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Then Andrea Buttercup married Joe Gbangmye and dropped Buttercup, now what do you suppose she would be called? Dont even imagine they have a son who plays sports and he is a favorite for the sports commentator.

Giving shoutout to Michelin,

You doing a fine job, we noticed the improvements. Keep it up shawty!

dnt have a problem w/height however, i have to admit i just like the presence that tall fyn guys bring into a room esp those in uniform or business attire and those dressing fly

lmao, Sissy, I heard Shaq will be in chi-town this weekend.  How 'bout that?  Tall and clumsy!

Height is good to the extent that the person has a balance and proportion, the stretch of the limbs and the symmetry is soft on the eyes, otherwise they begin to look like biggie smalls!  lol

A garin neman gira, a ka rasa ido.

In the quest for lush eyelashes, the eye was blinded.

How would women feel if tall men start demanding that they want their women to be tall? A lot of women will be disqualified if a 6'0" guy says he wants a 5'10" woman. Height should not matter!

I lay claim to the entire heritage of Human culture and creativity. I don't care whether it is Chinese, European, African or South american aborigines. They all have something to teach me and I embrace it all.

I do too, I embrace the universal brotherhood but I know where and when to draw the boundary.

One of the biggest problems with Africa and africans is our inability to make objective self criticisms. To much kowtowing to ancestral this and ancestral that. When you place these things above criticism you destroy them or render them useless eventually.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa'. Are africans so stupid that someone is going to come from outside to underdevelop them? Why didn't Europe underdevelop China or India, if Europeans are such destructive people?

Europeans do not see the world the way the rest of the ethnic groups of mankind do. Europeans consider themselves the dominant race and everyone else must bow to their whims. If you don't they put a label on you and seek a way for your elimination. You will yield or you will be eliminated. It is evident throughout history, it is evident now and if you read the policies they are formulating into the future it is very obvious that they intend to continue this practice of exploitation and dominance. They did to India what they did to Africa except they did not ship their people onto a foreign continent as slaves.

I've brought this point up several times but no one's taken the bait, but I'll repeat it again. I don't think Africa is going to develop anywhere until there has been a proper symposium to discuss Why the Slave Trade Occurred in the first place. It is important to bear in mind that the slave trade has been going on before the Europeans came to africa by boat. We were selling ourselves to the Arabs en masse for centuries. Until a proper study has been made of this historical phenomenon, I don't think africa is going anywhere, but backwards, no matter how much you talk it up with claims about quantum mechanics or whatnot.

I am willing to take the discussion up with you. We should not call what the Europeans did slavery, a new name should be found to define the horror. I know it has historically been referred to as slavery, but no, it is far worse. They did not start slavery but they joined in and totally lost their mind and sensibilities and committed atrocities that the slavery institution under the customs of the African traders would never have allowed. Africa's progress is not contingent upon the study of slavery but rather on a change of philosophy. We practice religions that are completely un-natural to us, we speak and communicate in languages that lack spiritual rhythym with our nature,

Arts is a natural endowment, when a people abandon their natural endowment then their nature is lost to them. All the people colonized by England have returned to their indigenous tongues and spiritual worship except Africa and probably Latin America and Mexico, these are the same people and places where third world mentality is still prominent. The Indians, the Arabs, these people are regarded with respect today and considered as technological or financial partners by the Europeans that colonized them centuries ago.

Look at Israel and their situation, who should they truly be upset with, Arabs or Europeans? The Arabs have not killed one third as many claimed to have been slaughtered in Germany. So, yes I believe in universal brotherhood and I understand the history of slavery in ways that many people do not and because of my understanding and enlightenement in this area, , I have choosen to embrace my ancestry and heritage above that of a race of people that seek to destroy me in the name of democracy. Don't carp on me for loving my heritage, without it I won't be who I am.

Let me know when you are ready for discussion on slavery, open a topic and we get it rolling.

Oh, TOH, , You need Jesus! lol.

