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Neptunz:
Islam is a religion of peace $ the only acceptable religion before God whether anybody likes it or not.It is a pure religion given by God to Prophet Muhammad{S.A.W}.Unlikely other religion that were formed by human e.g Judaism,Budhaism,Christainity etc,Islam stood out among all.No matter how this perfect religion is being tarnished with terrorism,suicide bombing or Al-Qaeda,it will continue to grow because it's not a man-made stuff, That's why all muslims are one i.e they pray together,go for Hajj in Mecca in respective of race,colour,social background,financial status,political status be u president,governor or a common man, They come together to form the largest congregation that any other religion can never beat, Perhaps God has said it all in the Quran that He will be the one to take care of His religion which He will continu to do till the last day.No matter the conspiracy by Jews $ Christains to rubbish Islam,Allah himself will continue to defend His religion by Himself, Surely,I seek refuge from devil & his agent, Ma salam

before who? Bible God or allah?

ashewo

charming and cool

muhsin:
I didn't.

with due respect. . . .I was addressing shariaman there.

I find this thread very hilarious. . . . . dont know why

where is abuzola?

Chrisbenogor:
@Abuzola and Aremugangan
Did your prophet really sleep with a nine year old girl?

mazaje:
Where is davidylan's evidence to show that Moses wrote the book of genesis?

thats not what this thread is about.

why not open a new thread to educate us on atheism and naturalism?

1. I started this thread by commending the fact that like every one else u are also entitled to ur opinion. So with regards to ur position on the authority of the bible, I do not find it interesting. I have gone through several theoretical concepts about possible explanations to the bible in the form of books and documentaries. Some of the theories being postulated include.

a. Jesus lived and died. . . . but did not resurrect.  
b. There is no record of Jesus ever existing. . . .he is a fictional character.
c. The shroud (garment) of Jesus has been found . . . . .oh! NO! it cannot be His garment
d. Jesus was Hindi . . . .He learnt from Buddhist monks
e. He married mary madgalene
f. The bible was written by barbaric tribes men. . . . or even the amunaki's and white masters to control the world population.
g. Jesus is the abdicated son of Julio ceaser and Cleopatra, who attempted to recapture His father's kingdom.

This theories have been postulated by several different groups of people. I have taken my time to analyse, study and read each of this theories. They all have one thing in common. . . .they are very inconsistent in their postulations. They make ambiguous and sarcastic claims that cannot stand the test of intellectual or logical scrutiny. The most annoying part is that I spent my hard earned money to actually buy some of these books.

My point  is . . . . I accept the bible as absolute authority on all matters. There has been no plausible explanation to any of the anti-biblical stories and theories. If and when such does arise. . . .I am intelligent enough to analyse such.


2. By creating the world and its inhabitants God left us undeniable evidence. Note that the following statements are very different.

a. credibility of an evidence
b. acceptance of an evidence
c. belief in an evidence.

# There is a huge difference between the credibility, acceptance or belief in an evidence. God definitely made the inhabitants of the world. He also told them to be fruitful and multiply. This decree is today biologically defined as reproduction. A man and a woman reproduce a baby. so also do lions and lionesses, tigers and tigresses. I make this deduction from the knowledge of science available in this century.

This is a credible evidence for creationism. you and I are products of a reproductive process explainable only by creationism. The issue is not the acceptance of this evidence or a belief in it?. . . .The issue remains that this evidence is reconcilable with the proclamations of God in Genesis. God is mentioned here because He is the subject of creationism.

is this evidence acceptable?

Based on the knowledge we have about reproduction. . . .we have no doubt about the process involved.
One thing is certain. .  .and it is the fact that all those alive today and within the recorded scope of history that we know of as humans were born by virtue of reproduction. from the BC years to the present age. . . . .all were born or rather reproduced.

The reproduction process of all living animals and also humans have been extensively analysed. The creationism concept of "be fruitful and multiply" is ontologically reconcilable to reproduction as buttressed by the conception of Cain and Abel as recorded in the bible.

