₦airaland Forum

Fhemmmy:
Go and read most of my post on Fashola, i have not been in Nija since he became a governor.
I do criticize him when i have to, like when he was talking about electrical car, isaid, it was dumb and silly.
BTW, i have no idea how he came into being, cos i already gave up on Democracy in Nigeria at that time.
Also, Fashola wasn't that known, Ngige has been making noise for how many years, and do we know enuf about soludo and his policy or not?
SO, big difference

pardon me, but I forgot what our disagreement (if any) was all about. stop confusing me abeg.

Fhemmmy:
Selection process has been polluted, so how can a good governor be elected from the pot of polluted candidates?

You were praising fashola the other day, weren't you/ Did he not emerge out of a "polluted" process? Did he not have a godfather?

Fhemmmy:
You are so funny

But its true. 2010 is when the people of anambra will vote for the governor. The candidate selection process within particular parties has never been democratic. For example, Yar'Adua did not emerge as the PDP candidate through a democratic selection process. They will settle unhappy candidates and Soludo will ultimately be the flagbearer of PDP's.

It is in 2010 when we'll find out weather or not our democratic process has improved. ko kwa.

ratio say we get 2.5 - 3 women to one man, so if dem enforce one man one wife rule, wetting go happen to all de women wey no go fit marry? na how dem go get their own children?  una sabi say, bastard no be good label for african society na.

Prediction: Soludo will be on the PDP ticket 2010.


Let's assume that the supreme court rules that Prof. Soludo was not validly nominated by the party and therefore quashes his nomination. What that would simply mean is that the PDP will go through another nominating process, a process that will once again produce Soludo as the winner.

I'm afraid we may have to wait until 2010 to find out how much improvement has taken place in our democratic process.

Today for Abuja:

Mallam go buy dollar:       N152.00
Mallam go sell you dollar: N153.50

citizenY:
We keep telling you we are all the same, you refuse to listen. All of us are roasting
in the cauldron called Nigeria. We have a problem with our elite. I am always amused
when people talk about fear of one section or the other. Always recall Fela,s song.

You dey fear for the tin wey you no see.

gaskiya ta fi kwabo.  true talk.

Dede1:
My people say that when a person insists that an idiom or metaphorical expression should be interpreted, the dowry lavished on the person’s mother is a waste of human endeavor. I would regard your condescending dribbles as feign of ignorance and allow you to wallow on inherent naiveté.

What’s the point of the gibberish you’ve written above. It shows a complete inability to communicate effectively. You’ve only succeeded in confusing yourself.

Dede1:
It is widely affirmed that the past is prologue and any group of people with either low or high IQ that failed to grasp the misdeeds of their past endeavors are bound to commit the stupidity over again. I would be damned if I failed to allow the past history to guide the future undertakings.

Well, I have news for you: Dim Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, a man who is clearly your superior  did not fail to grasp the misdeeds of his past endeavors and he is not hell bent on commiting the stupidity over again, unlike people like you who would rather fight another civil war than work to make our nation great.

In case you have not read Ojukwu’s speech at the recently held, Chinua Achebe colloquium, here’s an extract from his speech – Ojukwu believes that Ndiigbo shall regain political relevance in Nigeria, in his lifetime. I hope you are not saying that Ojukwu has a low IQ because of his stance on this issue:

Extract from Ojujwu's speech in blue:
My commitment, because I am seriously involved, is to work with all well-meaning Nigerians to bring about the Nigerian society as promised by the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. When this happens, and all glass ceilings and other unwholesome practices designed to keep Ndigbo, or any other ethnic groups in Nigeria marginalized are dismantled, I shall feel fulfilled. When this happens, Ndigbo shall regain their political and economic relevance in a fair, just and egalitarian Nigerian society. This remains my mission. It is my commitment to Ndigbo. It is my commitment to Nigeria, Africa and the world. And it shall happen in my lifetime. Not after. 

Dede1:
I could have fallen for your trepidation thinking you were feigning ignorance until I stumbled onto your post with hellish enumerated junks. Are you for real? It must be recalled that Nigerians have lived, accrued enormous properties and married beautiful ladies from neighboring countries such Benin, Ghana, Togo and Cameroon.

