₦airaland Forum

@justwise

I agree. Trafficking human beings for any reason is not only morally wrong but reprehesible as it is slavery described with other words.

Estonia

GDP per capita $19,000
Inflation 4%
Population below poverty line 20%
Unemployment 11%

Romania

GDP per capita $12,000
Inflation 5%
Population below poverty line 12%
Unemployment 7%

Latvia

GDP per capita $11,500
Inflation 3.5%
Population below poverty line unknown
Unemployment 16%

Nigeria

GDP per capita $2,500
Inflation 13%
Population below poverty line 45%
Unemployment 5% (I laugh in Boko Haram)

justwise:
Why was your Nigerian brother running with his little boy then if he was doing legitimate business?

Unfortunately I only watched 3mins of the clip as it is the same old story. Like I said above, if a lady agrees to marry for cash on her own volition under no duress, it is no crime. However if you force a lady from Latvia to marry someone against her will then that is a crime.

A quick question bruv as I think you are in the UK. You may be British by birth, in which case u were just luvky but if you arent British born and now live here legally as a permanent resident or a British citizen, that means you applied for a visa to come here. This question also applies to all other Nigerians that came to the,UK pre HSMP.

When you were filling out your form, you were asked a question if you planned to return to your country after whatever you were going to do was finished. You had to answer yes to get a visa. If we all answered yes to this question, why are there so many of us in the UK? Apart from those who were headhunted before thr end of their courses in uni (negligible number) or maybe by some miracle headhunted while walking along and minding your business on the High street (virtually nobody) the rest of us are guilty of lying during our applicationou (crime)

room702:
people in naija don't even know that there are some part in Europe that is worse than naija, they probably just want to get out i guess.

Bruv! There is no country in Europe (west and east) that is worse than Naija. Lets speak the truth abeg

Kini big deal? How many Emiratis or Kuwatis do you see getting hitched in sham marriages? Answer is 0. And why is that? Because they are better off in their own countries. IMHO, if I meet a Nigerian girl of Irish citezenship and she agrees to marry me for cash, there are no victims and I see nothing to be ashamed of. If life was fair to all, and not the current sitiation where most of the worlds wealth is concentrated in certain countries, there would be no need for sham marriages. In fact, there would be no such thing as immigration departments.

The kind of people I hate the most are those ethnic minorities in western countries who after obtaining their residency papers or perhaps got it by birth from their illegal immigrant parents, start to scream; we are full, there is too much immigration, our high streets have changed e.t.c.

To my Naija peoples, continue doing what you need to survive as long as you are not engaging on crime.

frosbel:
Sorry , this is no disrespect to your Mum, but this is wicked exploitation, plain and simple.

The money is not even enough for food talk less of accommodation.

SMH

I wont go as far to call it that. It is more market forces and lack of government regulations. I have also said to her  to try to 'bless' these guys some more and she told me that the N12,000 is already generous for the kind of work they do. I also shake my head

Luckily for me, I havent had the misfortune of living on N80 a day so I wont be able to break it down.  If u r based in Nigeria and live in the hood, it shouldnt be that difficult for you to find someone to share their experience of poverty with you. If you are abroad, I will oblige you with the phone number of one of my mums workers if he doesnt mind.

Finally when they say Nigerians live on less than $2 a day, it is an indicator, an average e.t.c and not literally N160/ day. I'll like to believe you are educated at least to SS3 so you shouldnt be asking stupid questions about the breakdown of N80/day. If you live abroad, you must have seen charities say things like £2 a day will give Aisha clean drinking water. It doesnt literally mean, Aisha is going to buy £2 worth of pure water everayday, It just means that is a share of an amount required by a certain number of people to construct a borehole or to purify their water. comprehende?

@ Arosa

Violent posted the picture of a guy in a rubbish tip. His name is Vocal Slender. Use Google to search for his contact details and try to get in touch with him to explain how people live on N80 or less per day in Nigeria. Maybe his explanation might open your porous brain to the realities on ground in that God forsaken country.

