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I watched the President's State Address last night and the Republican response given by Jindal. Comparing performance, Bobby Jindal is less of a warm and congenial candidate than Sarah Palin. America is in an austere state and people are shrinking into a conservative mode. Going forward in the political arena, I believe personal values and trustworthiness will be given more weight than academic brilliance and corporate resume. President Obama has a high favorable rating not in spite of his academic background but more so because of his trustworthiness and personal values.

The challenge for Republican is beating Obama. Unless Republican party has a better candidate that are yet to be identified, Sarah Palin is the best value match against Obama so far. Bobby Jindal is not it at all!!!

What is your response?

On this data issue and about it being fraudulent let me close it with this. . .

On a yearly basis, JAMB applicants probably number in tens of thousands. That's a huge dataload! For that amount of data units and to have proper record keeping and management their registration/student profile must be archived in a DATABASE on a server. A http website is a display module, not a data storage unit and so the UME data that is posted on the jambng.com website is actually a link into a interface, a pdf file in which the .php program is scripted. Admitted, I wrongly concluded on the apparent use of .php to say it was in Phillipines. If I had done a telnet instead of relying on the IP and PING resolution I would not have made that error. So I apologize for that! After the fact, following Debo's mention, I stepped away from domain identifier and tried a remote connection and was successful. There is indeed a database containing thousands of data units. What you view on both websites jambng.com (which is the cloned copy and in fact done in an illegal manner) and the jamb.org.ng is nothing more than the output of a macro written into the interface program.

If you are looking for the results on Maths, you click on the Maths link. It displays a pre-written result for you. It does not give you the opportunity to do a query of the data units residing in the database and determine your own numbers. It gives you limited access to what is pre-analyzed by someone else that had access to the database. This person has not told you what is included or excluded in the numbers he/she is presenting to you.
The proof that this information is inaccurate is inherent in its output - you are being fed data output from someone who has illegally cloned the official website of the authority that proprietly owns the data. His/her access into the proprietary database and use is suspicious, more so that the access presented to you is limited to the output and is totally exclusive of a very important element for accurate statistical analysis - upper limits, lower limits and the range!

If this is not a pre-meditated message of conspiracy to project data analysis for regional competition, then I don't know what else to calll it. I guess Afaukwu and Ibime, since you both stand by this report (and it doesn not matter if you are looking at 6yr or just 1 yr they are in the same repository and are flawed) then the burden of proof is on you that they are accurate.

Thanks Stallion.  Your point is well taken.  I generally argue for political advancement in Nigeria and I am not a proponent of tribalism but I do not pretend that I have loyal sentiments to my people and under undue attack I will stand up for what I perceive to be unfair judgement or accusations.  Most Igbo people that follow my posts will attest to the fact that I support Biafra moving forward and transforming into the Greatness that it once commanded but in the same breath I could switch and attack those amongst them that are advocating war.  I fight Yorubas that dismiss Ifa as evil worship but I love my people and will come to their defense.  I battle Hausas that miscontrue the true intention and practice of Sharia and hijack Jihad as a weapon against anyone that critic their way of living but yet I give praise to their political savviness and vision.  

I strongly believe that in order to master inter-tribal relationship and cooperation, one must first master tribalism and stern loyalty to identity.  There is nothing despicable with being a member of a white group or a black group or any ethnic or tribal group so long as that membership seeks to strengthen in you the recognition that the cosmos is a beautiful yard of fiber, very colorful and I am one of that colors.  I am beautiful because of the diversity of colors that are rooted in my being.  I call myself Yoruba, it's true but tracing my root back 200yrs there is Edo, there is Nupe, beyond that timeline. . .only God knows!  So I am not tribalist, I am comfortable identifying with Yoruba but with a wholesome view of goodwill for our Nation and that must include integration, cooperation and of course vivid interaction with others.  I cannot view the world with a rosy colored glasses, I must take it for the way it is presented.  A lot of times. . .people will present you with bul-sh-t and if you are timid in your response, their action towards you only gets worse.

To address the conspiracy issue, when I am in Romance section I speak of love, emotions, intimacy; when I am in Religion section I speak of God, worship, esoteric philosophies; when I am in Culture section I speak of customs, traditions and values; when I am in technology section, I speak of applications, programming codes and systems. . .why would it be misplaced for me to speak propaganda and conspiracy when I am in politics section?

I think some of you have a wrong definition in how you perceive conspiracy.  "LOOK WHO IS GOING TO SCHOOL IN NIGERIA: THE STATISTICS MAY SURPRISE YOU" is a conspiracy and it was not fielded by me.  There is a lot of Topics like that in NL, very heavy in their conspiracy message but to the untrained eye, they are nothing other than a discussion.  To me it's a push for dominance and I must push back.  This is politics section, I enjoy those conspiratorial topics and I delve deep into them.  If your understanding of conspiracy is not clear or you are not adept at identifying and countering conspiracy, then please step aside for people like me that love the game to stay in it and enjoy it and keep your opinion of political ineptitude to yourself.  Better yet, move over to Romance or Culture or elsewhere that is free of dogmas, conspiracies and propagandas.

No guns. Allowing guns will result in a rat race to acquire the baddest and most deadly weapon and the people with less arsenal will still be vulnerable and at risk, even though they have gun ownership.

Here comes Ibime sidekick. . .

.com is not limited to America, true but using America as example does not mean I limited location. What do you want me to do, list all the countries in the world where .com is applicable?

Look in the dnetsystems address, in London. Doesn't that conclude that .com is universal? I had the Chatsworth address associated with the .com and knew it was located in London before I came out and talked about the example. That's not an issue.

