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sino:
Before anything, provide the narration that states that mut’ah was forbidden at khaybar till day of qiyammat in Arabic. Then I’ll take your comment seriously, and provide the reference too.

Permit me to refresh your memory for I had posted it earlier, the list of sahabas who confronted Ibn Abbas (ra), who believed that mut’ah was permissible, compere with the reported silence of the sahabas when Umar (ra) passed a verdict prohibiting it.

These are the Sahih narrations about Ibn Abbas permitting mut'ah:

5116 – حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا غُنْدَرٌ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ أَبِي جَمْرَةَ، قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ: سُئِلَ عَنْ مُتْعَةِ النِّسَاءِ «فَرَخَّصَ»، فَقَالَ لَهُ مَوْلًى لَهُ: إِنَّمَا ذَلِكَ فِي الحَالِ الشَّدِيدِ، وَفِي النِّسَاءِ قِلَّةٌ؟ أَوْ نَحْوَهُ، فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: «نَعَمْ»

Ibn ‘Abbas was asked regarding temporary marriage with women so he allowed it. On this one of his slaves said, “It is only in harsh condition, when there is lack of women?” or something of that sort. So Ibn ‘Abbas said, “Yes.” (Sahih Bukhari)

In a tradition from As-Sunan Al-Kabeer (14166) by Al-Bayhaqi Ibn ‘Abbas (ra) responded to the criticism of Sa’eed bin Jubair on his view on Mut’ah by saying, “I did not intend that, neither did I give such ruling regarding Mut’ah. Mut’ah is not permitted except in case of necessity. Indeed it is like the dead meat, blood and the flesh of swine.”

What we gather from the above hadith is that, Ibn Abbas thought Mut'ah to be permissible like eating pork due to necessity, this alone defits any other argument to say that Mut'ah is still permissible, for we know that the ruling on pork meat is Haram! Asliyan!

But did other sahabas agree with him?! we read further that some sahabas questioned his judgement amongst them were...

1. Ali (ra)
5115 – حَدَّثَنَا مَالِكُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ الزُّهْرِيَّ، يَقُولُ: أَخْبَرَنِي الحَسَنُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ، وَأَخُوهُ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِمَا، أَنَّ عَلِيًّا رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ، قَالَ لِابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ: «إِنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ نَهَى عَنِ المُتْعَةِ، وَعَنْ لُحُومِ الحُمُرِ الأَهْلِيَّةِ، زَمَنَ خَيْبَرَ»

Al-Hasan bin Muhammad bin ‘Ali and his brother Abdullah bin Ali both narrate from their father [i.e. Ibn al-Hanafiyyah] that ‘Ali said to Ibn ‘Abbas, “The Prophet (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) forbade from Mut’ah and the eating of domestic donkey’s flesh during the time of Khaybar.”

In Sahih Muslim it is like this:

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللهِ بْنِ نُمَيْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللهِ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنِ الْحَسَنِ، وَعَبْدِ اللهِ، ابْنَيْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ، عَنْ أَبِيهِمَا، عَنْ عَلِيٍّ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يُلَيِّنُ فِي مُتْعَةِ النِّسَاءِ، فَقَالَ: «مَهْلًا يَا ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ، فَإِنَّ رَسُولَ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ نَهَى عَنْهَا يَوْمَ خَيْبَرَ، وَعَنْ لُحُومِ الْحُمُرِ الْإِنْسِيَّةِ»

‘Ali heard of Ibn ‘Abbas being lenient regarding Temporary marriage so he said to him, “Wait O Ibn ‘Abbas! Indeed the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) forbade it during Khaibar and from the meat of domestic donkeys.”

