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@OP; You cant make money without enslaving yourself, boy, grow up.

With the quality of Nigerian movies, I dont think this should make headline news.

Our jersey is OK, what we need is to play well in SA come 2010.

I will go for any of these: olabowale, abuzola, uplawal, atheists.

And the award goes to . . .  . .

Talking of Multiple Personality Syndrome, me-thinks abuzola=up lawal.

OBJ still providing comic relief outta office

But with the health challenges, is the President fit to continue, or are some people using him to be close to the corridors of power?

Quit now, Bakare tells Yar’Adua

By Theresa Onwughalu and NDUBUISI ORJI
Monday, December 7, 2009


As the health of President Musa Yar’Adua continues to dominate public discourse, Pastor of the Latter Rain Assembly, based in Lagos, Tunde Bakare has charged the president to resign from office immediately.
Bakare who gave the charge yesterday while speaking at the church’s service on the theme “Beginning of the End” said the health challenge of the president warrants that he vacates office immediately as a patriotic duty to the nation.


He warned President Yar’Adua that “if you don’t leave the office, the office is about to leave you.
“ If the truth must be told, the health challenge of our president in spite of all propaganda to the contrary warrants his immediate resignation as a patriotic duty to our nation,” he said.
He said his duty as a servant of God is to warn the nation of the danger the country is in at this critical period of uncertainty about the health of the president and the controversy of who succeeds him in the event of any eventuality. He said the current situation of President Yar’Adua will throw the country into a precipice if care is not taken.


Bakare said it is one thing to be given a message and another thing for the people to receive it and change for the better so as to avert the wrath of God.
“The warning finger of a prophet is not an accusing finger. It represents a timely warning to people who might come under divine wrath except they repent,” he pointed out.
He continues: “it is not his fault. He would not have chosen all these sickness and diseases. He would have loved to serve this country like his father did in the first republic,like his brother did before he died. He would have loved to do it, but here comes physical incapabilities and infirmity.”


That notwithstanding, he said there is an urgent need for President Yar’Adua to resign his office in the overall interest of the nation.
“Much as my heart goes to the president and his family, we have consistently maintained that the presidency is not a birthright or hereditary title that requires the occupant to die before somebody takes over.”
He said the failing health of the president has created an illconceived vaccum in the leadership of the country. He maintained that Nigeria today neither has a functional president nor a functional vice president.
“It is an insult upon our collective intelligence for the president to travel for treatment under anesthesia, being in coma and does not tramsmit to his assistant.

Source: http://sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2009/dec/07/national-07-12-2009-00-001.htm

muhsin:
The adjective "defenceless" really amazes me. Your people apparently killed hundreds of Muslims camouflaging as cops, using sophisticated machine-guns. Yet they are defenceless. What a description? And Muslims only used machetes, stones, etc.

That was confirmed by many non-governmental, international organizations, e.g. Amnesty International.

Do you really have facts to support your claims? Don’t your people also masquerade as cops? Stop spewing nonsense here.

muhsin:
I can't believe you actually "witnessed" the violence. If you really do you would not have said that baseless crap.

I personally witnessed some; and read about others.

What are you talking about? For those of us that lived in the North and experience first hand, the massacre of Christians in the North, including muslims of southern Nigeria extraction (because when the chips are down, muslims of southern Nigeria extraction are all treated as Christians), I don’t need any biased hausa muslim to give me any fact about the massacres, BTW, I am writing a memoir on my experiences on the re-occuring muslim violence against Christians in the North.

muhsin:
Neither Mai-tatsine nor Boko-Haram had Christians as target. The former attacked populace, and the latter government. Everyone knows that.

That is the lie you muslims like saying . . . was the ECWA pastor and the other pastors/ Christians that were massacred in Borno government workers?

muhsin:
And, for example, this your recent OP : Zamfara Pilgrim Dies Stoning Devil is to "praise" Muslims? Wonder.

Wasn’t I trying to relay the death of a Nigerian in Makkah across? Stop derailing the OP.

BTW, the Original Poster has ran away from the thread?