Correct, I was wrong on saying the .php is in Phillipines and that's because on instant it was what occurred to me but after reviewing the location of the owner and the server identifier I saw the error. It is not Phillipines. I am not afraid to admit error and I won't back off when my point is right.

The data and charts you are looking at on this post has been manipulated. It was exported from JAMB (Let me use the correct word before scoping begins - it was "downloaded" from JAMB site) and engineered.

I insist if anyone disputes my claim I want that person to submit the running data sets with its limits. There is now way you could conduct motion study and not have range and specified limits; no way of getting around it - you will end up with in-accurate numbers. If the dataset is available then the limits are also available, unless there is some monkey business here and that's my upset.

If you probe the IP address associated with the .php link, it does not resolve the address for you. I could not ping it either but then I was able to telnet to the server that hosted it. Again, I made error when I wrongly concluded this was a Phillipines site. Debo is right it is not, nonetheless he attacked my position unfairly and in a way to reveal error than he was concerned about allmy refutations on the false data and chats.

In view of that, I still stand by my statement, this is fraud!

Aloy,

Lmao, which story. . .Yoruba story?

Tpia,

You are right!  I am on your side, please reserve a seat for me.  

It's very painful!  I am a participant on an Hausa forum site and trust me, I battle with them on a daily basis. . . but you can never break through the membrane of their unity, muslim or christian they band together strongly.

The dnet systems IP has a total of 52 domains hosted on it. Here are just 3 more.

4women2women.org

Adamuonu.com

Adkolmemeraldmfb.com

How does this relate to JAMB official duty? If the jambng.com site is not official, then why are we vouching for data sets that cannot officially be verified as accurate? I need someone to vouch for the data info and charts that both Ibime and Afaukwu has used to claim these performance attributes.

Negro I am disappointed.

The page you claimed ended in '.php' doesn't end in that - the domain is still '.com' but the particular page you mentioned was scripted using php. PHP is a widely-used general-purpose scripting language that is especially suited for Web development and can be embedded into HTML.There is no Philippines connection in this. In essence, link 1 & 2 refer to the same website - one is the homepage, the other refers to a sub page.

Second correction, a '.com' domain is used primarily by US based companies but not exclusively, if not, nairaland.com would have to be a US company.

I don't think there is a 'fake' site out there as you claim, the jamb.org.ng site was set up PRIMARILY as a site for making payments/conducting online registration with JAMB - paying application fees and the like, while the other site is set up as a depository of analytical data on JAMB admission data and the like. The two sites are legal, but with varying purposes. It is not implausible that a contract was given out for a new JAMB website in ignorance of the existence of a previous one.

You have not only displayed a poor grasp of web terminology, but instead of focusing on the matter, you decided to once again invent a conspiracy theory to explain it away.

What is it with you and conspiracy theories anyway?

Yeah, it's bad when other people attack SW and Yorubas and I am the only one standing up against the barrage. It's painful when your own fellow SW join in the attack.


Anyway, the JAMB logo is cloned and that is why when you click on it you are redirected to .com and .php. Why would JAMB operate a domain in Phillipines, or in London or America? What you are looking at is called cloning, the same can be done on a phone. It is actuated with the ip address designated to the website.

Can anyone explain who this is person below is? This is the person that registered the .com site. What is his job relative to JAMB?

Registrant:
Dnet Systems
63, Chatsworth Road,
Abbeymeads, Swidon SN25 4TT
GB
44 01793721589
Fax:44 01793721974


Domain Name: JAMBNG.COM

Administrative Contact:
Daramola, Kunle kunle@dnetsystems.net
63, Chatsworth Road,
Abbeymeads, Swidon SN25 4TT
GB
44 01793721589
Fax:44 01793721974


Technical Contact:
Daramola, Kunle kunle@dnetsystems.net
63, Chatsworth Road,
Abbeymeads, Swidon SN25 4TT
GB
44 01793721589
Fax:44 01793721974


Record last updated 01-22-2008 08:48:20 AM
Record expires on 08-22-2009
Record created on 08-22-2001

Domain servers in listed order:
NS0.DNETSYSTEMS.NET 66.232.103.144
NS1.DNETSYSTEMS.NET 66.232.103.144

This guy is hosting the jambng.com site on dnetsystems but if you go to the official JAMB website - jamb.org.ng - you will notice that the site is hosted by Sidmach Tech. I wonder if Sidwell knows that their site has been cloned.

I also have the .php information, name and location of the person but because I used a back door method to obtain it I will not reveal the info. It could lead to legal problem if the server host decide to pursue charges.


To all of you who is yucking at the mouth believing that because a site redirects you to an un-official site is justification for fraudsters to perpetrate deceit, I need you to look at the above info and explain its relationship to official JAMB business.

Oh. . .and I know the registrant of the websites, name and location. This is not the time. When appropriate I shall reveal your fraud cohorts.

Ibime,

My responses in a thread of discussions is always directed to the @ Post. . .ALWAYS!  So next time you want to engage me check first to make sure you understand what my point is relevant to the post and not impulsively jump in with your half cooked google information.  All along on this forum I consistently mentioned the moving study, so there is no way anyone could have mistakenly thought or wrongly assumed that I was focusing on a one year report, unless of course they are fraudulent.

