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negro yanzu a birnin kano kake ? mahaifiyata bakano ce

Yanzu ina kasan Amurka. Iyaye na daga Iko suke amma sun yi zama a Kano.

In ka ga mutum na tsoron kira ya yi laifi.

If you run into a man fearful of identification, he has indeed done someone wrong.

Ina nan lafiya Abu, nagode maka. Allah shi kiyaye mu, ya bamu lafiya, Amin.

Kai mutumin ina ne? A Iko a ka haife ni, amma a Kano na yi girma. Bayan Kano kuma na yi makaranta a Zaria. Kai fa?

Pastor,

I find your explanations very nourishing and at the same time very provoking to my mind. Im a truth seeker. On one hand your explanations resonate a truth in my soul and on the other hand it challenges me to probe further into the truth of creation and purpose. Thank you very much!

As a side note and not to digress from main topic, I suspect you are either aquarius yourself, with a major influence from pisces, or you are a pisces with a major influence from aquarius. These two combinations together create a better than average ability for seeking and understanding the secret codes of cosmic energies.


Krayola,

I commend you for taking the steps and going the way of your academic interests than to succumb to parental pressure. Studying and understanding religions will open a gateway through which you can best understand humanity. An ideal path for truth and fulfillment. I keep three Holy scriptures on my book shelf- Quran, Bible and Torah - and together they provide lead for what I need to do in times of trouble. It is amazing that they are consistent in the meanings that they offer.

In your comparison of belief systems you said Kabbalah is closely related to Ifa. I never studied Kabbalah but read books on it. I have also read a number of books on Sufism. If you thought Kabbalah is close to Ifa, wait till you read Sufism! At its elementary stage, the rituals of Islam, especially during Hajj pilgrimage has been compared to the initiation rituals of Ifa. In one instance, Islam, you have a completion stage - a state of perfection of deeds - and in the other, Ifa initiation, you have the entry into a state of enlightenement - a state of purification. Maybe you or Pastor can comment on this.

Yaya BJ, a gashe ka!

Aski ya zo gaban goshi

The pressure of the razor is felt on the forehead.

mai ya sa ba budurawa da ta leko a wanna thread ta mu?
ina mata suke? da allah ku nema mana mata.

Wadanda suka iya harshen Hausa kadan ne kuma da wuya ka gan sun a nan. In ka na son zance da mace ka shirya da turanci.

Michelin, Thank you dear.

haha,  I guess it came out wrong. I meant that i was learning a lot from your debate and was eager to read more, because you both have so much knowledge about this stuff.

Were you raised in the tradition or did you just learn about it on your own or in school?

Well, I appreciate your response.  To be honest, Pastor is far more advanced than I am in IFA.  To your question, it might surprise you to know that my knowledge of IFA is very recent and it came about as the outcome of a discussion in another post with Pastor AIO.  I was setting up some programming for report charts in ODBC and the sequencing of the numbers totalled 256. I knew that 256 is a principal number in IFA.  Also, in design of experiments, the standard matrix for doing failure test is 256 - an array of 16x8.  My interest grew in the connection between maths, number array, sequencing, base 2 numbers and so I studied the symetrical and chonological order of the odus and it was evident that a connection existed.  To be sure, I came here and asked if there was a connection between IFA and computing.  Pastor challenged me to look it up.  What you see on this forum are some of my findings.  

I have been asked to clarify the point I am making on quantum physics and IFA.  There is a body of knowledge in the universe.  It is not exclusive to any race or culture but the sum part of the sub knowledge form a whole.  It is division of labor on a grand scale - at a universal level.  Man is not created to serve himself.  Man is created to be of service to other mankind.  To achieve that higher purpose successfully, the ego must be tamed.  When the ego is untamed, then man believes in his prowess and mightiness and is tempted to subdue everyone to his service, forgetting, or sometimes just completely refusing to be of service to anyone.  Fulfillment is accomplished through service.  So that in an ideal coexistence with no exploitation, no first class, second class race, the higher purpose of the white race is to uplift its abilities to bear benefit of service to the other human races.  The higher purpose of the black race is to uplift its capabilities to bear benefit of service to the other races in the universe.  When race A and race B have attained self-actualization in their individual ethnic group then their state of discipline has matured sufficiently that they can relate at peer level for benefits and services.  IFA is a capability and a way of enlightenement.  In every verse it reminds of the need to watch the ego and to reach out selflessly, to seek compromise, to be calm and modest and to seek prosperity through partnership and wisdom.  Well, IFA is a body of knowledge for Blacks.  On the other side of it, Science.  Applied Physics and Applied Maths teach excatly the same principles but these are body of knowledge for the white race.  By bringing it here, it is an attempt to illustrate that we have no excuse not to excell and we have no excuse not to be a principal player in the activities of mankind to push evolution forward.  We have it both ways, first through our heritage in IFA and we have it in our academic scholarship of applied sciences.   If the argument is that IFA is unacceptable, then applied science should be a palatable alternative for the academicians.  One way or another we all are reformers and carry the burden to transform Africa and the race.  Our inaction today will only increase the depth and weight of the assignment for future generations.  


