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toneyb:
His black jesus revealed it to him in his dreams. There was no bible until the catholic church decided to put it together through votes, so i wonder why No2atheism is crying all over the place. Is he trying to tell us that he knows the bible more than the people that put it together and brought it into existence?

1. Obvious melodrama that does not warrant a response, since this same question has been tackled over and over again using both biblical verses as references and also using historical context of how is is true.

Inferiority complex is quite a sad thing don't you think   , as such i doubt if either of your would accept as true the academic and biblical argument put forward about the race and skin colour of the messiah. Even truthfull whitemen have gone on video record to say that they know the Messiah is not white. Yet here we are still bickering about the same issue.

What can i say, but for you to believe what you will.

Mine is to give you the information necessary to break you off the dogmatic part. If u agree fine, if you don't its still fine.

chukwudi44:
@No2Atheism

The truth is that you can never make a mockery of the catholic church without making a miockery of christianity itself.The history of christianity cannever be seperated from the history of the catholic church.

The Bible never existed until the fourt century AD ,we had more than 100 scricptures that existed as seperate books ,some of them  actually contradicted themselves,it was this same catholic church that you so most detest that sat down to select the books that got into that document we know call the bible.

Most of the scriptures did not disclose their authors ,The entire gospels,Acts and the letter of the hebrews did not disclose thier authors it was the catholic church that told us who wrote this books.If in the end it turns out that the catholic church is a delvilish organisation as you want many to beleive then all of christendom are going down since they rely on the catholic canonised scriptures for their doctrines.

The jewish council of jamnia in AD 90 rejected the entire new testaments and Jesus christ himself calling Jesus a false prophet ,It was the catholic church that defined most of today's christian teachings notably the trinity.

1. The ancient isrealites during the time of the Messiah denied him and called for his crucifixion, so stop blow hot or cold about whether or not some jews accepted the new testament scriptures or not. that is irrelevant, considering that it is on record that certain jews were vehemently opposed to the spread of the Gospel hence your ascertion does not hold water.

2. All you have just said is still predominantly refering to the issue of compilation and not writing. I repeat the Catholic church did not write the Bible, catholic church founders were merely part of the people who contributed to the compilation of the bible (other people also contributed and never blew their own trumpet and history shows that heresy of the catholic church and its adherents contributed to schisms in the early after the Apostles).

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@please toneyb,chukwudi, tudor kindly do your best to either contribute to thread and please stop derailing, as i would no longer respond to any of your post so long as i notice that i has nothing to add to the topic.

The topic is asking for an official source to confirm whether or not what was reported that the catholic church said is true or not.

If u have something to contribute please do if not please do not derail the thread.

Thank you.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=303439.msg4276858#msg4276858 date=1249035304]Are they lying?
At least the morons who compiled and edited the joke book you call a bible are now admitting it's false.
Mr I-know-all would as usual claim to know more than them.
Let me guess. . .the "creator" revealed it to you again this time, right?[/quote]1. You know i do not have time for diatribe and melodrama so please do not bother yourself.

2. I do not know it all, however i am not afraid to laid bear that which i understand and then also provide sources for adequate academic discussion. This attitude of insulting people that you have taking upon yourself is not wise. At least try to train yourself to engage in a discussion without insults. At least notice that i have disagreed with @jagoon without insulting him. Haba i do not think it would hurt to learn to do that don't you think.

3. Because i do not know it all is that reason i asked for positive contribution to the thread, so please you are welcomed if you have something positive to contribute, otherwise please do not derail the thread, because it would become useless once people start discussing something unrelated on it.

thank you.

how u dey sef ,

before i continue showing my 32 can u please answer the question so that i would know how to answer your allegation against me.

May kelly:
OLAADEGBU, welldone. at last you can read. so tell us the lineage of ur prophet mohammed. as for SyUser he is not christian rather a mus.lim. He is only pretending and was ashamed to proclaim it to his fellows.

@maykelly

Hmmmmm so what or who exactly am I (considering that SysUser is my past ID), so can you kindly please let me know who or what exactly am I, considering.

- I believe completely in the Bible.
- I believe that salvation is by Grace only through Faith in the Messiah (i.e the only begotten of the Heavenly Father)

So can you please let me know who or what I am since you claim i am something or someone else.

May kelly:
Oh! my friend, i must tell you the truth, you need a Psychologist before it gets out of hand here in nairaland.


and what do you have to say about these:

MAIDUGURI, Nigeria – The leader of the Islamist sect blamed for days of violence in northern Nigeria has been shot and killed while in police custody, officials said Thursday.


Seeking to impose Islamic Shariah law throughout this multi-religious country, the militants attacked police stations, churches, prisons and government buildings in a wave of violence that began Sunday in Borno and quickly spread to three other northern states.


President Umaru Yar'Adua said that security agents had been ordered to attack when the movement started gathering fighters from nearby states at its sprawling Maiduguri compound in preparation for [b]"the holy war."[/b]

@maykelly how u dey

By the way i do not know the correlation between your statement and the topic, please expanciate.

@jagoon

- Learn about ancient history and church history is part of my hubby, hence i am sorry to point out to you that one of things which you said as regards the bible and the catholic church[b] is actually not true[/b].

- Actually the catholic church did not write the bible (some founding fathers of the catholic church only contributed to the compilation of the bible), there were also other non-catholic churches that contibuted to the compilation of the bible (and i am sure you have never heard those ones claiming to have written the bible in contrast to the lie and heresy of the catholic church claiming to have written the bible). there was disagreement during the compilation process obviously and understandably due to heretic teachings by some people during the early centuries of the church.
The scriptures had already been written even before there was anything known as the catholic church.

- Finally the logic that other people do not and cannot know the scriptures or the truth about the scriptures is very faulty, simply because if it were true, then it means the pharasees (who were excellent students of ancient scriptures) were right and the apostles were wrong if one considers the scholarship and context of their own time and era.

