section 145 you quoted, and note that the statement "Whenever the President transmits to the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives that he is proceeding on vacation or e.t.c" is not the same as "The President must transmit or the President is required to transmit to e.t.c"

Please don't waste your time on this non issue. The senate may find other reasons to impeach Yar'Adua, but the reasons will not include violation of section 145 of the constitution.

Your conclusions are simply dead wrong. olodo.

Dede1:
It is unfortunate that every political move instigated by Ijo always states and ends with crude oil. The truth must be told to Ijo that they neither own crude oil nor the piece of estate the crude oil is struck.

If all the oil wells are aggregated according to the domain of ethnic groups, the Ijo people will be highly disappointed that their so-called northern Nigerian masters and Ijo political leadership have been feeding them with crap about crude oil deposit in the jungle called Nigeria.

At the risk of being labelled a divide and rule advocate, I regretfully have to agree with Dede1 here. The most unfortunate thing is that, most of the readers of Dede1's post, will neither get the point being made, nor understand the implications of the statement.

df2006:
foolish mumu, shehu, aboki, your time is coming, enjoy as much as you can now, your time is coming, infact  it has already started, you are not deaf you heard what happened in jos!

df2006, please crawl back into the hole from which you were just expunged.  Learn how to express yourself before making entries like a dimwit on NL. olodo. What does the happenings in Jos have to do with the topic of this thread?

By the way, who the heck is Shehu? Has the character named Onlytruth succeeded in confusing your gullible mind?

FACE:
Ndu_Chuks, "yes" or "no", should Jonathan be the president in acting capacity already ?

What a dumb question! You don't get to become the acting president simply because people think you should. You get to become the acting president based on what the constitution says - it is not surprising that lawless people like you and other criminal organizations like MEND do not believe in the rule of law.

Most people would rather that we had an acting president than one that is in absentia - unfortunately wishes cannot make this happen.

Ibime:
Mugu, how many seats does South South hold in the senate as compared to the North?. . . answer correctly and win a prize! 

Im sure you get the point. . . if you dont, lemme spell it out for you. . . if the Northern Senators really want Jonathan to take over, there is nothing SS senators can do about it. . . by sheer weight of numbers, the North can pass (or deny) any resolution they want in the senate. . . they should stop treating the Nigerian people like illiterates. . .

FACE:
You would not get a clear answer from him.

Is it possible for 18 people to dictate to 90 others ? If it is possible, how come they are not able to dictate when it comes resource control and other national issues ?

I have been wasting my time trying to have a reasonable discussion with you people. Your statements above makes one think that you are simpletons and ignoramuses.   Let me inform you that there are house/senate rules that must be followed and several motions voted upon before an issue is finally brought to the full senate for debate and voting.  Specifically, there are committees that must first agree to table issues for discussions in the commitees befores the issues can ever be tabled on the full floor for debate. If you don't know that a handful of senators can stall procedings, then you people are not very bright.

Here is your homework: go and find out which south/south senators belong to the commitees responsible for initiating the actions that could make Jonathan the acting president. Once you have that answer, things will be clearer to you. It is not enough to wish your points away, you need to know the facts.

FACE:
I have noticed that divide and rule is Ndu_Chuks' method of operation and it wont work. He always tries his best to instigate hatred amongst SS & SEners and creating non existent animosity . You gotta call a dog a bad name in order to hang it don't you ?

Divide and rule is the new keyword that you people are using to support your denials, ko? Continue to bury your heads in the sand, until kudunkudu(or guluso - that ant-like creature that walks backwards that lives in the sand) gouges your eyes out. I noticed that people like Dede1 have come to offer you moral support on the one hand, while  calling you people idiots and fools on the other.  Serves you right.

Your dear governor Diepreye Alamieyeseigha is currently praying that the court compel the Federal Government and the National Assembly to reinstate him as the governor of the state. I suppose pointing out that that man is a thief that belongs in jail will be tantamount to using a divide and rule tactic on you. Dan tselewa!

@Wily+Wily, what will be the location of you suicide when your favourite daughter elopes and marries a hausa-fulani man?

Onlytruth:
What about section 145?
Section 141 provides for a president and a vice which were both sworn into office same day.
In my view, even if the constitution is vague on this issue (which it is not), there is what is called legislative intent of every law. What did the writers of this constitution have in mind when they decided to provide for a president and a vice?
That is really the issue.