In another version of Sahih Muslim he said to Ibn ‘Abbas, “You are a person who has been led astray…”

2. Abdullah bin Zubair (ra)

حَدَّثَنِي حَرْمَلَةُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ وَهْبٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي يُونُسُ، قَالَ ابْنُ شِهَابٍ: أَخْبَرَنِي عُرْوَةُ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّ عَبْدَ اللهِ بْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ، قَامَ بِمَكَّةَ، فَقَالَ: «إِنَّ نَاسًا أَعْمَى اللهُ قُلُوبَهُمْ، كَمَا أَعْمَى أَبْصَارَهُمْ، يُفْتُونَ بِالْمُتْعَةِ»، يُعَرِّضُ بِرَجُلٍ، فَنَادَاهُ، فَقَالَ: إِنَّكَ لَجِلْفٌ جَافٍ، فَلَعَمْرِي، لَقَدْ كَانَتِ الْمُتْعَةُ تُفْعَلُ عَلَى عَهْدِ إِمَامِ الْمُتَّقِينَ – يُرِيدُ رَسُولَ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ – فَقَالَ لَهُ ابْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ: «فَجَرِّبْ بِنَفْسِكَ، فَوَاللهِ، لَئِنْ فَعَلْتَهَا لَأَرْجُمَنَّكَ بِأَحْجَارِكَ»

Abdullah bin Zubair stood up in Makkah and said referring to a person, “Allah has made some people hearts blind as they as He has made their eyes blind; they issue verdict in favor of Mut’ah.” So that person called him and said, “You are uncouth and lacking in manners. By Allah, Mut’ah was practiced during the time of the leader of the pious i.e. the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam).” Ibn az-Zubair said to him, “Then do it by yourself. By Allah if you do that I will stone you with your own stones.”

3. Ibn Abi ‘Amrah al-Ansari objected to Ibn ‘Abbas on his view on Mut’ah. Hence, Abdur-Razzaq reports in “Al-Musannaf” (14033) through Az-Zuhri from Khalid bin Muhajir:

عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنِي الزُّهْرِي، عَنْ خَالِدِ بْنِ الْمُهَاجِرِ بْنِ خَالِدٍ قَالَ: أَرْخَصَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ فِي الْمُتْعَةِ، فَقَالَ لَهُ ابْنُ أَبِي عَمْرَةَ الْأَنْصَارِيُّ: «مَا هَذَا يَا أَبَا عَبَّاسٍ؟» فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: فُعِلَتْ مَعَ إِمَامِ الْمُتَّقِينَ. فَقَالَ ابْنُ أَبِي عَمْرَةَ: «اللَّهُمَّ غُفْرًا، إِنَّمَا كَانَتِ الْمُتْعَةُ رُخْصَةً كَالضُّرُورَةِ إِلَى الْمَيْتَةِ، وَالدَّمِ، وَلَحْمِ الْخِنْزِيرِ، ثُمَّ أَحْكَمَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى الدِّينَ بَعْدُ»

Ibn ‘Abbas permitted Mut’ah so Ibn Abi ‘Amrah said to him, “What is this O Ibn ‘Abbas?” He said, “I did it during the time of the leader of pious.” Ibn Abi ‘Amrah said, “May Allah forgive. Indeed Mut’ah was an exemption like in the case when the dead meat, blood or the flesh of swine is necessary. Then Allah completed his religion after that.”

4. ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar also raised his voice against Ibn ‘Abbas regarding Mut’ah. Abdur-Razzaq (14035) reports:

14035 - عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، عَنْ سَالِمٍ، قِيلَ لِابْنِ عُمَرَ: إِنَّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يُرَخِّصُ فِي مُتْعَةِ النِّسَاءِ فَقَالَ: «مَا أَظُنُّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ يَقُولُ هَذَا». قَالُوا: بَلَى، وَاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ لَيَقُولُهُ قَالَ: «أَمَا وَاللَّهِ مَا كَانَ لِيَقُولَ هَذَا فِي زَمَنِ عُمَرَ، وَإِنْ كَانَ عُمَرُ لَيُنَكِّلُكُمْ عَنْ مِثْلِ هَذَا، وَمَا أَعْلَمُهُ إِلَّا السِّفَاحَ»

Saalim said: It was said to Ibn ‘Umar that Ibn ‘Abbas permits Mut’ah with women. He said, “I do not think Ibn ‘Abbas says that.” They said,
“Indeed, by Allah he says that.” So he said, “By Allah, he would not say such a thing during the lifetime of ‘Umar. Indeed ‘Umar would punish you on such things. And I do not think of it except as adultery.” – This narration is present in Sahih Muslim but without mentioning Ibn ‘Abbas.