- Also there is fatally flawed foundation upon which your statemets were built, this faulty logic stems from the use of the word "they" when you said and i quote: "if they admit their compilation is entirely accurate". Your logic shows that you are assuming that the early church is the same thing as the catholic church. Please not Sir, that you are very wrong. Infact that early church is not the same thing as the catholic church (please check your history books for confirmation, cus i do not want to waste time and effort going through that one here). The catholic church was merely an apostate church that had military power, hence it was able to almost wipe out all dissenting voices that do not agree with their views and opinion. Truth is not a function of popularity or numbers, hence cause the catholic church used military might and coercion and brainwashing and intimidation to dominate nations, peoples and countries over thousands of years does not mean it is true and right (same way that the duration and number games of the islamist does not make them true).


The heresy of the catholic church during and after the compilation is partly to blame for the early breakup in the early church after the apostles had all died.

So please do not be annoyed if i choose not to respond to any statement from you that is related to whether

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@topic

Back to the topic, can someone please provide me with information on how to confirm the report of the topic, i want to be able to confirm from catholics themselves before forming an opinion. I am not comfortable forming an opinion based on hearsay.

Holy shit


1. Yes i know the catholic church is heretic.
2. Yes i know the catholic church is full of lies.
3. Yes i know most faithful catholics are hopelessly brainwashed.

However i just stumbled on an information (i think through nairaland).

In summary, the information says that catholic church says certain parts of the Bible is not true i.e. The Bible is lying and the Catholic Church is telling the truth.


Wow this is really something.

Below is the exact quotation from the website that reported the news and also the reference to the website.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece


THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.

The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the Bible.

In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions.

They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.

The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”

They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a fundamentalist approach.

“Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others.”

Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt. Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in relations between Jews and Christians.”

As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.

The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew’s and Edinburgh, explain its context.

They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.

The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years, Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. “We have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and ever new.”

A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute animated film, It’s a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said: “There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them go to church regularly.

That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic Christian teaching.”

BELIEVE IT OR NOT

UNTRUE

Genesis ii, 21-22

So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man

Genesis iii, 16

God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

Matthew xxvii, 25

The words of the crowd: “His blood be on us and on our children.”

Revelation xix,20

And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone.”

TRUE

Exodus iii, 14

God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”

Leviticus xxvi,12

“I will be your God, and you shall be my people.”

Exodus xx,1-17

The Ten Commandments

Matthew v,7

The Sermon on the Mount

Mark viii,29

Peter declares Jesus to be the Christ

Luke i

The Virgin Birth

John xx,28

Proof of bodily resurrection






Can someone please confirm whether or not this is true , cus i want to know whether or not the catholic church has started to blatantly tear out pages of the bible they do not agree with. Yes i know they have been doing it in secret and under the cover of darkness, however i just want to confirm whether or not anyone has an official proclamation from them concerning the above accussation against them.

I would not be suprised if sooner or later and in like 200yrs from now, it might be possible for the catholic church to claim that the whole bible is not true and that their church tradition is the only true thing.

Wow how does @lady and @chukwudi get to have peace of mind with all this kind of nonsense going on within what they claim to believe.

Thank you.

you're wasting too much time and trying too hard to find "personalisation of issues" where there is none. I didnt respond to you based on your ID but based on the issues you raised which i had problems with . . . not with you as a person.

I am about to break my promise not to respond to you on this topic again, but i think the grounds for breaking such a promise is sensible, so here goes.

@davidylan

Frankly speaking, i could care less if u had issues with me  . However the point i am trying to raise has to do with the disinformation that you presented in the form of your rebuttal to my earlier posts on this thread. Nevertheless it would be good for you to Stop blowing hot and cold with your statements, considering that this is not the first time you would be making such statements laced more with personalised attacks (i notice this not just from the ones towards me but also towards others on this forum). Its easy to know this via your from your tone and choice of words. Your style of responses imply to me that u tend to find it difficult to dissociate the ID from the issue. This is not your first time and probably would not be the last based on my observation  . Anyone who goes through your responses to my rebuttals on this thread would clearly see that what you claim to have said is completely different from what you are actually saying.

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I personally tend to do my best to avoid bickering and personalisation of discussions (both from people i know and those that i do not), but it seems your choice of words shows you are still struggling in that respect of dissociating issues from tissues. I frankly do not know u enough to raise personal issues with you, hence the reason why despite your innuendo laced responses (on this thread and on another which u know of), i have instead chosen to ignore instead rather focus on providing an straight and non-emotive answers to your questions.

You ought to have observed my pattern of discussion enough to know that i am not one thats not able to openly admit that i am wrong on a issue (I have done it several times on this forum and would continue to do cus i am not perfect). However in this particular case, your responses and conclusions are completely way off the mark to say the least (and that is not the first time from my observation of where u have taken issues with my own statements).

Before i proceed, lets try and clarify a little bit of ground work, since it seems u are not getting the full picture of where i am coming from on this issue of Boko Haram, Nigerian and how i ended up relating it to the Moors:


- Yes islam is evil and needs to be stopped.
- Yes Boko Haram are terrorists that need to be dealt with according to the law.
- Yes Boko Haram want to Islamise Nigeria.
- Yes Boko Haram claims that western education is evil.

I do not dispute the points above infact i support those points listed above.

However what i do not support and would not ascribe to is when a false historical generalisation based on wikipedia and/or eurocentric authors are made on issues that have to do with Black Africans, Muslims and Black African Muslims. Thus in as much as i want to reveal the truth about islam, I am not one to peddle half-truths about when and where Muslim Arabs and/or Black Muslims have contributed or have not contributed to the wealth of educational knowledge that we have today.

Hence the reason why i raised the point about the Moors so as to show to even Muslims on this thread that what Boko Haram is doing is not only stupid, wrong and flawed from a common sense perspective, but also that it is inaccurate from a muslim historical point of view. This i tried to show (before you interjected with your unfounded claim based on wikipedia ) by revealing to everyone on the thread that not only is it flawed to claim that the Wealth of Scientific knowledge is Western in nature, it is actually inaccurate from the historical point of view.