It is none of my business what people do or how they go about pushing their falsehood but you start talking rubbish about my people in SW, you are looking for my trouble and you will get it.  Similarly if you try to pass a smoke screen over their eyes and disguise your nonsense as a fact, you will hear my mouth.  There is a reason why I kept asking for the complete raw data.  If you notice Afaukwu never responded to me. I suspect he knew something was wrong but you big buffon, Mr Best Excel user, Mr Mathematician, Mr Keynesian. . .with your google brain and wiki mind feel it your duty to escalate the falsehood and fraud in these charts and numbers and their stupid purported interpretation. . .you failed to ask questions and when I asked questions you challenge my knowledge.  Well, it's time to reveal your foolishness, your stupidity so I can save my time and energy to battle that sheep call DEDE.  Follow me dummy . . .

This is the link submitted by Afaukwu telling us where he got the crunched numbers.   http://www.jambng.com/per_ume.php


This is your response to him. . .

Afaukwu, thanks for the link (http://www.jambng.com/per_ume.php)


We can now compare Rivers State to Yoruba states in the following subjects:



Maths (no of students who scored above 70% in 2008)

Rivers State - 1710
Oyo State    -   428
Ondo State  -   337
Ogun State  -   745
Osun State  -   395
Lagos State -   535
Ekiti State    -   265


English (no of students who scored above 70% in 2008)


Rivers State - 6000
Oyo State    -   814
Ondo State  -   899
Ogun State  - 1407
Osun State  -   860
Lagos State -   971
Ekiti State    -   603



I shall not even bother with Physics, Chemistry and Biology. We can already see a stark pattern emerging.  

The English results also confirm my assertion that Rivers State indigenes speak the best English in Naija.

Since these results are based on state of origin, how can Rivers State (with a small number of indigenous inhabitants) trounce Ogun State etc handsdown.

I have said it before - The South-West need to get their act together!    


After now, they will say all we know is fishing and militancy.     Despite all the civil unrest (and alternative source of livelihood) in Rivers State, we are still killing them.

That was followed by this. . .

Quote from: Afaukwu on February 22, 2009, 06:36 PM
Ibime, thanks too. I am running out of time. Could you please present a comparative post of SE and SW states for the five subjects of Eng, maths, phy, chem and bio. A beg no vex. Thanks.

. . .and this is from you . . .

I no get time for that - but we all know Igbo states (especially Imo) are doing well in the core subjects.

Meanwhile, I have found one subject where the South-West is leading - Yoruba!  

I have also found another subject where the North is leading - Arabic!

This is from Debo  . . .

Thanks for the responses Afaukwu - you are the only one (and maybe Ibime) interested in having a reasonable discourse here.

I am not saying that there is any tribe-intelligence link, but I am simply asking - what is the relevance of an absolute number of admissions between zones in this case?

Like I said, data showing the PROPORTION of applicants, vis-a-vis the states of origins would give a clearer picture. China may have more people in Universities than Japan, but Japan has a higher proportion of it's population educated.

Ibime is asserting that Rivers and Bayelsa have a 'small number of indigenous inhabitants' but this cannot be verified at this point. If the applicant data shows a trend that a higher percentage of applicants from the SE/SS are getting through, then useful deductions can be made from this data, and we can then say the SW needs to pull it's socks up or not. We already know the North doesn't even have socks on in this instance.  

PS - My Ijaw statement was facetious.  

@ Ibime

An educated goat remains a goat.

Then you countered as follows . . .

You will be surprised at my findings. I managed to export the data to Excel to find out the percentage of people who got a A in Maths. Surprise, surprise, Kano did very well

. . .and this . . .

Don't worry, I am an expert with Excel. I can get you any data you want:

However, this brings up another debate - the census debate. It is almost obvious that Igbo's are the most populated tribe in Naija, yet the census keeps downplaying their numbers and giving them less of the national cake.

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Like I said, I intentionally allowed this conversation to drag on so you can self-expose your own ignorance.  You and I have had a series of debates on bank bailout which I opposed and you supported; stimulus spending which I supported but criticized the application and which you wholeheartedly bought into based on Keynesian principles and then this JAMB statistical report.  We all know what has since happened to bank bailout.  We are witnessing the collateral damages of the stimulus policy but the result if yet to come out.  On JAMB reports you have done enough self damage already without my assistance but I need to share the points with the readers so they can be alert to fraudulent practices on NL.  

Again, this is the link from which you took the data that you and Afaukwu crunched and I don't care if its 6 yr running data or just the one for 2008, the source is the same.  

http://www.jambng.com/per_ume.php   Ends in .php  (open domain in Phillipines)

This is a mock JAMB website.   http://www.jambng.com/   Ends in .com   (Business domain in America)

This is the official JAMB website.   http://www.jamb.org.ng/   Ends in.org.ng  (Private or not for profit organisation in Nigeria)

I want the readers to go to each site and compare and you will find that the jamb.org.ng is the valid source, all others are fake and fraud.  Particularly the site that Afaukwu and Ibime used are located in Phillipines, hence the ".php" designation.  

Since when do we start to rank our academic excellence from Phillipines or determine census numbers and social programms distributions from Phillipines?  Is JAMB outsourced?  


Ibime,   my a--.


Negro throws Ibime under the Locomotive, the Bus is not doing it!  

It's a lot of people here today that appear informed and knowledgable, If google and wikipedia go offline their apparent brilliance will vanish. Ibime is definitely one of those.

Ibime,

Two things. . .

1.

In every conceivable hamlet in Nigeria and most of Africa are men and women from the South-East who toil to make ends meet, and because of their sheer number, the press in Nigeria has continued to assert, albeit wrongly that the South-Easterners have abandoned education.

Why is that so?

Come along with me as we meander through the maze, bare the facts and bust the myth of who is in school and who is not.


