₦airaland Forum

I'd be curious to find out what would come out of a "Nairaland Sovereign National Conference" -   A mock SNC where internet warriors would discuss in detail, topics that they deem fit for inclusion in the agenda of the real conference.

My bet will be placed on the woeful failure of such a conference. I hope forumites can prove me wrong!

My initial contribution to the conference would be as follows:

(1) Scrap the federal character nonsense.

(2) Any citizen who takes up permanent residence in any state for a period of 6 months automatically becomes an indegene of that state.

(3)Elementary education will be mandatory, with jail terms for parents who do not send their children to school.

(4)Allocation of federal revenues to states will be tied to revenues generated by the states themselves.
(for example; if according to revenue sharing formular a state's share is N1billion per quarter, the state only gets 50% of that; additional funds will be in the form of matching funds -  thus the state gets additional N500m only if she generates an equal amount of revenue from tourism, taxes, or any other means.

(5)Each state should be responsible for its own police force.

(6)20year jail term with hard labor for anyone caught romanticizing the breakup of the country.

(7)Erect 2 national monuments for the fallen heros of the civil war; one in Enugu and the other in Kaduna. 

make i stop for now. i hope say people get sense of humour wey enable dem to smile after reading number 6.  we no fit hide from ourselves, when nigeria dey play soccer match na him una dey sabi say we be one. every single one of you people get worked up when watching the eagles play.  na because of de nigerian in you people.

We are the envy of all Africans, we shine for good and bad all over the world, WE ARE NIGERIANS. The greatest people on earth!

Do we have any leader(s) that can organize this conference in a specially moderated thread?  we go see whether people na empty barrels making noise dey here, or whether dem fit pull this ting off.

P.S. You'd be surprised how many senators and reps are nairalanders. 

Beaf:
No, no!
It won't have anything to do with politicians or parties. It will be a grassroots thing, with the people choosing those who will truely represent their interests.
The only problematic bit might be, the mode of choosing the representatives. It will need to be above board (maybe the methods employed for MKO's election could be used).

Don't make me laugh, my brother. SNC a grassroots thing in Nigeria?  most people dey hungry you want make dem organize grassroots operation.

Katsumoto:
But why is that? Why can not there be a peaceful break-up if some groups want it? What is the point of keeping Nigeria one at all cost? Can we know do a show of hands? Who wants to remain in Nigeria? who wants to opt-out? I strongly believe that all options must be on the table. I am not advocating for the break-up of Nigeria because I believe in Nigeria and its uniqueness but I believe that if some groups want to opt-out, then that option should be there if the discussions at the SNC do not go their way. After all, Czechoslovakiaroke up peacefully.

A peaceful breakup of Nigeria is impractical. The people who have real power in Nigeria (so-called owners of Nigeria), who are from North, South, East, and West, will never agree to give up that power peacefully. They'll rather fight another war.   Anyone that does not understand this is truly ignorant.  

The best we could hope for is to take our country back piecemeal.  These owners of Nigeria are also counting on the fact that those of you who can oppose them will never unite because of tribalism.  These owners are winning - just read the posts in this section.

OAM4J:
That to me means postponing the evil days. If the foundation is wrong, whatever we build on it can not stand the test of time.

Some see the glass as half empty while others see it as half full.  I'm afraid I don't share your dooms day scenario.

OAM4J:
Any meaninful discussion must include all options. We must start from do scratch. The 1st question must be - Do we want to live together? If yes how? and on what terms? Only then can we experience sincere progress.

A SNC will not happen anytime soon as long as people insist on including discussions on breaking up the country.  It may be better to start with discussing how to live together peacefully and with equal justice for all.  We've already fought a war to keep Nigeria one.

The smart thing to do, in my view, is to negotiate, rather than try to dictate a suicidal agenda.

Beaf:
How can a [b]Sovereign [/b]National Conference have exclusions?

One word - expediency.

Katsumoto:
I know you have often alluded to being from the North, so I will ask this question. Don't you think Nigeria would have been better off, if the Northern elites had pursued programmes of educating their people? I am of the opinion that the Northern elites have held their people back so that they can use them to do their bidding.

I am not tribal-bashing here; just asking what your thoughts are on this.