Infact opposing islam or opposing Boko Haram, does not imply that half-truths about history should be peddled in the name of opposition to islam (something which u clearly did, hence my responses to you). Even the Messiah himself gave unto Ceasare what belong to Ceasare. In this case, real history (not Eurocentric and whitewashed history) shows that for about 800years some Muslim Black Africans/Arabs generally called Moors brought over knowledge of science to Europe during the dark ages of Europe (hence the fundamental reason for which Europe was able to get out the dark ages). Infact the so called European Rennaisance is linked to the technological and scientific improvements brought to Europe by the muslims known as the Moors (infact the so called voyage of Christopher Columbus to discover America occurred a few years after the Moors had been driven from Europe - by the way it is patently false that Christopher Columbus discovered America considering that others had already been making the journey to and from America even before his time)

Europe and the Western World did not spontaneously become highly educated overnight, instead they go that education from somewhere. For the most part of modern Europe, they were feudal and theological in nature. Their significant change away from feudalism and theological education was mostly due to the 800year rule and influence of the Black African/Arab Muslims known as the Moors.

History shows that the bulk of our Scientific/Literary Information started mostly with the Egyptians, was improved upon by the Greeks, then by the Romans and then until it got into the hands of the Arabs (partly due to their invasion of Egypt around 639 AD), hence between that time and the time of the occupation of parts of Europe by the Moors (who were black muslims and arabs).

I decided to respond to your rebuttal because i notice that your responses were centered more on melodrama and wikipedia as a source, i would advise you to read and study the following books and also watch the accompanying videos, which would actually give you academic information related to the topic of Ancient History, Moors, African History, European History, their interaction and why it is that the wikipedia quotation is inherently flawed.




Dr. Joel Freeman/Don Griffin Return to Glory - The Truth About Black History/The Powerful Stirring of the Black Man (Video and Book)

Martin Bernal - Black Athena (Book).

Cheikh Anta Diop - The African Origin of Civilisation: Myth or Reality (Book).

George James - Stolen Legacy (Book).

John Henrik Clark/Dr. Martin Bernal versus Dr. Mary Lefkowitz/Dr. Guy McLean - Academic Debate on the Origins of Western Civilisation and a little bit of Black Athena (Video).

Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan - Dr. Ben in Kemet (Video).

Dr. Leonard Jefferies/John Henrik Clark/Dr. Martin Bernal/Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan/Dr. Ivan Van Sertima  - Christopher Columbus and Slavery (Video).

Basil Davidson - European Distortion of African History (Video)

Dr Chancellor Williams - The Destruction of Black Civilization.

Ivan Van Sertima - They Came Before Columbus (Video and Book),

Ivan Van Sertima - Africans in Science: Ancient and Modern (Video).


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You asked the question about where the Moors are now, since i claim they were so educated. Unfortunately, i am not in a position to give you an answer to that question simply because i do not know and also i would not be able to back it up with academic references. However that which i know is that which i am informing you and others on this forum about. What i can inform you of is that:

- Some Moors were assimilated into the mainstream of white population of Europe. Hence why you have some important white families in Europe having family names and history traced back to the Moors e.g. the occurence of European family names such as Moore.
- Some Moors were driven back into Africa.
- Some Moors went over to the New World (i.e. America).


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@topic

I for one have always said that Africa and Africans would not know peace until national borders are erased and new borders are demarcated based on either ethnicity or based on mutual agreement to actually come together to form a country.

Africa was balkanised by Europeans for their own selfish reasons and we are still suffering because of that action till now.

The issue of islamisation of nigeria is inherently flawed because it would most certainly lead to bloodshed on either sides, hence the best solution is that Nigeria should split up into regions that handle their own affairs independently so such that the country known as Nigeria would cease to exist.

Even if Boko Haram is suppressed and dealt with, the unfortunate truth is that another version of Boko Haram would still spring up, simply because islam makes it very easy for such things to happen because there is a lot of justification for such an action and line of thinking within Islam itself.

Lets just hope, too much blood is not shed until Nigeria and Africa actually decides to do the right and correct thing of redrawing of nation states based on mutual agreement and mutual culture.

topeorekoy:
AW needs to buy quality replacement. we have sold 2 key players and still no replacement. am so worried, is it until all the quality player ahve been bought? he shld not wait till the end b4 he starts buying. y cant he just spend the #5m pounds sunderland spent on lorik cana? sometimes AW makes my mind skip a bit. must we sell every season?

Yes unfortunately we have to come up with money to service our debts and also buy players every season. And the only way to balance the books and not increase the debt is by selling which is exactly what wenger is doing. Hence i would not be suprised if Fabregas is sold next year.

davidylan:
Too bad . . . the problem with a lot of you is you read books that are filled with halftruths and then all of a sudden assume you have knowledge.

1. To claim that Sertima is a "world respected historian" is to utterly and hypocritically disregard the serious criticism levelled against his works by fellow historians. Here is one - A 1997 Journal of Current Anthropology article criticized in detail many elements of Van Sertima's 1976 book They Came Before Columbus.
- Gabriel Haslip-Viera; Bernard Ortiz de Montellano; Warren Barbour, "Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima's Afrocentricity and the Olmecs", Current Anthropology, Vol.38 (3), June 1997

More - In a New York Times 1977 review of Van Sertima's works, British scholar Glyn Daniel labelled Van Sertima's work as "ignorant rubbish", concluding that the writings of Van Sertima (and Barry Fell, whom he was also reviewing) “give us badly argued theories based on fantasies”.[5]. Dean R. Snow, a professor of anthropology, in 1981 wrote that Van Sertima "uses the now familiar technique of stringing together bits of carefully selected evidence, each surgically removed from the context that would give it a rational explanation". Snow continued, "The findings of professional archaeologists and physical anthropologists are misrepresented so that they seem to support the [Van Sertima] hypothesis."

- Read more sources via wikipedia.

2. There are VERY SERIOUS problems with Van Sertima's afrocentric claims (i'm sure you dont know that the Moors Sertima ascribed all those scientific advances to were black North Africans) is that they dont make any sense in contemporary science. If truly muslims gave Europe all the modern advances in science . . . what happened after that? Did all the muslim scientists die in an earthquake? Why did Jews and Europeans (who allegedly relied on muslims for advancement) suddenly shoot ahead of everyone else?

