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davidylan:
Arguing with mazaje is an exercise in futility.

mazaje is a legend in making unprovable and baseless claims. . . .he is also the most talented in running round in circles.

@ Olabs

I STRONGLY disagree with ur last 5 posts. . .even though I consider them as spamming.

1. Your claim of allah recording the creation in the kelam prescribed in tablets and later revealed as the injil, torah and koran is false, malicious, fraudulent, misinforming and subsequently unacceptable. . . . .for the following reasons

a. Allah personally does not know the number of days it took him to create the earth. first he said 6 days, he then said 8 and finally lied and said 10 days.
If allah indeed created the earth, he should know how long it took him to make it. . . . .he should not have a problem stating the figures.

b. if allah recorded his creation and word in the tablets of kelam as u claimed. . . . . .and allah also claimed that the bible is corrupt, then allah should not have a problem producing the original bible?, . . . .there should be at least ONE original version left?. . .if there is none, what stops allah from descending another copy of the initial bible he revealed?
why cant allah just produce his original version?

c. if allah was the one who revealed the koran. . . . why did he give 5 versions of the koran to mohammed? or rather, why are there 5 versions of the koran? did allah reveal all the 5 versions in arabic? why was the koran not written until 300 years after the death of mohammed? why the delay, since allah has already revealed the book to mohammed?

u falsely claim that allah revealed the koran within a period of 23 years to mohammed. . . . . .then u claim again that allah sent jubril to give mohammed a book(koran) to read. . . .one must be false. . . .which of them is true?

d. since allah revealed the injil and torah. . . why does he then ask that u kill the christians and jews who follow the book of allah?

and lots more. . . . I await ur answers.

mazaje . . .what is science?

mazaje:
If you can demonstrate to me that what you believ in is true and not some empty platitude then I will believe in it. . I believe in science. . because scientist have been able to demonstrate that some of their assertions are not empty platitudes. . .

This is a awkward statement. what do u understand by science?
This is the height of intellectual laziness.

olabowale:
@KunleOshob: « #132 on: Today at 04:50:02 PM »
Quote from: olabowale on Today at 02:43:16 PM
[b]I wanted to know if Yahweh, or Jehovah or Eloi was ever used by any people, before Abram left your? [/b]To my surprise no one is addressing that, except in the bigDictionaries, they just sprang to Bible verses, as if that was the very first it was used, and how was the first person who used it in the Bible informed of this? This issue was not addressed, yet wikipedia has the time to tell us about the pagan arabs, bur fails to tell us about the pagan hebrew whose community Abram settled in and adopted their hebrew language as his own!

ur concerns have been addressed. The verses that reveal the name of God have been analysed. And dont forget this thread is all about u selling islam and not about christianity.

But in the Quran, Angel Gabreil (AS) told Muhammad the name of the Creator as Allah.

why should anyone believe this lie?
the same angel gabriel u claimed gave mohammed the koran. . . . only for us to find out that the koran was never written until 300 years after mohammed had died and that the koran has 5 versions. . . .did angel gabriel reveal 5 versions to mohammed?

Please give me your earlest Biblical usage and I know that you cant explain the earliest usage of Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi, English word (God) better without going to the Bible, especially the OT, since it came before the NT used by Christians, and the Jews dont recognize it!

There is no book of revelation from God that preceded the torah/bible as we know it today. . .so what EXACTLY are u talking about?

When you give me your earliest Biblical usage, I will better it or at least match it directly. Let me say this to you, I will show you that Allah Himself spoke to the Angels, saying He intends to create "Viceroy/An Ambassador" to the earth, meaning the first man (Adam), and He Allah created Iblis/Shaitan before it.


And when I better it, or at least equals it, then whatever you apply in derogative statement to Allah, will apply to Jehovah, Yahweh, Eloi (Based on Jesus saying on the Biblical cross), etc. Deal?

No matter the twists and turns u take. . . .we all know that allah aint the God of the bible, . .simple.