Yet the sheer weight of these socio-economic endeavors have not instigated the confiscation of properties or forced the citizenries of either nation to renounce that citizenship of their nations. Why would the dissolution of Nigeria into nation states instigate loss of properties, mitigate the conjugational intimacy between man and woman of these countries and abolish free movement of the people?

Are you for real? Your equating the implications of Nigerians acquiring properties in foreign countries such as Benin, Ghana, Togo, and Cameron to the implications of breaking up Nigeria into mini nations and its potential effect on Nigerian property owners I itemized, confirms that you are not only ignorant of intertribal dynamics and relationships in Nigeria, but you are also a pathetic analyst.  You are comparing apples to oranges!  Are you sure that if Ghana, Benin, Togo, or Cameroon, breaks up into mini nations, the conditions will remain the same for those foreign home owners? Would those home owners support such a breakup in those countries? Are you sure that the new mini nations will not ask non citizens to return to their countries and reapply for visa? You seem to have missed the point I was making  and your logic is seriously flawed.

Dede1:
I would continue to stake my means and meager resources to the dissolution of colonial contraption called Nigeria into nation states.

Once again, you’ll be wasting your resources on a lost cause. The vast majority of Nigerians do not agree with the dissolution of the country.

As a student of history, you know that the American civil war ended in May 1865 when the remaining Confederate forces surrendered. Over 620,000 Americans died in the war, with disease killing twice as many as those lost in battle. 50,000 survivors return home as amputees.

Today, there exists some fringe groups that are still calling for the dissolution of the USA, just as you are calling for the dissolution of Nigeria.  Checkout their website
http://pakalert./2009/08/31/we-hate-the-united-states-secessionists-rally-in-texas/

You will end up like the losers on that website at the rate you are going. Olodo


P.S. Try to answer the questions I asked you in a prior post,  the only thing you have to fear, is fear itself.  Here’s the post: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-365759.0.html#msg5104743

bamshow:
I did my masters thesis on Risk Management and while looking at one of our banks annual reports in 2004-2006, I noticed a Director's brother took 3 loans amounting to Billions of Naira at different times and the amazing thing was 2 out of the loans were non performing yet the guy was still able to get another loan the next year to the report. without having liquidated the prior loan exposures. where is this country going to where such was allowed. Great Nigerians both within and without our National boundary, dont tell me such should be condoned.

Why should Great Naija be known only for our propensity to cover up frauds, so as to protect the interest of a select few. do you know how many Market women and men that will be under untold hardship should those banks be allowed to fold. I rest my case for now.

shhhh, you are setting yourself up for bad mouthing the rule of law - don't you realize that the said director's brother has not yet been convicted of any crime? Please don't attempt to insinuate that Ibori or Cecelia Ibru is a criminal either, for they are yet to be convicted of any crime.

The President may write the National Assembly that he is proceeding on vacation to take care of his health, it was learnt yesterday.

The vacation is to enable President Umaru Yar’Adua, who has been in Saudi Arabia since November 23 for treatment of acute pericarditis (inflammation of the heart’s lining) have enough time to recuperate.

The letter will also pave the way for Vice President Goodluck Jonathan to act as president.

Sources said his family may bring him back home for recuperation once his condition stabilises.

He may be followed home by some of his doctors, a source said.

Another said yesterday: "The President is responding to treatment. Let’s see what happens this week. The man will soon be back on his feet."

Read the rest of the story here: http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/28829/1/YarAdua-to-seek-vacation-in-letter-to-Assembly/Page1.html

Beaf, please stop using wikipedia as a reference, it reduces the credibility of your position.

Beaf, this is for your information:

Last night in Abuja, money and batons and teargas turned a routine NANS election of national officers at the Women Center into a warzone.

One of the presidential candidates, a young student from UNIBEN called Jude, was either shot or stabbed(depending on which eyewitness account you decide to believe).

Those are your leaders of tommorrow ko?