Where are the muslim scientific achievements?

3. Van Sertima was born in 1935, why did NO ONE ELSE document this alleged muslim contribution to science? Why did everyone (including the alleged muslim scientists) wait almost 1000 yrs to document these achievements?

These are critical issues you need to look at, not just read off a bogus book and start making unfounded claims. You can be irritated all you want, none of my business.

Okay now i sincerely do not understand where the antagonism is coming from  , wow nairaland does not cease to amaze me or is there something else that i am supposed to know about as per operating on nairaland or something. In case you are looking for the I am right, You are wrong or You are right, I am wrong scenario, then be informed that i am not one to humour you based on that. Mine is to present my statements in conjuction with my references for others to crosscheck and form their own personal opinion. If their opinion agrees with mine, fair enough, if it does not, it is not my place to enforce it on them nor start making it personal.


1. Okay i can see the you are eurocentric, hence i do not think it warrants my time and effort to wade into this issue, cus this is not even an issue of a day or month or years. Historian far far knowledgable than i am on topics like this have been waging such a battle of eurocentric ideas versus real world history.

2. One peculiar thing about the people you are quoting and the rebuttals that have been giving is that most if not all of them have been mere character assassinations and not academic rebuttals. What Ivan Sertima did is not mere paper conjecture but things actually backed up by physical historical evidences (please check some of the related videos bearing his name).

3. Yes its good to oppose muslims, but please lets do it with the truth and not unneeded half-truths. History shows that Moors (who were muslims) contributed to the development of our present day knowledge of science (saying the truth and giving them the honour they deserve does not add nor subtract from the truth of the Bible neither does it aid the lies of islam or the quran simply because at the end of the day, truth would prevail even if its an enemy that says it)

4. One thing i still do not get is that, how did you go from no bordering about my radar to making it your duty to antagonise me. Fair enough its a free world hence i would take it like that and ignore it.

5. Funny that your references come from Eurocentric authors.

6. In as much as i am tempted to prolong this our dialogue, i think i would swallow my pride and instead let it pass. At least its good it has been done twice enough to make me understand that the first time was just not a one-off.

7. I find it rather weird that you are choosing to discredit Ivan Van Sertima wow wow   based on what eurocentric authors are saying and in blatant contradiction to obvious physical and pictorial references (although please note that it does not mean the Ivan van Sertima is a saint far far from it, rather what he says and what he has documented is referencable, viewable and indisputable).

8. By the way your comment about the book which i recommended i.e. "Golden age of the Moor By Ivan Van Sertima" shows that u do not intend to read it before passing judgement. This is because if u had taking time to go through it before passing judgement on the book you would realise the following:

a. It was not written by Ivan van Sertima, rather it was edited by him (meaning that he took it upon himself to verify the information provided by the materials in the book)
b. Some of the information provided in the book actually refer to western sources of information.


9. Okay taking that you have chosen to discredit Ivan Van Sertima without actually making an effort to read the book (i know this because you showed from your statements that you do not even know that he did not actually write the book but merely edited it). Maybe i can recommend the following individuals and their books/videos then: (Please note that i does not mean that i completely endorse each and every word coming out of the mouth of those people mentioned, instead what they say is cross-referencable)


Dr. Joel Freeman/Don Griffin Return to Glory - The Truth About Black History/The Powerful Stirring of the Black Man (Video and Book)
Martin Bernal - Black Athena (Book).
Cheikh Anta Diop - The African Origin of Civilisation: Myth or Reality (Book).
George James - Stolen Legacy (Book).
John Henrik Clark/Dr. Martin Bernal versus Dr. Mary Lefkowitz/Dr. Guy McLean - Academic Debate on the Origins of Western Civilisation and a little bit of Black Athena (Video).
Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan - Dr. Ben in Kemet (Video).
Dr. Leonard Jefferies/John Henrik Clark/Dr. Martin Bernal/Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan/Dr. Ivan Van Sertima  - Christopher Columbus and Slavery (Video).
Basil Davidson - European Distortion of African History (Video)
Dr Chancellor Williams - The Destruction of Black Civilization.
Ivan Van Sertima - They Came Before Columbus (Video and Book),
Ivan Van Sertima - Africans in Science: Ancient and Modern (Video).




10. Considering that u have chosen to personalise issues with me for some unknown reasons (which i am still trying to fanthom), and also considering that i prefer not to go down the route of public bickering i think it would be wise not to respond to your subsequent statements (not because i do not have a response but rather because it is the appropriate thing to do under the circumstance) so as not to bring about a public spat and instead focus on the threads itself.

Wow wow this is seriously a wow moment   , who could have thought   wow seriously wow. At least there is nothing hidden now, now that the intent of the heart has been spoken out through words of the mouth.

Wow nairaland keeps suprising me, I have heard of friendly fire, but damn   this is more like sniper shots   , anyway, world keeps moving.



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@oyb and other muslims

Back to the original topic of thread, the issue is that the phrase "true moderate muslim" is an oxymoron simply because being a true muslim requires muslims to either kill or discriminate against other faith or oppress them (e.g. Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Zamfara State, Most of Northern Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Most of the Muslim Middle East). Hence in as much as i do not want the Boko Haram people to be killed, at the same time, enough is enough, muslims need to be warned that they should not tempt bible believers into taking retailiatory actions if and when they are pushed to the wall. Hence someone cannot be a true muslim at the same time as being a moderate muslim, it is not possible.

davidylan:
The highlights in red are essentially false propaganda.

am now starting to find this little little snippets of opposition quite irritating to say the least. You know what do yourself a favour by reading the following book, before u start point false fingers in my direction.

- Golden age of the Moor By Ivan Van Sertima

By the way, Ivan Van Sertima is not even a muslim, instead he is a world respected Historian who specialises in history that has something to do with Africa.



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oyb:
outside of the higlighted this is indeed a shocker coming from the same no2A who keeps knocking islam. seems my post actually do get through some thick skulls  

@oyb

I do not get your point.