The most marginalized people in nigeria are the commoners of the Niger Delta area and the Almanjiris of the North. The leaders who are responsible for the said disgraceful marginalization are from the Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western part of Nigeria.  The earlier we realized that most of the current crop of leaders we have in Nigeria including Governors, Ministers, LG officials are nothing but thieves, the better off we'll be.

I cannot completely disagree with your postulation.

I wonder whether Nigerians of the eastern extraction could be open to the idea of a "Sovereign National Conference" where serious issues could be ironed out, but a conference which excludes any discussion of breaking up the country?  I believe progressives in the North are quite open to the idea of federalism and we could discuss how to accomplish "true" federalism in such a conference.

Millions of lives were lost during the civil war to keep nigeria one,  and anyone that believes that Nigeria will breakup peacefully this time, should think again.  

make i go come.

eziachi, make you kuku renounce ya nigerian citizenship, stop visiting dis nigerian forum in protest, and change ya name to gordon. olodo

darkey:
If it is true, then we should be looking forward to an interesting time come 2011 but like Ibime said, Fashola should be on top

fashola no fit dey on top of de ticket for 2011 because all political parties agree say na south go rule for 8 years, followed by north for another 8. de ribadu/fashola ticket meet de requirements of de agreement. maybe dis ticket go deal a death blow to pdp as far as presidency dey concerned.

@beaf, i understand ya feeling about tinubu but i no tink say ribadu fit become puppet to tinubu. i like de ticket.

Nchara:
Ndu,


My response you quoted was for Sjeazy8. I replied your afterwards

Nchara, apologies. abeg no vex.  na mistake wey i make.

Andre Uweh:
An Igboman from the south-south will be alright for me. Such a candidate will serve the interest of South-south and south east.

why igboman from south south go better pass ogoni man from south south. na which intrinsic, political or intellectual superiority wey igboman from south south get, wey ogoni man no get?  i dey wait for ya analysis.

Nchara:
Do you not know that Tinubu rigged him in? Do you think it is only PDP that rigs election? How many Igbos do you think will vote for Fasola in 2015 in a free and fair election when they also want to rule then? Then you must be even more naive than I thought.

stay focused. abeg make you no read meaning wey no dey for my post. i simply asked you simple question - if you fit vote for dat party wey i describe, simple yes or no would have been sufficient.

how gou go say i dey naive because i ask you simple question wey go help me understand ya point of view?  

abeg, you fit name any office holder wey him party no rig election? if you fit, name dem abeg.

Nchara:
Tribe matters to almost all Nigerians and we should be honest enough to admit this. So people like Fasola, or any other Yoruba, will only be ruling in their dreams in present-day Nigeria, until others have had their turn.

i gree say tribe matter to almost all nigerians, but de agreement wey political parties make na to rotate between north and south, no be rotation by tribe.

if one political party present fashola for president and ribadu as vice president for 2015; you fit vote for dat party?

mikeansy:
NDU_CHUKS

I don't know whether the next President of Southern Origin will come from the South East as there is also South South to contend with. But I do know that it will surely not come from SouthWest as you guys have already had your own 8years with Obasanjo.

so the next time Fashola might make it to the Presidency is probably 2047

de point wey i dey try make una see be say, if de said agreement go remain, all political parties go produce candidates from south, pdp fit produce south south candidate, ac fit produce south west candidate, while apga fit produce south east candidate and so on.

after dat, na fight to finish to determine who go win. nobody go automatically give una president from south east.  i believe say north, fit even rally around person like goodluck in 2015 sef.  soludo don already dine with de devil, so no show for soludo.

personally, i no care whether na fashola, a south eaterner, south southerner, or a northerner become president  for 2015, as long as de person dey qualified and fit for office. tribe no matter to me.

[quote author=Chapelle.S link=topic=363141.msg5067163#msg5067163 date=1260208302]@ndu_chucks

Read this news from Daily Independent today.

Succession Intrigues : Don’t Count On Us, M’Belt Tells North[/quote]na political posturing wey middlebelt dey make. i believe say in de end,  power go transition according to constitution.

by de way, if goodluck call news conference and announce to de whole world say him no get any interest whatsoever to become president and tender resignation;  nobody fit force am to stay.

if dat happen people go make noise and  troops go silence dem in de name of national security and protecting de constitution - and another northerner go emerge as president in 3 months.

i no tink say goodluck go resign, but if he does, and tell us say him no want de job because him wan go retire peacefully with his family, nothing whatsoever go happen.