Lmao, VG is a fraud, a piece of watercolor going for $1million! That's some fuckery!!

Whats going on with my sweetie tonight? Such a vivrant thang, Muah!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO It's all one big conspiracy.

Save me from the CIA, the Loch Ness Monster and the Illuminati.
They're pissed at me because I found out that they faked the Moon Landings and shot JFK.
They'll probably come after me with a Death Ray that they built at Area51 and sell my organs to Grey Aliens.

A backward facing ass is not a valuable target. We will go after Thoroughbreds. Let me know when you have re-orient your head with your path of travel and have lost all traces of your ass breed, we might, I repeat, might , consider you valuable!

LOL. You know why they call them Conspiracy theories? Because they're a con. The whole meaning of a conspiracy theory is that it can't be proven by factual evidence. Yet you'll see assholes running around, rabidly proclaiming that they are totally correct and you're an idiot for not believing them even though they cannot prove a word that they're saying - words that the majority of time have just been lifted from the net without them even bothering to do any research for themselves as to checking the veracity.

While you were busy proof reading noun-verb agreement, we, Conspirators, were busy as far back as 2008 following up on a very important military experiment. In 2009, we were proven correct. Yet the people you and your fellow asses rely on to bring you what you call facts, -the newsmedia- have yet to break this report. I wish to God that konThe was here so he could in fact post the many papers relating to the H1NI virus as far back as 2006, but he is not and I will post the link to the site and you go discover how without the watchful eyes of Conspirators, the military might be glad to use a backward facing ass like yourself as guinepig for their experiments. Since you are in England, go to DOWNLOAD section and click on UK to get full report. If you find grammatical errors, don't worry, Conspirators concern themselves more with substance of information and its usefullness and less on where the comma is placed in the sentence.

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/US_pandemic_influenza_surveillance_gaps:_The_Role_of_the_DoD_Serum_Repository_and_the_Defense_Medical_Surveillance_System%2C_May_2008


Oh listen, with your proficiency in english grammar, have you thought about translating Macbeth from original version to pidgin english? You might make some money, you fur-cking ass!!

Pastor,

I am sure you have read about Homer. The myth sorrounding Homer is deeply ingrained in European classics. Yet when you read his series or watch the plays you will instantly recognize that there are institutions in Europe that protect the history of their classic arts and mythological figures. They have woven what is grandeur and noble about their ancestry and sold it to the world as civilization.

Unfortunately Africans do not have that. I am not one to herald the errors of my ancestors. I cherish their memories and wish to promote it as a lofty and noble ending, however way progeny chooses to judge them; and because I am an ideologue, I choose instead to find fault and flaws in the history and myths of Shakespeare, Homer, Van Gogh, and the rest of those falsehoods sold to us as civilization and path to salvation.

KO,

On the other side of physical, you have metaphysical. This will be like comparing conscious activities to unconscious ones. For example, in conscious activity you can exercise willpower to activate your mechanical mobility. In unconscious activity you can walk or run or climb but your physical body is in no way involved in the activities because it remains mechanically motionless. This is the case when you are awake versus when you are asleep and you have a dream of running after someone or someone running after you. You are the primary driver when you are awake, your spirit is the principal driver when you are asleep. You have two different states of interaction experienced by the same individual.

We believe in the power of Ifa as a divine decree and the practitioners did not exploit or seek to extract its material value, probably because in the wisdom of our fore fathers, doing that might introduce greed that will then lead to impropriety amongst mankind. Physical sciences on the other hand and in its applications is an avenue for acquisition and hoarding of material knowledge and wealth to the disadvanatage and sometimes elimination of a competitive opponent.

Ifa practitioners view themselves as custodians of universal power and this duty carry responsibilities that may not align well with the interest to destroy or harm mankind. Quantum physics is a race for advantageous hand and does not concern itself with a divine code of honor.