[quote author=9jii. link=topic=360432.msg5053837#msg5053837 date=1260020899]Of all the 3 religions only the xtian have no knoledge of God n still dinyn d teachn. the songs n dance can't please God worship do.[/quote]Then why was mohammed plagiarising the Bible if Christians had no knowledge of God? are you talking about allah, the idol of the kuraish tribe, which was housed in the kaába or YHWH? of course only Jews and Christians worship YHWH.

toneyb:
I think we are not on the same plain here. Let me clarify the point I was trying to make. I was trying to show you that the Oldest document which we have existing says talks about a rainbow. The Epic of Gilgamesh is the first detailed written evidence of human civilization. Its predates the story of Noah. The Noah's story was passed from one generation to another through Oral tradition and was later written around 1000 BC or 1250 BC according to some scholars.The Epic of Gilgamesh was writing before the Noah' story was written, It also could have been passed from one generation to another through oral tradition like the Noah's account before it was written down in 3000 BC. The point I was trying to make was that the earliest writing document talks about a rainbow because it was written before the Noah's story was written even though the Story was been told Orally and had not yet been written down.

You do not have evidence that the epic of Gilgamesh was written before Noah’s story, because it was documented around 3000BC, while Noah’s story was documented well before then . . . stop confusing yourself with atheists literature, the next thing you will hear them desperately trying to deny that Jesus ever existed.

toneyb:
I was pointing to a story that talked about the rainbow that was written before the one of Noah was penned down.

No matter how you now try to deny, the fact remains that Noah’s flood occurred 1656 years after creation, even from your points, you said the story was documented around 3000BC, way after Noah’s flood.

0hsisi:
Who said earlier that Islam will enter every home.
They are right in a way.The fear of Islam has entered virtually every home.
Who wants to die before their time at the hands of a lunatic?

Ha ha ha, ohsisi.

toneyb:
Where is your scientific peer reviewed paper that says the earth is 6000 years Old? There were civilizations that date up to over 10000 years ago so what are you saying?

Even if the earth were older, that do not change the fact that your documented evidence of the rainbow is 3000BC, whereas the global flood took place about 1656 years after creation, meaning in essence that it was first seen by Noah before your Sumerian king saw it in 3000BC, no?

toneyb:
I will not debate the already debunked YEC propaganda. Even answersingenesis website which is the biggest YEC resource material website on the internet have dropped a number of those claims, as being unable to stand up to inspection even by their standards. (Moon dust, The earth's magnetic field) and put them under the ''Arguments that should never be used'' category according to their website.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-, ts-we-dont-use

Even your fellow YEC in answersingenesis agree that these claims are baseless and untrue.
But in case you want to read more about how these baseless claims have been debunked here is a link.

http://paleo.cc/ce/yeclaims.htm

Moreover this thread is not about the age of the earth. I only indulged you because of your denial that the king of sumeria first saw the rainbow in 3000BC before Noah. No matter how long you date the earth, including our modest estimates, the fact still remains that Noah first saw the rainbow, about 1656 years after the world was created BEFORE your sumeria king saw it.

Nigeria is richly endowed . . . blame your leaders for thieving away the means to change our lives.

muhsin:
With much respect to the thread's topic, I would like to pin-point sth. here and in the same race debunking some of your (above) baseless accusation of Muslims killing defenseless Christian in the North. I know deep down inside you know that is but a bastard lie. Repent ASAP or else you'll be penalized by God, the Creator. Will you?

You are one who needs repentance. How can you say this lie over the blood of numerous defenceless Christians who were killed by muslims in the North?

muhsin:
Following reading that your claim, I went over my archives, looking for stuff to read. Let me tell you, many of the "things" I read come from no-religion sources. I read them, though very quickly, for I feel it 'neccessary' to come up here and reply. I quite know some of these violent were under-reported or unreported at all.