What are the specific violations of section 145?  You talk of legislative intent, well, that applies to laws made by the legislative branch. We are talking about the constitution here and not any particular law.

I'm sure you've read section 145, so I await your itemization of Yar'adua's violations.  Most people agree that Yar'Adua should have notified  authorities of his extended absense to make way for an acting President. He is not required by the constitution to do so, is he?

@Ibime,  divide and rule ko, gather and worship ni.  na people like you dey worship Alams the crooked ex gov when he escaped imprisonment in the UK.  shine ya eyes, olodo.

Here's an extract from the article:

According to a source, “What is happening now is a complete mess; tomorrow, we are going to let the whole world know that some senators from the South South are frustrating moves to hand over to Jonathan”. He said “what we learnt is that two governors from the South South are vehemently opposed to Jonathan taking over, in addition to a former governor from the zone who is also against the hand over but we must resolve this tomorrow”.

Onlytruth:
What if I tell you that we want the constitution to work as written? Would that be asking too much of your folks who are hell bent on keeping power?

I hope you are not attempting to misinform us again. Pray tell, what constitutional provision has Yar'Adua violated to date?

Onlytruth:


No relax I meant the real aboki - friend, enyim, got it?

You think we gain anything by doing that? That's silly and you know it. We prefer Jonathan, but I won't tell you why.

biko, enlighten us. Why would you prefer Jonathan to, let's say, Ojukwu or anyone else? No need to be afraid to answer, you are safe, for now.

^^^

How are we sure you people and your ilk are not the ones bribing the south/south senators into working against Jonathan. One can't put anything past you secessionists.

One hopes you are using aboki as a term of endearment here - I recall that when you people say aboki, you really mean Ewu.

Why would the state governors from the South/South be against handing over the presidency to Jonathan?  I invite comments that can shed some light on this issue.

While Nigerians await the final decision of the Senate over the continued absence of President Umaru Yar’Adua, senators from the North are blaming their colleagues from the South South of frustrating moves to hand over power to Vice President Goodluck Jonathan. The Senate will tomorrow take a decision on how best to tackle the constitutional crisis thrown up by the continued absence of Yar’Adua in the event of none transmission of a letter to the National Assembly. It was learnt, weekend, that some senators who were said to be insisting on compliance with the constitution to hand over to Jonathan accused senators especially from the South South for bowing to pressure from their state governors not to support the handover.

Read the rest of the story here:

http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7824:northern-senators-accuse-ssouth-colleagues-of-frustrating-hand-over-to-jonathan&catid=85:national&Itemid=340

One can't help but wonder whether Sanusi did not overreact when he proclaimed that some of the sacked CEOs should be shot.

These numbers are staggering! Over $4billion in liquid instruments and hundreds of choice properties, most of which were allegedly aquired illegally

Naijaking, I hope you are reconsidering your unconditional support for Madam Ibru.

JNdupu:
More questions:

Chei, Biafra is landlocked oh? They must now pay tax to Niger Delta to use Port , Make we go grab Portharcourt by force, wey my ogbunigwe?
Islamic Republic don grab Kainji and Shiroro and dey wan build anoda dam for R Niger , We no gree oh, wey my shakabula?
All those fine fine houses we build for Abuja come land Middle Belt , Chei, We no gree oh, wey my machete?
Edo people dey cry because Ijaw go pepper there yansh and dey no go ever see oil money , chei, wey my bindiga?
Anioma must grab capital for Niger Delta, but una no get oil , na lie, god punish una, wey all the kill-and-go?
All non-Oduduwans must vacate Lagos , oya wey de Agbekoyas?

See - fight don start.

People wey no sabi how to control traffic for their home towns or how to line up for petrol queue without wahala, dey here dey design new nations.



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Onlytruth:
By the way where are all your northern brothers? I thought the north is more populated than the south? Why do northerners make up about 2% of nairaland?

How did you arrive at this 2% number, Mallam Statistician? Your northern brothers are otherwise preoccupied with managing your likes and rulling you people to submission.

On a serious note, you have to agree that Abagworo's post is very reasonable.

Abagworo:
you guys dont get it.the fight is actually among politicians.an inflated population has in no way affected the life of the ordinary northerner.we are all suffering.if kano receives more allocations,the governor gets richer while majority remain beggars.

