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Normally, this is good new and wish it can happen with all Nigerians.

Unfortunately, it only happens among group of people from the West. It started in Lagos electing Zik to represent them in Ibadan.

Recently, Bode George defied Yoruba in Lagos allowing Igbo to present Igbo candidate in an area still owned by Ojora Family.

In each of these cases, it has never been reciprocated in the East or North. It has led to more demands in Yoruba land, not in the East.

If anything, Igbo are still bitter that Zik did not become Premier in the West, that they were blocked at Ore and that they could not get council post in Lagos. When they did, they flaunt it in Yoruba face.

Igbo has never supported Yoruba interest in the history of Nigeria. Even when Yoruba voted against Obasanjo, they voted with the North choice as usual.

Many schools in the West appointed non Yoruba prefects including Igbo. When has that become a big deal in Ilesha?

The difference here is that both America and Yoruba accept and celebrate the contributions of immigrants in their culture not usurp and stand on their shoulders beating their chests as the source of an ocean.

samuk:
It was not just the Yoruba that served the Benin Empire, others from the Igbos, Igallas, Tivs and even the Europeans did as well. Just the way America was not built alone by the whites, the Benin in the old empire were mostly administrators whilst others played other various rolls....Ijaws-sailors, Esan-millitary, Yoruba-physicians, Etsako-farming/war equipments e.t.c.

Any lady above 30 is old enough to marry younger or elder men. So state age limit. I see many elder men arguing with market women on price.

Many of them are still viable with class. There are matured younger men like France head of state that appreciate older ladies.

It will take a skillful surgeon with a special scalpel to separate reliance of Bini on Yoruba

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His mother, Idia, immediately located a Yoruba Babalawo (mystic) at Ugbo/Ilaje, in the riverine area, and brought him to Benin to work on the king´s spiritual ailment.

He later cured the Oba of the shameful ailment and the Queen after rewarding him generously, prevailed on him, (the Yoruba mystical healer), to settle permanently in Benin, in order to continue rendering his services to Oba Esigie should the need arise.

The Yoruba traditional consultant agreed to stay in Benin and set up home at Ogbelaka quarters, where his descendants have thrived until this day.[/quote]

Those claiming the story is fake can not realize the lesson and humanity this guy has brought.

Even if it is fake, so what?

We learn from fiction and good movies too. Please learn to enjoy the story and stop dissing.

A study was conducted asking women if their men satisfied them in bed and if they can do with more sex. Most of them claim they could do with more sex from their men.

When asked if they were happy in their marriage, most answered yes.

Asked if they would prefer another man that would satisfy them more sexually, most of them answered, no!

So for many women, there is more to a man than sex.

Cheating like shoplifting for those with money to pay, is a cheap thrill.

Use Oil Free Corn Buskers Lotion. You should be able to find it at one of the pharmacies.

Ingredients include water, glycerin, SD Alcohol, and others. I see calcium but no corn.

This ignoramus is looking for his class to lure into another clan war in order to prevent serious minded people from contributing.

Is there any well informed people that have not heard about the autochonous Efa and Oru where children of the same clan are now dividing themselves into dominant ethic group?

Please find your level. May your god help you.

Go back to school.

SicilianMafia:
Stop talking nonsense!

Come here @nobaga where are you from?

Leave Hausa out of what?

Check out the tribal marks of Sudanese, Hausa and Ijebu - the same.

[quote author=AlderFadington

post=63955958]Whatever game you are playing, please leave Hausas out if it.[/quote]

Thanks. I have read something along that line. The ORU were probably the real son of the soil around the Southern part.

What about the EFA?

macof:
I believe Oru refers to an ancient Ijoid people and have very little(if anything at all) to do with Bini
The Igbos call the Ijaw and generally all riverine people Olu/Oru

Edo call them Uzo and if we look at Edo-yoruba language pattern "Uzo" would be rendered as "Ijo" in Yoruba

Note: I'm not saying with certainty that there's a Yoruba connection but it's a possibility

The Edo people need to find out about the Oru and Efa that were the aboriginal owner of Bini before the Yoruba and Edo.