E-Engineer:
i was watching a tv program once on NTA and a vulcanizer was interviewed, the reporter asked him how much he makes on bad days and to my surprise he said " e[b]hh some days when work no good na just 4,000 naira i dey make[/b]", i couldnt believe my ears

So when he said he makes N4000 a day did he clarify if it was pure profit or total sales?

all of you that believe this theory, pls tell me where u got this statistic from,

What about calculation above of a federal worker on N18000 which equates to $2.6/ day. It may sound like I am making up stories but I have a friend who has a petrol station who pays his attendants N4,000/mnth yes N4,000/mnth and expects them to sort themselves out by doing deals at the pump.

@ violent

Nigerians like to stick their heads in the sand and you the situation in the country bears testament to this attitude. Stick your head in the sand and keep saying e go better. I gave a good example with simple calculation of workers in my mums shop earning N12,000/month which translated to approximately $2.6/day and people are still asking dumb questions like why did I subtract transportation. Money you live on is money available for you to spend on Food, clothing and shelter

@koolking

unfortunately in the business world, there is no room for sentiments. You cant have 2 branches of the same bank on every street. Having recently gone through organisational change myself, you will be suprised that majority of people will rather have people laid off than have their salaries slashed. If you keep on 10 people @ half their previous salary, morale will be completely lost but if you lay of 5 and kep the remaining 5, then the 5 you have kept on remain somewhat happy

@ Arosa

I wouldnt have replied but i just had to becuase of ur dullness

1. I said if. Do you not understand english. 1person on N18k/month is $2.6. Is that any better than $1?

2. So someone earning 18k will borrow another 18k every month. What happens in that month where they have to pay back the 18k they borrowed

3. How now? When you are already doing slave hours for one employer. No such thing as part time job in Naija o

4. No comment. Too dumb.

5. Money yopu live on is disposable income available to spend on food, clothing and shelter

^^^^^^

You lie. What of Timaya

Are the items listed not the tools of trade for fulani/hausa herdsmen and cattle rearers. 'Dane' guns are used by hunters all over the country and the acid is used to bleach hides.

Where have you ever heard that terrorists give in to untrained policemen without a fight?

You wonder if some people went to school.

The minimum wage for Federal and state workers is N18,000. Much less in the private sector. I know this because the labourers in my mums shop collect approximately N12,000/ month for a 60hour, 6 day working week with possible deductions for ''breakages'' ( I do not support this form of slavery but she tells me thats the Nigerian way cos if they could get better they would have left her employment)

N18,000 = $110. If you subtract a quarter for transport, $80 is approximately $2.6/ day. if this is income of a household of 4, do the maths. And like some said. if the employed are living on this, what of the unemployed?

coogar:
there's a huge disconnect between what's written in your constitution and the reality on ground. i expect someone like you to know that.

nigeria is not a secular state. . . .if it is, a certain religious group would not attempt to impose their religious beliefs on 160 million nigerians. can you see such happening in the united states, the united kingdom or the other true secular states? no chance!

in nigeria, the secularity that is supposed to be unbiased and neutral has been severely compromised. there's no secularity in the political institutions and therefore it's unable to produce social capital among the citizenry. the secularism in nigeria is a liability instead of an asset that the constitution describes it to be.

in a nutshell, we are a multi-religious state.
anyone who believes otherwise is deluded.

This I agree with you 100%. We are secular by mouth alone. If laws like the one banning homosexuality are passed based on religious sentiments. I see no reason why some people can not ask to be governed by religious laws.

coogar:
nigeria is not a secular state - it's a multi-religious nation.

You are a joker. The constitution says Nigeria is a secular state where people are free to practise their faiths within the confines of the law without fear of persecution.

frosbel:
Besdies Sharia is an intolerant, backward, stone age system of life.

What !!!

Cutting of hands, beheadings, public beatings etc.

You must be out of your mind.

Just as backward as sentencing a man to death by hanging for stealing a car stereo or maybe a quicker way firing squad. in the US a supposedly tolerant, forward, mordern sysrtem of life, they even use letha injection and sometimes they fry you (electric chair)

Our secular system of government that entrenches corruption where a ''microscopic few who have piloted the affairs of the country live in peasanted luxury and propensit solititude'' and the majority die in poverty. a system which orders its security forces to summarilly execute  people. A system which wipes out whole towns (Odi & Zaki biam). The list goes on.

I do not support sharia and I'll be honest and say I'll be the first to skip town if sharia was implemented where I lived but maybe these BH guys have had enough of secular governments failure and just wish to try something else out. Like I said earlier, there is no such thing as a dumb request in democracy. Nigeria is secular state but remember we passed a law banning homosexuality based on our christian and muslim moral values.

