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Renato Sanches clap back.

These one go still fight for dressing room.

Ibime:
That is what you wished happened, but that is not what happened.

You mean Conte would leave Euro work and scouting of Spain and Germany, to study game tapes of Ake? Where they do that at?

As you can see, Italy is very well drilled to the minute detail in this tournament - that's not because Conte is spending his time studying Chelsea youth players!!!


Tell me how long it takes to study 2 hour tapes of 50 players on loan. You must be joking if you think Conte is studying and making judgements on the first team squad and development squad whilst juggling managing Italy.

This is the kind of situation where the TD makes recommendation to the first team coach.

Weren't you the one who showed us Emenalos job profile showing us he is in charge of development squad? Is Conte's job title not "first team coach": - actually, the first time a Chelsea manager has had his job role reduced to "First team coach" only.

So we should go looking for "First team coach" who hasn't started work yet to blame him for a wrong decision on a "development" player?



Emenalo decided to send the boy on one extra year. No ifs, and, or but. Conte may know about it BUT IS IN NO POSITION to know the worth of the player having just walked in the door. Emenalo knows the player, Conte does not.

This is where we know we have a stewpid TD because Rahman is the one who needs extra year decades. What are you sending a nigga on loan for when he is better than all your current options?

Infact Chelsea quoted Watford £10m to sell the boy outright.

You may be right or you may be wrong.

I read an interview with Ake discussing his promotion from the u21s to the first team. He said that he was playing and training hard with the first team but could not get a chance. He said that he went up to Mourinho to ask why he wasn't getting a chance in the first team, but Jose said he had to wait for his chance....shortly after, he was sent on loan.

This story does not match up with the narrative of the 'stewpid TD' failing to recommend the talent at the club to the manager. He was clearly revommend to Jose.

Eddie Howe's interview today was quite interesting. He explains that Bournemouth signed Ake due to his versatility. He highlights the fact that Ake played 28 games at LB for Watford, but points out that Ake's best position is in central midfield.

This could suggest that the boy has been sent out to develop further as a midfielder. Considering that we are definitely in the market for midfielders, it's very possible that Conte has already evaluated him and found him wanting - Afterall, why would Conte be chasing the likes of Naingollan if he hadn't already evaluated the quality of midfielders already on ground?

Anyway, let's leave it here abeg. I have no appetite for another long debate tonight.

You may very well be right sef, so....

Lewandodo ti ki si

Ibime:
No. The development squad is strictly the remit of the TD in any club in the world.

Some of us were hoping that the likes of Ake and MVG stick around long enough for preseason so Conte can see them, assess them and make a decision on them. The decision has been taken out of his hands.

Conte is sitting in his hotel room somewhere prepping for Germany match, and all he would know about this is that Chelsea has one small boy on loan at Watford last season and now he has been loaned to Bournemouth.

Do you think Conte can assess or know the 50+ players we have out on loan? This is where the likes of Rumennige and co show the difference between a good TD and Aba made TD. They can recognise quality in likes of Alaba, Lahm, Kroos etc from Bayern academy to let a manager know he has strong options, meanwhile Chelsea managers are working blindly with a TD who doesn't know his right from left.

If Sam Allardyce walks into Lazio today, he cannot tell you jack about one Florenzi that Lazio will have out on loan to Genoa.

Those who are with the club are guardians of the club and (should) know the players values better than anyone walking in.

The TD has essentially told us he considers Rahman to be a better player than Ake whereas some of us believe that Ake is a better player than Rahman, Mikel and can even fill a gap at LCB if Conte wants to go with a back three.

You can bet that Conte considers left-back and midfield a problem position at Chelsea, yet never once has Emenalo thought to put the clubs internal LB and CM options up as at least a squad filler consideration. Instead he is thinking how to loan them out. Obviously in his questionable judgement, he considers Rahman and Mikel better options.

Look Chelsea are not going to sign 11 new players for Conte this summer, we will only get 4 or 5. Which means the Baba Rahmans stick around in the squad when the likes of Ake could have done so.

This is shocking stewardship by Emenalo.

To me, this is just sounds like another case of commending the manager for transfers you like, while blaming Emenalo for those transfers you disagree with.

If we take at face value that Conte has not had the chance to look at the team and evaluate the squad yet, then how does he know that he needs Batshuayi? Or Naingollan?