Beaf:
^
After the way some have behaved over this "our turn" issue (witness the disgrace in PDP Katsina), its time to put a nail in the coffin of rotation. Let the best man rule us, if Jonathan takes over and turns out to be good, why should he not continue beyond 2011?

Is it good governance or "turn by turn" that will develop the country and put meals on our tables?

on dis point, i completely agree with you. as a practical matter however, i no tink say all de political parties wey make de agreement go change am. south don get their own 8 years under obj, so north go demand their own 8 years.

maybe after north complete their own 8 years, we go fit scrap de agreement. time will tell.

[quote author=Chapelle.S link=topic=363141.msg5067046#msg5067046 date=1260207319]@ndu_chucks

We need John Nash(the maths professor of games theory portrayed in the movie the beautiful mind) to come and solve the present political equation.How I wish TB Joshua will seeinto our future! We are not sure that Yar'Adua will finish his tenure.It is only providence that will see him thru.Surely Nigerians will be the greatest foolish people to have ever inhibited this planet to elect him for a second tenure if he survives this one.If he eventually serves out his tenure,another president of Northern origin will emerge and that will be dangerous for Ndi Igbo.If he is strong he will perpetuate himself for eight years as the norm of 2nd tenure in democratic nations for consolidation of his policies. that is one premise.If Yar'Adua resigns,Goodluck takes over and,[/quote]methinks, if yar'adua resigns or his office becomes vacant otherwise, goodluck will have to become president, na de ting wey constitution call for be dat.  if dat one happen, i tink say goodluck ebele jonathan, go announce say, him accept de constitutional duty reluctantly, and him no go run for office come 2011.  dat go enable dem to field another northerner wey go complete de second term.

may Allah see us through de whole mess.

[quote author=Chapelle.S link=topic=363141.msg5066815#msg5066815 date=1260205381]Its funny to hear that the some elements in the North want to subvert the constitution.They are putting pressure on VP to resign.If I talk about rotational presidency,critics will quickly resort to the fact that it is not enshrined in the constitution.Why not tell it to the north now.I for see the north being the one to disunite this nation,whereas they are the one that needs the republic more than any other member of this republic.I will continue to shout and scream to Nigerians and the whole world that 2015 is the time of Ndi Igbo to occupy the exalted seat in Aso Rock provided Nigeria remains united till then.Their is no reason why it should not be so.Some will say that 2015 is five years away,yes.Its not a crime to start early to get this massage into the medulla obulagata of all Nigerians.It is enough time to warn all those pundits of other ethnic tribe and all those coward sellout of Igbo extraction.Any deviation from this will amount to the unthinkable.1966 was a preamble.2015 will be decisive.[/quote]you know say every political party, in the name of peace, agree say presidency go rotate between north and south every 8 years.  south don hold presidency for 8 years through obasanjo, and yar'adua dey there now, and hopefully, north go rule for their own 8 years, at de end of de day.

if every ting go as planned, president go come from south in 2015. de agreement wey all the political parties enter no talk say presidency go rotate between south east or south west; nor north east and north west.

so if una want produce president from south east, una go need to negotiate with south westerners to abandon fashola, or any other candidate wey dem wan produce. una go also need to convince south south people say na igbo man turn, without forgeting to negotiate with edo people wey get their own political idol too.  

na dis political battle una need to win first.  it will be a game of political ingenuity rather than muscle flexing or singing threatening war songs, like dan daudu. i trust say una people dey quite capable of playing de political game.  una good luck o.

naijaking1:
^^^^
Mai Gida, sanu d'aiki.
I make you one promise----insa allahu!
If Sanusi begins to behave, talk, and conduct himself like a banker and not a politician, I, naijaking1, the son of the soil, will be one of the first persons to support and prasie him. The problem is that he shows no sign that he even knows the right thing to do.