1. Please do not assume that i am praising islam, far far from it. I am only pointing out facts of recorded history showing that Black Africans in terms of Egyptians and Moors (who were muslims and who did it in conjuction with Arabs) have contributed to the wealth of knowledge that most people now term to be western education. Hence my conclusion that it is stupid for some muslims to claim that education is evil, considering that history shows that part of what we now know as western education was actually discovered by some black muslims known as Moors.

2. You should know me enough by now to know that i am willing to speak the truth even if such a truth would be in the favour of muslims.

3. Nevertheless that does not mean i support islam, i certainly do not.

4. As far as i am concerned islam is and would always be a lie concocted by mohammed in conjuction with the demon known as allah.

5. Finally although i have not gone through the whole posts on this thread, let me just say that it seems to be quiet in terms of hearing condemnation from muslims about this Boko Haram people or are they just doing the dirty work of so called moderate muslims.

This is why i despise muslim terrorist. They obviously have been miseducated and brainwashed into thinking that everything education is evil. Wo keeps deceiving and brainwashing these people that everything western and technological is evil. Maybe they should start walking around naked since their clothes were also made through western knowledge.


- Algebra is an Moor/Arabic invention i.e. europeans did not create algebra, Moors (i.e. muslims black africans in conjuction with Arabs) actually created algebra hence i am not suprised they are too dumb to realise this.

- The presence of Astronomy, Alkaline etc. in europe have deep roots in the Black Moors that once ruled Europe who then brought such scientific and technological knowledge to Europe and brought Europe out of the dark ages, so people should stop deceiving themselves that western education is evil, considering that most of what the west started with was actually brought to them starting from Egypt, through Greece, through Romans and then through the Moors/Arabs.

- I am sure that these brainwashed Boko Harum muslims do not even realise that once upon a time most Europeans were dirty and an unhygenic and that it was the educated MOORS that brought the concept of personal hygiene to Europe.

- The numbers that we are using in mathematics comes from both India and Arabic in one form or another, it is not roman numbers. It is easy to understand that roman numbers are useless and unusable for everyday work.

- The truth is that there is no moderate muslims, we only have passive muslim. Every muslim is a potential terrorist.

I am not suprised that some muslims on this forum are trying to compare them to MEND , shior wonders shall never end.

As the Yorubas say, "ïf you push the goat to the wall and it has no where else to go, it would turn and face you" i hope a word is enough for the wise.

This is why i despise muslim terrorist. They obviously have been miseducated and brainwashed into thinking that everything education is evil. Wo keeps deceiving and brainwashing these people that everything western and technological is evil. Maybe they should start walking around naked since their clothes were also made through western knowledge.


- Algebra is an Moor/Arabic nvention i.e. europeans did not create algebra, Moors (i.e. muslims black africans in conjuction with Arabs) actually created algebra hence i am not suprised they are too dumb to realise this.

- The presence of Astronomy, Alkaline etc. in europe have roots in the Black Moors that once ruled Europe, so people should stop deceiving themselves that western education is evil, considering that most of what the west started with was actually brought to them starting from Egypt, through Greece, through Romans and then through the Moors/Arabs.

- The numbers that we are using in mathematics comes from both India and Arabic in one form or another, it is not roman numbers. It is easy to understand that roman numbers are useless and unusable for everyday work.

- The truth is that there is no moderate muslims, we only have passive muslim. Every muslim is a potential terrorist.

I am not suprised that some muslims on this forum are trying to compare them to MEND , shior wonders shall never end.

As the Yorubas say, "ïf you push the goat to the wall and it has no where else to go, it would turn and face you" i hope a word is enough for the wise.

This is why i despise muslim terrorist. They obviously have been miseducated and brainwashed into thinking that everything education is evil. Wo keeps deceiving and brainwashing these people that everything western and technological is evil. Maybe they should start walking around naked since their clothes were also made through western knowledge.


- Algebra is an Moor/Arabic invention i.e. europeans did not create algebra, Moors (i.e. muslims black africans in conjuction with Arabs) actually created algebra hence i am not suprised they are too dumb to realise this.

- The presence of Astronomy, Alkaline etc. in europe have deep roots in the Black Moors that once ruled Europe who then brought such scientific and technological knowledge to Europe and brought Europe out of the dark ages, so people should stop deceiving themselves that western education is evil, considering that most of what the west started with was actually brought to them starting from Egypt, through Greece, through Romans and then through the Moors/Arabs.

- I am sure that these brainwashed Boko Harum muslims do not even realise that once upon a time most Europeans were dirty and an unhygenic and that it was the educated MOORS that brought the concept of personal hygiene to Europe.

- The numbers that we are using in mathematics comes from both India and Arabic in one form or another, it is not roman numbers. It is easy to understand that roman numbers are useless and unusable for everyday work.

- The truth is that there is no moderate muslims, we only have passive muslim. Every muslim is a potential terrorist.

I am not suprised that some muslims on this forum are trying to compare them to MEND , shior wonders shall never end.

As the Yorubas say, "ïf you push the goat to the wall and it has no where else to go, it would turn and face you" i hope a word is enough for the wise.

I am still an arsenal fan but frankly speaking, Wenger lost my respect last season.  I told someone at the beginning of last season that the team was not good enough to win anything, i was hoping that wenger would prove me wrong but it seems he actually proved me right. The coming season is turning into something similar. Frankly i think Chelsea is going to dominate the premiership this season, from what i have seen of them.
ManUTD is depleted (Ronaldo and Tevez) and would take at least a season to build back to a dominant side. Also ManUTD cannot spend as much again cus of their mounting debt burden.
Liverpool would be weakened by loss of Xabi Alonso or Mascherano or both.
Arsenal still does not have that killer instinct in attack, nor defensive midfield nor defense.
Man City is intentionally buying players from ManUTD, Arsenal so as to try and weaken the top 4 and make it easier for them to break into the top 4. They did not only buy adebayor or toure or Tevez because they are best players in the world. They were also bougth so as to weaken the top 4. The is part of the reason they were also after Terry.