But before the Yoruba or Edo and Ijaw in Bini, there were Oru and Efa

See:

The Efa: Mysterious Aborigines of Edoland
Dmitri Bondarenko
AUTHORS
Dmitri Bondarenko

The Edo people need to find out about the Oru and Efa that were the aboriginal owner of Bini before the Yoruba and Edo. If the Afemai are not the Efa people, my apology.

But before the Yoruba or Edo in Bini, there were Oru, Efa and the Ijaw.

The Efa: Mysterious Aborigines of Edoland
Dmitri Bondarenko
AUTHORS
Dmitri Bondarenko + 1

Well, the same goes for all expensive weddings. It is really unwise. Tradition must be modified to pressing modern needs.

Nobody can collect all the investments they make on any child and certainly not on daughters.

Igbo parents raise dowry not only on non-Igbo but on Diaspora Igbo. Many Yoruba and non-Yoruba spend so much on weddings, they have little food left the following morning.

It has led to killing of their daughters when the husbands regret their investment on those that turn their daughters into slaves and cash cow in the market.

This lady's warning should be taken seriously by all.

As for those crying that their women should be left alone, it's too late. The train has left the station. Women have come a long way baby.

BUSINESSES & INTER-ETHNIC MARRIAGES MAY SUPPRESS AFRICAN SELF-HATRED

Businesses have always contributed a haven where you find people of different ethnic groups in pursuit of economic salvation. Any business that wants to expand its market share must expand to gain more people to patronize its goods and services. They need retailers to market services and goods. Africans have now come to realize that they have to patronize one another through the Continent. South and East African businesses now operate in West Africa and vice versa.

Local businessmen smart enough go outside to borrow in order to create manufacturing jobs at home so youths that want to stay could have incomes. Fear of lending spreads when borrowers become creditors by court fiat! We do not bankrupt one bank if we want others to lend to us. Even in the western world, if you refused to pay back and sue the banks as a USA businessman is famous for, you have to go out of the country to get odious loans for your projects.

When fear, riots and economic boycott that were irrationally carried out destroyed USA vibrant area, communities were blighted. Banks and businesses fled, killing jobs in their neighborhoods. Businesses are finally overcoming the fear of losing their investment in riot ravaged areas but if businesses of those that ventured out are not safe, we are discouraging others from investing in those areas. This is why local businessmen leave their towns to invest and live in safe areas.

African market is just growing. Even Africans in Diaspora are going back to African taste or food. Economic boycott will eventually work when we acquire other’s taste to the point of saturation. Right now, it is much easier for majority with attractive economic indicators to be self-sufficient and lure others to its taste, culture, land, jobs or entertainment than for minority to do so. This must be qualified as in some Asian countries; rich minority are the richest ethnic providing jobs.

Peaceful co-existence is failing even when they depend on one another for economic survival. Indeed, inter-ethnic marriage is so ingrain in some communities, we were hoping it would solve most of our problems. As our ladies are becoming more informed and independent; like men they have been able to unite us by marring men of their choice against cultural norms. Once amicable relationships between Ijaw/Itsekiri/Urhobo, Yoruba/Bini, Hausa/Kanuri are tenuous.

The saddest part is the effrontery and impunity when the hotheads challenge tolerance for one another. From neighbors like Ife/Modakeke, Aguleri/Umeleri or Hausa/Maguzawa to that of those with distance between their settlements like Hausa/Beroni, Igbo/Anioma, Yoruba/Bini, Yoruba/Igbo. We divide ourselves into recurring clans. People have lost respect for one another as many assumed they have the right to flaunt business/cultural norms that their hosts deserve.

Fortunately, we are changing and we are going for made-In-Africa. Why boycott our local rice for Uncle Ben’s? Business boycott worked well in western countries where they have saturated the thirst of consumers as they look for new ways to market different brand to others. In the western world, companies have spread into minority regions and sometimes killed local brands.
Even Chinese food has gone big and franchised; taking over mom and pop restaurants just as some soul food restaurants faded. A case in point are plantain chips. Mom and dad marketing “igbekere” in small chips at Rhode Island, USA. It went wild amongst Africans that were used to it at home. Before long, Spanish big business that were selling unripe plantain chips took it over and expanded the market even more. Today, plantain chips are worldwide delicacies at parties.