Again, no one brought Qur’an 4:24 as a proof for it, not even Ibn Abbas (ra) nor did anyone bring Qur'an 5:87.

And to your continuous mention of Makkan jurist, here is what one of them was reported to have said:

Ibn Jurayj a Makkan Jurist died AH 150 was reported thus...

Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani (rah) reports regarding ibn Jurayj’s (rah) opinion of Mut`ah: “Abu `Awanah narrated in his Sahih from ibn Jurayj that he said to them in Basarah: “Bear witness that I have retracted my Fatwa.” After he narrated to them eighteen narrations that there was no harm in it.”

source: al-Talkhees al-Habeer 3/160, Musnad abi `Awanah 3/31 #4087.

If you want to claim that your scholars that permitted you all to say mut'ah is halal, and that these majority of sahabas including Ali (ra) were all misguided by affirming the Prophets prohibition, then who do you guys follow? and what religion do you practice?

iamyet:
Soooo are you saying he can't get RESPECT from others?.....just following your line of tot ooo

enieme:
good. What course if I may ask?

enieme:
Baraakallahu FihI. But u also recieved secular education too?

enieme:
am in.

ok. Noted. If I may ask, are u student of knowledge (attending Islamic school)

ShiaMuslim:
Mr Olai, how can you call something that at a point in time was permitted by the Prophet "evil"? From all account, Sunnis agree that mut'ah was at a point in time-during the lifetime of the holy Prophet-permissible and also practiced by the sahabah.

The Shia differ in that they insist mut'ah was never made forbidden later on by the Prophet (s), but it was prohibited by the second Sunni caliph Umar and see that prohibition as bid'ah.

That is the point of contention: whether it ceased to be permissible or not.

Aside, it can be described as a "discontinued Sunnah" at worst, and was practiced during the lifetime of the Prophet by the sahabah. Your Hadith books record sahabah who were born out of mut'ah. How can you then refer to it as evil? Mut'ah marriage carry all the conditions of permanent Islamic marriage, and the only exception being that it is with a limited timeframe/expiration. Also, a virgin or a dependent female cannot practice it on her own without the consent of her male family guardian. Likewise in permanent marriage, a dependent must seek permission of her male guardian.

As for the article, I stopped reading where it is stated that a child born out of mut'ah cannot inherit from his father. I also wanted to stop before that where I read that mut'ah is about a man paying a woman to satisfy desires. These are fabrications and lies just to discredit the Shia for holding on to a Sunnah and rejecting a bid'ah by Umar and nothing more. Mut'ah is a remedy to pro$titution and widows and divorcees.

Since you refer to it as "one of the evils Shia people are spreading on the land", can you tell us more about "the evils Sunni people are spreading in the land?" Have you heard of MISYAR pro$titution? At least mut'ah is Sunnah and supported in the Quran in verse 4:24. But misyar practiced in Saudi is not. What of JIHADUN NIKAH (Sunni girls ganged ra.ped by Sunni fighters as their contribution to "jihad" ) practiced in Syria by Sunni terrorists? Is that not evil? What of adult brea$feeding? Is that good and Islamic to you?

You guys should stop your filthy ignorance against the Shia. This hate of yours will not stop the Shia ideology and the teachings of the Ahlul Bayt, which is nothing but pure Islam in accordance with the Holy Quran and the Sunnah. You cannot fight a faith or beliefs which live in people's minds and hearts with lies and intimidation. It wouldn't work. It will only depict you as filthy or a foul ignoramus. And by Allah, these false accusations and propaganda will only harm Islam in general and all of us as Muslims in eyes of non Muslims. Even in the bible mut'ah is there. It can be compared to concubinage which prophets of Allah are recorded to have practiced, e.g. Prophet Solomon (as).