It is important to note that other than Ake, none of the other members of the bloated loan battalion have left the club this season.

No outward loans, No outward sales. Just Ake. As of now, it looks like a specific decision was made on Ake, rather than the usual en masse dispersal of players.

So how do you know that Conte did not make the decision to let Ake go?

The answer is that you don't.

Tyrone Mings did his ACL in his first game for Bournemouth last year, and they currently have only 1 undisputed 1st choice left back in Charlie Daniels.

Bournemouth are not a feeder club. They made about 50m in revenue last year, and will be making a minimum of 45m from TV revenues alone this year.

They could have made an enquiry to CFC, details of which were forwarded on to Conte alongside scouts notes and clips in action. Conte could have looked at the info he had, and decided that maybe the boy would benefit from 1 extra year...and then sent him out.

Another thing is that Bournemouth are owned by Russian Oligarchs. Maxim Demin is Russian an also in thr Petrochemical business. They might know each other...they may be friends even. Maxim could have simply asked Roman to loan him one of his boys.

Thsee scenarios are also quite possible.

Without actually knowing the in and outside of the deals, it's impossible to say that Conte is responsible for Batshuayi and Emenalo is responsible for Akes departure.

Nobody really knows.

gj22:
You are wrong. If the houses had backed him, he would have won most likely. Have you forgotten the battle against the Wildlings? With barely a hundred men, he defeated an army with giants and they were being attacked from both sides. No one had the foresight of anything.

The kid knew she had to fight for snow but still didn't want to risk her men so she gave 62. Can you see that she was actually smarter than the remaining houses?

Also, how can you call Jon a bad commander after he led the battle at the wall? He had a chance if not for Ramsay using his humanity against him.

Mate Jon Snow is a terrible commander and if you've been paying attention, you will notice that nobody seems to trust him as a leader....well, except for Tormmund and that little girl.

At Hardhome, despite the threats of the whitewalkers, despite the intervention of Tormmund who personally beat one of their leaders to death, the majority of the wildlings refused to follow him.

At Castle Black, some of his own subordinates consider him a traitor and kill him, and in the meeting where Aliser explains his logic to the members of the watch, we see that majority of the nights watch agree with his killing. Again, Jon has to rely on Tormmund to prevail on the members of the watch so that he could take his revenge.

When it came to the time to fight the Boltons, the major lords refused to trust him. Sansa refused to trust him. Tormmund had to remind the remaining wildlings about how Jon had to literrally die for them. Even the Lyanna had to be talked into backing Jon by Davos!

It is important to note up until the battle of the bastards, literally nobody trusts in Jon as a leader. Tormmund is loyal to Jon as friend and not as a leader. Tormmund has described himself as not being clever, and was ignorant of battle tactics as seen during the discussion with Jon and Davos.

Davos himself stressed how important it was to stick to the plan. Sansa told him that Ramsay would act in the way he did.

We can see that at almost every stage of his journey, Jon's judgement has (rightly)been questioned by many of the characters he interacts with. Even his own babe called him an Olodo.


So this is exactly why, I'm not judging Jon in hindsight. Everybody knew he would fuckup. This guy has constantly and consistently been one of the most idiotic characters in the GOT universe. Which is why I find it exceptionally galling that none of the Nothern Lords noticed this post-BoB

Ibime:
Chelsea fans dey vex seriously on all media platforms over this Ake issue

When you have a useless TD like Emenalo, these are the kind of decisions that you see.

But....you said and I quote:

"It is too early for Emenalo to start playing his usual politics. For now Conte has the balance of power because he was chosen by Roman while Emenalo recommended Pellegrini."

Do you not think that these two posts are inconsistent?

raumdeuter:

Its like you dont even understand English pity I cant type in Igbomina

When a team is made of 100% of players froma certain league and 4 of the starting 11 are part of the current best 11 in the league and another 4 part of the best 11 of recent seasons then its a pointer to the strenght of that league

If England NT thats 100% EPL with 4 of the current best EPL 11 is not a representative of the EPL then which NT is? Iceland or is it Gabon

And the ogbomoso mafia claps back with a deadly volley of shots, in a move taken straight from the fadeyi oloro playbook.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we could be about to witness an epic battle here, reminiscent of the yoruba civil war of the late 1800s

Ibadan vs the Parapo

Alaafin vs Ogedengbe...in an cataclysmic clash of blood, thunder, and tribal marks...