Beaf:
You have quoted me out of context. The masses are not the ones who are interested in maintaining the status quo.
Those who are interested in keeping things as they are, are the very people who have imprisoned the masses and they are the very people I mentioned. They are Nigeria's powerbrokers:

* The military
* Owners of oil blocks and bunkerers
* Refined fuel importers
* Leaders of various ethnic groups and regions

You are the one that need to reread my post. The masses as itemized by me, are interested in maintaining the status quo, in terms of not breaking up the country. In that regard, they have the same interest as those you mentioned.

Beaf:
But, clinging to the military is rapidly becoming a disadvantage, especially in todays increasingly hi-tech World, the North might realise that too late and precipitate a crisis.

I am of the opinion that for Nigeria to progress, the North must drop its guard.

You sound paranoid. You keep referring to this mysterious North as if there are no progressives among their ranks. Every group has a major role to play in the progress of Nigeria.

Beaf:
Aside from the ruling elite and kingmakers, the rest of the groups mentioned severely lack the clout to move Nigeria in one direction or the other. Also, as I thought, others might have differences with your list. To me, these are the most important groups;
[list]
[li]The military[/li]
[li]Owners of oil blocks and bunkerers[/li]
[li]Refined fuel importers[/li]
[li]Leaders of various ethnic groups and regions[/li]
[/list]

I'm surprised that an enlightened person like you don't understand the power possessed by the masses. It is this mindset that your leaders who continue to despoil you,  depend on,  to perpetuate their activities. I submit to you that the millions of people whom you believe do not have the clout to move Nigeria in any direction, are the ones with the most power to indeed force the rapists out of office.  They just need leaders and people like you to come home and mobilize them.  A mass revolt in a tiny region could have the desired domino effect.  When 500,000 people decend on the national assembly in protest, causing an international problem for your leaders, you'd then find out how much clout those people have.

Beaf:
Of much greater importance, is that the lopsided structure of our armed forces is done away with; its staffing is stacked heavily in favour of the North and the South very rightly see's it as a Northern tool of intimidation. That is core.

Whoever controls, a lopsided army, controls the country and the FG.

Forward thinking Nigerians are urging that the "Federal Character" crap should be scrapped and you are here indirectly calling federal character in the Army.  Your implied statement that the composition of the leadership in the Army is based on some Northern master plan is weak, to say the least.  The composition of the leadership in the Armed Forces is based on the availability of professionals who are qualified for the posts. For the past 30 -40 years, the vast majority of applicants to the millitary school in Zaria, and all other millitary training schools have been Northerners. This fact is more responsible for the makeup of the Armed forces than any other thing.

Using your logic, I could accuse the southerners of controling the financial institutions as part of some grand scheme. That would however ignore the fact that southerners have been sending their children to school to study those subjects at a higher rate than northerners. Ironically, it is now taking a northerner to clean up the rot left by the bank chiefs of the past.

Should we now restructure the transportation industry for example, because they are dominated by southerners?

[quote author=OYB_MEND link=topic=365701.msg5106857#msg5106857 date=1260747831]na only Yoruba states go vote Fashola to become President?

Other parts of the country go reject any form of selfishness. Because if North Central and North-East endorse another Yoruba President the next time power come South, they are by implication endorsing another North West candidate if Power move back North. Remember NorthWest also has the upper hand in the North. So other regions like North-East, North-Central, South-South, South-East have a reason to form a united front.[/quote]I see. your take on de matter be say, Fashola no fit get votes outside of yoruba land. anyway, remember say de issue no dey nicely divided into geo-political regions wey you enumerate.  if you no know, there are only two parties in Nigeria; (1) PDP  (2) The Rest

The constitution of "The Rest" party, will determine where de president comes from, in 2015.  By dat time PDP go don die a natural or violent death. if south westerners align properly with their northern counterparts, then fashola fit enter.  if others align with northerners, then dem fit produce the president. na alliances wey matter, not the geo-political region wey de candidate come from.

if southerners no fit come with united front, I'm afraid, na people wey come from other regions go pick where the southern president come from.

[quote author=OYB_MEND link=topic=365701.msg5106753#msg5106753 date=1260746464]Fashola will be President in 2040.