Wassup asshole I kept wondering who this person was, , but then I went in your profile and saw the address. What the hell are you doing here konThe? You have lost your gaddem mind.

I got something that you need to read. Jessica have the original copy of the de-classified document, get from her. DHS! Napolitano should be fired!! I cant believe what the furc-k they are setting up but it quickly dawned on them so they hurriedly took the document off internet and re-classified it.

What brought you in here? There is nothing here appealing fr your brain, , beside the bullshit, you are not gonna get the mental feed, I can tell you that. The responses you got here already is the pattern and a testimony. You are dealing with a bunch of northbound asses with their heads facing southward, ,, it will not make a difference how much information you share their vision is as far as the length of their nose stretch in front of the face.

There are handful noble and wise ones with heads like yours, , they started here just like this and after a while gave up and stood back away from the asses' snorts, , careful not to be touched by the stain of the vulgar one. These are the ones who have gone through the surgery to have the NEPA lightbulb in their skull removed. They replaced it with a perpetually lit bulb, , with it they see far ahead of their location and can contemplate events yet to arrive.

, , then you have the asses that still carry that NEPA bulb around in their skull, their state is of perpetual darkness, , they have no clue that they are in darkness though. While their liberties are steadily been snatched from them they gallivant and trot about in their mastery of the english lexicon. What an ass you say! Give them five clues to a problem and they will come back and tell you your comma is misplaced, , they will never connect the dot and solve that problem, , beyond the lexicon they know nothing else, , blind, deaf and dumb!

konThe, , next time you call me a fanatic I will lay siege at your doorstep with a 9,, lmao! Get your behind outta here and go do something more productive than chatting with asses. Beside, ,, looking forward to read your view on document.

Negro throws Theorist under the bus!

Hey Ibime, long time,, hello back to you! What's going on buddy Yeah, Theorist is a good fella, I have learnt a lot listening to him and in fact you are right we have similar styles and that's because he was, ,, and still is my teacher.

Are you sure of all this your submissions that IFA was used to solve quantum physics equations? and that it is also being used by NASA scientists? It sounds to ridiculous to be true. Is the IFA concept really that advanced? If it is true how come IFA adherents are not leading lights in technological and scientific advancements? How come we don't have leading scientists all over the world studying IFA?

Africa has diamond but how many Africans are in the global diamond business? Nigeria has oil but how many of us own wells. Nigeria is the leading cocoa producer in the world but why are we not in chocolate and candy productions?

Your observation is very valid and leads to questions that lead possibly into innovating ideas on originality and creativity on the continent.

Hey man,, if you got the means to sustain the push and pull and all the emotional tensions that come with dating across generations, then you are fine dating a 20yr old, and I definitely do not see problem dating a 28yr old.  You only need to look around you and see what's happening to single women from age 35 above.  

The problem is not the age difference, its the immorality of violating existing vows.  Marriage is sacred, treat it as such.  But we can even take this further,, lets say you end up marrying this girl.  Five years from now what are the guarantees that you will not meet another 28yr old that you hit it off with?  There are thousands of girls out there that are compatible with you and will hit off with you,, it is irresponsible to initiate commitments with each situation you encounter.

You must draw the line somewhere.  In this case with the 28yr old,, you crossed too far beyond the line.  Retreat and pray for strength against her enchanting spell.

Listen to Teddy Pendergrass,

Lookin' back over my years
I guessed, I've shedded some tears
Told myself time and time again
This time I'm gonna win

But another fight, things ain't right
I'm losin' again
Takes a fool to lose twice
And start all over again

Think I'd better let it go
Looks like another love T.K.O. (Oh, oh, oh, )
Think I'd better let it go (What you think about it, girl), let it go, baby (Oh, yeah)
Looks like another love T.K.O. (Mmm, mmm, mmm)

Tried to take control of the love
Love took control of me
'Cause you lose all thoughts, sense of time
And have a change of mind

Takin' the bumps and the bruises
Of all the things of a two-time loser
Tryin' to hold on, faith is gone
It's just another sad song