We will begin by consulting JAMB, culling figures from UME admissions in the years 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007, and then crunching the numbers and provide the statistics.

Fig.1. Total Admissions for the six year period for the six geo-political zones


It is noteworthy that the South-West lags behind among the three zones that comprise the South, and so for the purposes of this presentation, I will limit the study to the three Southern zones as the Northern zones have historically lagged behind their Southern counterparts.


Fig.2. Admissions for South-East, South-West and South-South


From the above, it can thus be established that the South-East has more of her young men and women admitted to Nigerian universities than either the South-West or the South-South; "quota" system not withstanding. The South-South has been next to the South-East in the number of university admissions in all the years except 2006 and 2007 when South-West made a nominal gain. Within the South-South, it is interesting to note that Delta State is tops, and no attempt will be made on the part of the author to divvy up the South-South for the purposes of this presentation in spite of the fact that Delta and Rivers States have more of their young men and women admitted than Kwara and Kogi put together, so no numbers will be appropriated from the South-South into South-East, in as much as in the same token no remnants of Kogi and Kwara States will be consigned into the South-West.


The South-East and the South-West have far more homogeneity within the population that occupies its geographic space due to language. It is also noteworthy that there is a presence of Ijaw in the South-West but still my subsequent comparison will be solely confined to only the South-West and the South-East.



Fig.3. Male / Female admissions in the South-East


It can be seen from the above that it was only in 2004 that the number of women surpassed the men by a miniscule number. Also note the spikes in 2003 and 2004; I am not sure whether to attribute that to the number of universities under the wing of JAMB or to some other factors. The spike is also apparent when South-East is compared to both South-West and South-South (See Fig.4). It is also noteworthy that the South-East women have continued to keep pace with their male counterparts. To make a blanket statement that the South-East has abandoned education is totally false; that there are a number of men who are gainfully employed either as artisans or traders only goes to show that the South-East population has always been underestimated.


Fig.4. South-East and South-West total admissions


It is discernible that in the years from 2002 until 2007, the South-East has continued to lead the South-West in university admissions. The South-East bested the South-West in terms of number of admissions in both genders also. As to the spikes in 2003 and 2004, my best bet would be that in the subsequent years, JAMB divested from the number of universities under its wing. (See also Fig.3.)


Fig.5. South-East and South-West admissions for males



We can glean from the above chart that there are more Southeast males in the universities than their counterparts in the Southwest. In 2005 ad 2006 the numbers essentially remained the same for each zone.


Fig.6. South-East and South-West female admissions


From the above, there are more South-East females in the universities than their SW female counterparts.


Fig.7. South-East Female and South-West Male admissions for six years



From the above, there are more S females in the universities than SW males.


Fig.8. South-East Male and South-West female admissions for six years



From the above there are more SE males in the universities than SW females


Fig.9. South-East and South-West male and female admissions for six years





From the above, among all genders, SE males lead the SE females barely, who in turn lead the SW males. The SW females are fewer in number of admissions than all others.

We can deduct from the above bar charts as follows:


From fig.1: among the six geo-political zones for six years admissions from 2002 through 2007, the SE leads followed by SS, then SW, NC, NW while NE bottomed out.

Fig.2: The SE leads the three zones in the south

Fig.3: Total male admissions in the SE is more than the female admissions for the six year period

Fig.4: SE leads SW in total admissions for six years in a row

Fig.5: SE males lead their SW counterparts in admissions for six years in row

Fig.6: SE females lead their SW counterparts in admissions for six years in a row

Fig.7: SE females lead SW males in admissions for six years in a row

Fig.8: SE males lead SW females in admissions for six years in a row

Fig.9: In all genders, SE males are tops, followed by SE females, then SW males, while S females bottomed out

In conclusion, if we add up the number of young men and women who are admitted into Nigeria universities together with the South-East men and women who are in the remotest conceivable hamlets of every state in Nigeria, and the rest in the West African sub-region and other parts of Africa, who are wrongly accused of having abandoned higher education while there South-East peers hold their own, it makes me to still demand to know how many we really are; the Nigerian state continues to spew out spurious population censuses.

Finally, if the South-East has more people in the universities when there is no reason other than that they have more candidates applying for same, it would be right and appropriately so to postulate that it in terms of population, there are more people in the South-East than either in the South-West or the South-South.

So the next time they tell you that South-East males have abandoned school, point the statistics in their face. And more poignantly ask them: O bu anyi anaghi eme ofuma; anyi oga egburu unu onwe anyi? (Aren't we doing well already; do we commit suicide for you all?)

But wait, in the next segment when the 2006 population census will be analyzed, the reader will be in for more shocker; the 2006 population census has Oyo State as the most populated State in the South-West outside Lagos, with a population of 5,591,581, while the most populated state in the South-East is Anambra State with a total population of 4,182,032. However in 2007 JAMB admissions, Anambra State recorded a total of 8,725 in admissions while Oyo State had 3,788….I am crunching the numbers.


Due to space limitation all the figures could not be uploaded; however the rest of the figures can be studied at the link below

Forget space limitation, have the numbers thatyou and your cohorts are crunching sent to my email. You crunched numbers, right? . . .and you want me to provide statistical report using the numbers, am I correct? Well, send them to me with the MOVING RANGE and limits.


2.

I have told you - never assume that anything I do is the limit of my intelligence, even if I do 1+1 for you. I thought you would have learnt your lesson from the sonning you received on the Keynesian multipliers thread by now.