What do you mean by ‘no-religion sources’? I did not tell you what I read in the papers, I was relating what I personally witnessed in the religious upheavals in Kaduna and Kano. If you did not witness it, no need coming here to refer to sources you yourself can not trust.

muhsin:
What I so far understand (I'm trying to be as unbiasedly as possible) are;

1st;

Nigerian medias have lots to shoulder in fanning flames of crisis in this country. Media, as a double-edge tool, can help in either cooling off the conflict or escalating it; Nigerian ones, due to their unprofessionalism, help always in doing the latter--instigating and escalating it. Too bad. Thence folks like you are succumbed viewing things wrongly.

Was it Nigerian journalist that equipped the maitatsine people and asked them to be attacking innocent Christians? Or was the media helping the book-haram leader to unleash mayhem on defenceless Christians in Borno?

muhsin:
2nd;
Muslims are not guiltier in kicking-off disputes than non-Muslims. They are, in fact, not even that guilty except on a very few cases, contrary to your aimless and baseless accusation against us.

Yes, I believe Christians are guilty of one thing: leaving they states to come and reside in muslim dominated northern Nigeria.

muhsin:
Exapmle include; Muslims backlash following Kaffanchan genocide of Muslims; another one in Kano after ethno-religious massacre of Hausa/Muslims at Yelwa-Sheldam, Jos; Shagamu upheaval, clash between Muslims and Christians over "Miss World" beauty pageant slated to be held in Abuja, which was ignited by [i]This Day newspape[/i]r, to mention but a few. And remember Mr. Gedion Akuluka,? Who descreted on the sacred Quranic papers in my state, and host of others.

The genocide in Kafanchan began by muslims trying to dominate the Christian minority in Kaduna south, no Christian can trigger a war on muslims in Kano (you are just lying to suit you), muslims also wanted to dominate Jos, hence beginning a campaign to subdue the mostly christian owners of Jos. The miss world pageant terror in Abuja began by muslims as a carry over from the Danish demonstrations over a cartoon of mohammed. For God’s sakes, were the cartoonists Nigerians? Yet you people killed many Christians over this.

muhsin:
What I just believe is that; we might only be charged aptly for "religious intolerence". And that, simply put, means our "retaliatory action" or "responsive" one towards provocative and thoughtless action always perpetuated by non-Muslims, e.g aforesaid cited examples, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t try to be self righteousness, your prophet aptly encouraged you not to make friends with Jews and Christians, and to kill them wherever you see them, so no need claiming piousness, islam was spread by terror and it shall continue to be.

muhsin:
We always say; leave our prophet alone. He's unjokable, untouchable, leaveable and everything. We never toy neither we do tolerate anyone making fun of him. And so is our Qur'an and so on. But you never listen. Why? This is whats mostly degenerating conflicts between us.

May God guide us all to the right and straight path, ameen. May He bring bliss to Nija, ameen.

Why cant you people leave Christians alone too? Ehn? Wanst this thread began by a muslim to ridicule Christians? Sharrap!

@abu-safwan;

Visit this thread to see the numerous contradictions/fallacies in your Koran.

You will notice that your brothers fail to defend the Koran as we have answered your questions, so no need repeating them here.

I am copying this argument from viaro. For more on the koranic flat earth visit this thread.

*  "And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet);
        set thereon mountains firm and immovable;
        and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance."
      ~~ Yusuf Ali's translation, Quran 15:19


   *  "He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out;
       has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels);
       and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced
       diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others."
      ~~ Yusuf Ali's translation, Quran 20:53


   *  'And God has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),'
      ~~ Yusuf Ali's translation, Quran 71:19

Quran 79:30: And after that He spread the earth,
Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha


وَالأرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِك دَحَاا هَا
دَحَا = daha= spread out , level off , level. The last ha = هَا in dahaha means this.

Lisan Al Arab - Duhiya:

الأُدْحِيُّ و الإدْحِيُّ و الأُدْحِيَّة و الإدْحِيَّة و الأُدْحُوّة مَبِيض النعام في الرمل , وزنه أُفْعُول من ذلك , لأَن النعامة تَدْحُوه برِجْلها ثم تَبِيض فيه وليس للنعام عُشٌّ . و مَدْحَى النعام : موضع بيضها , و أُدْحِيُّها موضعها الذي تُفَرِّخ فيه .ِ

Translation: "Al-udhy, Al-idhy, Al-udhiyya, Al-idhiyya, Al-udhuwwa:

The place in sand where an ostrich lays its egg. That's because the ostrich spreads out the earth with its feet then lays its eggs there, an ostrich doesn't have a nest."


