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Note that Mary's mother is called "the wife of Imran." The Qur'an certainly takes the application of this metaphor to an extreme, for now we must assume that there was a first century practice in which a pious woman would be called the "wife" of the father of a prophet!

Thus, if we are to believe Muhammad's explanation for what appears to be a rather obvious error in the Qur'an, we must believe that there was a first century practice in which people would refer to a pious young woman as "the sister of X" (where X was a prophet who died centuries earlier), and as the daughter of the wife of Y (where Y was the father of prophet X), and as "the daughter of Y" (where, again, Y was the father of prophet X). When we combine this with the fact that, by an amazing coincidence, there was indeed a woman named Miriam who was both the sister of Aaron and the daughter of Amram, and whose mother was the wife of Amram, we have to wonder why the author of the Qur'an would pass on such a confusing collection of metaphors, with absolutely no evidence that these metaphors were ever used in the first century, and with the only reasonable conclusion being that Muhammad didn't know that Mary and Miriam were two different people, who lived more than a thousand years apart.

Muhammad's response is that people in the time of Mary would refer to a pious young woman as the "sister of X," where X might be a prophet from 1400 years earlier. The problem is that we have no record of such a practice in first century Israel, and we don't even find it used elsewhere in the Qur'an. The obvious conclusion, then, is that Muhammad simply made a mistake, and that he tried to correct it by making something up.

Two more points are worthy of note in al-Muslim's hadith. First, the Christians of Najran knew nothing of the practice of referring to pious young women as the sister of some prophet, even though they would have been familiar with traditions about Mary. Second, the Muslim who talked to them obviously didn't know that this was a figure of speech, since he was stumped by the refutation and had to go back to Muhammad for an answer. Thus, Christians knew nothing of the practice Muhammad referred to, and Muslims who had been reciting the Qur'an in Muhammad's presence were never told that "sister of Aaron" was a metaphor. Indeed, they only learned this when Muhammad had been accused of erring.

But things get even worse. The father of Moses, Aaron, and Miriam was a man named Amram (Arabic: "Imran":


1 Chronicles 6:1-3--"The sons of Levi were Gershon, Kohath and Merari. The sons of Kohath were Amram, Izhar, Hebron and Uzziel. The children of Amram were Aaron, Moses and Miriam."

Hence, if Muhammad really believed that Mary the mother of Jesus was the same person as Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron, it wouldn't surprise us to find Muhammad referring to Mary as "the daughter of Imran." Not surprisingly, this is exactly what we find in the Qur'an and the Hadith:


Qur'an 3:35-36--"Behold! When the wife of Imran said: 'O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: for Thou hearest and knowest all things.' When she was delivered, she said: 'O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!'--And Allah knew best what she brought forth--'And no wise is the male like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected.'"

He he he, na uplawal friend you dey yab like dat?

Which pretension, okay send me the website to get an online copy of the uncorrupted bible mohammed was referring to.

@muhsin; You see why I say you guys are deluded? the Bible recorded that Pharoah drowned, what are the signs of a drowned body? everybody could tell. mohammed plagiarised the Bible and you want us to give him credit? Bullshit!!

Okay, send me a copy of the original Bible online.

You no sabi read pidgin english?

Despite the fact that the forged document, the gospel of mary was never written by Mary Magdalene, which was why it was not included in the Bible, never in that document was it claimed that Jesus was secretly married to mary, my boy.

BTW, are we not comparing Jesus to Adam? abi you wan shift goal post

. . . the simple argument is for muslims to provide that copy of the Bible that is not corrupted. When you accuse somebody, the burden of proof lies on you!

So tomorrow somebody will come and proclaim rubbish and we take him serious? No way!

Check his thread on 'alleged satanic verses'.

