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Are there historical evidences to buttress this argument?

Another merry go round for politicians.

Which president was ever impeached in Nigeria?

@Poster,
Wikipedia is your answer.

olabowale:
Iwo omo noetic kon tie yaa panle ntie. So, ni o tie nso? Kini so noo wa jee? Kore e sowun fun mi!

Omo Toyin yen, nko?

Well, personally, I am not a muslim today because I dont have the mind to kill fellow human beigns, have sex with babies, marry four wives, believe in a book that is a bad plagiarisation of another book that is centuries older than it, worship a black stone etc, etc, etc, etc, etc ,,,,,,,,

So the hadiths are in agreement that mo' had carnal knowlegde of a baby? He ought to have been stoned to death. Or is sharia law silent on this?

olabowale:
@Nezan: Is he allegic to anything good? THis is your case, when you ignorantly abandoned 1 God, and clamoring to 3 gods, yet when you are asked how many is Nezan, you quickly reply that you are one. Unfortunately, you want your Creator to be three, yet you want to remain just one!

Tell those tales to confused fellas who do not know the time Jesus and mohammed existed and what each brought to humanity. Those who are not aware of historical records, may be you will win another soul in hell.

olabowale:
@Nezan: You think I quoted the Bible? Far from it. These are quotes from Quranic Stories. Solomon had military organization that included even Doodoo birds, genie, etc! What are you talking about. Finally, your lies about several prayer is a gimmick, like the one that a foolish man will claim that any good that happens to another is from him! But when you look at him, you see abject poverty and distain all over him! The first question should be why didnt he help himself?

The name SOLOMON does not appear in the koran. What you have is a plagiarisation of Biblical accounts, retold with the flavour of arabian fairy tales. A goat ate parts of it?

dadde:
No body should accuse muslims of propagation islam wit sword. The sword is less effective these days that is why dey use suicide bombers.

;d

@Abuzola;
Why are you so fetish?

It is hard to divorce islam with violence. Yesterday, it was the maitatsine sect, today, it is boko haram, tomorrow will be another one. islam thrives on violence.

Tudór:
We've heard enough already from Boko Haram. . .

I wonder how a muslim mind thinks.

Horus:
Where is your DNA evidence to show that your Jesus ever existed?
Where are the human remains of your Jesus?
Any bones found?
So your Jesus went to heaven with his own bones?

See your level of confusion? If at all there were any DNA traces, then we wouldn't have been preaching the ascension of Christ.
If Jesus remains were here, then why preach his ascension?
If his bones were here, there will be no Christianity.
Show me the bones of Jesus and you would have succeeded in rendering Christianity false.

Horus:
This is Not evidences, this just something writed on a book.
Anybody can write anything on any book, so what?

Man, your grammer has many errors but I have tried to understand what you are saying. How can a non-christian write to justify christianity. You saw the evidence from the Jewish Talmud didn't you? These were the very Jews that killed Jesus. Every Jew will agree with you that Jesus was crucified.

Another question: If you thought books were useless, then why go to school at all? Because all that is written in books makes no meaning to you, or are you another follower of the Muslim 'Boko Haram' sect?

Jagoon:
Absolutely correct Jesus neve claimed to be God. He is subject to his Father Jehovah God almighty.

The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)

"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)

And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)

And so when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments, and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." (John 13:12-14)

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)

Emporer Hadrian (117-138 AD), in a letter to Minucius Fundanus, the Asian proconsul:

"I do not wish, therefore, that the matter should be passed by without examination, so that these men may neither be harassed, nor opportunity of malicious proceedings be offered to informers. If, therefore, the provincials can clearly evince their charges against the Christians, so as to answer before the tribunal, let them pursue this course only, but not by mere petitions, and mere outcries against the Christians. For it is far more proper, if anyone would bring an accusation, that you should examine it." Hadrian further explained that if Christians were found guilty they should be judged "according to the heinousness of the crime." If the accusers were only slandering the believers, then those who inaccurately made the charges were to be punished.




The Jewish Talmud, compiled between 70 and 200 AD:

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Anyone who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover."

[Another early reference in the Talmud speaks of five of Jesus's disciples and recounts their standing before judges who make individual decisions about each one, deciding that they should be executed. However, no actual deaths are recorded.]

Further non-Biblical evidences:

Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), court historian for Emperor Vespasian:

"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders." (Arabic translation)




Julius Africanus, writing around 221 AD, found a reference in the writings of Thallus, who wrote a history of the Eastern Mediterranean around 52 AD, which dealt with the darkness that covered the land during Jesus's crucifixion:

"Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away the darkness as an eclipse of the sun--unreasonably, as it seems to me." [A solar eclipse could not take place during a full moon, as was the case during Passover season.]