Pastor, I am shocked.  You are accurate, yes, I am aquarius.  lol,  I guess other people signs, no one has ever guessed my sign correctly.

Michelin,

I know what the rules say but I have a complaint against a post that is not protected by the rule. I suggest that the attached video is deleted or the post moved out of culture into some other room where it is appropariately okay for homosexuals to interact.

Thanks.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-274473.0.html#msg3896349

Abu,

Ina fatan baka pata da ni ba, na kan yi kwana biyu ban shiga dakin na ba. Ban manta ba, arkoki sun yawa a hanu na. Yaya lafiya?

Gadol, maraba!

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Iska ba nauyi gare ki ba sai dai ka da itace.

Wind, you are weightless but your might is visible in the fallen tree.

wow!!! pastor and negro_nuts, I dey gbadun ur posts like a mora foka. Please go on

Lmao! Please don't do that. I admire and respect Pastor. He is very insightful and wise, one of few that I will say that much about in NL. If you thought that was a sensational exchange you are wrong, so if you are seeking entertainment I suggestyou tune to another channel. Anything in my response to him, no matter how unbrotherly it may sound is nothing at all compared to my signature exchange when engaged with foolish and ignorant minds, and there are plenty of those here as well.
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Pastor,

Thanks for clarification. I better understand your position and it is not at all too far from mine. I have low tolerance for backward facing mules, oh, much worse, ass! I have followed your writing for quite sometime and I can relate with the way you see things. You might not with mine! There is a reason. I have a habit of taking a current event and projecting it into a distant future, attached with a multiplier, to see what the cost and impact might be if it was acted/not-acted upon today. In six sigma principles, it is called design of experiments. So for this reason most people mis-understand my intent or goal. I have had a couple of people that are similarly wired as myself and they understand precisely what I am talking about. We are different and I understand that it can be frustrating to be forced to shift the mind into imaginaries that are far ahead of the mundane reality. I encourage people to ask me for clarity. I stop, backtrack and explain it the best I can to the current reality.

I have taken the following out of a manuscript I wrote in 2004, it is the last page of the first volume. Reading this you will better appreciate what I stand for. I put it in quotations for easy reading.

Treasures! The black race is very wealthy but we are less interested in our treasures and the numerous benefits inherent in our natural endowments than we are to be accepted and approved as a civilized and developed people. We seek approval, we look towards non-Africans to validate our status in the race for evolution. The people whose language we speak and whose religion we claim responded simply by encouraging our ignorance in the quest for a pseudo-philosophy. Unfortunate for us, we blindly associate idealism and high purpose to mastery of foreign language and the religion that accompany them. Academia is not Philosophy

It is as if we stop speaking English, French, Arabic or we stop being Christians and Muslims then our clothing will vanish and we will be back to wrapping banana leaves ‘round our loins. On average, it has been 40yrs since majority of African nations became independent, Nigeria alone, not counting Ghana, Senegal, Tanzania, Kenya, etc, has produced more graduates and academic excellence on its indigenous soil than the entire UAE nations combined has produced, locally and abroad summed up. This is not counting those Nigerians that graduated abroad. Yet, Dubai a member nation of the Emirates, is offering aid to support development in Africa. Oil is the sole income generator for Dubai. Africa on the other hand has diverse revenue generators from variety of resources. Every African nation has a foreign language as its official language, as well as a foreign religion. Different in Dubai; official to them is they speak their mother tongue and practice the religion that accompany that tongue. So comparing Africa to Dubai, how should we truly measure civilization of a people? How do people evolve in their humanity, is it through a robust academia or should they approach life with a principled philosophy?

We need to study our indigenous languages and see the beauty of rhythm and form in their syllables; we need to study our traditional African religions and be convinced in our selves, rather than seeking foreigners to validate that we have a truly beautiful religions that teach of humanity as a cosmic oneness. Let us embrace our nature and cherish the endowment of artistic talents that we are blessed with, let us ponder and reflect on the power of fortitude that we have, there is much blessing in it. We need to know who we are, we need to know about other race of people and who they are because in the long run no man is an island and we must need them just as much as they need us in the general spirit of raising the human kind to a higher level of truth and in closeness to the one Supreme Being we all call Father.


Through this broad understanding we must form an intra-alliance that promote security of black interests on all fronts and invest it in a single institution supported on a platform of one ideology committed to our common destiny and cause.; last, we must form a healthy and wholesome inter-alliances with other races geared at promoting security and evolution at a universal level.