Sorry, wetin concern allah na moon and star, because allah na moon god, im dey fear the Cross of Calvary

Why are u comparing a man who spent half of his life on earth, jesus is coming back to slain, slain the unbelievers including the gang leader the anti christ,

Jesus is not coming back to be slain, He is coming back to judge the living and the dead . . . better wake up and shine ya eye, dude!

jesus was born from a virgin mother yeah, did your mum born you out of virginity ? Jesus was born from a single parent and how about Adam who has neither parent,

Adam was created from the mud, Jesus was conceived by the VERY HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, no need comparing Adam and Jesus.

jesus didn't marry, yeah and he will marry in his second coming to the world even have kids. Back to the biblical jesus, what do you have to say about

No sir! Jesus is not coming back to marry, that is a great lie from the pit of hell! wake up before it is too late brother!!

The holy grail, jesus secretly marry mary magdalene

Another fabrication from the pit of hell, show me the evidence. I guess you will go running to the forged documents alluded to false writer.

Then why was mohammed denying the injeel if he was sent to confirm it . . . .
Bunch of lies!

Muhsin once told me that bin Sa'ad was ond of forging events together with some islamic writers. I think this hadeeth was written by the forgers . . . . ?

Ok, I hope na NL muslim-o, but na who dey like abuzola here sef . . .?

Shola2009:
@poster, u better stop lying to yourself, Nigeria doesn't have the most beautiful girls in Africa

Is this a complex or what?

This is sumtin!

The other name for what you just asked is a LovePeddler, or slut, unless you are one, this is a grievious sin before God and man.

Wednesday, 30 September 2009 06:19 edited


In the name of God, the Beneficent and Merciful.
Your Excellency, the President of Nigeria.
Peace and the mercy and blessings of God be with you.
Dear Umoru Yar’adua

First congratulations on your nation’s 49th Independence Day Celebrations, I am writing you this letter on behalf of the loving people of Saudi Arabia and myself.

I need not emphasis to you the place of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, not just on you as a person but the fact that we represent the ground for billions of faithful and peace-seeking Muslims.

The next few lines I pen to you would be painful—the reason being that it is the truth and I dare say, you and I know that the truth hurts. I have been told and warned by my kinsmen that I am not saying anything new but I will still say it.

Let me start with your recent visit to my domain. Your countrymen are sickened and cannot fathom the reason why you would abandon the UN General Assembly for the second time just to come for a University commissioning.

As it regards that I will skip for now. Do you know reasons why you were welcomed by a governor…well let us leave that to local gossip?

Your absence is sad because it is one of the many reasons that you and your countrymen and women are not taken serious. If you recall early in the year you had complained to them and the world that it was unfortunate that the world did not reckon with you and your nation during the G-8 summit in London.

Here was an opportunity to try and remedy the serious image problems you have with other nations by confronting their leaders face to face. This I think you missed…and your citizens I believe feel same.

You told me that you minister for foreign affairs would handle the UN but I disagree with you. The minister I am told flew to the US from Brazil where he had gone for negotiations on how the nation can achieve the 6,000MW power generation by December.

It is sad that at 49 years and with a population of approximately 150milliion you are still battling with generating a mere 6,000 MGW. I gathered that no part of Nigeria has a one-hour uninterrupted power supply for a seven-day week.

Since your assumption of office you have been on hijra to my domain on three occasions and this excludes the hajj you have come to perform. Can’t recall when we suffered a power outage last.

One of your revered writers a certain Wole Soyinka's said that "the man (Yar'Adua) is on permanent sabbatical". "… A permanent sabbatical from critical national duty,”.

This I see as an insult because no one in my domain dares insinuate that of me. Your nation is adrift and all is not well and citizenry do not see any concerted effort at solving these issues.

You came to commission a university, and mysteriously some 90 public universities are shut down in your country. Most of your states are battling with primary school teachers’ strike.

At 49 years you do not have a University in the top 1000 Universities listing, none of your public schools can be certified as first class. And I hear that most of your lieutenants are products of these schools that you and past governments have allowed to decay.

On your other visits, you have been treated and attended to by some of the best the medical field has to offer in my domain, and each time I wonder to myself…why can you not build such in your country.