- Hleb should not have been sold
- Toure would be sold
- Adebayor has been sold (which is good by the way).
- Flamini is also a one season wonder (hence i am not too worried)

The problem however is that Wenger seems to be quite stuck up in his thinking considering that:

- He is already starting to make excuses implying that he might not buy any player after all.
- Silvestre seems to be worth more to Wenger than Toure from my impression.

Hence i would not be suprised if at the end of the day, Arsenal does not buy any player before the beginning of the season, i hope i am wrong but i have a feeling i am right.



I would really enjoin fellow gooners to just enjoy the spectacle and forget about winning any competition this coming season. Wenger and the board are satisfied to collect their salary and maintain the status quo so long as arsenal continues to qualify for champions league.

@Beauty is in the eye of the beholder:

My own criteria of who is or who is not beautiful depends on the following factors:

1. Height - Taller is better as per my own ideas.
2. Cup size - Proportional boob size wen compared to the whole body not too big not too small just enough amount of boobs.
3. Slimness - Not Fat not Anorexic, just in between.
4. Natural beauty - without makeup.
5. Bone structure - facial bone structure.
6. Natural Hair - I tend to find the use of weaves on and fake hairs to be kinda off putting to be frank.
7. Curves - Most African women have it, hence it is standard.
8. Rate of Aging - Someone looking good as a youth and then looking fat and haggard as an adult is a no-no for me (The somalians i have seen tend to have a fatteninng tendency).


Based on the above raised points and my prejudices, i would say that Ethiopians have the most number of beautiful black ladies in Africa. (I sometimes consider Somalians to be mixed with Arabs as a result of Arab invasion and islamic influences, hence it why i would rather not go for somalians cus of the racial purity precondition that cannot be guaranteed in their own case). Ethiopians however have sort of maintained a rare racial purity over the years, which i guess would have been so since even the time of Moses.

This does not mean that there are not ladies in nigeria and other african countries that do not meet the above criterias. The point i am just trying to make is that in terms of proportion Ethiopians tend to have a higher proportion.

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Considering how beautiful some mixed people of all races can be, people should just imagine how beautiful Eve would have been considering she would have had all the races mixed into her and also how handsome Adam would have also been considering he would also have had all the races mixed into him.
People should imagine

Abuzola:
Salamu alaikum i invite you to Islam, the religion of peace and harmony on earth and in the hereafter

Another jargonic maxim was highlighted

@jesoul

How are the minutemen by the way, i heard u were trying to big up the UMass over Harvard and co , i understand you about that one jare. Its mostly name and status symbol bullshit wen it comes to Harvard, Stanford and co. An example of this is Dubya himself.

As per the topic jare, Yes boston and racism and racial profiling issue is not all like that and so on and so forth, i understand (cus its true that not all of them can be like that). However what happened to Gates is not a one off and it has been reported to occur within the academic evironment by black academicians (i.e. people who at least are not supposed to be doing drugs and crack cocaine). Hence the truth is that their is racial profiling.

I know u r going to defend ur future white husband  (just kidding), but on a serious note, the bottom line is that racism still exists even though there should be non, and it becomes the more annoying when it occurs amongst the so called white liberals.

- Was Gates at fault for making a mountain out of a mole hill YES
- Was the white officer guilty of being blatantly disrespectful to a black man in his own house and compound YES
- Does it smell and look like racial profiling YES
- Was the white officer guilty of lying in the police report[b] YES[/b]
- Do I like racist white people NO 
- Do I hate white people in general NO 

Hence in as much as i dislike somethings about the character of the man called Henry Gates, i would sincerely like if he can at least take the case to court so as to send a warning shot to other potential white  people with the same mentality. It would be good to make an example of the white guy and also expose the faults of Gates.

If blacks do not start treating an insult to one as an insult to all, i can assure you that whites would continue to pick on disadvantage blacks.

Imagine POTUS having to apologise to a bunch of unqualified white men for saying something which although was politically dangerous but at least was true. If someone like Gates does not make an example of this, then the ordinary black folks on the street would continue to be discriminated against (e.g. remember the white troopers stopping and maltreating the black ambulance guy while respecting the white one when both were carrying a black woman to the hospital).

I rest my case and my mouth  .

Here is my take on the Whole Gates affair:


- Gates is wrong for letting the thing blow out of proportion.

- From what i heard, Gates himself is even supposed to have White ancestry, hence technically speaking he is not even fully black.

- I just noticed from someone on this thread that Gates has a white wife is that true (now that is what is called conflict of interest for someone claiming to be fighting on behalf of africans   yes i know from experience   nope i never dated a white woman thank you   )

- If he was cool about the whole thing it would have been easier to sue the ass of the white cop for racial profiling.

- I was initially supporting the white cops against Gates, however i am no longer sure i want to support him again for reasons that you would see when you continue reading.

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- James Crowley is a closet racist. You would understand my point and conclusion when you consider the following:

1. He was asked a question  on video, where he was supposed to comment on something in relation to the president, and rather than commenting he went ahead to say something unrelated but which echoes the typical republican mindset. He went ahead to say: I DID NOT VOTE HIM i.e. he did not vote for obama (which raises the question that what WTF!!! does that have to do with the question he was asked and does that not imply he does not respect Obama as the president, lets remember that another one of the police heads just recently said on record that he was disappointed that obama is president). It is an open secret that most white people that make statement like that in terms of having a black president are mostly people that are closet racists but are too scared to say it in public. Hence they hide behind their mindset with their "he's not my president statement". Please check the time period (1:56 - 2:01) to see the comments that i am talking about in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DjuJzHSY9g

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7DjuJzHSY9g[/flash]


2. He accused Henry Gates of being uncooperative (i.e. i am the boss your the slave kinda of white racist mentality).


3. He lied in the police report that Linda Whalen (the lady who made the 911 call) mentioned that two black men did so so and so, however in complete contradiction to what James Crowley wrote in his report, the recording of the 911 call shows that the woman did not mention any black men, instead   it is James Crowley himself who brought the issue of two black men up.