I am of the opinion that reproduction as we know it today is an acceptable evidence for creationism.

is this evidence believable?
There is no intellectual or scientific knowledge that suggests otherwise. This is not a question of faith. It is visible to all that just as the bible proclaims we all are still reproducing today.

questions might be raised about the believe-ability of the creationism concept of the formation of pioneer man and animals. The fact remains that since the resultant process of reproduction is reconcilable to the decrees made by God. . . .and since this reproduction concept is not synonymous to any other concept. . . . it is easy to as such believe that God indeed create Adam and other pioneer animals out of almost nothing.

# Modern agricultural practices as deducible from knowledge tells us that the soil has to be tilled, an active photosynthetic process, the plants watered or irrigated before plants could grow. The bible establishes this fact,  ,   .via creationism, ages before this knowledge was sacrosanct.

verses 5 and 6 of genesis 2 gives explicit explanation as to how this processes took place and how we had our first rainfall.

is this evidence acceptable?

Science has since acknowledged the essence of photosynthesis and rainfall in the life of plants. This acknowledgement does not dispute the creationist account. This process as advocated by creationism is repeatable, observable and reproducible in millions of farm lands all over the world.

This evidence for creationism is scientifically, logically and intellectually acceptable.

is this evidence believable?

u should only disbelieve if u have any other explanation for the source and process of food we do consume.

3. Evolution is anything but scientific. I asked u to define science: this was ur definition:

Krayola:
A systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

Lets analyse ur definition

a. was this genetic changes in population observed in real life scenarios without the need for guesses and assumptions? by who?
b. how credible is the means of identification?
c. are these genetic changes experimentable? where have they been experimented? are they repeatable?

The major flaw of evolution is its inability to explain the pioneer formation and conceptualisation of life as we see it today under the verifiable microscopic knowledge we have now.


To be continued.

shariaman:
@neotic
my my, he's red hot dont u think
just give me a biblical verse and prove me wrong
note neotic or is it poetic justice
u have to be just
people ask for evidence when the story or claim that is heard is being contemplated to be true(i hope this is your status)
so they need a little bit of proof from the claimant to accertain if his claims are true or otherwise
well your request is not new
when the people of God bought messages fromthe most high
the people  requested proof from them to back up their claim

What EXACTLY are u ranting about?

and they were given miracles, so
as regards quranic verses then here we are:

Ayah 136: Surah Al-Baqarah
We believe in God, and in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, and that which has been bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and ,their descendants, and that which has been vouchsafed to Moses and Jesus; and that which has been vouchsafed to all the [other] prophets by their Sustainer: we make no distinction between any of them. And it is unto Him that we surrender our will as muslims."
Ayah 133: Surah Al-Baqarah
Nay, but you [yourselves, O children of Israel,] bear witness that when death was approaching Jacob, he said unto his sons: "Whom will you worship after I am gone?" They answered: "We will worship thy God, the God of thy forefathers Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, the One God; and unto Him we surrender ours will as muslims."
Ayah 132: Surah Al-Baqarah
And this very thing did Abraham bequeath unto his children, and [so did] Jacob: "O my children! Behold, God has granted you the purest faith; so do not allow death to overtake you unless you have surrendered yourselves unto Him as muslims

you have not said anything new. I know allah to be a blood-thirsty demon. so what else?

as regards killing non belivers

then check your bible where

the king of peace ordered
Luke 22:36

He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

to do what with swords


and also
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke 12:49-53)


If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26)

And the related Gospel of Thomas 16 (non-canonical) (SV) reads:

"Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."

How many people did Jesus kill before He died?

"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"

Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:17-18)"


The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children, "

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man, Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.