May Allah guide us all.

enieme:
Well, I shared it cos I found it online and I felt I may get other opinions regarding the topic and thankfully that ive got.
Next time I'll just post it in question then,rather than post an inconclusive fatwa

enieme:
Well, there's difference of opinion and one can choose to follow whichever school of thought one wishes to on diff issues

ShiaMuslim:
Mut'ah is not a pre-Islamic Jahiliyyah practice as you claimed. what would happen to verse 4:24? you cannot therefore compare Mut'ah to a Jahiliyyah practice like alcohol consumption. in the Holy Quran Allah (swt) first revealed in verse 2:219 that in alcohol is greater harm than good. then in verse 4:43 it was revealed not to approach prayer in a state of drunkenness. Then in verse 5:90 it was revealed that alcohol is an abomination and the work of shaitan, so avoid it.

no where in the Holy Quran after the revelation of verse 4:24 was Mut'ah gradually discouraged. you may provide us with a verse, like in the case of alcohol, where Mut'ah was forbidden. you cannot!

secondly, there were sahaba born out of Mut'ah and there are records in Sunni Sihah books that it was practiced after the death of the Prophet (s) by Sahaba revered highly by Sunnis, and the idea of it being prohibited came during the time of the second Sunni caliph Umar Ibn al-Khattab.

the Shia sheikhs could not have "fabricated" hadiths in highly revered Sunni books such as Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim even though there are numerous Shia narrators accepted as trustworthy in the Sihah hadith of the Sunnis. and yet, many hadiths did not find their way into Bukhari and Muslims because hadiths in Bukhari and Muslim were cherry picked to conform to certain ways, beliefs and concepts held by the authorities of the time.

clearly, Mut'ah marriage is a subject of dispute between the Sunnis and Shia. again, you come to my point that the contention is whether or not Mut'ah was forbidden by the Prophet (s) in the long run or whether he never forbade it. it is wrong to call it "evil" when it is authorized in the Quran and there is no verse prohibiting or abrogating it in the Quran. the Quran takes precedence over hadiths. the hadiths cannot abrogate the Quran if the Quran does not abrogate itself. in fact, we do not even believe in abrogation. what is in the Quran is valid for all times.

it is true you cannot compare Misyar and Mut'ah. it did not even exist in the time of Jahiliyyah, nor was it practiced at the time of the Prophet (s). Misyar has no place in the Quran and Sunnah. complete bid'ah and can rightly be called pro$titution.

you are clutching at straws and trying hard to make a response. the facts are there regardless of the adjectives you use to label a Sunnah of the Prophet (s).

ShiaMuslim:
Mr Olai, how can you call something that at a point in time was permitted by the Prophet "evil"? From all account, Sunnis agree that mut'ah was at a point in time-during the lifetime of the holy Prophet-permissible and also practiced by the sahabah.

The Shia differ in that they insist mut'ah was never made forbidden later on by the Prophet (s), but it was prohibited by the second Sunni caliph Umar and see that prohibition as bid'ah.

That is the point of contention: whether it ceased to be permissible or not.

Aside, it can be described as a "discontinued Sunnah" at worst, and was practiced during the lifetime of the Prophet by the sahabah. Your Hadith books record sahabah who were born out of mut'ah. How can you then refer to it as evil? Mut'ah marriage carry all the conditions of permanent Islamic marriage, and the only exception being that it is with a limited timeframe/expiration. Also, a virgin or a dependent female cannot practice it on her own without the consent of her male family guardian. Likewise in permanent marriage, a dependent must seek permission of her male guardian.

As for the article, I stopped reading where it is stated that a child born out of mut'ah cannot inherit from his father. I also wanted to stop before that where I read that mut'ah is about a man paying a woman to satisfy desires. These are fabrications and lies just to discredit the Shia for holding on to a Sunnah and rejecting a bid'ah by Umar and nothing more. Mut'ah is a remedy to pro$titution and widows and divorcees.

Since you refer to it as "one of the evils Shia people are spreading on the land", can you tell us more about "the evils Sunni people are spreading in the land?" Have you heard of MISYAR pro$titution? At least mut'ah is Sunnah and supported in the Quran in verse 4:24. But misyar practiced in Saudi is not. What of JIHADUN NIKAH (Sunni girls ganged ra.ped by Sunni fighters as their contribution to "jihad" ) practiced in Syria by Sunni terrorists? Is that not evil? What of adult brea$feeding? Is that good and Islamic to you?