you don begin ya maradona dribbling phenomenon again, ko? i understand your response, but de problem be say, you no answer my implied question at all. ok, i go ask am in simple terms:

if de value of ya hefty portfolio decrease substantially, because sanusi and regulators tell us say your favorite bank get another N50billion exposure for the defaulting Dubai loan; will you blame sanusi for the loss or not? i dey await ya answer o.

naijaking1:
^^^^
Yes one of the seven wonders of the World Sanusi is the "discovery" of hidden bad bank debates carefully covered up by Soludo. That's the reason why he's flying from bank to bank, with camera crew in tow, and much like the Superman, I might add, and exposing all the bad things going on in the banks

naijaking, kedu kordi, how bodi, mata da yara, lafiya ko? if so, doxology.

eh, abeg, if in a few days dem find say, some of de banks wey you get interest, follow issue loan to Dubai - de same Dubai wey go default; i hope say you no go blame sanusi again.

if sanusi and regulators tell us, for instance, say your favorite bank get another N50billion exposure for the defaulting Dubai loan, i hope say you go accept say no be sanusi cause the concomitant loss of value for your favorite bank.

wa to, sai anguma.

Beaf:
Back again and talking rubbish as usual. Show me one derogatory statement (yes, just one) I have made to any ethnic group or shut up.
I have no respect for dishonest people.

beaf, eh, technically you be tribalist. a tribalist by definition is a person that consistently exhibits strong loyalty to one's own tribe, party, or group. na dat loyalty wey make you abuse de parents of de person wey you claim to have insulted a whole niger deltra region.

now, if dem say you be tribalist bigot, that one for dey quite debatable.

truth be told na only few nigerians dey detribalized. most of those detribalized nigerians get parents from different regions of de country or don intermarry. for example, papa fit be hausa make mama be ogoni.

kosovo:
Calling Soludo A thief is Premature,

i agree with you here,  because no court of law don convict de poor ex governor, of any crime.

no mind these dishonest nigerians, na so dem call ibori, alams wonder boy, obj, ibb, almost all ex governors,  directors general,  thieves. even bode george wey dey appeal conviction, dem call am thief prematurely.

how unfair, no court don find these people guilty of any crime, yet nigerians dey call dem thieves. dem no believe in de rule of law.  

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mbulela:
Naijaking1, you are muddling up tow different issue.
i will be grateful if we could separate them.
1. Sanusi's ability and competence
2. Ibru et al's gross mismanagement of the banks they headed.

Indeed, the jury is still out with respect to Sanusi's ability and competence.  

many of de people wey dey complain about sanusi lost money because of the gross mismanagement of de thieving ceos and their cohorts.

those victims of fraud, mismanagement, and outright theft, dey look for anyone to blame and sanusi be their favorite person to blame.

de victims go tell us say sanusi dey kill de banking industry. Nothing could be farther from de truth. de fired ceos killed many banks long before sanusi enter scene.  

people need to understand say, if you hide dead body for inside bedroom for long, nobody go know say dead body dey for ya house.  na when honest authority expose de dead body wey people go see say dead body don die and don rot for a very long time.

in fact, some relatives and other people wey get intimate relationship with de dead body,  go begin blame both the owner of de house, and de person wey find de dead body.

na de ting wey dey happen now be dat. for my analogy, na sanusi be de authority wey find dead body and de sacked ceos,incompetent and possibly thieving executives wey kill person and hide de body for bedroom.

to make matters worse, as sanusi dey carry dead body go for proper burial,  dead body come get accident for road.  now na double wahala for dead body and de owner of dead body. make we thank Allah for de talent of fela anikulapo kuti (rip).

[quote author=becomrich, link=topic=359732.msg5049273#msg5049273 date=1259941590]You do not need a visa. it would have open border. You do not need any form of permit to leave in benin republic or nigeria.


Nobody would be repatriate anywhere. All nigeria living in the new republic of benin would be citizen of benin , while all yorubas living in Nigeria would be nigerian citizen.[/quote]maybe you missunderstood de question. if de northerners decide to repatriate una people to benin, how una go assimilate these people. if you tink say una go form benin republic and continue to live for north as usual, think again.

so try answer my question again, how una go handle the millions of una people we go return to benin. you say una border go dey open, all well and good. northerners no believe in dat kind of open border. so wettin be una plan to deal with de problem?

if you no get solution or answer, no yawa.

