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Abuzola:
Don't be confused, jesus was a muslim and we are waiting for his second coming soon, he will testify to the world that He is not Allah but rather His slave, he will terminate those who stil worship. How can a man who is born be pure before his maker job 4:17-18

there is no evidence to suggest that Jesus ever knew the arabian idol. . , called allah.

hug

what a thread! abuzola the pedophile

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4550374#msg4550374 date=1253042658]noetic in case you do not understand what i mean by evidence let me give u a simple example

CLAIM-
jesus is God

EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS FALSE-

The Powerless "God"
"I can of mine own self do nothing." (John, 5:30)


A Weak "God":
"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, STRENGTHENING him." (Luke, 22:43)

"The Ignorant God"
”But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark, 13:32)
"And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he (Jesus) was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet." (Mark, 11:12-13)


The not so good “God”
"And behold, one came and said unto him: 'Good master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?'
And he [Jesus] said unto him, 'Why callest thou me good?  There is none good but one, that is God” (Mathew 19:16-17)


The Devil Tempted "God" For 40 Days:
"And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan." (Mark, 1:12-13)

Racist "God":
"The Lion of the tribe of Juda." (Revelation,5:5)
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 15:24)
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles,and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather tothe lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 10:5-6)
"It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs." (Matthew, 15:26)

Noetic this is what is called evidence. I want you or any of your cohorts to prove to me that these verses are not from the bible or they mean something else.

Pls dont try to evade this time agian by insulting me
All i need is a cogent response[/quote]are these ur evidences? I can also see that u are new to nairaland. , . .
if u spend half as much time as u spend on the bible reading ur koran. , u would not come across as so ridiculously ignorant.

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4550089#msg4550089 date=1253039321]noetic, i think Olabs is letting you off to easy by bothering to answer your questions without u giving any evidence for such claims.
in my experience most christians doggedly repeat baseless attacks on islam that were used since medieval times by christian missionaries that knew close to nothing about islam. modern scholarship has debunked all these hilaroius claims as false. i was insisting on your evidence for all those claims for the benefit of all so they dont keep repeating the same jargons without any basis. whenever the muslims in the house make any claims they quote verses in the bible and quran as evidence

olabs has so well answered your question, however your stupidity would have been more obvious and undeniable if you had provided your 'evidence' for all to see[/quote]did u notice that olabs did not deny any of my claims. , . .u need to go to ur imam and get some islamic education. . , so that way ur koranic ignorance and folly would not be widely exposed when u come around

mazaje:
You said it yourself. . . Claims are just claims. . . The koran also submitted its claims and evidence about its own devil. . . .But the FACT remains that all the claims and evidences exist inside the pages of the bible and the koran. . If you have evididence to show that the devil exist outside the pages of the bible pls show me. . .


I do not even find the baseless myth acceptable or unacceptable. . if you have any evidence to show that the mythical satan exist outside the pages of the bible pls let me know. . .

Any tangible evidence to show that your god exist outside the pages of the bible?. . .

1. when are u going to ignorantly keep running round in circles. . . . , u brought satan into this conversation. . , .u made a ridiculous claim about the devil. . . . .so what EXACTLY is the proof, evidence or basis for to back up ur assertion?

2. I am sick of of ur dishonesty. . , . . .I also asserted that the bible presents evidences to back its claim.
IF u have a problem with these evidences. . . let me know. , . dont ask me to show u where it is. . .dont be lazy!!!!

If I did not answer Noetics questions, The Seeker will, if Noetic behaves like a gentleman and a scholar. I know its very hard for a ramboucious arrogant man.

1. how does a gentle man and a scholar behaves? . . . by believing lies?

2. The-seeker is too obviously ignorant. . . . he needs more tutelage from his imam. . .not that u are better or dont lie than him. , . . . , , but u dont live deep in denial like him.