Keynesian multipliers was not some complex exclusive theory, it was available over the internet and in blogs. Everyone and anyone could read it and propose their agenda. You want to appear smart and your method is to follow the lead of populist dogma instead of breaking out of the crowd and inserting refreshing and intellectually moving opinion. I am not a follower, I am a leader. Let me remind you again, I am a Shepherd, not a sheep.

For all your Keynesian click here, read here information that you obtained from google and brought to NL to impress, what is the outcome of it in the political arena? I told you the theory is not the problem, it's the implementation that should be reviewed. You have a WH policy that will reward irresponsible homeowners with subsidies paid by responsible homeowners. You have people on minimum wage praying to be fired from gainful employment so they could go collect social benefits and afford more on that subsidized payment than the earnings of their labour was able to accomplish for them. KMA with your nonsensical Keynesian shallowness. Theories are meant to be applied with good judgement, not with irrational arrogance of elitism.

I think the picture below your last response accurately describes your disposition ; . . . and that's being polite!

No be today wey we start JAMB analysis. We have studied the figures from 2002 JAMB on previous threads and the trend is definitely in favour of the SS and SE.

I'm sure, but today may be the last time for you. Unless you steer clear of using arithmetic to explain statistics you will not obtain accurate representation, expecially when comparing performance year over year and if you have done that in the past, then I sympathise for people who used your data report to make decisions.

In which way did I misrepresent the data?

I will give you the link again:

http://www.jambng.com/subject/MATHS.pdf

Disprove my percentages. I did not claim that my analysis was the only statistical measure, but it is by all means a statistic measure, and in no way is it fraudulent.

Look, I am not disputing your ability to do mathematical calculations for average and median and all that. . .most elementary students can do that, but I do dispute your inability to question the fallacy in the charts and data posted to highlight the claim made by the topic of this discussion. If you see the error and failed to call it, then you have supported the falsehood in the claim. If you see the error, failed to call it and then went on to put your credit on the line for its accuracy by further expanding the realm of error then you are a fraud. . .for concealing the initial falsehood and by propagating additional layers of falsehood atop of it.

You took long enough to make yourself clear. Not percentiles of one state against the other as I assumed you were talking about. . . . but percentiles ascribed to the performance of individuals within a state. . . . .OK, you have won back some respect. . . .

You assumed wrong! My respect never went anywhere.

You are still not getting it. . . Ibime, why can't your mind sort through complex ideas and you need step by step explanation to paint the picture? I know it's not me because the same thing I am getting ready to say Debo already laid it out in numbered steps on page 1.

Here it is. . .in order to give accuracy we must assertain certain things.

1. What years are we looking to tabulate and compare?
This was from 2002 to 2008. Actually 6 years and not 7, I was mistaken.

2. For 2002,
. . . what were the total number of students registered to take JAMB?
. . . what is the pass score? If it's 70%, is it graded (c=70 to 80; b=81 to 90 and a=91 to 100)?

Ask the same question for 2003, 04, 05, 06, 07 and 08.

3. For 2002,
. . .what was the enrollment number in the Universities?

Get the numbers for each successive years within the study.

4. Are all states represented in both registration and enrollment of students?
Example. . .If there was a riot in Kano that dislocated exam and enollment then that's concerned "out-of-process" and you must make allowance for Kano by assigning a weighted load otherwise your calculation will get out of hand unless that occurrence is consistent for the 6 years running and in which case Kano is an outlier and you don't need its inclusion and thus will not be reported in the final analysis.

You get the idea? This is called controls! Without controls, you have no clue what the moving range is up or down of the goals. Over a 6yr period, the goal will never remain the same, it will change.

but lets assume we wanted to assign percentiles to the performance of individuals within a state. . . . don't you think that only an idiot would be asking for intra-state percentiles when we are given the data in blocks of 10 (eg no of students who scored between 50 and 60, 60 and 70 etc). Only an idiot would go around talking about percentiles when presented with data in that format. Any normal person will simply do what I have done and represent the data in Percentage ranking.

Well, now that I have explained it I will excuse your ignorance.

Intuitively, just by looking at the data, I can tell you Rivers State will outperform all other states even if you look at the percentiles? Why? because they have the lowest no of failures and the highest no of A's. It will take a large data shift toward the lower end of the pass mark for any other state to eclipse Rivers State.

Of course I expect that over a 6yr period that the analysis will indicate that each state has strengths and weaknesses in various areas. . .Rivers State may top in English in 2002 (which would instantly indicate that we are less likely to see many Rivers students enrolled to study maths for that year matriculation), Sokoto may top Maths in that 2002 (indication that Sokoto students will enroll more in science studies for the year) and Ondo may top in Physics for the same year. You will ssee same indicators pop out at you when study the results at regional level, instead of state by state and there should be fluctuations in the performance year over year. But to give a consistent outperformance in one region over the others in all categories for a 6yr moving study and credit it with accuracy is fraudulent.

There are many ways of analysing the data, not just by looking at the percentage A's and the percentage failures of each state as I have done. Show us one of the numerous ways of analysing the data.

I just explained it, its called "attribute analysis" and there is only one way for it "attribute control charts". Your data must first be validated before you start generating charts, otherwise you will find it inaccurate and the statistical confidence level will be low and unacceptable for decision making.

Lets see if you are a man of your word or a punk.

Negro throws Ibime under the Bus again!

You can only calculate moving range with continuous data. Idiot! Oya, calculate moving range with just 2008 data, let me see!