[quote author=becomrich, link=topic=359732.msg5048930#msg5048930 date=1259938577]I stand for this Godly solution and I am not ashame to continue to post this Godly solution that the yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa join the republic of Benin to avoid a civil war and give the north majority to save the lifes of 15,000,000 in a civil war.[/quote]permit me to pick ya brain a bit. make we assume say una go join benin and form a new country, na him be say, people from other parts of nigeria go need visa or some sort of permit to reside inside benin permanently.

by de same token, de north fit decide to repatriate all of una people wey dey live for their side, some of una don dey there for over 50 years with properties and businesses.  ya people wey dey for north number in de millions.

if you be head of state for dis ya new benin, how you go fit assimilate de millions of una people wey de north go repatriate?  make i hear your suggested solution for dis problem. infact after ya answer, i fit begin support you sef.  i dey wait for ya answer.

i suspect say your call for benin no be ordinary hot air, and i suspect say you don tink of some of de practical issues wey dey involved in ya suggestion.

p.s.  you no need to illustrate with maps,  na gwode.

A spade is not a spade, but a golden spoon, as long as the spade is conneceted to my region, tribe, or state!!

de time wey dem open de yansh of Alamieyeseigha, na so people from de state defend am, we dey see de same phenomenon now. if enlightened and so-called educated ones among una, no fit ask legitimate questions how soludo get all dis money, then una desearve de thieving leaders.

most of you people are either quite naive, very dishonest, or your judgement has been beclouded by tribalism. what a shame!

df2006:
ha ha shehu you never know wetin dey happen? i sorry for you.

i know say you dey wish to write obituary for nigeria, but i assure you say our dear country go dey intact long after una aspirations don expire. dey there dey laugh.  de meeting indeed took place as reported in punch dis morning, olodo.

de full tory dey for punch: http://www.punchontheweb.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200912045194826

Amidst growing confusion on the true state of health of President Umaru Yar’Adua, state governors held an emergency meeting on Thursday night in Abuja ahead of today’s National Economic Council conference at the Presidential Villa.

Edo State Governor Adams Oshiomhole, who was one of the 20 governors and two deputy governors in attendance, told journalists that the discussion on Thursday was a “one-agenda meeting.”

But the governors rejected the proposal to consider Vice-President Goodluck Jonathan as an Acting President in Yar’Adua’s absence in line with section 145 of the constitution.

Instead, the governors decided after about three hours to express support for Yar’Adua’s presidency, even while he is still indisposed.

Instead, the governors decided after about three hours to express support for Yar’Adua’s presidency, even while he is still indisposed.

one of de attendees tell reporters say  “Some of us supported the idea but the majority opposed it on the grounds that the President was not incapacitated and unable to continue to carry out the functions of his office”

e be like say some ting major go soon happen.  reliable sources tell me say all 36 governors dey for emergency meeting for abuja now now.  security is tightened.  make i add say, dem no mention de meeting for 9 o'clock news, but dat no mean say meeting no dey in progress.

anyone fit confirm?

I am agitating that the federal government should either build a befitting international airport in Enugu, Onitsha, Owerri, Aba, Uyo, Asaba or upgrade the Port Harcourt airstrip to standards found in MMA or NAA. I hate flying into Lagos or Abuja and spent another 24 hours on the road to reach my destination in the south-eastern part of the country.

if federal government upgrade enugu airport as planned, and people fit fly to enugu from lagos instead of disgracefully travelling for 24hours to enugu, that should be looked at as a step forward. ko kwa?

Beaf:
Others are laughing at us.
This sort of reasoning produces this sort of response https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-360672.0.html#msg5040044

which sort of reasoning you dey talk about? de kind wey simply point out wettin our constitution require?

others are laughing, make dem laugh. dem go praise us when dem see say in de end, we go handle our issues according to our constitution and in a peaceful manner, and kuma to the disappointment of secessionists among us.

soon enough we go annex ghana.

SapeleGuy:
Yaradua just needs to resign.

you get evidence say yar'adua dey permanently incapable of discharging the functions of his office? if so, abeg forward am as soon as possible to FEC.