Do you think if I was sick I would come to Nigeria for healthcare, .? (subhannallah) Allah forbid that much you know.

I am told that nothing works in your land and despite all the opportunities. You have continued to remain a nation of misplaced priorities and dashed hopes.

The Kingdom of Saudi is faced with its own troubles which are peculiar to us and some problems which you are familiar with. However we continue to tackle them. But I gathered that you are massaging your issues rather than deal with them headlong.

In my domain we deal with corruption too, but be rest assured that our tolerance level is low. We do not hesitate to cut with sword the erring part, hand, eye, or ‘that part of the body’. This results in serious human rights questions but we do not murder or assassinate journalists or opposition people either.

Many people I have spoken to from your land say they had hope in you, but that after just two years…they called you go-slow, later it was snail, now they have resigned themselves to fate.

I have my integrity and that of my people to protect; besides it is not in my place to say, yet I will ask. What is the place of your wife in government …is she a feminist, is she the only wife you have? I have no problem with all these but if she is indeed the de-facto president…then there is a problem?

On a scale of preference we have long shifted our attention to the likes of South Africa, Ghana, and Egypt and recently tiny nations like Namibia, Mozambique are not left out.

I do not envy the enormous problems you face but I am saddened that you have not solved any. You have not improved on a faulty electoral system that brought you to power.

Your banking sector we hear just underwent partial oncology but the real cancer is still there.
Some of your elites now build helipads and move around in helicopters in cities like Port Harcourt, Onitsha to avoid kidnap and your roads remain hellish and all we hear is that the Federal and state governments are perpetually engaged on whether it’s a federal or a state road while people die on these roads.

You have at 49 years some of the best brains in various fields but you have not been able to harness their potentials.

There are several policy somersaults by various functionaries of your government and these paints you in bad light. You rule of law mantra has been questioned by the lawlessness of those underneath you and then people find out you are in the know.

Your citizens are suffering loss of appetite, fatigue and memory slip at what best government practices are. Infact I am told that citizens rejoice when government officials do what they are supposed to do because the reverse is the case.

I am even told that there is a phrase used…’the man stole but he worked too’.

Even in hitherto familiar terrain like soccer I hate to say that soon boys from my kingdom will beat your team whether super eagles or gentle doves. I gathered you never plan for anything in your nation anymore and the inevitable happens…you all fail.

I have not proffered any solution to you in this Independence letter, so also have I left out many other issues and my reason is that I do not intend to insult you but awaken you. You have the manpower, the resources. You can if you want to, my fear is, a doubt that you and your people want to.

Leaders in the past have refused to take counsel and have never bothered about any legacies, I do not know if you want to be any different or will be different. I do not know if you will read this or an aide will browse through it as usual.

Bisalam
King Abdullah bin Abdel-Aziz

NB
As at press time it could not be ascertained if indeed the 85 year old royal father wrote this letter, but the contents are very correct. And our sources say that the Villa is not taking it lightly.

and allah did not create the cross
deluded slaves

ok, help me break it

You muslims claim the bible is corrupt, you ought to have a copy of the Bible that is not corrupt. If you dont have the original uncorrupted Bible, then how do you know it is corrupt? deluded slaves of allah

How can Christianity be synonymous with nonsense? just check this out:

Jesus was born of a virgin who knew no man, mohammed on the other hand was born naturally as any man.

Jesus never married, mohammed married a woman older than him, a 9 yr old, his step-daughter in law, in fact me married over 30 wives and had indiscriminate sex with innumerable women.

Jesus preached peace, mohammed not only preached violence but murdered many people, was dishonest and carried out raids.

Jesus is presently alive and is sitting at God's right hand, mohammed died, was buried in a grave in arabia and his body is rotten.

Now tell me, who is believing in non sense? huh?

@olabowale, cool down, deny that mohammed was not a paedophile, was not a murderer, and did not utter satanic verses? how can you be confusing temptation with bewitched?