One year data (2008) is not sufficient evidence that SE is consistently beating SW in school enrollment.  You need historical data to come to that conclusion.  Without historical data, you do not have control limits.  Without the limits you cannot stastistically validate the argument.  C'est Finis!  If it's not a continous data what do you call the stastistical charts report going back 7 years to 2002?  

If you go by the 7 year historical data from 2002, then you must determine the range and the limits.  Otherwise your shameless arithmetic quartiles will lead to infinity. . .  If 20,000 students take JAMB and there is placement for only 10,000, then since you are analysing enrollment, your base is the 10,000 that will get admission, not the entire 20,000 that made the test score because 10,000 will remain behind un-enrolled.  What else do you have to say in justification of your arithmetic quartiles, dummy?  The 7 year continous data, does it have limits or not and if it does where are they?  

Don't worry, next time, I will not only find moving average for you, I will predict future volatility using Heston model, just for you, so that the rest of Nairaland will be befuddled. Idiot!

Mumu, step out of wikipedia and google.  You are famous for arguing theories that are abundant and openly available to all and sundry.  I want you to exercise your intellect, not your acquisition of click here, read here lessons from google.  

Who is trying to impress you? I simply calculated percentage performance of states, and you came here saying my analysis is fraudulent. Oya, prove it!

Oh my God!  This sheep is still repeating his fu-k--ng error!  The calculation must be done on the data set for the test scores, the raw data. . .not for the states!  Only after getting the percentiles from test scores do you concern yourself with states.  You set attributes for how you want the percentile datagram to be represented. . .by state? . . .by gender? . . .by religion? . . .etc,  since we are talking about state, so you choose state and then you sort in ascending or descending order and then filter to produce the ranking.  You can also do it using pivot tables.  

You are a mathematician? Really?  You are a shame to the prestige and honor of that discipline.    

Yeah, thats right, 36 states is too small a sample set to be talking about percentiles when we can just as easily represent the data in deciles or quartiles. Doofus!

You better look in the mirror for your doofus. . .what data?  If I hear you say number of states once more, afterall I have coached you. . .

When will you give up? Or do you like to argue for the sake of argument? You are doing nothing but entrenching my perception of your  my stupidity

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You damn right are stupid!

(1.) First, you came on talking about "attribute control" which is completely irrelevant to the data we have been presented with. I quickly silenced you on that.

(2.) So, you decided to change tack and started talking about process testing. Again, I showed you that process testing is for continuous time-dependent data, not the static 2008 data we have been given. Again, I silenced you on that.

(3.) Next, you started asking me why I didn't use percentiles. After I shot that down in flames, you yourself turned 360 degrees to concede thus:

It is incoceivable that you are a mathematician and cannot sustain complex abstracts in your mind without loosing focus and panicking.  You need medication for your ADD.   Go back and review the threads to refresh your memory. . . you are lost in there somewhere.

Sharrap! Present something! The data we have allows us to do basic statistic calculations such as percentages, mean, median, variance etc. Produce just one of these!

I don't need to.  If you come to the market with a box full of bricks at the price of wide screen tv and I call you out as a fraud, and I proved that you are a fraud, then I am not now obligated to compensate your loss for loosing customers. You need to cover your face in shame and depart the marketplace.  You are a fraud and a disgrace to Statistics. . .and in fact Mathematics!

The data you have will not produce accurate statistical report with sufficient confidence level to satisfy the claim "SE OUTPERFORMS SW IN UNIVERSITY ENROLLMENT", which was the whole discourse of this post.  Like I said before and I will say it again to my SW brothers and sisters, Ibime is a fraud, along with his SE cohorts trying to replace truth with falsehood by selling you statistical bu-lshit to create chaos!  

Do you recall my first response to your post?  In case you forgot, here it is. . .  

Ibime, I like what you said about statistics being a indicator for social planning, you should add that in the wrong hands it could become a tool for social chaos.

Why the hell should I prove to you that I know about percentiles and percentages? Bloody idiot! I have been mentioning quartiles all this while and your bovine brain does not understand that when we talk about quartiles, we are talking about percentiles

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So why then did you calculate arithmetic averages and percentages in excel when you could have simply determine the moving range (mean) and set the upper and lower limits (if you know what they are) and validate the claim of these charts? quartiles do not mean anything when you do not have the range, dummy! Can someone from SE please explain statistics to Mr Dumb and Dumber? I am not a statistician but I know more than enough to be dangerous and your theory of mathematical calculations to explain data sets does not impress me. Maybe you impress other people with your box of dead weight bricks, not me.


Mumu, you are not savvy in data manipulation. What you do is you calculate percentile for the test scores and then sort and filter by state to determine ranking. You don't calculate percentile based on the number of states, that is not big enough sample base to give you a statistically high confidence level. This is why I said that the data as it is presented is not sufficiently controlled to give stastical accuracy. But you did not understand that. . .you lacked simple understanding what I meant by the statement.

I do not have to present any statistical calculation here, there is no data for me to do it and vouch for the result. You want me to follow you into stupidhood by repeating you error with arithmetic and mathematical representation. Your pressure does not hold value. I could tell from your responses that you have not been doing stastistical analysis in your excel, heck you said

Why should we talk about percentiles for a data set containing only 36 states? Any normal person would rather talk about quintiles, deciles or quartiles

. So if you had 100 states then you would have calculated test score percentile for them, right? Yeah, SE, that's exactly the region you should represent!


Dranoel,

Thank you for that information. This goes back to the conclusion that you can make data say anything you want depending on your target audience and the message you are advocating.