Al Qamoos Al Muheet - daha:
(دَحَا): الله الأرضَ
(يَدْحُوهَا وَيَدْحَاهَا دَحْواً) بَسَطَها

Translation: "Allah daha the Earth: He spread it out."

Al Waseet - daha:
دَحَا الشيءَ: بسطه ووسعه. يقال: دحا اللهُ الأَر

Translation: "To daha something: means to spread it out. For example: Allah daha the Earth."


Lisan Al Arab daha:
الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . دَحَا الأَرضَ يَدْحُوها دَحْواً بَسَطَها . وقال الفراء في قوله والأَرض بعد ذلك دَحاها قال : بَسَطَها ; قال شمر : وأَنشدتني أَعرابية : الحمدُ لله الذي أَطاقَا

بَنَى السماءَ فَوْقَنا طِباقَا

ثم دَحا الأَرضَ فما أَضاقا

قال شمر : وفسرته فقالت دَحَا الأَرضَ أَوْسَعَها ; وأَنشد ابن بري لزيد بن عمرو بن نُفَيْل : دَحَاها , فلما رآها اسْتَوَتْ

على الماء , أَرْسَى عليها الجِبالا

و دَحَيْتُ الشيءَ أَدْحاهُ دَحْياً بَسَطْته , لغة في دَحَوْتُه ; حكاها اللحياني . وفي حديث عليّ وصلاتهِ , اللهم دَاحِيَ المَدْحُوَّاتِ يعني باسِطَ الأَرَضِينَ ومُوَسِّعَها , ويروى ; دَاحِيَ المَدْحِيَّاتِ . و الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . يقال : دَحَا يَدْحُو و يَدْحَى أَي بَسَطَ ووسع

Translation: "To daha the earth: means to spread it out." (followed by some poetry to give definitive proof as to the meaning of dahaha)

How can a book that presupposes that the earth is as flat as a rug be authentic?

[quote author=Abu-Safwan link=topic=360432.msg5047319#msg5047319 date=1259923353]I previously told viaro that all the verses he quoted from the Qur'an do not mean that earth is flat. Tell me (if you can) a single verse that says earth is flat in the Qur'an. but the bible, due to its human-superstitious  nature not only says the earth is flat but also says that sun and moon are different independent light. But today science tells us that Sun is the independent light and that moon's light is reflected from the sun. it is interesting to note that Qur'an has already alluded to this scintific idea. Tell ME WHICH BETWEEN QUR'AN AND BIBLE IS COMMONLY AGREED WITH BY WESTERN SCIENTISTS! BUCAILLE HAS FINISHED WITH ALL THINGS. KNOW THAT BIBLE ALSO SAYS THE SKY HAS PILLARS. RIDICULOUS!!![/quote]This is why I hate discussing with muslims who like going into circles, asking you to bring out verses which they themselves have seen in previous discussions with the aim of derailing topics. In all honesty, are you pretending not to see the thread abuzola opened to ridicule the Bible but ended up ridiculing himself and the koran? where he said the earth is a rug which can be spread on ostrich egg? be honest, man!


You can also do well by quoting the Biblical verses you are referring to.

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=360432.msg5047219#msg5047219 date=1259922062]Nezan, pls stop embarassing yourself.[/quote]Who has been embarrassing himself? You have never contributed any useful post to any thread here as far as I am concerned.

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=360432.msg5047219#msg5047219 date=1259922062]The earth is not 6,000 yrs old![/quote]Even if the earth is more than 6000 years, 1656 years after creation is very far apart from the record of rainbow toneyb was referring to, i.e. 3000BC, so what is your grouse? Do you know what we are arguing about?

If you want to contribute brilliantly, bring up evidence to show that the rainbow was seen before the flood recorded in the Bible.