Threatening economic boycott against those that have little to lose but that we have more to gain from is nothing short of economic suicide. Yet, everyone has a contribution to make. Every region or ethnic group is on edge and at high alert against those trying to usurp their land. It may work against those some aggressors can subdue. But never against those that can subdue the aggressors on their land. How hard that is to understand is beyond a reasonable person.

There is no doubt that there is a great deal of money to be made in Nigeria, not only because of its big population but Nigeria has more in the number of educated consumers and exotic tastes for local and foreign goods like most African countries. The real problem has been that Africans have never gone after their consumers in full force. We have more trading partners outside the Continent than we do trade within the Continent. So by boycotting; we patronize foreigners!

Despite all the corruption in Nigeria where money is looted by politicians regardless of ethnicity in the same club, the major businesses are still coveted in one region. Most ambitious and even destitute know the favorable region to go to in order to prosper. While others stay put in their regions and prosper, those at the bottom have to get out in order to get the Golden Fleece. It is no different from those killing themselves to cross the desert before reaching greener pasture.

Western Nigeria have ethnic kinships in large number in and out of Africa. They still dominate the real economy in Africa. Retailers, mom and pop stores cannot compete with big plants that were established as industrial estates well before those in other regions were established. It made Ogun and Lagos states two of the top biggest economies in Africa, if they were countries.

As long as greener pasture remains in Lagos State, it is suicidal to boycott. Lagos and Nigerian Govt. must establish rehabilitation centers to absorb high rate of migrations in. Otherwise, it will burst into new forced exit. The tension within Lagos is more than just cultural difference, it is between desperate adventurers trying to make it and hosts of the land afraid of losing it all.

Perform a little experiment: put two or three male and female mice in a pen. If space and food remain constant as the number of mice increase, nobody needs to tell you when they will start attacking one another. All the new novel theories about who own Lagos is hogwash. The Idejo Chiefs and their descendants are the undisputable land owners that gave or sold land to others.

Some places like Jos, Rivers, Enugu and Cameroon borders restrict land ownership by gender, class or community pressure. This will spread to the West where there are proposals to lease land to outsiders for only ten or twenty years and no more. Making the North most attractive. Some new comers are cultivating stories so that they can justify land ownership outside their states. Learning from American Indians’ plight, owners’ resistance may be insurmountable.

Farouk Martins Aresa

Source

Afemai were there on the land before Edo.

Just wait. Bini children will soon claim it was their invention by a prince called izozoduduwawa. It means the greatest inventor in Ogigoso.

Seriously, I wish more researchers go to Iwo Eleru where some artifacts were dated 10,000 before Christ.

You are probably right.

Obukun is cat fish but ojiji is electric fish, I think.

janefarms2015:
You are all wrong. Obokun is called silver catfish and tilapia is called 'epiya' in yoruba

It's like the old saying worldwide. Go West Young Man Go West. It's the search for opportunities. But they also say - Thank You, it can only happen in the WEST!

Lagos needs to do it the civilized way like most places. Create a Rehabilitation Center and sort out the undesirables for skill training with cooperation from state of origin and Federal Government.

Otherwise, mass reallocation back to state of origin may raise its ugly head again. Nobody wants that. It is an act of desperation.

You guys no dey taya? Una don bring tribalism into business. It is still the only place left where everyone cooperate without overt bias.

Didn't EFCC during OBJ go after Adenuga and confiscated Tafa Balogun front businesses?

Yes, OPM is needed for business but do you have to defraud a bank in the process like Donald Trump?

This same guy, Dagote and others took a lion share of forex until a patriotic Igbo and an Hausa business men cried out.

This same Buhari jailed Shodipo over foreign money that is legal today.

Biko, in the name of Allah, shine your eyes well well.

Up till today, Saraki and his papa got away defrauding us with their bank Society General abi wething be de name self.