3. when are going to answer my questions?

mazaje:
I am human. . . Pls how exactly does your mythical devil look like. . .Pls can you describe how he looks like to me. . .

when was the last time u read the bible?

mazaje:
I have never claimed that there is any such thing as the mythical devil. . you are the one making the claim so all I am asking you is to provide evidence to show that the devil exist outside your book of myths. . . If the devil truly exist all you will do is show me or provide evidence and shut me up forever but because the devil exist only on the pages of your book of myths and in your deluded imaginations you have to tell me to provide evidence that he does not exist. . I never said that the mythical devil exist. . you did so its up to you to provide evidence outside your deluded imaginations and book of myths to show that he exist. . . That should not be too hard for you to do. . .

ur mental gymnastics and circle marathon is fast becoming boring. . . . . .The bible has submitted its claims and position/evidences on the devil?
do u find them unacceptable? why?. . . . We would gladly oblige u in tearing apart ur FALSE assertions.

it is u who is making a spurious claim and cannot produce evidences.
a. how did the universe come into existence? by whom? when? what was the process involved?
b. where is ur evidence to suggest that God does not exist?

davidylan:
Do YOU have any evidence AT ALL not to talk of evidence that the devil does not exist?

another baseless assertion. what is the difference between u and the devil?

@ olabs

unfortunately I read through that long posts. . .but did not find answers to my questions,

1. why did allah give different figures for the number of days it took to make the earth. why was allah not consistent in stating that he made the earth in 6 days? why did he have to say 8 and 10 days in other chapters of the koran? was allah lying? why should I believe allah made the earth?

2. why did allah not protect the injil or bible? why did allah let it go corrupt? And since it is now corrupt, why cant allah send another copy of the original? is it cos allah is a fraud?

3. u did not explain why allah had to reveal 5 versions of the koran? was jubril stating the verses 5 times, using different tones or what? why are there 5 versions of a text allah sent from paradise?

4. u acknowledged that allah revealed the koran to mohammed over 23 years. . . so is it a lie that jubril gave the koran to mohammed and commanded him to read?
who EXACTLY is lying? is it allah? mohammed? or the muslims?

5.  I still dont understand why allah wants u to kill christians and jews, since he was the one who revealed their injil, bible and torah? do u mind explaining?

GODSON2009:
@noetic
like a couple of people on here,i have started to frequent the religious section to eagerly read what you and the other dude davidlan have posted on here,however i think you let the man off too easy on the previous page where you posed a couple of questions to him,asking him if jesus or the disciples ever killed anyone,check the answers and all he did was either prevaricate or wave them off or answer the questions with questions,
i await more of your insightful and enlightening expose's on islam

thanks.

most readers are already used to olabs style. . . .he is skilfully evasive. . . I believe everyone can make their conclusions.

davidylan:
lol you actually expect him to present well researched evidence for his lies?  

I expect him to run around in circles as usual.

mazaje:
More delusion and empty platitudes. . . . Christ is the way, truth and life to what exactly hypocrisy and lies?. . If you ask the deluded goons to provide evidence for their deluded fantasies and myth they will start crying and complaining. . .

why does ur naive self find it difficult to gasp the evidences behind the gospel?. . . .why do u live in self destructive denial?

mazaje:
Just as we ridicule the FACT that your own religion is built on twisting the jewish text and material and also borrowing for other tradition and philosopies. . . . .You call atheist confused when you guys are more confused to the extent that you can NOT even agree on the basic nature of the imaginary god you all profess to worship. . . deluded and confused people. . .

any instances or evidences?

bawomolo:
could u refresh my memory?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-299040.64.html posts #50 and 66

mazaje:
Allah created the universe PROVE to me that he did not. . .

can u please excuse ur folly. . . . . . .in how many days did allah make the earth?

mazaje:
What are the evidence?. . where is your evidence to show that the bible god created the universe. . . WHERE IS your evidence. . . all you have are claims and claims will not do, every body can make a claim and say his or her god did it to differentiate yours from the others you need to provide evidence,  . did you book of myth not say that your warrior deity once provided evidence for unbelievers at mount sinai?(The Elijah challenge). . . all religious groups claim that their various gods created the universe. . . you are yet to prove to me that the the buddist god did not create the universe. . .You need to provided evidence to show that the buddist god did not create the universe and only your own imaginary deity created the universe. . .