I think I'd better let it go (What you say about it?)
Looks like another love T.K.O. (Oh, oh, ho, whoa, yes)
I think I'd better let it go), let it go, baby (Oh, baby)
Looks like another love T.K.O. (Mmm, hmm, oh, ho, oh, )

Precisely! Good to see you

@Negro

the inputs are helping but it hasn't solved the main issue cos I havent apologised yet or anything as such. I know I should apologise but man! im so, speechless, showing up at his place might not turn out good or might, i might not get him, txtx, who knows what? I'm jus being pessimistic about the situation.

Good luck and keep us updated on the outcome.

Your IFA knowledge seems quite advanced, are you an IFA faithful?

KO,

No, I'm not advanced in IFA knowledge but thanks for the comments. I am not sure that I want to call myself a faithful. I believe in the dymanism of life and the ability to transform and grow with knowledge and information. What you see is a show of interest in IFA than I have ever been before. Few months ago, I asked an open question - is there any relativity between IFA and information technology, both have a binary element and operate on the same number base. The question led me into places and things I never knew existed and as a result have seen things that I would not otherwise have wished to see. I have always had the knowledge about life and the universe but this new discovery in IFA has enlightened me about life and the universe. As my understanding improves I may very well become a faithful. Life is a constant change, it should never be restrained from the need to expand.

I am so down, ! can't concentrate on my work and books. I'm so far away.

LMAO!!!

You have heard many inputs on what to do.  If that doesn't help, then I think it's time we hear from you.

What do you think you should do?  If this was a friend's situation what advice would you have for her?

Yeah, its bed time, here it is for better clarity,

Thanks a lot but right now, where do I go from here? I really don't like the words I used and said to him no matter what, do I just text him, an apology msg and forget or what? Even when I was texting him, he even called me to aoplogise and calm me down but hey i guess i was blinded with anger and finished him off with horrible words.
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So far you have the right atittude - you admit wrongdoing and you want closure on the bitter episode. Look at that keyword in the highlight. That's your clue. He is conciliatory. Do not be timid, there could very well be legitimate reason to get irate but manage your grievance in perspective of your needs and interest for the relationship to survive. This is not about rights, this is about interests, so you need to negotiate, not demand!

Calm down, remember, R-E-S-P-E-C-T, lmao! After he is calmed and vented, then you can talk love and give him some to pacify him. Okay?

Men do not understand love.  We understand and respond to show of respect.  When you respect a man he will respond to you with love and affection.  You have acted impulsively to disrespect your man.  You have hurt him tremendously and he will respond to you.  When he does, bite your tongue and suck it up.  If you need to take him back and keep him in your arms, then you must subdue your pride and allow him to vent and calm.  Don't talk to him about love, just keep emphasizing to him that you respect him.  He will open up again with love and embrace you.  

are you referring to that time when two hunks (ie you and debosky) had that difference of opinion over some matter?


Its the internet- people always defend what's close to their hearts. True talk.

Who knows- you yourself might do the same thing someday when you're deeply in love

gosh, why am I so calm these days

Tpia,

no, hot debates and arguments like that are norm on Nairaland. Generally, we have a lot of people on this forum and they are very well educated with good jobs and income, but that's all they are. They lack vision and imagination, their abilities to ponder on possibilities, to ask penetrating questions is very limited. They earned their degrees and put on the brakes, happy to unburden the mind of that great task to which all citizens who desire Greatness for their homeland must aspire to uphold. We spend too many hours here counteracting one another's position with theories and claims that does nothing to advance our collective needs and interests.

I was getting infected with the bug, from hanging around those elements too long I noticed that my own posts were beginning to exhibit those attributes of "book wise, knowledge shallow", so this is why I took off for a while.

Tpia,

I stayed away to protect my sanity from people that have eyes and ears and mind but are philosophically blind, deaf and dumb! You know what I'm talking about. lol!