Omarosa embraces her Nigerian root in lovely traditional wedding attire

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stonemasonn:
Go and tell the Chinese president

You this man, you crack me up laughing my head off.

The same religion wey white use take us like monkey and banana, na im African pastors and imams dey use catch us like mumu.

I see a silver lining. I see some of you are narrating how Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba are related. This may foster accommodation, tolerance and respect for your hosts. This is how Igbo in those days were elected solely by Yoruba.

I am not sure if it is too late or not. There may be reconciliation if we all learn to be humble to our hosts.

olukumni now see themselves as igbo

Ikechuob:
Hell the areas where the olukumni are located in, prior to them migrating there was a delta igbo territory, Aniocha specially. Our ancestors literally spread out to give them area to call their own and although majority of olukumni now see themselves as igbo but prior, they migrated from modern day yorubaland. Do you see anyone bitching and moaning that our ancestors gave out a land to this people? Nope.

Heck according to my bestfriend, the percentage of yoruba in Akwa ibom is ridiculous but do you see the ibibio whining and bitching about it even though the yoruba constantly insulting them by calling them house boy and house girl? No

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Oh well, time to tell another short story:

Some years ago, we had to follow one of my childhood friends to the East to pay dowry on his MOTHER, not the wife. How come?

While we were growing up, we never even realized that the mother was Igbo. Cut long story short. When his father married the mother, she was apparently disowned (not sure, just later rumor). As the son became a successful man, the mother told him he had to go back to her home and ask for her from her relatives because the husband died already.

So we all went to this part of the East. Boy, make una see fines and penalties like Paris Club loan O!

My friend was up to it and he paid everything including all the years past.

This was how we grow up in those days. Noise makers, please for peace sake, go home and ask about Yoruba/Igbo relationship. Anywhere you find Yoruba outside their home, they are so humble and respectful of their hosts.

Indeed, please complete the story about Olukunmi in Onitsha. They swore to the reporters that they are Igbo, not Yoruba. This was even when they spoke some Yoruba. In fairness sha, there are some Igbo like that in the West. The reason you do not hear about them is because they have assimilated and they cannot stand these noise makers.

As for Igbo women, dat one dey pain una, no be small. Na who no sabi good thin. According to one Igbo proverb: if dem put sugar for una mouth or na baby mouth self, baby nor dey spit am out O.

Yoruba men sweet, no be small.

Anyway, behave like Yoruba outside their home, you would be surprised at the change of attitude, if it is not too late. It is up to the youths.

Let me be clear, I do not regret creating this topic, the only thing I am sorry for is that it has brought out the worst in some of you.

I am very proud of the words I used mainly accommodation and tolerance in my first and second posts. It is part of our culture that I cherish very much and if the rest of Nigerians were brought up with the culture of accommodation and tolerance, Nigeria would not be in the mess it is today. It is the way we treat strangers among us.

This is the reason many have said it in this forum that if a stranger enters Lagos in the morning, he would be fed, clothed and given a place to sleep before the end of the day. Indeed, I find it ironic that a word like accommodation has been turned into a four letter word.

My relationship with Igbo was before many of you were born, we loved and cherish one another. I have Igbo god-father, cousins, in-laws, brothers and sisters. Indeed, outside the country it was Nigerian community, not Igbo, Hausa or Yoruba community. I remember fighting to join Atilogun dancers until my Igbo girlfriend begged me to stop and watch my back before they beat me up. I never saw myself different from any Nigerian.

The day Igbo were ordered back home before the war started, we all cried as children. Actually many of our parents supported Okujwu until he went too far. When he came back, Lagos was at a standstill and we cried and hugged one another again just as soldiers did after they declared the end of the war. I do not have to prove my love of Igbo to children of hate. You cannot blackmail or shame me into a corner because you lack the sincerity it takes.

Some of you are so bold, arrogant and daring, you have lost respect and simple decency for your hosts. The same people that took you in when you lack the economic power to help yourselves. Yes, the same Yoruba that sent you to Lagos and Ibadan to represent them without Igbo votes. So you hate the word accommodation but you never fail to brag that you went from a tenant to landlord. Where? In the old West you called Lagos? Even then, so what?