If I have the full data set with all the limits I can generate a statistical report that will lend credibility to the claim that SouthEast is struggling to reinsert itself back into mainstream Nigeria and that policy is reflected in the surge in University enrollment. You can make datasets say anything you want but there are rules to plotting the deviation charts and that rule was violated here on this topic. Hence the charts are unreliable, although the message of propaganda is loud and clear.

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Dude, do you even know what you are saying? Village empires but the British and portuguese raided their art works cause it beats anything they ever saw. They fought the British portuguese hard when they came. Stop being critically ignorant . And what empire or system of Government was there in your region? New York? Abeg bros forget that thing!

Dede,

9ja beat me to it! I heard there was a Igbo Empire. Is that true?

You are neither a student of recorded events nor physical sciences and engineering. The last time I checked on the phrase, Banza Bakwai, your people from Kwara State constituted the largest number of the group.

I am sure you have also heard of Benin Empire and Oyo Empire. Right?

Ibi, the young man from Rivers State, is laboring very hard to MIS-educate you but you seemed to embrace truancy SMARTNESS. From the trend of the discourse, it will not be a surprise to breathing humans that only data which would be acceptable to you are the ones compiled in Yoruba language by the son of the soil.

I don't see anything wrong in that.

I urge you to rally your folks in order to pay homage to Dr. Jibril Aminu because of the job the dude from north did in a school that is still spotting the name your tribal Icon.

May God Bless all the people who in sacrifice of their time, money, knowledge or any means of personal resource are willing to stand up and share in the goodwill of humanity, a true unity of brotherhood for the people of the world. Quite different from people who constantly agitate for war and destruction and division and fail to see any light of hope in their own transformation, much less that of others. Thank you for calling for a homage for Dr Aminu, he is a blessed man.

. . . except that you have no clue what the average is for the data you are calculating and neither do you have knowledge of the percentiles and thus you loose grip of the control limits.

I challenge you to dispute my figures. You have the data set, please produce your own ranking according to percentages and tell me if they differ from mine

There is difference between percentile and percentage  


I gave you benefit of doubt, hoping it was an error and didn't call you out but when you repeated the ignorance it clearly concludes my earlier statement that "you are a waste of time" for galivanting around the web calling yourself an excel expert for standard deviation and you don't even have a clue to know that there is difference between "percentile" and "percentage".  

Like I said, the percentage ranking gives everyone an indisputable measure of who is performing or not.

Percentage is a mathematical calculation performed using 100 as the base.  A primary 6 student can do that.  You do not need analysis for what you did, it's a point and click program in excel that does the arithmetic for you and ranks the data column in ascending or descending as you want.

You need certain data information to accurately determine the percentile for the data set you have from JAMB.  Everything you have calculated and analysed ( ) so far are mathematical, not statistical!  Your analysis result is a fraud!  

Ibime, you are a shame to the SouthEasterners that are using these charts to pump up pride.  You just dissapointed their cause.

Negro throws Ibime under the Bus!  

In ten minutes I ranked all the states according to their scores in Maths. It was obviously done by excel-commands, not human input. Even Einstein couldn't alter the data to ensure a favourable outcome in so short a time-span.

You are a waste of time!  You are calculating mathematical averages and ranking the results in ascending or descending order.  You are fool!  Primary 6 student can do that.  

For your information, the data set you are looking at, as it exists, does not have the limits with which to plot distribution for accurate reporting of regional performance.  More information is needed to create accurate report.  JAMB, by producing this report is telling us that they are monitoring the process over a range of time, spanning 7 years.  Which indicates that they are controlling the sampling to create measurable indices that will alert them to disparities in performance.  Is the testing "in-process" or is it "out-of-process"?  Are we accomplishing goals?  How can we set triggers to alert us to improvement needs in the process?  In the third year you can take the results of the two previous years and observe the control limits and tell if you are in or out of process and make modifications to sustain student enrollments in Universities.  This is the swing I alluded to earlier.   If you have a 7year data that is concistently performing at above par you should do inspection of your data for outliers as well as an analysis of variance to find the root cause and adjust your range.  

I am sure JAMB have these control limits in place and without it it is wrong to give a mathematical calculation as an accurate representation of a much needed stastistical analysis to pinpoint how the regions stack up. I have repeated this in enough times.  Debo was the first person say that "there is not much to deduce from these charts".  I will put it in bold so you can see it. . .

THESE CHARTS AND THE ANALYSIS OF THE SELF-PROCLAIMED EXCEL EXPERT MUST BE TAKEN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, THEY ARE NO MORE THAN THE WORDS OF A POLITICIAN DECLARING THAT SOCIAL PROGRAMS MUST BE RE-DISTRIBUTED BASED ON JAMB RESULTS IN FAVOR OF SOUTHEAST ABOVE OTHER REGIONS OF NIGERIA.  


Ibime get off the Bus!

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Negro switches hat!

Now, where is Dede?  Dede speak up!  Where are you?   Have you heard of Banza Bakwai?

Lady Teeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Yes sweetie, still very much around and breathing!! . . .waiting on bailout. . .

How are you doing dear?

This is not an anlysis of passing grade or university entry barriers.

It is an analysis of a report outlining disparities between volume of enrollment in universities located in distinctly separate regions.

To obtain accurate attributes you use a "Attribute Control Charts", you sheep!  Whatever name you call it, passing grade, test scores, fail rates, competency measures, call it what you want, the question is valid; there are inaccuracies in the data and you do not know that because you don't know the proper questions to ask or the specific pointers to look for and tell if a data poll is accurate or not.  Stop feigning knowledge, you crowned yourself as a very proficient excel user.  I am challenging you to prove your proficiency publicly.  It is me and you, answer my questions in the earlier post if you are truly a believer in your claims.  