Lmao, don't mind me, I was looking for reasons to come to NY.

I will write later when I get home. As usual my boss is still a busybody,

Pastor,

Honestly, I had to read the explanation of the wheel few times and put it all in perspectives to truly understand whatthe lecturer talked about.


Actually, all three of them, Awo Fatunmbi, Frank Smith and this Lecturer, though expressed independently, are coming to the same conclusion.  

I have not known of any Black nation that indigenously created its own industry or technology.  Black South Africa is enjoying a legacy system left by the White people.  Anywhere you go White nations create the social infrastructures and the road networks that support the local industries.  

So we can agree that there are two types of philosophies - a Black philosophy and a White philosophy.  Okay?

Now Whites take the theoretical principles of knowledge, mixes it with their philosophies and apply it to solve social challenges, this is how they advanace.  

Blacks on the other hand take theoretical principles of knowledge, we mix it with our philosophies and then argue amongst ourselves on whose solution should be adopted.  So we never get to application stage, we are stuck in understanding and troubleshooting.  

IFA has been with us for may many years and for that long White people have dismissed it as pagan worshipping and never cared to study it as a divine scripture.  We, Yorubas never explored its practical applications to solve any of our social challenges.  Time has changed and now White people are interested in indigenous cultures that their colonial fore fathers once dismissed as heathenic practices.  The presence of IFA practitioners amongst Blacks in Americas is helping as well to bring focus and interest.  

Researchers are steadily unravelling the mysteries and hidden instructions in IFA.  Frank Smith for example is a Physics researcher and he said IFA provided to him the solutions to decipher certain challenges in quantum physics.  He contended that Clifford's maths formula is an interpretation of the IFA matrix.  Now, I hope it won't surprise you to know that NASA also uses IFA matrix for space research.  Then there is this lecture where the guy talked about how interpreting certain Odus to mimick motion you can actually construct a helix shaped figure. That figure coincides with the triangle as well as the snail symbol in IFA.  He went further to say that, and this is very important, that one must not study IFA with an academic mind.  That's a code!  What he is saying is that IFA is a mystical order and a scripture, you must approach it with FAITH, whether or not you believe in it, because whatever problem you have, known or unknown, it has the answer for you if you care to take a look.  

There are two universes. The common Universe that we all share, what we call the world.  There is also a personal and individual universe that is unique to each person and is not shared by anyone else.  Each universe contains its own 16 Odus. Each 16 Odu is a duality opposite of the other 16 in the other universe.  Taken together 16x16 = 256, you get the matrix for an individual's path in life - which is self-actualization and social responsibility.  

He also mentioned the four states of being which I interprete as Soul, Mind, Body and Aura.  He equated it to the four astrological elements of Water, Fire, Earth and Wind.  Well, each of those has its own deity in Yoruba culture as well.  

What this guy is leading to, although he restrained himself, is that MAN is god and MAN has free will to propagate but MAN is limited within two polar extremes and a successful propagation comes about only through a balanced and modest way of life, the mid point!  When MAN strays too far from the center and into either extreme end, then he is astray from his destined path and needs consultation with IFA to be redirected to the midway.  He used energy field and mass to explain IWA PELE!

Usually you will expect to see a lecture like this where energy field, mass, matter, space, vacuum, and so on is discussed to make references to Einstein's equation on energy and Isaac Newton's law of relativity but instead he is making references to Odus to express same knowledge that Isaac and Einstein made popular.  

We are sitting on a universal knowledge database.

TOH, I'm going to send you an email. Be sure to respond if you don't want to see me in NY tomorrow morning. lol

Tpia, long time! How have you been?

Here is a lecture note. I thought I'd share this.

The lecturer is applying the Odus to explain universal concept of quantum physics but in his illustrations with the wheel, he ended up with a triangle or pyramid.