The Story of King Ahab is told in three books of the Bible. These are 1 Kings, 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles. These are books that your Sunday school teacher will not recommend that you read. Here is the story of what happened to the 70 sons of King Ahab, as told in 2 Kings 10:6-11:
"6 Then he [King Jehu] wrote a letter the second time to them saying, If ye be mine, and if ye will hearken unto my voice, take ye the heads of the men your master's sons, and come to me to Jezreel by tomorrow this time. Now, the king's sons, being seventy persons, were with the great men of the city, which brought them up.
"7 And it came to pass, when the letter came to them, that they took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel.
"8 And there came a messenger, and he told him saying, They have brought the heads of the king's sons. And he said lay them in two heaps at the entering in of the gate until the morning.
"9 And it came to pass in the morning that he went out, and stood, and said to all the people, Ye be righteous: Behold I conspired against my master and slew him, but who slew all these?
"10 Know now that there shall fall to the earth nothing but the word of the LORD, which the Lord spake concerning the house of Ahab: For the Lord hath done which he spake by his servant Elijah.
"11 So Jehu slew all that remained of the house of Ahab in Jezreel, and all his great men, and his kinfolk, and his priests, until he left him none remaining."
Inspiring, isn't it. Perhaps you should ask your Sunday school teacher to read this to the class next Sunday. See if she does. See if she even knows about this passage in the Bible. (Most Sunday school teachers have never read it.)


hope this is enough

and lastly do not go to this site if you cant with stand the site of blood and massacre

that the present civilized people are perpetuating in the name of the crusade
http://www.awitness.org/journal/holy_war_jihad_bible.html

This are OT days. . .I believe I have addressed this on several threads.

please can u stop embarrassing allah? we all know him already.

sweetpie23:
that guy who keep posting on she has only one pant topic annoying as hell

what? who?

shariaman:
dadde
we believe you 2 b a rational being
check wikipedia

Allah=God

go to google translate
translate from english to arabic and
type in God it gives you الله
(Allah)

what s the deception you are talking about

the Quran is filled with names and praises of the personalilties mentioned by me above
saying they were all loyal servants of the most high doing the will of God(Allah)
God is the diety that created everything
the Arabs call him Allah
the yorubas call him olohun
the hausas call him ubangidi
the ibos call him chineke
the english call him God
the hebrews call him eloi or elohim
Armorian, Teuti

Assyrian, Eleah

Celtic, Diu

Chaldaic, Eilah

Cretan, Thios

Chinese, Prussa

Coromandel, Brama

Danish, Gut

Dutch, Godt

Egyptian (old), Teut

Egyptian (modern), Teun

English, God

Finch, Jumala

Flemish, Goed

French, Dieu

German, Gott

German (old), Diet

Greek, Theos

Gallic, Diu

Hebrew, Elohim, Eloha

Hindoostanee, Rain

Japanese, Goezur

Irish, Dia

Italian, Dio

Language Name of God

Madagascar, , Zannar

Malay, Alla

Norwegian, Gud

Latin, Deus

Low Latin, Diex

Low Breton, Done

Lapp , , Jubinal

Olalu Tongue, Deu

Old Saxon, God

Peruvian, Puchecammae

Persian, Sire

Pannonian, Istu

Polish, Bog

Pollacca, Bung

Portuguese, Debs

Provencal, Diou

Runic, , As

Russian, Bojh

Spanish, Dios

Swedish, Gut

Slav, Buch

Swiss, Gott

Syriac, Allah

Tartar, Magatal

Turkish, Allah

Zemblain, Fetizo


should i go on,

the name allah is a linguistic connotation of the GOD we all know.

but here I am asking for the koran allah
the blood thirsty idol of arabia, who was worshipped by mohammed's father.
the allah with a wife called allat and 3 daughters.

she is still a sweet naija chinko

I will respond soon.

shariaman:
first of all who is a muslim
a muslim is anyone who submits to the will of God

The type of illiterates that islam breeds makes u wonder at times, if mohammed was so deceived

which God or god are u talking about? is it the moon idol god called allah?
what happened to his wife allat and 3 kids? why should anyone submit to the blood sucking demon called allah, who decreed the killing of all non-muslims?

so amongst mankind Adam was the first muslim also note
all the prophets where also muslims ie from noah to abraham to jesus to mohammed

where was adams mat? what mosque did he pray in? how did he receive his revelation from allah?
why did allah not tell other prophets to kill non-muslims? why was this demonic commandment issued to mohammed alone? why do none of the OT prophets have no book in the koran?