Bloody hell...

Let's get to it.

Dadehmola:
You speaketh bereft of common sense & deductive reasoning!!

If there are 31% English players in the EPL & only 22 players are chosen from that percentage to make a NT, how on earth can that the quality of those players satisfactorily assess the strength of the league?

Egbon Dayo, You are becoming very foolish nowadays

If there are many EPL players left in the tourney that could star & dominate, logic dictates that you shut your fùcking mouth till the end of the competition & do a proper analysis at that time!

Holy Moses!



When the shots go biblical...

'Thou speaketh bereft of common sense'

Amen.

Dadehmola:
Slovakia defeated Italy in the group stages of the 2010 WC - preventing the Azzuris from qualifying from their group in the process!! I need not remind you that the Italian NT has always been dominated by Italians.

By your logic, the serie A was the worst league in Europe at that time.

Ofcourse, your lame excuse would be - "Slovakia is better than iceland"

Yesterday when I questioned the ridiculously low level your intelligence quotient seems to be nowadays, you think say I dey play .

Egbon Dayo, you are not a smart human being!!

Over here in Iceland, this is what we call a polite bludgeoning.

Shots fired in a gentlemanly fashion.

Gbola5:
You seem to be saying the same thing, and based on hindsight. You're no longer asking why they follow young leaders, but why they followed Jon. It was a gamble.

My point is actually not based on hindsight at all.

The Lords of the North had the foresight to realise that Jon Snow was going to lose to the Boltons, and decide to preserve the lives of their men by abstaining.

Sansa had the foresight to know that Jon would lose, and deliberately refused to enlist her forces under his leadership.

The only person to keep faith with him was a child who naturally isn't mature enough to fully understand the consequences of enlisting her men in a war they couldn't win.


This bit is particularly crucial because they all knew that this guy didn't have the men, the parentage or the acumen to take on the warden of thr north(by royal decree no less)

So what happened?

They fought, Jon lost, and was rescued by forces who he had neither summoned, nor had under control.

Does it sound logical that when he was shouting 'we fought, we won etc', that not a single person there would point out that he actually had to be rescued from his folly?

So Baelish just sat down there and let Jon share the credit, especially when littlefinger didn't even come to the battle for Jon?

my point has been simple, Jon has been making some pretty bad decisions, and his only backer up until ep 10 was a child....so why has no one called them out on this?

oyetpel:
Yoi are making sh!t up actually.

I won't tolerate any kind of passive aggresive shade thrown my way.

Keep the talk strictly on GOT or dont quote me. final warning

siempere:
1. He was lord commander of the nights watch which is not a small honor..Lord mormont had d same and he was a known man...He has Stark blood as d good lady Mormont later pointed out. He is a highly skilled swordfighter as Ramsey himself attested to it, from the words of both his friends and enemies, and he might not be such a good tactician his emotions failed him at d battle of the bastards and datz just it.

2.They all swore alliegance to house stark and still refused d call, she didnt honor makes them lesser men, before her till they redeem themselves, sense also cos her specific words to them about what d boltons did to them still they didnt rise up above them is enough to make dem meek.

3.Jon said it all and i quote " Freefolk, the Northerners and the knights of the vale fought bravely, fought together and we won...my father used to say we find our true friends at the battle field" what more do u want songs will be sung of that battle in years to come everybody knows they swung the winning sword.....the rest of the northerners dont need that knowledge rubbed on their faces.....

Jon didnt win the battle, Vale knights did.
Jon has no men, the Vale boys do.

It makes no sense that the lords of the north would trust their men to a reckless commander who had to be rescued by another house.

I mean, if even Sansa can't trust the dullard, how on earth are the nothern lords so eager to trust him...especially after a disastrous battle?

Surely, this point I'm making is pretty obvious no?

Griffon:
Mitchy is good, maybe not the price, but then, you can't blame Chelsea for splashing out massive.

There are inferences that Crystal Palace had £31mil agreed for the ninja and Spurs had already submitted 30milla, it was always going to be a competition hence we acted with ruthless efficiency.

If we stick to a 4-2-3-1, this ninja has got no problem riding the bench whilst giving Costa reasons to stay ruthless. If we eventually switch to a 2-man front-line, this ninja is equally good to start.