You guys should stop your filthy ignorance against the Shia. This hate of yours will not stop the Shia ideology and the teachings of the Ahlul Bayt, which is nothing but pure Islam in accordance with the Holy Quran and the Sunnah. You cannot fight a faith or beliefs which live in people's minds and hearts with lies and intimidation. It wouldn't work. It will only depict you as filthy or a foul ignoramus. And by Allah, these false accusations and propaganda will only harm Islam in general and all of us as Muslims in eyes of non Muslims. Even in the bible mut'ah is there. It can be compared to concubinage which prophets of Allah are recorded to have practiced, e.g. Prophet Solomon (as).

May Allah guide us all.

lolaed:
This thread shouldn't make home page at all. It contains too many wrong information.

How can you call something that brings about creation filth.

There is a problem with people lifting articles off the Internet. There is a lot of wrong info all around. You need to learn from true scholars and stop spreading falsehood.

I hope tbaba1234 is still on this forum.

and do we have moderators? this shia-sunni nonsense is an unnecessary distraction.
@enieme

lolaed:
I cant read on after the MouthAction part.

It is not outrightly forbidden in the quran or hadith. so I dont see why anybody will make non prohibited acts prohibited for themselves.

Saifullah01:
Arguing with the Shia's is tantamount to looking for a pin in the darkness. They are Always looking for technicalities to cause 'shubha' (doubts) among believers.

Imagine one of the reason adduced by them above to exclude the wives of the prophet (AS) from his household as being the pronoun used (Kum) is masculine! Every amatuer student of Arabic knows that while feminine pronouns are exclusive to the feminine gender, the masculine pronouns are not, and are used generally to address groups of individual comprising of both males and females (as it is in the case of the prophets household AS).

The Shia's ideology of condemning the wives of the prophet is similar to the ideology of the khawarij of old, where sin is absolute and condemns a person. Thus to them if a person steal he is condemned to hell! This ideology is contrary to the teachings of the Quran where repentance not only expiate your sins but grants you double rewards, Allah says in the Quran “Except him who repents and believes and does a good deed so these are they of whom Allah changes the evil deeds to good ones and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful” (q25v70)

So for the sake of argument let's assume some of the sahabas and the wives of the prophet are guilty of what the Shia's accuse them of (May Allah forgive and guide us) can the Shia's with certainty claim they didn't repent and ask Allah's forgiveness, and if they did were they forgiven? My advice for my brothers is rather than waste our energy condemning our noble predecessors lets instead do what the Quran advices us; mind our business and pray for forgiveness for them.

“And those who come after them say: Our Lord! forgive us and those of our brethren who had precedence of us in faith, and donot allow any spite to remain in our hearts towards those who believe our Lord! surely Thou art Kind, Merciful.” (Q59v10)

“This is a people that have passed away; they shall have what they earned and you shall have what you earn, and you shall not be called upon to answer for what they did” (q2v141)

Finally, for every interpretation or understanding we claim to derive from the Quran we must ask ourselves some pertinent questions;
1. Do I have any predecessor among the sahabas who understood this verse the way I did.
2. How did the companions of the prophet understood the particular verse
3. How did scholars of the second and third generation after the prophet understood the verse

It would be the height of injustice to knowledge to feign a particular understanding of which neither the prophet (AS) not his sahabas nor the second and third rightly guided generation after them are a party of.

AlBaqir:
# As expected. You were corrected on the right methodology of "salat ala Nabiyy" yet you arrogantly brought unrelated issues to cover up.

# @Underlined, are the wives of the Prophet amongst his Ahl al-bayt? Our submissions are very simple and crystal clear. Generally the wives, the cousins and the uncles were definitely part of the Prophet's Household. However, Prophet himself limited the list to five individuals [His blessed self, Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussein] in connection with the following: Ayat Tathir (verse of purification in surah Ahzab:33), Ayat Mubahala (surah Ahl Imran: 61), Hadith Thaqalain and Hadith Khalifatain. In these events and blessings, ALL the wives and other relatives were excluded by the Prophet himself.

You are free to challenge this and in sha Allah you will be mesmerized.




Obviously you have displayed ignorance and hatred here. These two defects block one's heart of understanding.

# According to the Quran, some group of Munafiq among the Sahabah fabricated lie that Umm al-Mu'minin Aisha committed adultery. Allah the Just cleared her and rebuked these filthy liars.