Which ethnic group can be so daring in the East? You cannot even accommodate or tolerate one another in Enugu State to Imo where you sacked one another from Civil Service. Yet the West is the only place you are fully welcomed until children of hate started abusing anyone and taking their host for granted. Up till today, your parents cannot get their properties back from your close cousins in the old East and you dare not mess with them as you do in the West. No place in Nigeria do you feel comfortable than in the West compared to any where else.

With your attitude, you expect our youths to be as foolish as we were? We were warned then and you have proved them right. That is why accommodation sounds dirty to you.

IPOB only exemplifies your daring attitude until you got everyone fed up and you were given quit notice. You turned the Igbo that have worked hard all their lives in other places against you.

Out of hypocrisy, you throw scorn and hate at Yoruba for supporting the North for the first time since Independence. Exactly the same thing you have done since Independence. If Yoruba are now Hausa slaves as you claim, what were you since 1960?

Yoruba voted for Jonathan and you dominated his government, Yoruba voted against him and he lost. You wanna die for that? Didn't you claim Yoruba votes do not matter?

Awolowo gave Executive Prime Minister to Zik on a silver platter, he rejected it and form coalition with Hausa!

Our youths are raised in the same corrupt Nigeria as you, where everyone is for himself and you expect them to roll the carpet for you again? So that they can be as accommodating as their parents? What did it get their parents? Children of hate.

Your parents need to call you to order. Find out how they got Yoruba always on their side, because you have lost it.

I am sorry and sincerely apologize if this topic I created resulted in unintended consequences.

Since when has the word accommodation become a bad word?

It is the way we were raised, to be tolerant and accommodating. We elected Igbo to Lagos and Ibadan. We took Igbo into our homes and employed them when Igbo lacked the economic capacity to.

Igbo were so hard working, Yoruba business man would employ them before Yoruba and even rent to them before Yoruba.

How old are these hate mongers?

BTW, who actually pay taxes in Nigeria? You talk about your taxes as if you live in Europe or America.

So accommodation is a bad word? Please spread accommodation and tolerance around, we may have a better country.

It took a while but Yoruba youths have started paying Igbo Youths back in their own coin.

This may be strange to those of us that came of age before both youths. The days of accommodation is gone, pity!

Caseless:
True to the title.

So I thought my broda.

See what I see?

STATE OF ORIGIN: DOUBLE DIP CAUSES RESENTMENT

We have to find ways to reduce resentments that have nearly reached a combustible stage. Creation of states is to give most groups a say in running their own affairs. Unfortunately, people still cry marginalization if northern part of that state is getting a bigger pie than the central or the southern part. In order to relieve most of these resentments, more states were created. Some of these states are not only unviable, they are glorified local governments.

People have metamorphosized from accommodation to tolerance and finally to resentment if they cannot enjoy opportunities meant for indigenes in their part of the state. It becomes even worse, no matter how small the state, if the resources from their area is used to cater for other areas while they feel neglected. In the case of resource rich areas, it has led to some calling for complete separation if successive governments, even if headed by their sons, neglected them.

They taught us that if stranger entered Lagos at dusk, he would be clothed, fed and given place to sleep before dawn. Nigeria and Ghana have rifts. It is more pronounced in Nigeria where it led to Nigeria/Biafra war. One would think that most Africans would have learnt a lesson or two from one another. Unfortunately, we have not. Separatist agitators are now making careers out of calls for separate countries even when they cannot support themselves internally.

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/260687/state-of-origin-double-dip-causes-resentment.html

Double dipped or taking advantages from two or more areas infuriate people generally. This is why laws are made that you cannot get double salaries, pensions or allowances. You have to decide on one or balance your right with privilege in the other state. It is not only inefficient since resources are limited, it is share greed. Ask yourself if it is fair for Bobo to claim two or three scholarships while others fight over only one scholarship from their state.