The truth is that allah is a plagiarist, fraud and maladroit. He plagiarised christianity and commanded his unfortunate followers to kill, steal and deystroy defenceless people. Allah is a fraud.

all were muslims because all submitted to the will of God.

God yes, allah NO. muslim NO. where is ur evidence even from the koran?

yes jesus was and is a muslim just like mohammed
he preached for the will of God be done on earth as it is in the heavens
and that is islam. submitting to the will of God.

God we know, allah we dont.
Jesus told us that mohammed is a false prophet, we should beware of (mathew 24)
Jesus also told us allah is a thief who comes to steal kill and deystroy defenceless people (JOHN 10:10)

never in the bible did jesus call us to be christians
there is no verse in the bible that states that jesus says one should become christian
or jesus calling to christianity.

stop disgracing allah. u have no understanding of Christianity.

Abuzola:
Nothing like multitude virgin, you nut

so how many virgins do u get?

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=297632.msg4220456#msg4220456 date=1248123527]Quite the contrary i think most atheists here on NL know exactly what they're talking about. You can't be an atheist coz you wanna tag along its IMPOSSIBLE.

Conversion to atheism is not just a one day affair, in most cases it takes years of thought, analysis and self searching. Imagine having to come to terms with the fact that what you've been taught and believed all your life has been one BIG LIE a MYTH concorted by land stealing desert tribesmen. The fear of this realisation and the unwillingness to bravely face up to this fact is what keeps people in the bondage of christianity.

I don't think anyone would just disregard the very foundation of his life for just social frolicking or "tag" along like you put it. You'd just be as deceiving yourself like the deluded christian, and as they say THERE'S NOTHING MORE PATHETIC THAN SELF-DECEIT. (noetic take note)[/quote]u never cease to amaze me.
u have no evidence to support ur belief/disbelief. . . all u have is faith. and u dare accuse others of self-deceit?

Abuzola:
Likewise paradise, nothing like 10 talk of 72 virgin

are u denying ur shag-able virgins?

Abuzola:
Incredible, are you saying hadith is a holy book ?. About lewdness, thats islam for you, from sperm to grave Islam has covered it and thats why you hear 'ISLAM IS THE TOTAL WAY OF LIFE'. Unlike ur christianity, church, dancing and clapping in church which never exist in ur bible nor did jesus observe it

why are u denying the haddith? is it because it records mohammed shagging 9 year old aisha?

she wants me for my money. . . . .uhmn I am tinkin twice

Abuzola:
@aremu, christian do not have paradise, their bible said their reward is in heaven, nothing like paradise to them

and also nothing like 72 shag-able virgins

please shut up. . . .thou deluded and retarded troll of allah

and moaned

littleb:
War, War against Christians. Is that not what osisi want to established! Why her post ever full of killing pastors and Christians. Did muslims never lose their brethren in violence too. As you may think right, the same muslims are terrorizing the niger delta, kidnapping and the rest?

who started the killings? did allah not command muslims to kill? is niger-delta a christian war?

please stop lying.

Aremugangan:
@ladyT & noetic2. If you could build a paradise on earth, can you tel us what it will look like?

it definitely would not have a shagging room or 72 shagable virgins

Krayola2:
Thanks. Just before I respond just want to clear something up. U say things like "God said", and "God decreed", would I be correct to assume that u believe Genesis is the literal word of God, and that you accept its authority, over that of evolutionists, based on that assumption.

The bible is the literal word of God.

Also, do u acknowledge that humans are related to the other human-like species whose fossils have been found, or was the man God created Homo-Sapien? I know that Genesis says Adam and Eve had hands and could speak. . .I also know Abel was a shepherd while Cane was a farmer, so I'm assuming they were not primitive beings without language, or any form of culture. Is that the same way u understand Genesis?

Humans are homo-sapiens who have no relationship with any other specie.

I mean do u think the earth is thousands of years old as opposed to billions. I just want to know what ur understanding is so I don't end up trying to refute something that u do not believe in the 1st place.