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=360432.msg5047219#msg5047219 date=1259922062]We all know the bible is flawed, so stop trying to authenticate it by all means[/quote]This is quite funny coming from you, since you made no attempt to explain away the various inconsistencies I was showing you people in the Koran on the other thread in muslim section.

toneyb:
Who are the atheist that argue that the earth is billions of years Old? Is Hugh Ross an atheist? Dave Matson, Dr. Joshua Zorn, William lane Criag and millions of other christians out there that all agree that the earth is much much more than 6000 years old. By the way where is your scientific peer reviewed data that shows that the earth is 6000 years old? . The earth is 6000 years old according to "scientist" liars like Ken Ham and Kent Hovind. These people have shown over and over again that they do not know any science at all. They only tell lies to give credibility to their own apoinion about what is written in the bible.

Even if the earth were more than 6000 years old, 1656 years after creation will put the Sumerian king far apart from the date of the flood.

toneyb:
All these pathetic lies from the YEC that have been debunked over and over again. Can you show me the scientific peer reviewed article that says that the earth is 6000 years old?

Bring up the arguments to debunk these and let’s trash them here.

[quote author=Abu-Safwan link=topic=360432.msg5042809#msg5042809 date=1259858475]if i am qouting out of context then what of your qouting of the Qur'an. or Have you ever know the basis of revelation of the above cited Qur'an verses which you brought. And American govt. is inveterate enemy of Islam, am I RIGHT? Islam is agints all those whao are waging war on it and we have every moral right to resist the bullying powers. There is no single war agaisnt the non-muslims taking place in the north; but at yelwan shendam hither to, Muslims are being killed and their houses destroyed by the christians just as it is happening in Palestine by the Jews. where are you when the Muslim massacres of Zangon Katab take place. Despite of your claim that Islam commands killing Jews and christs today the most ruthless killer that murdered maximum number of people is not a Muslim. who is he by religion? you know who is. Even In Europe when scintists began to suggest that earth is spherical you started killing them, and by that time Islamic universities of sicnce and libraries are huge enough in Muslim spain, Baghdad and Sicly. what kind of religion !![/quote]What stupid argument are you putting up? Why were the maitatsines killing Christians? Were we at war with them? What of the boko-haram? Did we declare war on islam? What of the numerous killings of Christians in Northern Nigeria? Were your people not killing defenceless Christians? Stop deceiving yourself and other ignorant people, islam does not preach any peace!

[quote author=Abu-Safwan link=topic=360432.msg5042537#msg5042537 date=1259856164]True God (Allah) never died and will never die simply for our sin. True God simply want us to repent after our sins and he simply forgives us: “And I said: “Ask your sustainer to forgive your sins – for, verily he is all-forgiving (Q71:10); he don’t have to die to forgive our sins. How can you regard someone to be god but cannot forgive your sin without killing himself or being killed. Jesus was killed according to you; had he wills to die to forgive your sins he would have simply die on his own sake; but he was killed as you claimed. Or are you temporarily out of sense. What kind of this god simply fail to forgive his servants’ sin without dying? It is for this reason that many think Christians have gone crazy.[/quote]How can a dead idol, called allah, worshipped by the kuraish tribe and stored amongst other idols in the ka’aba be a true god to die for my sins? My God, YHWH hates sin so much that He declares that the soul that sinneth shall die. He instituted the sacrifice of animals to atone for the sins of mankind then through Moses and the prophets of old, pointing towards a supreme sacrifice to be made by His son on behalf of mankind. I don’t believe a dead idol has blood to sacrifice, no?

[quote author=Abu-Safwan link=topic=360432.msg5042537#msg5042537 date=1259856164]Muhammad (pbuh) was not the founder of Islam but a renewer of OLDEN ISLAM preached by Abraham, David, Noah, Jesus and many other. the Qur'an says forinstance: "Abraham was not a Jew, nor a Christian; but he was a MUSLIM, true in faith. He was not part of the polytheists." (Q3:67). Also if you are not a Muslim then you are not with Jesus even in the hereafter. Allah says: " Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have submitted (Muslims)" (Q3:84). I am a sincere preacher to you Nezan that to accept the truth today for tomorrow will be too late!!!![/quote]You are a very bloody liar. Show me anywhere Moses and the other people you mentioned talk about islam or allah. They persistently preached about YHWH, and YHWH is not the Arabian idol whose generic name is allah which can never be translated into any language. This is a lie from the pit of hell, BTW, must you borrow your prophets from the Jews? Why not have a line of Arabian prophets?