Nigerian politicians still practsing do or die politics. Na by force to serve the people?

coogar:
there's no good/bad terrorists! however, the idealism of a terrorist group should be ethical.

i can understand why mend was against the government. till now, i cannot understand what boko haram want from the government.
what's there to dialogue with this bunch of murderers? mend were against the pollution of their environment plus the fact that government activities on their soil has rendered the people destitute.

what is the federal government doing in the north that is irking boko haram?

I am afraid terrorist and ethical can not go together in the same sentence. Ethical terrorist is an oxymoron.

If MEND was against pollution, why hasnt the pollution stopped? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/dec/22/nigerian-shell-oil-spill) the story in the link tells you about the worst oil spill in Nigeria in over a decade. MEND members were just out to get their own share of the National cake.

BH say they want sharia (sounds reasonable to me) and do not want western education (completely dumb and they have the choice of not sending their wards to western schools). In a democracy, you can ask for anything. It just has to be debated, you cannot reject it outright, no matter how dumb it sounds. I am sure you have heard of people in the west asking for the most ridiculous of man made religions like Jedi to be accepted by the state.

coogar:
except that mend did not bomb mosques or put innocent lives at risk in their own time.
they simply attacked government projects, damaged oil pipes and kidnapped foreign workers(0 casualty).

boko haram have killed men, women and children that are innocent.
there's a difference between the operation of both groups except of course you are a neophyte. . . .

So there are good and bad terrorists? All the MEND armed robbery casualties were soldiers abi? All the people that died in Abuja on independence day were soldiers abi. So soldiers guearing the countrys installatios are not innocent abi?

kpolli:
If I remember well, b4 the army went to kill the Boko haram members, they struck first. . . . pls why did the writer leave this out we are not all dumb

Did you watch the video? the people being murdered by the army in the video on page 1 do not look like BH members to me. Even if they were, when an army uses the same methods as a terrorist group, they become terrorists themselves.

frosbel:
The Palestinians have every right to ask for their land back. But killing civilians is not the solution, let them carry their fight to the soilders, to the UN.

But allow me ask , with your logic, how does this fit into Boko Haram situation, since Boko Haram has not been chased out of any land and are not therefore fighting for land.

it has nothing to do with BH but a lot to do with you seperating terrorists into Good (MEND, Mandela) and bad (BH, Al- Qaeda)

That is your projected implication not mine.

Of course they are terrorists.

Again , did they kill innocent women and children , and do they continue to do so today ?

Good, we are getting somehwere. You are begining to see that there is no such thing as a good terrorist. So if the govt can negotiate with MEND, a known terrorist group, I see no reason why they cant to the same with BH

Sharia for the Muslims ONLY.

In Kano for example there are millions of non-muslims who do not want Sharia, why impose your beliefs on them  

Sharia for Muslims only is fine.

Not everyone in S. Arabia is a muslim but it is an Isamic state. If you smuggle drugs to S.Arabia, you are tried under sharia. If i believed in Shango or some other native god, can I ask the Nigerian government not to impose its western form of government on me? it is imposible as there as to be some form of consensus which is why people try to practise democracy. They have asked for sharia, The government should carry out a referendum and if people say No, then its goodbye sharia but if people say yes, then it is sharia. MEND fought and the oil producing states now get more money. why should they get more money, after all we are ''one'' Nigeria.

coogar:
the only solution is to extinguish the vermins.
you cannot dialogue with extremists - they are unreasonable.

law enforcers in the north know boko haram, they know their camps, the villages harbouring them, their operations.
just go there, arrest the traditional rulers of those villages, raze the village down. . . .like obasanjo did in odi.

boko haram would become history.

Wishfil thinking. Short of using a nuclear bomb, how do you expect the incompetent Nigerian military to achieve this when the mighty US failed woefully in places like Vietnam, Somalia and Afghanistan?

frosbel:
Point 1 : Mandela fought for a JUST Cause.  His people were enslaved in their own LAND.

Point 2. Mandela did not order the killings and masscares of white civilians , ONLY the military were targeted

Point 3. Mandela did not state a list of unreasonable demands for the governemnt to meet

1. are the palestinians fighting a just cause then. since ther land was taken away from then in 1945 and they remain enslaved in their own land?

