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Do you know that if a son or daughter recants islam, the immediate family orders him/her to be killed to restore honour to the family name? You will deny because yoruba is not a completely muslim territory, that is why when the chips are really down, a yoruba muslim is just another kaferi to the northern muslims.

See a deluded soul comparing his wife to eba and tuwo

How funny

So which verses of the koran are authentic?

Ibn Abbas testified to fifty verses being added to the Quran of Uthman


Allamah Jalaluddin Suyuti has recorded a tradition from Ibn Abbas wherein he says [Tafseer Al Itqan fi Uloom al Quran, Vol 1: p. 84]:


The number of verses in the Quran are 6616.



Disagreement amongst Sunni scholars over the number of Quranic verses

Allamah Jalaluddin Suyuti, whilst citing Sunni scholarly opinion from Sunni scholar Uthman bin Saeed bin Uthman Abu Amro al-Daani (d. 444 H), wrote [Al-Itqan fi Uloom al-Quran, Vol 1: p. 84]:


Al-Daani said: ‘They agreed that the number of verses of Quran are six thousand but they disagreed in what has been added further (to the Quran), some of them didn't add more whilst others said it was two hundred and four. Some said two hundred and fourteen, others said two hundred and nineteen. Some said two hundred and twenty five, others said two hundred and thirty six.’

According to Imam of Nawasib Ibn Kathir, 6000 verses are authentic the remainder are doubtful


To evidence this we have relied on the following esteemed books of Ahle Sunnah.

Tafseer Ibn Kathir, Volume 1 page 7, number of verses
Tafseer Qurtubi, Volume 1 page 65, number of verses


We read in Tafseer Ibn Kathir:


“The total number of verses Quranic verses are 6000. Disagreement remains about the remainder verses. There are various views and statements about them. One statement is that there are 6204 verses”

Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)

'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a leaves and kept
under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away them.

Thank God for internet, you dont have anything sensible to counter the senseless posts, yet you call them senseless? duh!

@alimat; what credit will you give somebody who is accused of plagiarism? possibly a jail term!

For indepth study, check this website:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Barnabas/index.html

Internal evidence shows that "Barnabas" was not a contempory
of Jesus:
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a) In chapter 82, "Barnabas" makes the jubilee a centenary event.
The Jewish jubilee, it will be remembered, was celebrated every
50 years.


b) Quotations from Dante are another evidence proving a late
authorship of this "gospel". They cannot be accidental
coincidences, since they are of great number. Of these I
can mention a verse which is clearly a quotation of Dante:
"they go and serve false and lying gods", which has been
quoted by "Barnabas" in two places (78, 217). The expression,
"raging hunger" (60) is probably another specimen of such a
direct quote.

The description of the joys of paradise and the horrors of
hell, and the pains which the unbelievers suffer in the
latter, recall us to Dante's descriptions of the same.
(Compare "Barnabas" 59 and 60 with lines 22 and 103, Canto
III of Dante's Inferno).

Stranger still is the coincidence between Dante's 'circles'
of hell and those of "Barnabas". "Barnabas" has Jesus saying
to Peter:

Know ye therefore, that hell is one, yet hath seven
centres one below another. Hence, even as sin is of
seven kinds, for as seven gates of hell hath satan
generated it; so are there seven punishments therein.
(135)

This is exactly what Dante says in Canto V, VI, etc. of his
Inferno.

Again, "Barnabas" says that God, having created the human senses,
condemned them "to hell and to intolerable snow and ice" (106).
See Dante's Inferno, Canto XXVIII and III, line 22.

But still stronger evidence that "Barnabas" quotes directly or
indirectly from Dante is his description of the "geography of
Heaven". Here "Barnabas" agrees with Dante and contradicts
the Quran.


c) Traces of Medieval Society

Among the clearest of all these traces are those of the system
of feudalism, which was in full vogue in medieval times.
According to this system land was divided among the different
feudal lords, who in turn subdivided their property into
minor divisions and rented them to vassals who owed them a
perpetual allegiance, above all, in times of war. The writer
of the "Gospel of Barnabas" represents to us Mary, Martha, and
Lazarus as feudal lords, in whose hands was the proprietorship
of whole villages (194).

This is a further description of the vassal who owes to his
liege or padrone a portion of his crop (122). This is quite
in accordance with the laws of feudalism.

The reference to wine-casks is more suggestive of Italy than
of Oriental lands (152).

Another trace is that referring to medieval court procedure
where the arrested prisoner is questioned by a magistrate,
while a notary jots down memoranda of the evidence (121).