[quote author=Abu-Safwan link=topic=360432.msg5042307#msg5042307 date=1259854310]YES OF COURSE, I CAN SEE YOU NOW DONT WANT SCIENCE TO TEST THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE. BUT YOU ALWAYS TUSE SCIENCE TO DESTROY THE TRUTH OF THE QUR'AN WHICH YOU NEVER SUCCEDD FOR SCIENCE TODAY OBEY THE QUR'AN'S STATEMENTS. gOD can do whatever he wish. Any way I may agree if with you only if the contemporary world agree to stop elevating scince over revelation. As far I science continue to be applied in testing the truth of the Qur'an (which it sis always found right) then bible (if you want us to beleive is completely divine) most stand scintific test (which it can never stand for as we all know form Bucaillistic papers).[/quote]What science are you talking about? the science and Bible that agree the earth is spherical or the science that disagree with the koran that the earth is flat? Didnt olabowale tell you about a thread here where he was saying the earth is a rug which can be placed on an ostrich egg? follow my arguments with toneyb and see whether the same can be made with the koran.

MUZBO:
The original poster is a fool. A big one!

What is foolish about updating us on the death of a Nigerian in makkah? I dont blame you, the insensitivity of the Nigerian Government to human life has gotten across to you. Grow up idiot!

Aishabee:
@ Nezan:Some of my friends and my in-laws went for hajj, any update on them?

You can ask Auwwalu, the DailyTrust correspondent who is in makkah with them for updates, BTW, he was the one that sent in the report, I only brought it to the attention of NLanders.

Abuzola 1:
This is an insult for the muslim of NL for this thread to get to the frontpage of NL the poster mr nezan did it to ridicule islam. The muslim in authority are puppets. And inshaAllahu they will pay for it

You are misdirecting your anger and frustration, the post was meant to inform us of the death of a Nigerian muslim in makkah, reported via dailytrust by a muslim correspondent. You were the one that started abusing me right after the post.

[quote author-Abuzola 1 link=topic=360001.msg5029515#msg5029515]you are a slowpoke, what do you expect us to say,


the place use to be crowded to the alter and it often result to stampede[quote][/quote]Grow up and stop being childish.

To determine the year of the flood from the creation, let's begin in Genesis Chapter 5, where we read in verse 3, "And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:" (Genesis 5:3). So far we have 130 years from the creation of the world. In verse 6 we read: "And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:" (Genesis 5:6). Now we are in the year 235 (130 for Adam and 105 for Seth).

In verse 9 we read: "And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:" (Genesis 5:9). This makes the year 325 (235 years plus 90 years). In verse 12 we read: "And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:" (Genesis 5:12). This adds up to 395 since Creation (325 plus 70). In verse 15 we read: "And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:" (Genesis 5:15). Now we have 460 years since Creation.

Verse 18 talks about Jared's first born: "And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:" (Genesis 5:18). This makes a total of 622 years. In verse 21, we find out about Methuselah, Enoch's first child: "And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:" (Genesis 5:21). Now we have 687 years. Methuselah has his first child when he is 187 years old: "And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:" (Genesis 5:25). Now we are in the year 874 since Creation.

Lamech, Methuselah's son, has his own son when he is 182 years old: "And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:" (Genesis 5:28). This makes 1056 years. Who was Lamech's son? "And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed." (Genesis 5:29).

Noah has his first child when he is considerably older than his predecessors: "And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth." (Genesis 5:32). This makes 1556 years since Creation.

So then when was the flood? The Bible is very clear on this: "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." (Genesis 7:11). Therefore, we add another 100 years to our previous total of 1556 years, and this makes the year of the Flood to be 1656 from Creation.