Pliny the Younger, Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112 AD:

"[The Christians] were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food--but food of an ordinary and innocent kind." Pliny added that Christianity attracted persons of all societal ranks, all ages, both sexes, and from both the city and the country. Late in his letter to Emperor Trajan, Pliny refers to the teachings of Jesus and his followers as excessive and contagious superstition.




Emperor Trajan, in reply to Pliny:

"The method you have pursued, my dear Pliny, in sifting the cases of those denounced to you as Christians is extremely proper. It is not possible to lay down any general rule which can be applied as the fixed standard in all cases of this nature. No search should be made for these people; when they are denounced and found guilty they must be punished; with the restriction, however, that when the party denies himself to be a Christian, and shall give proof that he is not (that is, by adoring our gods) he shall be pardoned on the ground of repentance, even though he may have formerly incurred suspicion. Informations without the accuser's name subscribed must not be admitted in evidence against anyone, as it is introducing a very dangerous precedent, and by no means agreeable to the spirit of the age."

The death/crucification of Jesus was not an imagined event as Abuzola and co may wish. Here are evidences from non-Biblical writings of those days to support this:

Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD), "the greatest historian" of ancient Rome:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed."




Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, chief secretary of Emperor Hadrian (117-138 AD):

"Because the Jews of Rome caused continous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, [Claudius] expelled them from the city."

"After the great fire at Rome [during Nero's reign] , Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief."

etengokoi:
Funny enough, House of Assembly is only looking for sitting allowance. they leave hot national issues affecting the country and escalating things of no importance for discuss. Naija!! where are we going to?

I don hear this tory tire.

kokoA:
Who cares? They can kill themselves for all I care but I don't give a danm about ohakin or whatever he is called or the so called god father Kalu or even yaradua.

I wonda why people are losing sleep over politicians.

It is not yet time to criticize the woman. Make una allow am first.

The President has approved new appointments for FERMA as follows:

1. Managing Director- Engr. Kabir Abdullahi
2. E.D. (Road Maint. Management Services)-Engr.O.C.C. Ezedozie
3. E.D. (Operations, East)-Engr.B. Aganaba
4. E.D. (Operations, West)-Engr.Zakari Ayitogo
5. E.D. (Engineering Services)-Engr.J.O. Popoola
6. E.D. (Finance/Accounts)-Mr.Hafiz Ahmed
7. E.D. (Admin/Human Resources)-Mr. Wakil Adamu

The appointments are with immediate effect.

Engr. Kabir Abdullahi succeeds Engr. Olubunmi Peters who until the recent development, was the Managing Director.

Lets hear from 2-baba

Muhammad taught his followers to oppress or kill non-Muslims. Generally, Jews and Christians were allowed to live as such, provided they paid a special tax. This tax is Jizya, a tax revenue given to the Muslims to make up for revenues they lost from no longer dealing in pagan activities. If the Jews and Christians refused to pay this extortion tax they would have to convert to Islam or be killed. Non-Jews and non-Christians, such as idolaters or pagans, had to convert to Islam or be killed. Generally they didn't have the option of paying the tax. Here is the verse that teaches Muslims to oppress Jews and Christians:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued . (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29."

We see that Muhammad had many people murdered. By request, by command, by implication, Muhammad had many people murdered, many killed while they slept. There were no trials, no judgments, no dialog, if you insulted Muhammad, if you doubted his credibility and if you spoke out, you were murdered. Men and women, young and old, all were killed because of Muhammad's hatred. Here is a summary of the seven terroristic murders committed at Muhammad's requests or efforts:

1) Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish man who was murdered because he was simply a Jew

2) Abu Afak, a 120 year old man, murdered while he slept

3) Asma Marwan, mother of 5 children, murdered while she slept

4) A slave women, mother of two children, murdered while she slept

5) A one-eyed shepherd, murdered while he slept

6) A very old women, literally ripped in half by Muslims who captured her on a raid.

7) A slave girl, who was murdered because she poked fun at Muhammad.

Abuzola:
Nezan don't talk like an illiterate, majority of muslim ain't misguided, maybe you mean christian

At least Iam more literate than your 'boko haram' brothers to realise that most muslims are misguided.

No2Atheism:
- The truth is that there is no moderate muslims, we only have passive muslim. Every muslim is a potential terrorist.

Painful truth they dont want to hear.