In the good old days, we had students on two or three scholarships: Federal and two states scholarships while others have none. While some students are going to school full time and working full time, the lucky ones spend their money on posh apartments, cars and girlfriends. They even bragged about what type of work, they would not do, if any, while their classmates were just looking for anything (buru) to survive.
We cannot do without some form of resentment as humans. India went from creating states to creating countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. It turned out that agitation to create more states raised desires for more. States and countries are sometimes created along religious lines and of course along “racial” lines. We may consider Irish as one people; it does not prevent them from being Protestants and Catholics in different countries.

Bini and Yoruba have turned against one another. There is the case of Somalis with the same language and religion but different countries. Indeed, Africans countries have been created according to colonial disposition but even if countries were created according to language or culture, there is doubt that we can have a peaceful country without agitation. South and North Sudan easily come to mind. Civil war still ravaged the newly created country of South Sudan!

The alternative is to pouch on our neighbors in the same country and claim areas and land that are not ours. So we call for rights in two or three states that are not ours. There are different ways to skin a goat or achieving the same goal. If strangers have enough people that gradually settle in different states, they can overwhelm the original settlers and take over. We have seen American Indians become oppressed minority in their own countries in the Americas.

The worst reaction in Africa so far, is the xenophobic attitudes in South Africa. It is so painful and embarrassing that coolers heads and their leaders are at a loss to explain barbaric killings of fellow Africans. The same is true in Northern Nigeria where brothers and sisters were killing one another over foreign religions. In this case, those that promised they would make Nigeria ungovernable country for one political party, later found their own people on the receiving end!

We have to be careful what we wish on our perceived enemies, it may come back and haunt us. Even when we cannot overwhelm a neighboring state in numbers, we can exaggerate or inflate our numbers claiming our contributions exceed that of the state indigenes or that poor people contribute nothing in the community. There are examples of these throughout the world where the rich oppress the poor they exploit to make money. They write law and regulation to benefit themselves. Unfortunately, it has resulted in revolts, riots and butchering of innocent people.

Most of us have to rise up to prevent massacre and unnecessary destruction of lives. Africans youths are becoming desperate because their leaders have failed them. They are either risking their lives across the desert and sea or preying on one another for money. Right now, Africans are victims of international crime syndicates: to enslave one another, for prostitution of their own sisters and as body parts at the international markets. Otherwise they try deceitful stories.

There are also fantastic and fallacious stories revising history to lay claims to land and countries that do not belong to them. They have left scientists, historians and archeologists scratching their heads trying to cope with malicious revisions. In the process of justifying their claims, they ignore scientific and genetic evidences claiming they came from the new world to the old world of Africa. This is for no other reason than to claim affinities with recognized or richer countries.

Consequently, neighbors that had gotten along with and married one another are now at one another’s throat. Urhobo, Ijaw, Itsekiri children were crying in Niger Delta: my people are killing my people! Enugu Igbo civil servants threw out Igbo that are not indigene of their state. The same is true of many states. If you do not know where you are going, you know where you are coming from. So how can we blame sons of the soil for protecting the only place they know?

No place are all these factors displayed than Lagos. Ashipa has been silent as the compromised first king of Lagos after a truce between Lagos and Bini came to a standstill in Isale Eko history. Every section of Lagos has its own Oba and chiefs: from Aromire, Onikoyi, Olumegbon, Ojora (my dad’s mother), Suenu, Onitana etc. were all children of Ogufuminire. Those that cannot differentiate each uniqueness lump Lagos Island, Brazilian Quarters, Ikoyi, Victoria Island, Iddo, Ijora Ebute-Meta, Surulere, Shomolu, Ikeja Ajegunle etc. together with old Western Region as Lagos State. If you own houses anywhere or leased land for 99 years; you own Lagos? Haba!

For full disclosure: my paternal family compound has been raised to three story building at the corner of Enu Owa and Iduganran right in front of Oba Eko palace. Like most Lagos Awori, I have no kinship with Bini as Oba Eko whose maternal side was Erelu Kuti daughter of Akinsemoyin that married Alagba from Ilesha. Kuti’s mother was Awori descendant of Ashipa; of the Aromire family. Ashipa was rewarded with the first King of Lagos as compromise in gratitude for carrying the fallen Bini Prince back home. Ashipa was the father of Ado, the second king of Lagos.