4. The woman also did not mention anyone carrying a backpack, instead it was James Crowley himself who mentioned that.


5. James Crowley refuses to apologise (just like a typical racist white man) despite that evidences now show that he lied in his report and thus could have lied about other things which he is now telling the public.


6. Cambridge police department is now actively trying to dodge the fact that evidence of what happened do not add up to what James Crowley actually reported.


7. James Crowley asked for police cars to continue coming to the scene of Gates house.


8. Gates was still in his compound (i.e. on his front porch) when he was arrested, hence he could not have been found guilty of disturbing public peace since he was never in a public place to start with.


9. There is no legal reason and there was never any legal reason for arresting Gates, hence why the case was dropped since the Police department were going to be severely embarrassed in the courts. Hence the only justification that can be obtained for arresting Gates has to do with James Crowley's discretion.


10. James Crowley also claimed to have discussed further with the woman on the scene of the incident, yet the lawyer for the woman just came out to say that apart from the woman identifying herself to James Crowley, there was no further discussion between the two of them at the crime scene.


11. It takes a thief to know a thief, hence it takes someone with experience of what can happen with a racial profiling case to really know what to teach others, hence because James Crowley is a racial profiling prevention instructor does not mean he is not a racist. History shows that the most effective racists are usually the silent ones that actually look like they are helping.


12. Those who are interested in listening to the 911 call from the woman in other to see that James Crowley was lying about the woman identifying two black men with backpacks can easily listen to the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=somOd-UFBsY&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/somOd-UFBsY&feature=related[/flash]



13. Kindly also check the transcript of the correspondence of James Crowley with police radio to see that kind of things that he was saying. I have taking print screen shots of some areas of the analysis done on the police reports, you can check the link yourself to see the rest of the analysis.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/25/757783/-James-Crowley-Lied-in-his-Police-Report



14. Finally the following link is the police report showing what James Crowley officially said in the police report:

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/upload/documents/GatesPoliceReport.pdf


15. He seems to have igored the fact that Gates is not an able bodied man i.e. he uses a walkinstick to aid his movement, hence how the heck could he have posed a threat that need to neutralise.

16. Racial profiling is not something new as regards the Cambridge police, hence what James Crowley did is not just a one off event.



Hence my conclusion is that:

JAMES CROWLEY IS A CLOSET RACIST, EVEN IF HE IS NOT AN OPEN ONE.

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Here is my take on the Whole Gates affair:


- James Crowley is a closet racist. You would understand my point and conclusion when you consider the following:

1. He was asked a question on video, where he was supposed to comment on something in relation to the president, and rather than commenting he went ahead to say something unrelated but which echoes the typical republican mindset. He went ahead to say: I DID NOT VOTE HIM i.e. he did not vote for obama (which raises the question that what does that have to do with the question he was asked and does that not imply he does not respect Obama as the president, lets remember that another one of the police heads just recently said on record that he was disappointed that obama is president). It is an open secret that most white people that make statement like that in terms of having a black president are mostly people that are closet racists but are too scared to say it in public. Hence they hide behind their mindset with their "he's not my president statement". Please check the time period (1:56 - 2:01) to see the comments that i am talking about in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DjuJzHSY9g

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/7DjuJzHSY9g[/flash]


2. He accused Henry Gates of being uncooperative (i.e. i am the boss your the slave kinda of white racist mentality).


3. He lied in the police report that Linda Whalen (the lady who made the 911 call) mentioned that two black men did so so and so, however in complete contradiction to what James Crowley wrote in his report, the recording of the 911 call shows that the woman did not mention any black men, instead it is James Crowley himself who brought the issue of two black men up.


4. The woman also did not mention anyone carrying a backpack, instead it was James Crowley himself who mentioned that.


5. James Crowley refuses to apologise (just like a typical racist white man) despite that evidences now show that he lied in his report and thus could have lied about other things which he is now telling the public.


6. Cambridge police department is now actively trying to dodge the fact that evidence of what happened do not add up to what James Crowley actually reported.


7. James Crowley asked for police cars to continue coming to the scene of Gates house.


8. Gates was still in his compound (i.e. on his front porch) when he was arrested, hence he could not have been found guilty of disturbing public peace since he was never in a public place to start with.


9. There is no legal reason and there was never any legal reason for arresting Gates, hence why the case was dropped since the Police department were going to be severely embarrassed in the courts. Hence the only justification that can be obtained for arresting Gates has to do with James Crowley's discretion.


10. James Crowley also claimed to have discussed further with the woman on the scene of the incident, yet the lawyer for the woman just came out to say that apart from the woman identifying herself to James Crowley, there was no further discussion between the two of them at the crime scene.


11. It takes a thief to know a thief, hence it takes someone with experience of what can happen with a racial profiling case to really know what to teach others, hence because James Crowley is a racial profiling prevention instructor does not mean he is not a racist. History shows that the most effective racists are usually the silent ones that actually look like they are helping.


12. Those who are interested in listening to the 911 call from the woman in other to see that James Crowley was lying about the woman identifying two black men with backpacks can easily listen to the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=somOd-UFBsY&feature=related

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/somOd-UFBsY&feature=related[/flash]



13. Kindly also check the transcript of the correspondence of James Crowley with police radio to see that kind of things that he was saying. I have taking print screen shots of some areas of the analysis done on the police reports, you can check the link yourself to see the rest of the analysis.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/25/757783/-James-Crowley-Lied-in-his-Police-Report



14. Finally the following link is the police report showing what James Crowley officially said in the police report:

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/upload/documents/GatesPoliceReport.pdf


15. He seems to have igored the fact that Gates is not an able bodied man i.e. he uses a walkinstick to aid his movement, hence how the heck could he have posed a threat that need to neutralise.

16. Racial profiling is not something new as regards the Cambridge police, hence what James Crowley did is not just a one off event.