That will be the next Yoruba turn[/quote]na how you take calculate dis ya turn by turn methodology? de agreement say dem go rotate between North and South. how you go convince all de political parties make dem no pick Fashola?

JProspero:
Another problem is that while other ethnic regions try to project their brighest and best, the North tries to project its mediocre people so long as those people can protect the Northern interest.  Who knew that there were young men of action and vision in the North like el-Rufai and Ribadu if not that Obasanjo brought them out? And look at how sharp and decisive Sanusi is today? But all these men will be available and still the North will bring out one docile person as president because he is more likely to maintain the status quo rather than moving Nigeria forward. That is what the South finds so annoying.

Eh, there is a small flaw in your analysis. Everyone knows that it was Obasanjo through pdp mechanisms (lead by Bode George), who "imposed" Yar'Adua on the country while the same Ribadu and El-Rufai, whom you claim are presidential material, were available and ready to serve.  Additionally, it was Maurice Iwu, who perfected the rigging of the last presidential election.  If we are to accept your analysis, we'd have to also accept that Obasanjo is a Northerner, Bode George an indigene of Kano, while Iwu is from Maiduguri.

Beaf:
I do not support power rotation.
The reason is simple, if we had a true federal system, there will be no need for such spurious arrangements, because the centre wouldn't be attractive to the criminals that have ruled us. A lot of power (and accountabilty) would reside at state level.

The system is our problem, not whether or not we stick to gentlemens agreements made in the closet. These agreements are intrinsically faulty anyway, what if the PDP loses the next election?
Also, is there a monolythic North and a monolythic South? No, there isn't.

We would be far better off pressuring for a better government structure than rotation in a system that serves us no good.

I agree with you that the federal character idea should be scrapped completely.

On the agreement in question, ALL major political parties signed on to it. They will all produce a candidate from the North in 2011, and one from the South in 2015. That's the current agreement.

Afam:
I took it for granted that you would understand the meaning of North/South to include the 6 geo political regions 3/3 across the 2 zones.

Your comments with East and Anambra will be treated as silly so no need to debate that.

I acknowledge your right to deem whatever you like, silly.  

Would you agree that a president from the South West such as Fashola, or Goodluck from South South, in 2015, will be in compliance with the terms of the said agreement? If not, please explain.

I hope those of you who are discussing power rotation and the agreement (albeit unconstitutional)  between all political parties to rotate the presidency between North and South, understand that,  the agreement requires the president to emerge from the South in 2015 - and that means anywhere in the south.  

If the agreement is continued through 2015, I believe that the president will be come from the south south region or south west (ala Fashola), unless the south eastern politicians come up with very ingenious negotiating skills and political strategies.  History does not support the idea of such skills by politicians from the East. Anambra is a case in point.

@mikeansy and Depilot; una no go kill person here


@Beaf, i go deal with you later

SapeleGuy:
Rather than focus on the break up of the nation, let us focus on decentralisation and devolution of power and the attendant benefits of such an arrangement.

The picture painted of a breakup is alarmist - you need only look at the united arab emirates to know that the apocalyptic vision of doom and gloom is the last resort of those who are afraid to support themselves.

Voice of reason. Thanks for the above comments

SapeleGuy:
ndu_chucks - It is unfair to say that southerners are not holding their leaders responsible. You need only look at the discourse and criticism on sites like this against those like gamji.com or kano online which are comatose in comparison (no pun intended).

While it may be unfair to say that southerners are not holding their thieving leaders responsible, it is however a fact. Additionally, many would rather blame the North for the failure of these southern leaders - you have to agree that, that is unfair as well. The point is, the leaders who have failed us come from the North, South, East, and West.  

SapeleGuy:
Let me put it this way, my forefinger is pointing at the elite who have mismanaged the affairs of this country for over 40 years who coincidentally happen to be northern.

My thumb is pointing at the traitors and collaborators in the south who have made the mismanagement possible, that doesn't exonerate the northern elite.

I'm glad you pointed a thumb at the people you call traitors and collaborators in the south who have contributed to the present state of the country.  They all share in the blame.  These people include governors, ex governors, ministers, several DGs, heads of parastatals, etc etc - again they are from North, South, East, and West.  Eh, don't forget to include the bank thieves in the group of people who helped to make the said mismanagement possible.