The reference to the duel between two rival lovers reminds one
of the age of chivalry (99). It will be remembered that
chivalry was a creation of medieval society and played its
role for a considerable period.


d) Barnabas' ignorance of Palestinian geography and history

"Barnabas" imagines Nazareth, and most probably Jerusalem also,
to be on a sea or lake. "Jesus went to the Sea of Galilee,
and having embarked on a ship sailed to his city of Nazareth"
(20).

"Having arrived at the city of Nazareth the seamen spread
through all the city all that Jesus had wrought" (20). Here
it is clearly meant that immediately on touching land
(Nazareth), the seamen landed and spread their news in that
(seaport) town!

"Barnabas" then says: "Jesus went up to Capernaum" (from
Nazareth) (21). Of course, it is just the reverse. He would
have landed at Capernaum, gone up to Nazareth, and then gone
down to Capernaum.

We are told that one Sabbath morning Jesus came to Nazareth
(143). After several chapters giving his conversation there
(144-151), we read: "Jesus embarked on a ship , (151). This
is further evidence for Barnabas' wrong notion that Nazareth
was on the lake.

There is still more. The ship leaves the port of Nazareth
and sails away. Where do we find Jesus next? At Jerusalem.
In the very next section we read: "Jesus having come to
Jerusalem , " (152). There can be little doubt that as the
ship weighed anchor at Nazareth, so it cast the same at
Jerusalem.

Next we come to some incidents recorded by "Barnabas" which
are historically untenable. There is the story of Daniel, who,
according to "Barnabas" (80), was taken captive by Nebuchadnezer
while he was yet 2 years old. Now if we suppose that Nebuchadnezer
captured Daniel in the first year of his reign, it would follow
that in the second year of his reign, Daniel was three years old.
In this very year, it will be remembered, he was promoted by
Nebuchadnezer to the rank of a ruler "over the whole province of
Babylon". According to "Barnabas" therefore, his age would be
three, at most four years!

"Barnabas" tells us that a great sedition broke out in all Judea
on account of Jesus (91). It is unnecessary to remark that this
incident finds no place in the pages of any historian, whether
Josephus, or any ancient or modern historian. Besides, it is
absurd to believe that 3 armies, numbering 600,000 soldiers, could
gather in the twinkle of an eye and disperse as quickly. And how
can we believe that Herod, an enemy of Christ, would attempt to
quiet a riot which arose on account of Christ?

Stranger is the statement of "Barnabas" that the high priest wished
"to bow himself down and worship Jesus , " (93). The high priest,
it will be remembered, was the chief enemy of Jesus and one of his
accusers who condemned Jesus because Jesus used to convict the high
priests of hypocrisy.

He who is aware of its contents, yet continues to maintain its
integrity and to utilize it as a genuine gospel account of Jesus
at the expense of the Bible, must share in the guilt of the author.

To my mind, looking at the evidence (only a fraction here), It is as
George Sale put it a "bare-faced forgery".

@Abuzola, despite the fact that the gospel of barnabbas was a forged document (which I believe you didnt even take time to read), it does not in anyway agrees with islamic theology as you might have wished. Here are the contradictions between "Barnabas" and the Qur'an:

1) the Quran (2:29) says that the Heavens are seven in number,
while "Barnabas" gives the number as nine (178).

2) according to "Barnabas", man is endowed with a free will.
(164). On the contrary, man only does what Allah wills him
to do (Quran - 76:30, 37:96, 17:13, 10:99-100).

3) Adam was not the first man circumcised (23). Abraham was.

4) according to "Barnabas" (3), Mary brought forth her son without
pain. This is contradicted by the Quran (19:23).

5) the Quran follows the Mosaic law of "an eye for an eye, and a
tooth for a tooth", whereas "Barnabas" says ", ye shall not
overcome evil with evil, but rather with good" (81). "Woe unto
them that call for vengeance , " (63). ", kiss the hand of
those who revile thee, and present gifts to those who persecute
thee and strike thee much" (64).

6) the Quran approves of poligamy. "Barnabas" does not tolerate
it (115).

7) the Quran approves of the teaching of abrogation. "Barnabas"
condemns it (38).

the Quran condemns eating pork but "Barnabas" says "that which
entereth into the man defileth not the man, but that which
cometh out of the man defileth the man" (32).

9) "Barnabas" totally ignores the existence of the prophet John
the Baptist (Yahya ibn Zakariyya).