1. there u go again. .   . . .as for evidences go to this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-299040.64.html read posts #50 and #66. . . .  . .there I answered all ur posers. If however u have questions or find it difficult to understand. . . . please let me know.

2. I dont have to prove anything to u about budha. . . . . .if u believe or dont believe in budha. . . tender ur evidences. ur gymnastics and mental games are too predictable.

3. u just explain. . .how EXACTLY did the universa and all that we see come into being?

What are his revelations. . . where you there when he was making the revelations or do you just accept what other men have been telling you WITHOUT ANY evidence at all. . .

did u actually state the above? which of His revelations do u find too big for ur little mind?

I do not know how the universe came about neither do you or all the liars that wrote the bible. . .I say allah created the universe PROVE to me with substantial evidence that allah did not create the universe. . . . .

1. if u dont know how the universe came about. . . . is it not ideal that u pocket ur lack of knowledge?

2. why is the bibke account of the creation false?

jagunlabi:
Can you understand it,noetic?What the poster was, in essence, talking about is TOLERANCE in the face of belief in different religious ideologies.Tolerance.Can you manage that tolerance?

what does tolerance mean? does it include the spurious display of ignorance? or does in include allowing misinformation to pass as a fact? what does tolerance mean?

jagunlabi:
The jews,the chosen people of Jehovah/Yahweh,also reject the lordship and salvation of Jesus.Are they also heading for the "same destination"?Will Yahweh condemn his "chosen" people to eternal hellfire just because they do not believe in jesus?
Will yahweh send all christians into hellfire for not believing and accepting the same beliefs of the "chosen" people?Afterall,Yahweh will be the judge.Who knows,maybe father and son will quarrel on the judgement day on who goes to hell based on what ideologies and who does not.What about allah?Will he allow muslims to be sentenced to eternal damnation by yahweh and his son?Judgement day drama!Book your reservations for the front row seats now!!!
I can't wait.

1. Christ annuled all elements of "chosenness" by His death and resurrection. Only the SAVED are an heir to the throne. IF u reject the Lordship and salvation of Jesus, whether u are a jew, black, green, yellow or white. . . .u are eternal DOOMED

2. There is no where in the old testament where the jews were promised eternal Life. . . . . only Jesus holds that promise.

bawomolo:
abundance of what evidences and proofs?

proofs of God's creationism. . . . .Existence. . .Ontology.

how many do u need?

jagunlabi:
This very description holds true for christians as well.They also fit the bill,perfectly.

No they dont. . . .do u know how many times/often atheist and muslims shift positions on one single issue on this forum?. . .more than a billion times.

JeSoul:
Many of us peddal "religious tolerance" and "unity" but the honest truth is between Christianity & Islam & atheism there can be no compromise - the very foundation of our belief systems are in stark contradiction, direct opposition and are frankly irreconcilable on all levels. The only thing we can all do is while we are being direct and unrelenting and unapologetic about what we believe is to treat each other respectfully and with sincerity. I fancy a good lot of the people on the religion forum - christian, muslim and atheist alike - but make not the mistake of thinking I will ever shy from declaring what the bible teaches, for I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ, it is life and power.

well spoken.

I wonder why the likes mazaje, toneyb, bawomolo, tudor, huxley, banom and their band mates CANNOT understand this simple info.

banom:
Davidylan and Noetic2 always employ the same gambling and and dribbling tactics to make sure they maintain upper hand in a religious debate,

Any instances?

All you are trying to do is to make  Muslims, Atheists and satanist look like they are the same, while in actual sense, they are not,

is there any reason to believe that they are not? If u deny the Lordship and salvation of Jesus. . .regardless of what u call urselves. . . . .u all are the same and are heading to the same destination.

You have to understand this,

If three different persons are asked to  say the color of red, if the three persons sees it as red, they will call  it red, it is very much likely that the very reason that made an atheist to reject christinanity, will be the same that made a muslim and satanist to reject it as well,

For instance  , if i reject christian teachings on the ground that i dont believe Jesus is the son of God, and decide to become an atheist, a muslim and satanist may use the same reason to reject christianity as well.

you all are one and the same. . . .u simply reject the Lordship and salvation of Jesus? why do u need distinction. . . , . .?