Katsumoto:
Are you being intentional naive to think that the radical change which all of Nigeria needs will come from that rotten bunch in Abuja. Can a bad tree bear good fruit? Please make practical suggestions in light of our historical antecedents.

SapeleGuy:
What incentive is there for beneficiaries of rigged elections to sanitise a corrupt system.

Where we have contacted them as in the current constitutional crisis, they have 'wisely' asked us to pray very very hard.

It is arrogant to think people don't contact their representatives.

Katsumoto & Sapeleguy, I'm afraid that you are falling for the trap set by the "rotten bunch in Abuja" as you put it.  The frustration and hopelessness you exhibit here is exactly what these people are counting on.  The good news is that, many progressives and young minds - several of whom reside in diaspora like you are returning home to take back their birthrights.

If you people want to make a change, come home and do the battle, aliens from Mars will not do it for you. As long as you decide to remain hopeless and do nothing about your condition, these people will continue to r.ape you and your resources at will. If you believe in a revolution, you need to come home and lead the revolution.

You stand a better chance at making a difference from within.

@Onlytruth, your tribalism appears to be pathological. I can't help you with that problem. You tribalism and c.ockyness will not let you see reason in Abagworo's post. When you are prepared to discuss issues rather than personalities and egos, I'll be here. Ogbanje, onye ocha.

Katsumoto:
That is the case, why is Sharia causing problems these days?
What are Northern muslims doing to fight the wrong perception of Northen muslims and Sharia?
Do you agree that something must change or give if Nigeria is to continue as one nation. Waiting to fight secessionists may be too late.
You have often argued that the problems in Nigeria are caused by the political elite and I agree with you. What do you think is the solution to these problems and issues caused by a few. If Nigeria is to remain one, do you agree action must be taken by both Northerners and Southerners? If so, what action do you think that the Northerners will take?

I ask these questions because you often challenge angry and frustrated Southerners who talk about secession but I am yet to witness you offering solutions.

Katsumoto, you are quite correct that I challenge angry and frustrated people who talk about seccession. These people have not learnt anything from the last seccession attempt that resulted in the death of millions of Nigerians. They, in their simplistic manner, call for seccession without giving much thought to the details and ramifications of such acts.

I believe that the status quo is unacceptable. We need to review the constitution and design a better federal system, one that is unlike any other in the world, given the uniqueness of Nigeria. Well meaning Nigerians have already submitted proposals for the next set of constitutional amendments. 

The process has already begun and well meaning Nigerians should find a way to influence the decision makers instead of running arround like failed husbands calling for divorces, instead of tackilng difficult but solvable problems. Many of these seccessionists don't even know the names of their Senators or Reps., let alone, how to contact them.

I challenge you to contact your senator or rep, discuss your concerns with him, and let us know his/her point of view.

SapeleGuy:
I respect your honesty and pragmatism. We are not one country. Allowing sharia law in a secular nation was the straw that broke the camels back. That singular act confirmed that we are not one.

You need to educate yourself a bit, sharia has been practiced in the north without problems since 1960's at least.

Onlytruth and the other ignoramuses attacking me without making any point, please read the following voice of reason by a sensible Igboman:

Abagworo:
you guys dont get it.the fight is actually among politicians.an inflated population has in no way affected the life of the ordinary northerner.we are all suffering.if kano receives more allocations,the governor gets richer while majority remain beggars.

Your tribalism has made you blind - what a pity!

Onlytruth:
ndu_chuks shame on you. Stop confusing people with fake Igbo name here.
What is wrong with Musa, or Ango, or Dikko,

Show your intelligence by focusing on issues rather than personalities, tribes, or anonymous user names. apo'da, as opposed to olodo. (meaning painter    )

@revolt, you need a refresher course in US history.  Find out why they had a civil war, who lost/won, and how the country was recomposed after the war. Find out how the most marginalized group of people in the USA fought their way to occupy the position of the President of the USA.  You'll note that no one gave them the position, just like no one will give an Igbo man the Presidency in Nigeria - the interested Igbo man will have to fight for the job. He'll have to negotiate with the rest of the southerners and convince them that Fashola, or some other Ijaw man will not make a better President come 2015.

@Mariory, cantell : simpletons of a feather flock together.  dan tselewa.