Beaf:
Those "vested interests" must be uprooted or we are all cowards.
Now in the very same way you have asked Dede to name an ethnic group, I am asking you to boldly identify these "vested interests" for the sake of educating those who might either not know or might have conflicting opinions.

I will happily enumerate the "vested interests":

[list]
[li]The ruling elite from all parts of the country and the king makers also from all parts of the country[/li]
[li]The millions of Igbo who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li]
[li]The millions of Yorubas who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li]
[li]The millions of Hausas who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li]
[li]The millions of Nigerian minority tribes who reside or have resided in other parts of Nigerian for decades and have made those places their homes [/li]
[li]Millions of Nigerians who have inter married and have no interest whatsoever in nation states, for obvious reasons[/li]
[li]Foreign countries primarily USA, China, India[/li]
[/list]

There are many more groups that I have not listed, but you get the picture.  Frankly, most Nigerians do not want the breakup of the country, if you don't believe me, conduct your own personal survey when you come to Nigeria for a visit.

Beaf:
These things need to be corrected, unfortunately until then, Southerners will continue pointing fingers at the North; there is no way to stop the obvious.

We are in agreement that the status quo is unacceptable. We'll have to agree to disagree on the remaining part of your postulation.  One thing is certain, continuously blaming the north for your woes will not help you.

Charity begins at home - why don't you people start by call your thieving governors to order and demanding responsible governance for a start.   this should wind beaf up 

But issue is the well-being of the intestinal fortitude of certain ethnic groups in Nigeria to ably understand who they were and acknowledge their surroundings.

You need to be specific on the ethnic groups referenced above, if you intend to communicate your thoughts effectively. For clarity, which ethnic groups do indeed understand who they were and acknowledge their surroundings? I have a suspicion that your non specificity is not an intentional ploy to appear confused, nor do I believe its due to an inability to communicate effectively.

The events of January 15, 1966 and subsequent irrational behaviors that followed would remain to dictate the present and future faith of Nigeria.

I submit that most Nigerians do not wish to remain slaves to events of January 15, 1966, the sensible thing to do is not to live in the past but learn from it and move forward.

As much as Nigerians would readily recline into pretentious mood and sometimes deny the shameful behaviors of certain ethnic groups in Nigeria during the downs of 1966, the fact remains that the events of that era have doomed Nigeria forever.

Again, which ethnic groups are you referring to here and why are you afraid to name them?   Most of us do not share your view that Nigeria is doomed forever. The people who do not plan to participate in moving us forward will not be allowed, under any circumstance, to actualize their dreams of destroying Nigeria.

The only solution to cesspit called Nigeria is either peaceful dissolution of Nigeria into nation states or total anarchy foisted by war of attrition.

This is the lazy man’s way of solving problems. Effeminate men similarly file for divorces instead of striving to save their families. I will attempt to explain my position without too much verbosity.

There are several reasons why I believe dissolution of Nigeria into nation states will not work. On the surface it might appear to you that adjusting the national boundaries so that each country's population would be confined to a large tribe or a number of compatible tribes would obviate the competition for power and resources.  Unfortunately, despite the disadvantages of the existing situation, there are enough vested interests in it to railroad any attempts at the adoption of your suggestion. Your suggestion would also lead some groups that are not viable for nationhood, wanting to become nation states - you can imagine the implication of this issue.

The stakes are high. They involve nothing less than the very survival of millions of  Nigerians. What we need to do is to explore the satisfactory sharing of power and resources through appropriate constitutional changes.   Other forms of constitutional arrangements such as  devolution of power to regional governments could be instituted.

SapeleGuy:
It is pathetic and pitiful to think that without lifting a finger the fear of the north has paralysed some Nigerians into inactivity.
Where does this fear stem from ?

oh boy, which kind question you dey ask there?  you sabi say, in thread after thread, na North people dey blame for everything?  someone nearly blame north because him get gonorrhea sef!   

de answer to ya question dey obvious - people no want take responsibility for their own inadequacies, so e dey easy to point fingers at north. i have news for una; northerners no go come southern states and hold their governors responsible for their own development. make una first go protest and blame una leaders locally before pointing fingers.