Hence my conclusion is that:

JAMES CROWLEY IS A CLOSET RACIST, EVEN IF HE IS NOT AN OPEN ONE.

muslims would see a piece of ass on the moon if they think it would improve the quran,

wakiri:
Is there a meaning to this "miracle" that Muslims might know?

nice on there  na serious viagra erectus aishagious bonafiedus

@Lady

I noticed that you so much choose to put ur faith in the catholic church fathers rather than wat the bible actually says. Below is an except of what one or many of the so called church fathers or early philosophers are reported to have said:

“Fallen angels taught men the use of magical incantations that would force demons to obey man. After the flood Ham the son of Noah unhappily discovered this and taught it to his sons. This became ingrained into the Egyptians, Persians, and Babylonians. Ham died shortly after the fall of the Tower of Babel. Nimrod, called Ninus by the Greeks, was handed this knowledge and by it caused men to go away from the worship of God and go into diverse and erratic superstitions and began to be governed by the signs in the stars and motions of the planets. Taken from Recognitions of Clement 4.26-29.” [2]


The questions from the above is that:

1. Does that statement have anything to do with foundations of racism
2. Is there proof for wat was said, considering that no one alive now was actually there during the time of Ham, Cush and Nimrod (who were all clearly black)
3. Is the above quoted statement true and how.


By the way please note that the authorship of recognition of clement is not something set in stone.

Below is one Jackson family album.

Omer Batti can be seen carrying "Blankett" and standing beside MJ.

blue spice no ves, i am hoping the moderators would transfer it to the appropriate subsection,

Below is one Jackson family album.

Omer Batti can be seen carrying "Blankett" and standing beside MJ.

additional pictures

additional pictures

There is now a good news and rumour swelling around that Micheal Jackson actually left behind two biological children (Omer Bhatti and Blankett)

Everyone knows that Blankett looks like Micheal Jackson and this is most probably his biological child, however the other latest rumour is that: Omer Bhatti is also Jackson's biological child.

The following are the points in favour of Omer Bhatti

- He was sitted in the front row together with the other family members of Micheal Jackson at Jackson's funeral (despite that even most big stars did not even come close to the front row).


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1201374/Michael-Jacksons-secret-son-sat-Jackson-family-memorial-concert.html


- He was sitted beside recognised Jackson family members in the front row.
- He actually looks like Micheal Jackson.
- Rumour has it that Micheal Jackson has actually confessed to friends earlier that Omer Bhatti was his secret love child from a one night stand with a Norwegian Woman (Pia Bhatti).
- He was very close to Micheal Jackson.
- He has a star status in Norway and his mother was quoted in Norway after MJ's death.
- He has requested for a DNA Test to ascertain whether or not Micheal Jackson was his father or not.
- He looks like Blankett.
- It is a general opinion that Blankett looks like Micheal Himself, hence it might be coincidence for Blankett to look like micheal but for Omer Bhatti to also look like Micheal Jackson and Blankett really calls for an investigation beyond coincidence.

Below are the links that you can also use to carry out your own brief research.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/family-accepted-bhatti-as-jacksons-son_1110539
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5883887/Michael-Jacksons-secret-love-child-sat-in-front-row-of-memorial-service.html
http://gawker.com/5320143/does-michael-jackson-have-a-25-year+old-son
http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/49176/michael-jackson-fathered-secret-love-child


I would be very happy is the DNA Test comes positive so that Omer Bhatti is Micheal Jackson's son. It would at least be good to know that he left behind a piece of his DNA.


At the end of the day, it might not be true and Omer Batti might not be Micheal Jackson's son, however it sure smells and looks like he his for now, until the result of the DNA Test comes out.

There is now a good news and rumour swelling around that Micheal Jackson actually left behind two biological children (Omer Bhatti and Blankett)

Everyone knows that Blankett looks like Micheal Jackson and is the one with the best chance of actually being his biological child (assuming his mother was white), however the other latest rumour is that: Omer Bhatti is also Jackson's biological child.

I was also sceptical until i considered the following points and pictures.

The following are the points in favour of Omer Bhatti

- He was sitted in the front row together with the other family members of Micheal Jackson at Jackson's funeral (despite that even most big stars did not even come close to the front row).


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1201374/Michael-Jacksons-secret-son-sat-Jackson-family-memorial-concert.html


- He was sitted beside recognised Jackson family members in the front row.
- He actually looks like Micheal Jackson.
- Rumour has it that Micheal Jackson has actually confessed to friends earlier that Omer Bhatti was his secret love child from a one night stand with a Norwegian Woman (Pia Bhatti).
- He was very close to Micheal Jackson.
- He has a star status in Norway and his mother was quoted in Norway after MJ's death.
- He has requested for a DNA Test to ascertain whether or not Micheal Jackson was his father or not.
- He looks like Blankett.
- It is a general opinion that Blankett looks like Micheal Himself, hence it might be coincidence for Blankett to look like micheal but for Omer Bhatti to also look like Micheal Jackson and Blankett really calls for an investigation beyond coincidence.

Below are the links that you can also use to carry out your own brief research.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/family-accepted-bhatti-as-jacksons-son_1110539
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5883887/Michael-Jacksons-secret-love-child-sat-in-front-row-of-memorial-service.html
http://gawker.com/5320143/does-michael-jackson-have-a-25-year+old-son
http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/49176/michael-jackson-fathered-secret-love-child

I would be very happy is the DNA Test comes positive so that Omer Bhatti is Micheal Jackson's son. It would at least be good to know that he left behind a piece of his DNA.

At the end of the day, it might not be true and Omer Batti might not be Micheal Jackson's son, however it sure smells and looks like he his for now, until the result of the DNA Test comes out.

I can't stop laughing when people play naivety in terms of forex.

- Once the business is not buying and selling or services, then it simply means someone must lose and someone must gain.

- Scammers abound because certain people gain by making sure certain people lose.

- It would help if people stop looking for cheap money and instead invest in physical goods that actually have a physical value instead of all these virtual goods and services.

- All virtual money making schemes are pyramid schemes, the only differences is that some are sanctioned by law others are not. Hence ultimately some people would lose money and then the money lost would become a profit for others that gain it.

@spiky d ball is in ur court


@IKaz na style i take bring you come here, i refuse to tag along with spiky's magnet, , i prefer your own electromagnet