@Onlytruth, why are you obsessed with revealing my name here? What if you found out that your compound, if you have one, is right next door to mine?   

presido1:
The same Abe was the minister when they sent JTF to the creek and stationed them there how come they can't do same in the troubled region of the North.

I think the mission was very clear when JTF were sent to the creeks. I'm not sure that anyone in government is quite ready to nip this religious violence affair in the bud.

Beaf:
Ok, now I understand. . . So its ministers and govt running around and killing Middle Belt Christians and Southerners in Jos! Wonderful!

You've started your maradona dribbling and twisting again, ko? Criminal elements exist in every society and it is the responsibility of the government to protect its citizens from these criminal elements by taking appropriate actions.

Onlytruth:
^^^

Sounds so much like the 1950s and 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s  

When would you address these ndu_chuks instead of fears of disintegration?

It is the incompetence and inaction  of the current government that is causing these senseless killings to reccur. They have the recommendations as to how to handle the issue.

Interestingly, the Minister of Interior who was responsible for dealing squarely with this issue is non other than a hausa man, Major General Godwin Abbe, former Military Governor of Akwa Ibom State.

any semblance of de breakup of naija, or talk of seccession dey sweet some people too much for here. for some of these people wey i no go name now, if dem hear the word "seccession", na woman voice wey dey talk say "come take 2 rounds for free" wey dem dey hear. dan iska kawai.

Onlytruth:
So, ndu_chuks, you can't even begin to imagine how I or my people feel. To have stood up and fought against something and yet you ended up in it 40 years after.
And your type is still not showing any signs of change of mindset.
You will have yourself to blame when Nigeria finally collapses.

With your attitude, if Nigeria does not collapse, you stand to gain nothing for yourself and your people. You'd be well adviced to assume that Nigeria will not collapse and do everything in your power to make a positive contribution for coming generations. That is what Ojukwu is doing by participating fully in politics. I don't hear him and the rest of your leaders like Soludo, Kalu, and others sharing your doomsday views.

[quote author=ijaw_girl link=topic=382952.msg5336629#msg5336629 date=1263767694]hmm if I was Haitian, I wld take it
It is a peaceful and stable country and they speak french.[/quote]wow an Ijaw gal. Tebra

Onlytruth:
You mean the cabal that refused the vice president his constitutional right to power?
The last time I check, the cabal is purely northern.
So, try another lie.

You are in denial. Your denial is a neccesary fuel to perpetuate your tribalistic activities. Even your dear Ojukwu, Ibori, IBB, OBJ, and countless others are part of the cabal.

Onlytruth:
So, ndu_chuks, tell me and the whole world why Nigeria is a terrorist state today?
Tell me why our vice president can't stand in as acting president until our president returns?
Tell me the education statistics of northern Nigeria today after 40 years rule?

Onlytruth, when are you going to get it in your skull that the cabal responsible for the demise of Nigeria come from North, East, West, and South?

Let me refer you to a thoughtful post by a thoughtful Igbo, abagworo. Try to see what this reasonable and detribalized nairalander is saying, olodo.

on a second thought,i think we have all been arguing stupidly.if niger delta is igbo,we gain nothing.if niger delta is ijaw,we cannot gain.if niger delta is efik still no gain.the so-called hausa and yoruba that are in control of the oil is a big lie.we are all suffering in naija.come to think of it,the northerners are the poorest nigerians.

the truth is that a few individuals are holding the rest of nigeria to ransome.these same people incite hatred and tribalism as a form of checks and balances.we need to rise up and oppose all these rubbish.

Beaf:
What will they do? Issue another 7 day ultimatum, only to deny it?
The moment chaos looks immiment in Nigeria, anything can happen. The US has already warned several times, that it might intervene militarily in Nigeria in a way that will not be in Nigeria's interest. If we don't get our act together, what will anybody do if the US comes in to "secure the oil"? For one thing, if the US comes, they will very likely find support, because our very own army has been using its "fellow Nigerian" as target practice; this includes wiping out 50 communities since 1998 and such dastardly actions as attacking women and children who were at a festival in merriment, with helicopter gunships and shelling from the ships at sea. I don't see the what effect of the Nigerian government not 'welcoming US "poke nosing"' will have.

If a US invasion actually happens, (the invasion may not be necessarily bad for Nigeria) I wonder what the Chinese response would be.