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4542515#msg4542515 date=1252946723]i cant undrrstand why you guys just cant get it. every race on earth has at least a primitive concept of monothesim. God has sent at least 124,00 prophets to people as guidance. the pagan arabs adulterated the monothesim by introducing lesser gods but still maintaining Allah as the supreme creator.
how come the christian arab b4 the time of mohamamed still call thier god Allah. were they moon worshipers too?

one of the first scholars to discuss the idea of moon-god Allah also discussed in parallel the isreals EL as a sun god citing lot of circumstantial evidences like for the case of the moon god. this sun god has an affinity for bull sacrifices. he related this to the voracious appetite for bull of EL in the old testmament.
1 strongly belive this tendecy towards a god with bovine xteristic was what led the isrealites to make the GOLDEN CALF during the time of Moses as an image of EL. lets say for instance a arhcelogist find the remains of such a diety, he would easily proclaim this as 'evidence'
that EL is a bovine god. Am a geologist and i knw how we build 'facts' based on very circumstantial evidence.

what u guys do not realize is that most of the scholars that propose these absurd ideas are atheist and are only trying to discredit the origin of true religion and God. it is quite dissapointing that some so called christians had to climb on this atheistic bandwagon[/quote]there is no iota of fact in the above.

Haksalam:
Sometimes I get amazed by the level of ignorance displayed by some Christians. They derive pleasure abusing Islam- yet they are the ones that complain of blasphemy (I have not noticed a thread where Muslims abuse the Christians as much as the Christians do).
My main reason of creating this thread is to show that the Bible talks about the coming of Muhammad (SAW) against the backdrop of the average Christian’s belief. The Christians paint the holy prophet (SAW) in a bad light. They agree in their wisdom that he is a rioter. It is people like that that prompted George Bernard Shaw to say
“IF A MAN LIKE MUHAMED WERE TO ASSUME THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE MODERN WORLD, HE WOULD SUCCEED IN SOLVING ITS PROBLEMS THAT WOULD BRING THE MUCH NEEDED PEACE AND HAPPINESS”

how will mohammed do that?

KunleOshob:
@Noetic
thanx for this expose i had always assumed that allah was the the same as the abrahamic God, and that differences occured over time through cultural diversity, but now i kow better. There is no way the Almighty God would assume the name of a pagan god.

u welcome.

I think the expose has been repeatedly done by david, osisi, olaadegbu et all. . . .the difference is it all just adds up on this thread.
And let me say that I do enjoy ur sincere analysis . , . . . . , though I might not always agree. . . thanks.

why did u not edit post 111? why did u not summarize posts 99 and 101?. . . . .why did u evade my questions? . . .why? why? why?

sexyLeamon:
lol did he say he wanted to date me? by the way long time no see

yea long time no sawwwww. . . .I never said he wanted to date u. , .or did I?

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4536210#msg4536210 date=1252862652]i have noticed that christians always avoid open face to face debates with muslim because experince has shown them they can never win. if any boDy in the house has any video of a debate that has ever been won by a christian, lets have it. false hood will always perish when truth is hurled on it. . they prefer to hide behind a typewriter and manufacture lies.
on behalf of the muslims in the house we are challenging you guys to an open debate.[/quote]what would an open debate achieve that an online debate cannot?

Abuzola:
You lied, it is you who will be in hell, why not read the next verse, verse 18 says those who believe will be saved and it is you (noetic) that will rest in it forever

those who believe would be saved from hell fire why did allah put them there in the first place? why did allah not just take them to paradise?
allah is a demonic fraud. . , .why put someone in hell to save them later

uplawal:
@Abuzola,i told you his blind init?let him continue ranting as usual,man of grace

have u ever made an intelligent contribution on this forum?
I understand that u love islam because of ur lover boy. . . . .time will tell. . . .when he starts marrying his other wives

@ olabs I have decided to revive this thread for u. . .even though it has been locked by mohammedans. . .check it out : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-280415.0.html

Are there ANY arguments that support atheism?

uplawal:
@noetic, we would all be witness to u on judgement day cos u heard the word(QURAN) and u will wish u had not turn deaf ears

u sound so confused, misled and ignorant.
As far as allah is concerned. . .there is no judgement day. he has decreed u all to hell fire surah 19:71.

It would be too late for u by then. , . I hope u are conscious of ur eternally consequential decision?

uplawal:
@noetic, but ure not blind na,or are u suddenly blind

I am both blind and allergic to allah LIES. . . .can u help me see?

uplawal:
even the w george bush announced the 666 number on youtube,

did allah mention 666 in the koran?

@ olabs

are u going to edit that post?