Farouk Martins Aresa

[url]Source:[/url]

One of the reasons Nigeria cannot move forward is because of people like you guys. Denials, hypocrisy, ultra conservatives that are highly religious like 83% of Christian regular church goers that voted for Trump in America. You cherish the days the Hausa States were capture by Fulani but not when Hausa sons were ruling great African Empire as the author pointed out.

One of you even claimed Hausa never killed their own brothers and sisters because they are kaferi. Ask their relatives and good Hausa as they were asked to disembark from buses traveling in the North and they disappeared forever. These are their families in Nigeria obeying Fulani doctrine of foreign religion. And you do not know why they are still backward?

Mention one people that have depended on religion and not destroyed themselves sooner or later. From Israel to their Arab brothers, children of Abraham.

So tithes are those collected monthly and yearly, not those collected weakly and daily?

NOETHNICITY:
the post is fraught with contradictory assertions and lacks clear direction and agenda.

Unfortunately, half-educated bigots like edcure,intellectually rendered dumb due to his obsessive hate for Islam, lack the ability to see this only for him to rush into conclusion and hip praises on the write up.

Gbamest ... Couldn't have put it better

Historyworld030,

Those that cannot make logical argument throw insults. Please make your point.

The Oba you referred to started this recent confusion in his book. If you read that book, you would have known he was fluent in Yoruba.

He translated Ile ibinu in Yoruba. He stated his Yoruba title and name. He never disputed his Yoruba kin only threw monkey wrench with Oduduwa as Ikanlederan.

Ask yourself if that is the same Adumu Ijaw know as Oduduwa, or Itskiri, Urhobo, Dahomey or Benin Republic, Ghana, Sierra Leone, Cuba, Haiti, Brazil etc know.

Who heard about the new Edo translation of Oduduwa in history?

Radio carbon dating may not be perfect, combined with other evidence, it's still the only tool we have.

We used to think only the heads of Oba of Benin was buried in Ife, until that of Ogiso was dug up and the dates preceded that of Oba of Benin.

This can be understood from Ijaw history that call or know Oduduwa as Adimu. This was well before Benin Oranmiyan.

Chances are Ijaw left Ife before Oranmiyan.

Iwo Eleru dated to 10,000 before Christ may give us more evidence if more research is undertaken.

Very interesting thread I must say. You all played your parts well.

Point of correction or note:

1. There are more than seven Ife - Professor Wande Abimbola: the seven sites of Ife mentioned by Ifa are Ife Oodaye, the first and possibly the original one, Ife Nleere, Ife Ooyelagbomoro, Ife Wara, Otu Ife, Ife Oore and Ife Oojo.

External threats made Ife moved to the present location. The fact that they brought their archaeological history dating back before the present Ife with them, does not mean Ife remained on the same site. Prof. Ade Obayemi also made this point.

2. Oduduwa was well known before Islam and Christianity or Jesus and Mohamed. If he was actually the rival of Obatala, Yoruba that is closer to the origin of man is older than Middle East. Omo-Awolowo does not mean you are the son of Awo. Omo-Oduduwa does not mean Okanbi or even Oranmiyan was the direct son of Oduduwa. Oduduwa could not have lived for centuries!

3. Omo-Igbo was right in comparing Ooni with the Pope and Alafin with the Emperor or all the Kings protecting Ooni. Alafin jealously prospected the cradle of Yoruba civilization and culture. Ooni has no Army but Oranmiyan.

4. Iwo Eleru where Yoruba artifacts were discovered is more than 10,000 B.C. Ife could have passed through it during relocation

5. Nigerians must stop relating to Egypt and Israel as their ancestors. It unscientific since the birth of man is in Africa, it is degrading because you want to claim people that made something out of themselves as if you have no history.

6. Rely on mythical history because they are trying to tell you something but only if and if they are supported by scientific evidence. Otherwise you will become a laughing stock. The story of Adam and Eve is the greatest joke of all, yet Christians and Muslims believe it as gospel truth.