Besides your arguements are contradicting each other,
Example,
No 9,  All Religions Are valid. .

There is no possible way an atheist, a Muslim and a Satanist can agree on the statement above,

An Atheist says Non of them is Valid,

A muslim says Only Islam is the valid one,

A satanist says none is valid,
So how can you reconcile their different stands above with your claim of being the same ?

The premise of the three statements above is to water down the Lordship of Jesus. . .as such they are the same but using different brand names. . . . . .anti-christ products.

@ OP

That was a rich analysis and so true.

But u failed to add that they (muslims and atheists) live in constant denial and change position very often . . . based on the simple fact that their lies cannot hold. They come across as helplessly ignorant and misinformed.

mazaje:
All the gods of human religion are man made if you have any evidence of any god that was not created by man then bring it on. . .Keep in mind that the universe is just what it is and is not an evidence for any man made god. . .

1. these are the lies u tell urself daily to make urself feel better. by rejecting abundance of evidences and proofs based on ur deeply flawed world view and orientation.

2. is Jehovah man made? how? Are His revelations man made?

3.   how is the universe what it is? do u know how many times I have asked to explain this ur LIE? how did the universe and all that we see come into being?
please offer a rational explanation. . . . . .what a joke  

bilms:
@ noetic, what your business with my post? do i ask u ,

whats ur business with my response? are u the only one reading?

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4547762#msg4547762 date=1253021219]i am not the judge in this forum. if they are not lies, pls provide your evidence for all to see?
that way i wont be able to deny it even if i wanted to.
why are you being so evasive[/quote]can u please shut uo and wait for olabs?

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4547530#msg4547530 date=1253019172]whenever u cant provide an answer u resort to insults. all i asked u for is evidence for your lies
pls stop being evasive.[/quote]1. u asked for evidence, thats ok and normal and I would have been glad to oblige u. . . . .but u FALSELY claimed that my comments are lies.
by calling them lies, u have come to a conclusion. . . and since u do not know what the koran says about my points. . . I can safely assert that ur position is based on ridiculously impotent IGNORANCE. if they are lies. . .whats the truth? can u tender the truth from the koran? how much of the koran do u know?

2. what am I evading? except for jejune assertions of yours and ur ridiculously uninspiring drivel? what would I be evading?

3. why are u debating online? since u called for an open debate, where u can provoke violence just as mohammed and allah taught u?

4. have u ever made any post with sense in ur nairaland life?

bilms:
i did nt copy and paste from d net, all i did from d net was to get a link of zakat calculation where people can easily calculate their zakat,

ur post was misinterpreted to be anti-islam. . .I am sure it would be restored, once it is confirmed to be pro-islam.

Deep Sight:
Yes, so please lets return to the topic:

Cardinal Question: If there are extra-terrestial beings, do they need to accept Jesus inorder to be saved as well?

If not, then why should local aliens (non-christian ethnicities e.g chinese, indians, aborigenes) have to accept Jesus?

ur questions do not add up.

Jesus came for the salvation of mankind. . . . , do your "local aliens" not constitute part of this mankind?

[quote author=the_seeker link=topic=321215.msg4547092#msg4547092 date=1253015672]Noetic you do not need to resort to lies to make your arguement

a. pls give your refernce in the quran for 6, 8 and ten days

b. Allah does not need to send an original injeel, the Quran is correction of the bible plus new revealtion for the whole of humanity(not just for isrealites as in case of ther bible)

c. where did you get this from? pls provide evidence?

d. pls cite any verse in the Quran where Allah says we should kill jews and christians.

if you can provide answers then we can continue from there[/quote]what a violent empty empty head

Notable nairaland muslims do not engage in denials. . .they come up with lies to rationalise all the faults of allah, . , . . wait till olabs comes.
if olabs denies my posts, then I will produce evidences.
I simply refuse to oblige cos u have earlier constituted a nuisance on this thread. . .wait till ur master olabs comes.