* You are challenged to present a single SAHIH Shi'a tradition that accused Umm al-Mu'minin Aisha of committing adultery.

# What Shia accused Umm al-Mu'minin Aisha of are the following as stated in sura Tahrim (chap.66): Plotting against the Prophet, Having a Zaghat (deviated) heart, and deficiency in about 6 noble characters.

# She was also accused of fighting against the "Rightly Guided Khalifah", Imam Ali. Implication of fighting Ali is fighting the Prophet himself and Allah. Umm al-Mu'minin Aisha herself confessed she committed INNOVATION after the demise of the Prophet.



Kindly present those verses that showed the wives of the Prophet were part of his "Ahl al-bayt".

Lastly, you and I don't need to deviate this beautiful thread with the issue pertaining to the Ahl al-bayt or wives of the Prophet. You are not the first to challenge and obviously not the last. Many have been put to sword on this issue. I invite you to an appropriate thread where Ahl al-bayt and Umm al-Mu'minin Aisha have been discussed at length:

https://www.nairaland.com/2715836/fatima-bint-muhammad-leader-women

AlBaqir:
That salat ala Nabiy of yours above is Batil. You can correct yourself or align with the Nawasib.

Al-Albani (d. 1420 H):

"You have known from our previous discussions that in all the methods of making salat upon the Prophet, peace be upon him, there is mention of his Ahl al-Bayt and his family. This is why it is incorrect to make salat upon him, peace be upon him, alone. Rather, one must attach the family to him. In fact, one must mention the complete method from its beginning to its end, as it has been narrated, bound by his
statement, peace be upon him “say: O Allah, send salat upon Muḥammad and upon the family of Muḥammad….” when they asked him about the method of making salat upon him, peace be upon him."

Ref: Muḥammad Nasir al-Din al-Albani, Aṣl Ṣifat al-Salat al-Nabi (Riyadh: Maktabah al-Ma’arif li al-Nashr wa al-Tawzi'; 1st edition, 1427 H), vol. 3, p. 933

AlBaqir:
To be continued in sha Allah

AlBaqir:
The greeting of Islam {as-Salam alaykum...} was legislated when Islam came. Prophet Muhammad was reported to have said: “The Jews didn’t envy you a thing as much as they envied you your greeting (salaam).”* If salaam did not concern this umma only, the Jews would not envy it. And the Jews and the Christians were part of Adam's offspring. How did Abu Hurayra say: “When Allah (S.w.T.) had created Adam, he said to him: Go to greet those angels and listen to what they will greet you with because it is your and your progenies’ greeting.”

* Ref: Refer to al-Qastalani in his book Irshad as-Sari, vol.10, pg.492

gimakon:
One question, when you say your prayers, you say in mohammeds name? If the answer is no, we say in Jesus name, O lord hear our prayers, guide and protect us, in Jesus name.

Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father only by me. If we solicit for our selves and we ask God for things through his own child, I don't see it as wrong doctrine. The same way we see it, is the same way you see mohammed.

What if I say the mosaic laws of moses, you worship moses, because virtually old testament laws is what every Muslim follows.

See how silly and dragging you talk. Ok your Quran speaks of Jesus as Al mashish,i do hear muslims saying they have accepted Jesus as prophet and Allah as his god, so many things... I would conclude and say the only confused religion in the world is islam. as much as they confuse you,they confuse themselves also.

I didn't bother to read about your ibrahim, false tales are what your imams preach, I wonder how one person would practice a religion and would make you come here to say islam is the oldest religion, do you realise that a religion is accepted by many? Let someone like me form one new religion and see how people would look at me.

No day confuse me jare.