His triangle is actually a helix - the motion track of a spiral as it transits through space. Compare it with Awo Fatunmbi's "it creates the symbol of the pyramid based on the mathematical angles that create the golden mean which is represented by the Ifa symbol of the snail."

The outline of a snail's shell when viewed laterally is a triangle/pyramid, but from above it is a spiral curve and when the line is traced you will end with a helix.

Go here for more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral. Read the sub-section on symbols. Look at the attached image also.

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LECTURE NOTE

The Ogunda, Oyeku etc are Ifa names for Goals, at the very level of creation of the universe, an earlier post explains the names, hidden in with another dicussion, I extract them here,

The top item at the Level of Four can be conceptually viewed as
"Mathematicals": infinity/zero (ogbe/oyeku), compiling/decompiling
(oshe/ofun). Academically inclined people would never get past the
conceptual view of them unfortunately. They are much more than concepts.
Viewed non-conceptually, they are the "tools of reality" we are
observably using to manipulate reality at every moment. (I am conscious in
nearly every moment of using them and I am swimming in a sea of their
functions.)

These four olodus form a wheel of change (which implies two triangles, )
with a definite direction of natural motion around the wheel. They are like
this:

ofun
ogbe oyeku
oshe

With a clockwise direction of natural motion.

Ofun is a span of change, a decompiling of reality using progressively
stronger tools of taking apart starting at ogbe and ending at oyeku:
subtraction, division, and roots.

Oshe is also a span of change (in opposite direction from Ofun), a compiling
of reality using progressively stronger tools of putting together starting
at oyeku and ending at ogbe:
addition, multiplication, and exponents.

Ogbe/oyeku is a polarity of absolutes.
Oshe/ofun is a polarity of relative interactions, working in opposing
directions.

All four items of ogbe-ofun-oyeku-oshe are one function which splits into a
polarity, each of which splits again. So depending on which level you are
viewing, they can be a polarity or not.

Another wheel of four items. The absolutes are iwori (infinite space) and
odi (a singularity). The relatives are irosun (energy in various stages of
motion) and owonrin (energy fields with definite borders or edges). One
datum presenting itself from this is that any enclosed space (not infinite)
is an energy field. Since any field is a contracted space, then the universe
is not one space, but a multitude of interpenetrating spaces.


AN ENERGY FIELD IS CONTRACTED SPACE.

MOTION ENERGY IS EXPANDING SPACE.

MASS IS SPACE FULLY CONTRACTED.

Each item of a wheel is one thing in four conditions: two absolute
conditions and two relative ones.

Here's the wheel of UNIVERSES:

owonrin
iwori odi
irosun

Again a clockwise motion. The top of the circle through owonrin is
contraction and the bottom of the circle through irosun is expansion.

Forget anchor points at this level. Defining space in terms of anchor points
was one of Hubbard's many mistakes. There are no anchor points, and no
non-anchored points, in the level of UNIVERSES. Only Beings use anchors.
Only Beings worry about anchors. Anchors are in the next wheel,


The wheel of AWARENESSES:

ogunda
obara okanran
osa

Again, clockwise natural motion. The absolutes are obara and okanran. I had
the direction backward when I first posted it, so anyone who saved it please
correct the diagram. (This wheel is where I personally have the most case,
and is the most difficult for me to perceive.)

A person in space-time consists of ALL FOUR of these items:
1. an unknowable inner self = obara
2. certainty of inner knowing = okanran
3. an unlocatable viewpoint which cannot ever truely be pinned in one place
= osa
4. anchor points (including those used as viewpoints, which is a polarized
case condition) = ogunda

NEXT:
Because I know you will ask about it, here's the wheel of LIFE:

otura
oturupon ika
irete
Clockwise motion, the absolutes are oturupon and ika.


STUDENT:

uh, huh?
what is the purpose of the wheels?


LECTURER:

to flow form one state to another

think of yer Magik 101.

Earth, Water, Fire, Air, flowing from one to another,


STUDENT:

maybe you should draw me a picture.
in color.