I believe that there was a gap between Genesis 1verse 1 and verse 2. I have lots of biblical evidences to buttress this fact.
As to how old the earth is, I cannot state because I do know that there was a pre-adam era between genesis 1 v1 and v2. . . .how long this era was, I do not know.

why not?

cool

Abuzola:
Mind you, Abubakar did not object to the age narration by Aisha. Again, do you have hadith on when she was born so that we don't just jump into conclusion on no baby was born by Abubakar when he embraced Islam.

This is true and he also protested mohammed's inaction. but he could not do anything because mohammed would claim to have received another revelation and have him killed.

so olabs. . . what exactly is ur point? why are u desperately trying to deny what mohammed did?

pure water

Moyola:
Oti o! VIPz only!

I wasnt gonna come. . .cos it looks like agbere

Genesis 1 offers a direct analyses of how God made the heaven and earth. with special emphasis of the earth. Genesis 2 offers an analyses of how the creation took place from a human perspective which corroborates modern human scientific knowledge including photosynthesis. . .

between verse 1 and 2 of Genesis 1 is an unknown period of time. this fact is established by several biblical verses.
The bible also gives accounts of what the earth looked like after Gen 1:1 . . . .and also what the earth looked like slightly before verse 2. The number of years between these two verses are not known,  . . .I would delve into that unless required.

As far as creationism is concerned. . . . creation took 7 days.

Day 1. . . .God created light 1.
Day 2. . . .God made the firnament et all.
Day 3. . . .God made plants
Day 4. . . . God made Light 2. . . .that marks seasons and time.
Day 5. . , God made fishes and birds
Day 6. . ,  . God made the animals and Man
Day 7 . . . God created Rest.

God made several assertions. All of this assertions are valid even till today.
1. In verse 3 the light was called Day and the night darkness

Its pretty obvious, there is definitely no need for further analyses. but this type of light created here is unique. here is what the dictionary calls it.
18. spiritual illumination or awareness; enlightenment.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/light

2. In verse 9 He called the dry place land and the water sea

Thats pretty obvious.

3. in verse 16 He decreed that the sun rules at night and the moon at night

Bear in mind that God created a kind of light in verse 14. . .  .this type of light, I have no explanation of. but just like was said by God, we know that
a. the sun rules truly by day
b. the moon rules by night.
c. the sun generates its own light
d. the moon obtains it light from the sun
e. the moon takes much time to travel at night.
f. the traveling and the inability of the moon to generate its own light does not dispute the fact that the moon rules by night.

4. in verse 22 God asked that the animals be fruitful and increase.

This is the only plausible explanation for the reproduction in animals. There is yet no repeatable, scientific, observable, recordable or reproducible analyses, process, theory or evidence to suggest that animals evolve. Neither is there any alternative to re-production (except for cloning). . . .which in essence is what God decreed here.


5. in verse 28 God asked that man be fruitful and multiply.

Reproduction is still the only observable, repeatable, recordable and reproducable evidence for the emergence of humans that we know of. This was exactly what God decreed here, by stating that be fruitful and multiply.

By logical and intellectual analyses of each of this pronouncements from God, these pronouncements are undeniably so even till this day.


It is impossible to lay emphasis and explicit credence of creationism on genesis 1 without analysing genesis 2. Genesis 2 represents human analyses of creationism with emphasis on modern scientific knowledge.
Scientific knowledge including the complexity of the sun, moon, stars, photosyntesis et all.

From genesis 2 we understand that, though God had created all things. . . .they did not appear to us as such.

# There was no plant on the field or tree because there was no man to till the ground and water the fields (Gen 2:4).This corroborates the fact that the sun and the moon had been made. . . there was light.
Modern agricultural process explains that there needs to be some form of photosyntesis and irrigation or watering of plants before plants can grow. Genesis 2 corroborates this.

Abuzola:
I pity you people, we will get to know who shag or cry. Paradise is not all about sex, sex is just part of it

 will u get to shag aisha there in paradise too?