CyberG:
This man has killed and lied himself into this position, yet he hasn't owned up and people without even 1 functioning brain cell are going to get leaner than their malnourished body already is? Well, that is their headache!

In the meantime, I hope Yar'Liar is enjoying all the soccer games on TV and will not only declare open more universities in SA but will play squash on their new courts!

CyberG, softly softly mallam. make you no forget say, recent reports inform us say yar'adua been send the required letter wey for allow power to transition to goodluck, to house of assembly, but one special adviser and AG hijack de letter.

yar'adua na decent human being. let's just wish him well.

Former Head of State and a presidential candidate in the 2007 general election, General Muhammadu Buhari, has commended Governor Babatunde Fashola of Lagos state, for transforming the country’s economic capital into a truly modern state.

General Buhari, in an address at the 42nd National Conference of the Nigerian Society of Engineers, (NSE) in Owerri, said that Fashola had, in the last two years, demonstrated qualities of orderliness, protection of the environment, socio-economic and infrastructure development, good governance and respect for the citizens’ rights.

Buhari said the honorary fellowship awarded to Fashola by the NSE was a well-deserved recognition.


’’If any Nigerian deserves this honorary fellowship, it is Fashola, and I heartily congratulate him on this well-deserved recognition. I also urge you to remain resolute in the pursuit you have started,’’ he said.


He said that Fashola’s challenges were enormous but not insurmountable with best intentions as he had demonstrated the zeal to leave a lasting legacy of robust development that would endear him to Lagosians.

Read the rest of the story here ==> http://www.voiceofnigeria.org/Mouhamedf.htm

de only entity wey dey get ready to disintegrate as a result of de current quagmire, is the pdp. at de rate wey dem dey go, dem go lose the presidency for 2011.

instead make dem allow smooth transition of power, even if na temporary one, dem dey there dey protect their selfish interests.  these people include, but not limited to all de president's special advisers, people wey dey close to yar'adua, including the IG whose days are numbered, ibori, and other selfish rogues wey get much to lose if power transitions to VP.

their days are surely numbered. pdp go implode soon, at de rate wey dem dey go.

de ting wey remain now na to look for more investors and capital. de bank dey actually quite attractive and dem go surely make money in de future. i know say i go follow buy shares to recapitalize dis bank. sanusi don drive out all de barawos.

i suspect say cecelia ibru alone dey owe dis bank up to N35billion, and as soon as efcc finish with her, she go vomit de money and dat go improve de financial position of de bank sef.

we dey wait for public offering, asap.

Katsumoto:
Why can't each state be responsible for its own revenue?

Nigeria is blessed with so many resources in all the regions, Oil is not our only resource. The system we should practice should be similar to the one in America, not because it is the most superior but because we share so many similarities. Each state is responsible for its own revenue, police, education, etc and each state pays taxes to the central government based on its revenue, so states with higher revenue will pay more tax than others.

I don't disagree with  with most of what you wrote above.  Ultimately, every state should indeed be responsible for its own revenue. My proposal will simply help move us in that direction. 

As a practical matter, if the feds abruptly stop sharing national revenues with the states, it could conceivably result to the deaths of thousands, if not millions of people.  State governments should be weaned from this dependence in the most beneficial manner.

What do you mean by "ban religion"?.  Every Nigerian should enjoy freedom of association and should be free to practice whatever religion.

@Beaf, please go ahead, I insist.

Beaf:
Let's do it, you've suggested a good thing.

beaf, abeg make we no argue about this ting, the new thread would be a natural extension of this one. besides if certain people see my name for de thread dem go pick race, for obvious reasons. besides ya name carry clout for dis section

Beaf:
^
You forgot the most important thing; true federalism. Your proposal is for a unitary system, so it falls far short of the minimum.

if you look closely, you go see components of federalism na, besides since na conference you fit bring ya own topics as well. 

ya sabi say, if people bring topic wey go incite adverse reaction, some attendees fit walk out of de conference. e better to get significant improvement than to get nothing at all.