Moreover, this deal is much more better than the reported
£65mil requested for Lukaku.

I'm not saying we should sign Lukaku (though if we did I would be ecstatic)

I only compared him to Lukaku because they are of a similar age, playing a similar position, in the same team.

To me, 33m is too much to spend on benchwarmer. The likely possibilities are that Costa is on his way out, and we have decided to put our faith in a young largely untested striker , OR, that we're moving to a 2 striker system, which we don't have the right personnel to implement properly.

When you consider that this guy was signed by Marseille for just 4.5m pounds less than 2 years ago, I can't help feeling that we've been scammed....

semitunde:
Joffery had tywin, tyrion and the small council to at least reduce the effects of his malady. There were occasions when tywin or tyrrion would argue (or slap) decision with him.

I agree with you on this little lady to an extent. Truth is, if she was ruling in westeros with all the varys and baelishes and all other power mongers; they probably would have given her a bib and toy- or even worse...

Most definitely.

It makes absolutely no sense at all, that the fighting men of Bear island, and their captain should entrust their lives into the hands of a 10 year old who doesn't even know what battle is....regardless of any obligations to honour, creed etc.

Like I keep pointing out to people, her decision to back Jon snow was a disaster..and I don't believe it's a coincidence that it was a child who sent her men to their death while the older mature Lords wisely abstained.

The older Lords were all very specific about their motives: which was to preserve the lives of their men.

Whereas this child put some bullshit ideology over the lives of 62 men who had no say in the matter.

I think thar people are so happy to have Jon Snow in the driving seat for S7 that they failed to ask several questions.

1. What leverage does Jon Snow have? He's still a bastard(his true parentage has not been revealed to the North), he's known to be tactically inept in military battles, and more importantly....HE HAS PRACTICALLY NO MEN LEFT.

2. How is it that when that gobby child was going on and on about the king in the north, blah blah, nobody pointed out the points raised in Q1 to her?

3. More pertinently, how did no one point out that it was the Knights of the Vale who won the battle against the boltons, and thus them who should be at the heart of trophies new Nothern coalition ?

That scene made zero sense to me. I cannot pledge my fighting men to a general who has no rank, no men, and no tactical acumen...and this was why I expected at least one lord to rise up and educate that loudmouthed girl and her no-nothing oga.

Mitchy for 33m makes no sense to me.

He's not particularly prolific. He can't even displace his age mate Lukaku at Belgium, so I'm not convinced that he can displace Costa.

Yet you can't spend 33m on a striker and not play him, so I guess a switch to a two striker formation is on the cards.

Conte 352 loading?

gj22:
Do you not have a shred of honor?

They were obligated to answer the call. If they had, it would have increased Jon's chances.

We know no king than the king in the north whose name is stark.

I'm not exactly sure why my integrity is being questioned...

bykebyke:
What about the Campeonato Brasileiro Série A?

That's the national league.

While Campeonato Paulista is the state league of Sao Paulo...incidentally described as the oldest professional league in Brazil.

Santos competes in both. Paulista from January to April, and Brasiliero from May till December

GBR1:
A league didn't exist in Brazil then. Winning a championship or tournament is different from winning a league title. How can you be so daft not to know this?

A league usually consists of a table with each teams facing each other home and away over the course of a season. That's what a league is and it's obvious you simply didn't know.

Show me the teams that faced each other home and away then and show me the table of how that season ended. There's simply no table; that's because it wasn't a league you ignoramus.

Imagine referring to a knock out competition and what you had to play finals to win as a league?
England had a league as far back as the 50s or 60s. You can go online and easily find the league tables of those seasons but Brazil didn't have a league. I can show you the English league table of 1889 or 1962; you can find it yourself on Wikipedia

Bykebyke start searching for those Brazilian league tables and show me; Even Wikipedia won't help you here.

You're an illiterate and I stand by that.

Brazil actually has an interesting system where they have a National League and multiple State Leagues and teams will usually compete in both National and State leagues simultaneously during the season.