Annunaki:
And you think muslims don't worship mohamed Why do muslims all over the world kill for merely drawing mohamed cartoons if he is not revered as a god? Why do you guys go and worship at his grave in your so called pilgrimages? Why must you always mention his name when praying to your so called allaah? Why the (pbuh)always stated when you mention his name? Why do you guys insult God by labelling a vile character like mohamed the best of God's creation I put it to you, muslims worship mohamed whether you admit it or not, you worship a mere demon possessed man who a paedophile, armed robber, rapist, murderer, liar, adulterer and psychopath.

stonemasonn:
Everything you said make sense except "Monotheistic creed of Islam is what Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and even Jesus (peace be upon them all) practiced" the Jews and some Christians would be offended by it. Now tell me what is the "Monotheistic creed of Islam" ?

clevvermind:
this can confuse pastor o.

gimakon:
Indirectly , you call Christianity False.
We worship God. We send our prayers to God, thru Jesus.

and abraham, whats his business with preaching? Where in your quran did it show that abraham preached the gospel?

gimakon:
Islam , always proving points with sheer pointlessness....


read this

The largest Abrahamic religions in chronological order of founding are Judaism (2nd millennium BCE),[6] Christianity (1st century CE) and Islam (7th century CE)

Fro here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

For Gods sake, if you are NOT sure of something do not post it to support your claims, Islam is one of the worlds newest religions, Who is even telling you that islam is old, how old, 1400 years? when there are religions like the old religion that has existed for nearly 2000 years (6 A.D)

AlBaqir:
The above ruling is Sheik Salih's personal Ijtihad which is contradictory to other Scholars Ijtihad. And none of these Ijtihad is binding or obligatory on ANY Muslim.

# Everything is Halal (permissible) in Islam except where there is a clear directive that it is Haram (forbidden) in the Quran and Sahih ahadith from the Prophet. Anything not mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah is never forgotten by Allah and His Messenger. The Ummah is free to exercise their Ijtihad in line with their understanding of the deen on this "unmentioned issues".

# The fact that there is no documented evidence that sahabah greeted themselves "Jumah Mubarak" is never an evidence that the greeting is "forbidden or discouraged". There were lots of things that some Sahabah did that we NEVER followed them in doing that. And there were lots of things they did not engaged in that we do.

Example:

* Saying after the mentioning of Sahabah, "Radi'Allahu anhu/anha/anhum" is never commanded or recommended by Allah or His Messenger despite the fact that the wording was revealed as part of Quran and the Prophet himself recited it as part of the Quran; and even the Sahabah themselves recited it. Yet we do this very often without a direct or indirect command of Allah and His Prophet. It is only approved by Ijtihad of the Ummah.

* When the verse of Salawat was revealed, there is a direct command upon the believers to send salat and salam upon the Prophet [surah Ahzab]. However, the holy Prophet was asked by the Sahabah, "How should we send salat upon you?" Prophet replied, "say, "O Allah send salat upon Muhammad and the progeny of Muhammad in exactly the same manner that You have sent salat upon Ibrahim and the progeny of Ibrahim...; and (O Allah) send barakat upon Muhammad and the progeny of Muhammad in exactly the same manner that You have sent barakat upon Ibrahim and the progeny of Ibrahim...". The shorter version of this salawat is "O Allah! Bless Muhammad and the progeny of Muhammad"

This or similar salawat is the prescribed salawat by the Prophet himself. This is what even the Sahabah did. So why is it that today we have INCLUDED a phrase that was never commanded, recommended or prescribed by Allah and His Messenger into our salawat by saying: ""O Allah! Bless Muhammad and his progeny and his companions altogether.

Who commanded us to insert "and his companions altogether"? This is an Ijtihad agreed upon by the Ummah.

#Example of this kind of "Ijtihad" is abound that practically has no directive order in the Quran and Sunnah. Saying "Jum'ah Mubarak" or "Barka Jimoh" etc on Friday is mere greetings that foster love, affection, brotherhood and prayers between the Muslims. This is a kind of unqualified "good things" that Quran recommend.

Quran declares:
And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better (greeting) than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all things{surah Nisa:86}.

In this ayah, greetings can come in any form. It doesn't matter. The command is greet equally or better than how you were greeted. In my Neighbourhood, we greet ourselves on Friday, "A Ku Jimoh oni o. Emi wa a se opolopo re laye o". Not returning the greeting equally or better is a violation of this noble ayah. Surprisingly, even we greet ourselves "E Ku Sunday o Ni o; E Ku ojo meta o; E Ku owuro o etc. Are you saying since Sahabah did not greet themselves as such, then it is to be avoided? Weird.

Salam