LECTURER:

OK, let's take the first wheel

wheel of change

ofun
ogbe oyeku
oshe

Oshe/Ofun is the polarity of the concept COMPILATION! (to make something up or take it apart)

Ogbe/Oyeku is the polarity of the concept MANIFESTATION! (to Manifest or unmanifest!)

so. let's start at Ogbe. Existing as matter, or existing as SOUL! or Yang,

Ogbe goes through Ofun to Read Oyeku

Ofun is the concept of LIES!and TRUTH! to essentially take matter apart into Spirit (or Yin, or Oyeku)

Oyeku (SPIRIT) goes through Oshe to get to Ogbe

Oyeku is the concept of Sticking things together or Destroying them,

So; Spirit (YOU!) sticks concepts together or decompiles them to create new concepts. This is at the level above this unverse, but also in this universe in yer own *mind*

So; Soul/Matter (YOU!) takes Soul/Matter and creates lies or truths about it to take it onto a spiritual realm,

Actually, yah, this is happening in yer "home Universe" from which Unmanifest Potential Becomes Matter and or Spirit,

so, above the concepts of "Universes' is the mechanism of change. Spirit Into Matter

Here's the wheel of UNIVERSES:

owonrin
iwori odi
irosun
Again a clockwise motion.

These act as the field of play which is the universe itself (from which the first Circle of CREATION acts on)

Iwori/Odi is the polarity of the concept of SPACE!
Owonrin/Irosun is the polarity of the concept of ENERGIES!

Iwori is further the concept of both infinite space AND Collapsed space (a point)

Odi is the polarized concept of both a vacuum and infinte solidity.

Iwori (SPACE) is permeated with Owonrin (Fields)

Odi (DENSE!) is expanded via Irosun (ENERGY FLOW OR expansion!)


SO: infinite space filled with energy. As the Flow "Stop" they become "matter" or Dense. Expanding, Dense "matter" (not the same Matter idea as the above circle) becomes Vacuum which is infinite space

Imagine it as a dance from one part of the circle to the next,


STUDENT:

i drew them out and filled in the layman's terms and it makes a little more sense to me.

but if owonrin = energy then what is irosun? i mean,if you take energy and put it into a vaccum or solidify it what do you get?

the wheel i drew was this
energy flow
infinite/collapsed space vaccum/solidity



LECTURER:

energy field

think of light. It is a particle (a flow) AND a field (waveform)

actually, Owonrin is the field, and Irosun is energy flow

so Field goes on top, flow goes on bottom,

ever read a book about physics and Toaism called "The Dancing Wu LI Masters"? It talks about how particles pop in and out of creation in a vacuum, and how they can actually travel as "anti-particles" backwards in conceptual time,

but yah, that's for later probably


STUDENT:

*blink*



LECTURER:

You got the idea

Space (expansive) versus Density (a point of nothing)

Fields (static Forces) versus Flow ( particles moving)


STUDENT:

ah-HA!

k.

it was the static vs. moving that i was still missing


LECTURER:

good! you have it,

now explain the last circle to me, The one of Awareness


STUDENT:

i didn't know there was gonna be a quiz!!!


LECTURER:

try it!

use the list i posted up above last post and compare it to the cirlce in this post.

____________________________

Remember what he said, "Academically inclined people would never get past the conceptual view of them unfortunately. They are much more than concepts." It needs intuitive understanding but logical application.

Is Ifa a god or a religion ? Im a bit confused.

I know IFA is not God and I am not sure it can be classified as a religion either. I'd prefer to say it is a spirituality. Religion require you to exclude from within the fold of your belief system those that do not share in your creed. Religion is discrete - you are a believer and you are saved if you belong; but you are doomed if you don't. It also require that you propagate the teachings of your creed through militancy. IFA does not cal for any of that.

IFA is the spirit of the cosmos - it operates with a universal code that does not exclude or prejudge the ultimate end for mankind.