The Campeonato Paulista is a League now and was a league back in the 60s....and Pele won it.

raumdeuter:
So which coach has managed England that an exit has not been his fault

But Roy was to blame for this one sha

raumdeuter:
EVery tournament its always the coach to blame if its not Erikson, its Keegan its Mclaren its Capello its never the gathering of crap players they have

When I tell you that England have no talents all they have are media creations una go dey follow me argue

Iceland as in Iceland sent England home. Do you even need a coach to beat Iceland

That's exactly why I said the coach is a dullard.

Unless you're saying that the Iceland team is more talented than England.

Endy10:
Given the fact that it was her speech that convinced the other houses to back Jon as king in the north, I say she is very mature. She knew she had to back Jon in the battle of the bastards because her house swore allegiance to house start (for houses that still knew what allegiance meant), yet she left enough men in her home to defend it. That's tact my friend. The fact that her people followed her without questions showed this is a little girl that has leadership qualities in her.
It takes something special for the words from a child's mouth to sway the minds of old men

This exactly the point.

She made a decision that would turn out to be a poor one. She put her men under the leadership of an emotional and tactically indisciplined leader in Jon Snow.

If it wasn't for the Knights of the Vale, Jon wouldnt be alive today, and all the men would be dead! It's not leadership qualities that her poor men are following, they are obliged to maintain that master/servant relationship...and I just dont understand why.

She's not the only one too. Tommen, Joffrey, and that boy from the Vale are all Children who don't know what the time is. Yet you had people blindly and unquestionably following the orders of these kids who don't even know what life is about.

blackjack21:
Not because she's a noble born but because she is mature at such a young age. even in real life there are people like that.
maturity doesn't always come with age.

She's not mature.
She's a child.

She lacks diplomacy and tact, and speaks too openlu because...well, she's a child.

Take her decision to back Jon Snow from the onset, for example. That was a very daft and tactically naive decision. All the other Lords of the north who could see the play knew that Jon Snow did not have the men and political goodwill to take on Ramsay...and they were right to abstain.

The vast majority of Snow's men were butchered.I wonder how many of the Mormonts survived that battle. If not for the Knights of the Vale, which that kid did not know about when risking her innocent men's lives, Jon snow and his men would be dead...and the Mormonts would have a target painted on their backsides.

The only reason her men listen to her is out of an obligation to maintain the servant -lord/lady relationship. I'm just baffled as to why.

Endy10:
You mean lady mormont?

Yes, hir

How is it that nobody has backhanded that Lyanna whenever she opens her mouth?

I mean, these are grown folk chatting grown folk chit. Should that tiny girl be piping up at the table simply because she's of noble birth?

I would have given her a feeding bottle and a barbie doll, and chased her away to go and play with her mates...

chic2pimp:
My G I am speechless. They underrated Iceland. Portugal would have been a better draw. They would have been up for it right from the get go.

My social media is just bare jokes.

Bars on Bars.

The best one I've seen is that Iceland is supposed to be cheap, but Joke Hart didn't save anything

I can't even wait to get in to work

raumdeuter:
Since 1966 this is England in the knockouts!

Euros
1996 England beats Spain 4-2 penalties

WC
1986, England beats Paraguay 3-0
1990: England beats Belgium (16), Cameroon (Quarters)
2002: England beats Denmark 3-0
2006: England beats Ecuador

WHen we say a country is useless, the league is hopeless, the players are brainless and the coach is a mess

This time it's really on the coach though...

That guy is a dullard.

Which other manager or team has fielded 4 strikers, 5 defenders and only 1 natural midfielder at the same time?

The guy left genuine wingers at home and decided to play Vardy and Sturridge wide.

Left drinkwater at home and played Rooney in midfield.

Without prejudice, I genuinely believe that the likes of Fanny Amun, Amodu Shuiabu and even the corpse of Steven Keshi would have done a better job than that owl looking, Swedish speaking, speech impeded muthafucker

chic2pimp:
Hahaha

But dude it's Iceland for pete's sake. C'mon three lions let's go

Ah no tell you?

When you see foreigners having free and uncontrolled migration into the England Box 18, it was likely to end in another Brexit.

chic2pimp:
Na so o. Down 2-1 to iceland. Unthinkable at the start of the game.

Unthinkable ke?

Seems like you know sabi England. These guys are very skilled at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

joke hart strikes again...

typical england

smh

Ibime:
O boy Battle of the Bastards was so lit, I'm wondering whats in store today

I won't spoil it for you...


But it is LITERALLY Lit

Oh Jesus