2. The people that targeted the USS Cole and US military installations in Dhahran, S.Arabia are clearly not terrorists in your book.

3. Whys is it unreasonable to ask for Sharia law in your own land?

frosbel:
Summarily , all terrorists must be tried before a tribunal and jailed for life , if they have shed innocent blood.

Including Nelson Mandela, your hero?

Bigotry is why some people will support Mend terrorism and critisize BH terrorism.

Mandela was labelled a terrorist and infact cordinated the planting of bombs that killed bread winners. But dialogue won in the end. The Americans till date continue to negotiate with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

I am a Xtian by the way who sees everyone as human beings.

Ima Ima:
@norrisman, do they go around telling pple tht they paid their tithes?and even 4 those tht are not xtian,they hv loyalties to some being or god. even in the traditional ways, people took chickens, yam, hot dinks,etc to the gods.but ryt now we cnt fill up d church wit those stuffs now, can we?

if u dont believe, u dont believe. as one person on dis forum said, u cnt use common sense 4 God.

I Know for certain that these 3 guys do not pay tithes. My question is why do you think you are healthy and financially bouyant because you pay tithes when there are millions of people in the world just as healthy and wealthyas you who do not pay tithes. Your reference to other religions having some gods kind of makes me think you are not a strong Xtian because what I deduce you are saying with that statement is that those people are healty and wealthy cause they are giving some form of tithes or offering to their gods. Does that mean you beleiev in the existence of some other powerful gods?

Whatever happened to thou shalt have no other gods

Acidosis:
stop acting like you dont understand christian principle. if you dont pay tithe, the bible call you ole, thief, robber, and you know what hell would gladly welcome you. If Bill gates give his whole worth and he refuses to accept christ, then m sorry. The kingdom of GOD is not by charity.
why do you think God releases the same rain that falls on every human?
let me tell you, bill gates, buffets tithes to any church is not accepted b4 God except they accept JESUS.

AGAIN STOP USING COMMON SENSE, it will fail you.

You are a fanatic. if God did not want us to use our intellect (common sense), why did he give it to us? Point me to the passage in the Bible where it says that We should use our intellect but not when it comes to things concening the church and bible. When your wife wants to give birth, do not go to the hospital okay, just sit at home and be expecting hebrew birth since you ask us not to use our 'common sense'

Acidosis:
stop deceiving yourself, you wanna use common sense. Now you're forgetting that the sameGod that gave you a brain asked you to bring your tithe to his house. Pay your tithe to your church, and leave the decision to the pastor as to what he wants to do with it. You can always give orphanage homes as a seed that is sure to yield some fruits for you here on earth

Scenario: I am a business man and I am always away from home. Up to 42 Sundays a year so I am not a memebr of a church. I just go to any church I can find in the cities business takes me to. Will God punish me with hell fire for using my 10% tithe money to buy essentials for an orphangae run by a churchin a random city?

Ima Ima:
some pple pay tithes for d wrong reasons and wit a wrong mindset.its better not to pay it if u dont really believe in it.

with tithing, the devourer is rebuked 4 ur sake.tht means things like sickness and unnecessary bills dont come ur way. i bliv in tithing and bliv it or not, i hardly fall sick and beyond my salary, i get legit money from angles dt i cant imagine.

in my church, we do a LOT for d less privileged bt my pastor doesnt bliv in broadcasting it. last year, we bought foodstuffs clothes and things for pple in south sudan tht jst separated. provided electricity and bought a big gen 4 an orphange there. shared things for pple n evangelists there.

and durin xmas, we bought complete xmas clothes n shoes 4 d children in d orphanage. some churches do stuff.dont stand from afar and judge

Your church is indeed a good church if as you say all monies received is been spent judiciously on projects like the ones you listed and not being kept in intrest bearing accounts and for the pastor to be stupendously rich.

I understand you do not fall sick and you get money from other areas. Why do you think this is happening just because you pay tithes? Do they pay tithes in Dubai? why are they so rich and have better life expentancy than Nigerians. Do Bill Gates, warren Buffet and Carlso Slim pay tithes? In fact i just read in the papers this morning that Bill Gates is giving another $750million to help in the work against fighting the scourge of AIDS.Why isnt there a known tither in the top 10 richest men in the world?