The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the first 5 days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham to today.
Adam was created on Day 6, so there were 5 days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).
So a simple calculation is:
5 days
+ ~2000 years
+ ~4000 years
______________
~6000 years

@ toneyb;

Though atheists argue that the age of the earth is about billions of years, recent studies are disproving them:

The Shrinking Sun
Since 1836, observations of the sun indicate it is shrinking about five feet an hour. Studies show this has been true for at least 400 years. At this rate, 100,000 years ago the sun would be twice as large as it is today. Twenty million years ago the sun would have touched the earth.

The Moon's Dust
Interplanetary dust and meteors is depositing dust on the moon at the rate of at least 14,300,000 tons per year. At this rate, if the moon were 4.5 billion years old there would be at least 440 feet of dust on the moon. The astronauts, however, found a layer only 1/8 to three inches thick. Three inches would take only 8000 years. Even evolutionists believe the moon is the same age as the earth, giving the earth's age as only 8000 years.

The Magnetic Field
The earth has a magnetic field that is constantly decreasing due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The half-life of the magnetic field is 1400 years. Only 2800 years ago the magnetic field would be four times as strong as it is now. Only 10,000 years ago the magnetic field would be as strong as a magnetic star and be a nuclear power source as the sun. For this reason the earth could not be more than 10,000 years old.

The Earth's Rotation
The rotation of the earth is gradually slowing down at about .00002 seconds a year. The lost energy is transferred to the moon. The moon, therefore, is slowly moving away from the earth at about 4 centimeters a year. This would put the moon in contact with the earth less than 2 billion years ago. Yet, if the moon were closer than about 11,500 miles, the moon would be broken into tiny pieces, much as the rings of Saturn.

The Missing Helium
Helium is generated as radioactive uranium decays. This is known as radiogenic helium, and is the primary source of helium in the earth's atmosphere. If the earth were really 4.5 billion years old as claimed by the evolutionists, the atmosphere would be saturated with this helium. But it isn't. Where did it go? It can't escape to space. The simple answer, of course, is that the earth isn't really that old.

The Comet Mystery
Comets, as they orbit the sun, are literally torn apart by gravitational forces, internal explosions, and solar winds. Short period comets can't exist for more than 10,000 years. Most astronomers believe that comets originated at the same time as the solar system. That limits the age of the solar system to about 10,000 years.

@ toneyb;
Considering the fact that the earth is about 6000 years old, and the flood took place about 1656 years after creation, this will put the year of the flood around 4344BC. Though careful calculations put it at 4990BC, this gives a period of between 1344-1990 years before the Sumerian king you mentioned existed (i.e. 3000 BC). This certainly means that the Sumerian king existed a over a millennium after the flood existed and God gave the rainbow covenant, so stop dating him to Noah’s period.

[quote author=Abu-Safwan link=topic=360432.msg5041880#msg5041880 date=1259851180]If Jesus is God why was he died. the true God never died. Infact how can a human can kill God as some of your invented docrine claimed that he was kille d by some among your forefatjers.

The reason why Jesus is a Muslim is because all the prophets of Allah (including Isah – Jesus - had preached Islam and nothing more. Even in the bible the concept of Islam (submission) is there in succinct manner. The way Muslims pray is there but there is no any mentioning of church gathering. Not even the word “bible” can we find in the whole of the so called Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Thus, “bible” is just a label. Who had given it that name we don’t know. If the bible is the word of God how came it that God had written a whole book but forgot to give it name! If He called it Bible, we ask, in which chapter and verse? Also, we muslims believe that jesus professed Islam (Quran 61v6). If somebody out there retorts: “no, Jesus professed Christianity”, we ask: where in the “bible” is the word “christianity” mentioned?[/quote]Jesus died to redeem us from our sins, and rose again the third day. He is presently sitting at YHWH’s right hand where He will come to judge the living and the dead, why mohammed’s corpse are rotten ia an Arabian grave.

Jesus can never be a muslim because He existed centuries before the founder of islam, mohammed was born, and mohammed’s message ran contrary to the teachings of Christ. Only a deluded slave of allah can believe in such a lie as you are posting.