10) according to "Barnabas", Jesus expressly denies that he is the
Messiah. In the Quran, the only Messiah is Jesus.

Still, "Barnabas" further compounds his confusion. For while
he has Jesus denying that He is the Messiah, yet, amazingly,
the first words of "Barnabas" following his introductory title,
read:

Barnabas, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ ,

According to "Barnabas", then, Jesus is called Christ, but he
is not called Messiah. Despite his obvious familiarity with
the Bible, "Barnabas" does not know that Messiah (Hebrew) and
Christ (Greek) are identical in meaning.

Nezan attitude is synonymous to goat, exactly like illustrated, we have Adam the current governor of Edo, does that make him the Adam of Eve, haba, some people are just agbaya with coconut's head. Sorry sir nezan

I dont blame you, all muslims tend to this when the lies they believe in are exposed

If Muhammad (AS) is wrong, how come Jesus is called son of King David, except it is in the same motiv as what Muhammad (AS) said when the Quran called Mariam the mother of Isa bin Mariam (AS) sister of Haruun (AS)? Please separate the two and I wanna read your magician gimmick.

Jesus was called son of David because his geneology was traced to David. Check the first chapter of Matthew, if mohammed was referring to Mary through her genealogy through Aaron (which is not even established), he would have called her 'daughter of Aaron' and not Aaron's sister, Miriam.

Igbo people and Hausa people and other Nigerian tribes, though all Nigerians, do they know every bit of every traditions of each tribe; the minor as well as the major? The Bini people and Yoruba people have the same common bloodlines in Nigeria, yet not all Bini traditions are known by all Yoruba people, and the opposite is the same.

Indirectly, you are also saying we should forgive mohammed because he didnt know much about Jewish culture . .

Think hard man. Will it be imposssible that Mariam's father the mother of Isa bin Mariam was a namesake of Haruun and Musa' (as) father? Was Saul who later became Paul not namesake of King Saul, the first king of the Children of israel, who was the king when little David king giant Goliat? I am pointing these to you just to gear your memory to life, so that you see how correct Quran and Muhammad (AS) were!

If they were namesakes (which is not even established) he should have said so instead of spewing out lies that you are now trying to cover

@littleb, see how funny you sound

The Biblical record of the drowning of pharoah was written hundreds of years before mohammed, was it not?

By the time mohammed existed, the pharoah's body was already preserved hundreds of years before.

Mohammed definately must have had knowlegde of the preservation,

So in essence, he was writing about something he already knew!

How funny

You should have asked yourself whether the muslim prophet wrote the koran, because as far as I know, people crammed what he was saying, wrote it on leaves (and some were eaten by goats ), it was after he died that somebody sat down and started writing down something. Or dont you know that seven versions of the koran existed before there were collected and burned? Funny boy

When you read Quran from fatiha to Nazz, there is no reference to what is called bible. What Allah revealed is Torah reveal to Moses(AS) or injeel, the gospel of Jesus(AS. Tell me, in your bible, which book is Jesus Gospel and which book is Moses Torah. The relevant one which was first five books you acclaimed to be by Moses was never even by Moses coz it was third level info. When you read Quran, just reflect on the wording, it is direct from almighty through angel jibril to prophet Muhammad and that was all revelation before it, not a conjoined incoherent stories, contradictions and the likes. There are so much ample evidence to disregard bible as Gods words, despite some goods moral teachings, related prophetic stories and the likes. There are story books who teaches morals lessons as well, but a book like bible becme wretched when you bring it under authorship of God Almighty.

See why I always say muslims are deluded? somebody sat, plagiarised/altered Biblical stories and added a spice of arabian fairytales and you want us to take him serious? not minding the bad morals exhibitted by him? he was paedophillic, murdered many people, robbed people, married over 30 wives etc.

@olabowale, you dare deny honour killings? are you well versed in sharia law? why are you denying the basic aspects of sharia law . . . ?

Peace! let the abuzola/uplawal courtship continue . . . . . .

How is it possible to love four wives equally . . . . ?

Well said!

mohammed was a fake.

To Hausa muslims, when the chips are down, a Yoruba muslim is just another kaferi

Happy b/day!

:-x

Which side of Gwarinpa you dey? I dey Gwarinpa too, I will be praying for you to get married instead of sampling girls around town. Fear God and remember that AIDS is real.

Let muslims continue deceiving themselves, there will not be any 'allahu akbar' in heaven

How de league dey go these days?

huh??

I dey run away from anything stocks for now.