To end this volume, here is a story on a successful partnership.
It is said that Ogun isolated from the world, spent his time
clubbing and hacking his way in the jungles searching for food, but
with his aggressive manner would only scare the prey away. So he
pined starving and frustrated in the forest with only his ability
of his forge with which he could make knives and tools. Oshosi on
the other hand with his mysterious efficacy to hypnotize his would
be victim, would prize numerous catches. But without the tools with
which he could butcher them he also remained alone and starving with
numerous unopened carcasses that were of no value to him rotting. One day
Eshu came about, hungry and curious and having seen Ogun not far
off in a similar predicament he said to Oshosi;
"Why don't you and Ogun live together? Certainly you would be
formidable room mates. For you can catch to your hearts desire and
Ogun can open the prey".
Eshu then went to Ogun and proposed; "Why don't you and Oshosi
move together and work with each other instead of quarreling or
being so exacting in your differences? Certainly if you live with
each other while one can hunt the other can make use of that which
you've caught."
Then Oshosi and Ogun said; "But we cannot guarantee that we will
always find what we are looking for. If we then both become hungry
then in our frustration of the best of friends we will become the
worst of enemies."
To which Eshu answered; "Not so, for if you share with me your
catch, for I only need very little as you see, I will show you
where to make the paths, where to find the grounds where at, you
will be successful in getting good catch and that way we three can
not only be friends but an indefatigable party that none can
surpass!."
And it is said that from that day forward Ogun and Oshosi share
the same cauldron with Eshu… Well, Eshu is providence, he comes and goes as he
pleases, so long as he is taken care for he will always at least
let the hunters know where to go for their success."

Where and when do you draw the boundary? It would help if you gave me an example.

What good does that do beside stretching this argument further away from the topic? Leave that alone!

As I said, discussions on slavery should be discussed as a separate topic. I will respond to your counter on Ifa and Physics.

I'm not saying that you should not love your heritage. I am saying that you do not need to embellish it with talk of quantum physics just because it sounds impressive. Such an attitude seems to belies a deeper insecurity, or maybe even inferiority complex. It sounds as if you are compensating by making Ifa out to be quantum mechanics.
I think it is important that Ifa stands or falls on it's own terms. It doesn't need to be pegged to science via such an extreme contrivance.
I think it is important to take the Truth however you find, bitter or sweet. If Ifa is Rubbish then let us accept that it is rubbish, but if there is any good stuff in it then let us accept that to. It is not because it is what our ancestors followed that we must accept it whether right or wrong.

1. You missed the point in my reference of quantum physics to Ifa. The best you could have done is seek clarity than to assume and explode with an accusation. Where is the embellishment, can you please pinpoint?

2. You have ruled that my attitude is synonymous with a state of complex. Who enthrones you as the judge, who crowned your head?

3. What is extreme in stating that Ifa is the metaphysical state for much of the physical theories outlined in the quantum equation? Please pinpoint the extremity that you see.

4. What is our reason for accepting Christianity and Islam? Is it because we believe it is right?

I suspect that you are offended by something I said somewhere in my responses and references. I don't know what it is that offended you. Talk to me directly about it and stop these projectiles of accusations and false judgements about me or my views.

Christian tend to claim that human life begins at the moment of conception and that from that moment the embryo or foetus qualifies for full status as a human and deserves to be treated as a full and complete human.

This is based on the concept of life force. Life Force is a energy that is ignited at conception when the active sperm meets and fertilizes the passive blood.

Is this a biblical concept? I contend that the opposite is true. The bible, contrarily, treats human foetuses as though they were mere "human waste".

Bible is not the only authority on the subject and the mention of it in Bible may not follow an academic textbook style of introducing a subject. So if it has an entry in the Bible we should not expect it to be explicit, it would more than likely exist as a parable or a story. In Torah or Quran, it will exist as jurisprudence. Bible or not, human knowledge in all its variant forms bear testimony to the concept of life force and its sacredness.


Please turn to Exodus 21:

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

Translation - In the course of daily endeavors, if a man is charged with accidentally causing a pregnant woman to miscarry, then her husband has the right to demand penance but only to the extent fair in the Judge's discretion.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Translation - If the miscarriage is the result of deliberate strike, then it is no accidental and the murderer shall equally be killed by taking him through those same steps by which his crime was committed.

26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Translation - A man shall respect the integrity of his slave and not violate his/her right of security. If a man hits his slave with brutal force and causes functional loss in the sensory organs, then violation has occurred and as penance for the transgression, the terms of the servitude contract shall end forthwith.

According to the above verses, which is the more egregious crime? Someone causing the lose of a tooth or someone causing the lose of a foetus?

In the case of the foetus, an unconscious life force has been destroyed. In the case of the slave, the experience of a conscious life force has forever been altered. While the slave (now a freeman) suffers an irreversible personal pain that touches him/her and close relatives, the loss of a foetus has the same effect on the mother and close relatives.

Personally, I cannot judge on this one. Huxley, where do you find your whacky topics?

Hanyar Lafiya; Ka bi ta da shekara

The modest path; follow it to victory.

Silenceeeeee! No shoutingggggggggg!

NO! If you were my class teacher we would have a rowdy and challenging encounter on a daily basis.

On a serious note, I like the way you think ahead and take initiatives to work around obstacles. Very impressive and its noteworthy that Seun acknowledged that.