Mumu, what does the fact that we are talking about standardized test have to do with your failure to detect error in stastical data.

It is people like you, dummies, that fell for MADOFF scheme, people believing in a stastistical data that consecutively year after year gave a 100% returns in a volatile market that is known traditionally to swing up and down.  I told you, I am too smart for you to sell that box to, I don't care how much it weighs it is not a wide screen tv, it is packed full of bricks.

We did an analysis of a standardised test, looking only at the test scores, not the passing grade.

. . .except that you have no clue what the average is for the data you are calculating and neither do you have knowledge of the percentiles and thus you loose grip of the control limits.  Dummy!  JAMB is not for quantity evaluation, the process is for quality evaluation.  As I said earlier, for a dogmatic message of course you could frame the data and produce analysis to say whatever suits your fancy, which is exactly what was done here.  You believe you could sweep through without any counter measure and you forget Negro is here.  You are using JAMB result to skew information and propagate ethnic sentiments but yet when you face my fire you whine that you don't like propaganda.  Really?  You don't like propaganda when it is selectively against your favor.  You sheep!

You Yoruba folks in here, don't mind this fool, his analysis is a fraud!

Afaukwu,

Thanks for providing more clarity on the charts.  There's a lot of holes in the data and I can prove it.  Do you stand by this chart as accurate and you vouch for it?  

Ibime, I like what you said about statistics being a indicator for social planning, you should add that in the wrong hands it could become a tool for social chaos.  In the data you dumped into excel, there were somethings you did not question and I think Debo raised the points, although he did so vaguely.

The charts we are looking at here, since it's talking about education, and unless Afaukwu meant to draw some political significance out of it, belongs in the EDUCATION sector, not in POLITICS where we constantly throw ideologies and dogmas back and forth at one another.  It is my conclusion that I should give a political response to the post, and I will.  First, I want to outline the incorrectness in the charts that you all are looking at and after that I will take my statistics hat off and put on my politics hat.  Having said that, Dede, I heard you.  I have a response for you, don't go anywhere but be patient to clear the misgivings of this calculation first.  

You can bring out any interpretation with data in a way that you want it to serve your message.  This chart looks like, smells like and taste like propaganda.  But don't worry my friends, Negro is going to chew it to bits and spit it out.

JAMB is a process.  It is the process for measuring the students aptitude on one hand and his/her capability to analyze and resolve problem sets on the other.  So that if you understand the theory of a particular concept or knowledge then you should be able to tackle and resolve any question relating to that theory even if you are encoutering that question for the first time.  JAMB is blind to your level of scholarship.  There are many students that pass JAMB but turn out to be misfit for academic pursuit and there are many that fail JAMB but are advanced in knowledge.  Is this true or not?  

JAMB produces data and statistical reports based on certain measures and goals.  Everyone of us in here have been through JAMB if you graduated high school in Nigeria.  The Universities are customers to JAMB and they control the flow valve at the dam, so that the measures and indices are transiently raised or lowered based on what goals they seek to meet.  Example: if over a two year consecutive period applicants overwhelmingly fail maths, then the point grade may be lowered to allow more to pass.  

Why am I bringing this up?  I know some of you that will say too much talk.  Sit down and learn something here so that in future you will not be sold polished glass for the price of diamond.

So how should JAMB run this process so that it does not leave people behind that deserve to be enrolled in University or that it does not admit people into University that truly and honestly need to go through remedial preparatory tutoring in community colleges?  

You have three controls in the data.  You have a moving range, a upper control limit and a lower control limit.  In a review of data for 1000 grade report you can plot the control limit (which becomes your average) and then the upper and lower control limits (which become your tolerance levels).  The passing grade will move up and down between these controls and as it does so you will have accurate information upon which to base the report on regional performance.  It's a swing!  The variances also play important role in that as Debo mentioned, there are extraneous situations that are beyond the concern of JAMB or its process but which nonetheless impact regional performance.  Can the below par performance indicated for SW be interpreted as an evidence of ineptitude or is it the conclusion that investment in higher education does not yield a return on investment that makes it worthwile to sink money and time into?  Does the above par performance in SE a new surge in aptitude or a newfound recognition that earning a degree is fundamental to participation in the mainstream society?  These are questions that should be pondered.  

Again, I ask, Afaukwu and Ibime since you both have had opportunity to analyze the data in excel, how are you controlling the data to make sure that you obtain a high confidence level in the report?  You are not JAMB, neither am I, but if you will speak on behalf of these charts then be prepared to defend it.  

Give me your labels on the charts on page 1 please.

@Post,

I studied your charts, your distributions are skewed. I noticed that in every categories the SE was above par. Did the data include variations or not and if it did what were they? Also, it appeared that in one instance you were using averages but in another you used top percentile - mixing apples with oranges.

Produce the raw data and let us verify the numbers independently.

I heard a term this morning on radio and it struck a note and got me thinking about something I read some years ago in Final Call. Final Call is the newsmagazine published and distributed by Nation of Islam.

In conjunction with that, I reflected to a post I saw yesterday here in NL politics section that says Naira has lost value due to the global economic problem and now exchanges . . . I think the poster says at the rate of #154 to $1 or some figure close to that. It was an interesting post but I did not respond because I find it difficult to reconcile my thoughts about the poster.

Let's put our warrior hat on, enter into the war planning room and give proposals and inputs to this question (Pick any country you like for the role play):

If you had to, how would you wage a financial war on a sovereign state?