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hammerD:
I have always suspected that Igbo people had links to modern day Edo States.

I believe i mentioned dat here, wen refering to Ebira language being similar in sound to Igbo and wondered if Igbo split into two group with one coming from the west of Kogi and Edo to settle in Delta North and the other coming from the East to settle in present day Umueri.


Evidently, Enugu people celebrate igodo festival and the founder of Ndiigbo is called Eri.


I recently discovered that the first ever King of Benin was Igodo and his son/sucessor was Ere.


Apparently, back then in Edo, the Kingdom of Idu was multi-ethnic with various group producing the King.



Yet again, the word Idu is central to Kingship in Alaigbo.


A title is not complete without the word Idu, such as Idu Ezeudo etc...


Also, the present day Bini were refered to as Igodomigodo people. The word bini and Edo or Ado were introduced recently.


I further notice a great number of dem feel comfortable wearing our Isi Agu cultural attire.


Very interesting history.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Ogiso

Actually, most southern nigerians and lower middlebelters (Nupes, Ebiras, Igalas, Idomas) and Gbagyis/Jukuns e.t.c are very much related linguistically. You guys should have a common origin, considering the fact that you are under one group of language family.

Idomas, Igalas & Ebiras and other middlebelt tribes share so many similar names and words with Igbos and Yorubas.


As for Ebiras, I don't think they are worth the stress of you broadcasting how much Igbo and their language sounds very common.

Even as a middlebelter, I dislike Ebira people with a strong passion.
Islam has turned most of them to something else.

hammerD:
WE ARE TALKING OF SOUND.

EVEN WEN U LOOK AT THE SPELLINGS, THEY SIMILAR TO IGBO.

JUST AS U HAVE URHOBO AND BINI SPELLING BEING SIMILAR.

HERE ARE SOME OF THEIR MOVIES.

EBIRA MOVIE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWKIwgPEkY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIl3av5d1M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3SOwtJiL8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEpAFdGRmI4

oilPUSSY:
Nowenuse. When did middle belt apologize for their rôle during the civil war.. ?
I need to know more about that.

https://www.nairaland.com/922820/tricked-us-into-fighting-igbos

This was one of them. There was another one in 2013, but I cannot find the link now.

oilPUSSY:
Hmmmm.

Interesting points u made up there. But you don't need to blame Pazienza for seeking Biafra without minorities..
Yes some SS minorities are pro Biafra but whether they are in minority or majority is what I can't tell..

Here are the disadvantages of having minorities in Biafra..

Igbos will bend and compromise a lot of things to please these minorities hence giving rise to production of half baked bread instead of merit ( Another mini Nigeria has been created because minorities will start demanding for quota system which makes a system unworkable) Failing to bend to their rules will justify the perception they have on Igbos which is dominance even though its a wrong perception because we dominated the military and civil service before the war despite not being the largest ethnic group in Nigeria.. We dominated those days because everthing was based on merit unlike what is obtainable today.

Again,Some of them have allowed their souls to be poisoned by outsiders by buying and believing a lot of lies and propaganda against Igbo's, meaning that if we share country with them, these people won't stop suspecting every movement we make which is very bad for a nation that intends to move forward.

Having only Igbo nation gives rise to faster development and zero corruption. Faster development in the sense that everything would be done in Igbo language both in teachings, public gathering etc. We won't bend our language to accommodate anyone. That is the beauty of a Nation

Zero corruption means that an Igbo man will jail an Igbo man if found guilty.. But if you share a country with Minorities, my dear the day an Igbo man arrest minority and jail him ehhh ...You should know the rest of the story.. That day minorities will spend the rest of their lives accusing Igbo's for many unprintable things.

Don't blame Pazienza because some of these minorities are annoying especially some particular section of SS minorities.. There are some minorities in SS region that have no problem with Igbos ( Though few of them are Igbophobic from that axis )

So when you see some Igbo's seeking for Biafra with only Igbo's, you should ask the reason why..

Or is it about the insult they dish out all the time accusing Igbo's what they did and the ones they didn't ?.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man won't you quickly disassociate yourself from those people ?.. See eh, I used to see all SS minorities as one of my own until I started reading and found out that they don't see me the way I see them, unfortunately 70 percent of Igbo's see all SS minorities as brothers.. That's sad.

If I must align with minorities in SS, I know the group I would align with and know the ones I will kick out without having a second thought. Even that group in SS I would align with, total trust issue must be addressed (IF)

Mind you, when you hear me saying SS, I excluded SS Igbo's. I was referring to minorities.


Then coming to NC, when Nnamdi KANU included Benue in Biafra we all saw their madnesses... Some one even made statement like. "Its like these IPOB clowns don't know the main people that fought for one Nigeria?, they should not try that nonsense again" this is a statement coming from the so called Christians.. If you are a patriotic Igbo man what would you do ?.. Won't you seek for an Igbo Nation alone ?
Yes some Tiv people visited Nnamdi KANU in Abia in 2017 , but what the opinion of the majority of their kinsmen concerning Biafra ?.. If not because of Fulani menace recently do you think any middle belt man would like to form any alliance with Igbo's despite the fact that they share common thing with Igbo's which is Christianity ?
I doubt !.. They would still get stuck in the @$$ of their oppressors that they share nothing in common with.

You know me personally as a SE, SS and MD belt Christian unity advocate, but that doesn't mean that we won't pin out some faults when its necessary... You self couldn't not even hide your Igbophobia that's smelling on some of your comments.

To me I believe that success could be achieved easier through the unity of the aforementioned regions.. We have to come together ist, get what we want then we can table our matter(Full reconciliation , confederation or final break up) latter on if it becomes necessary...

Your last paragraph @bolded was just the perfect conclusion to everything you wrote and to everything we all need.
Black people are not really a wise group of people and this is why we are where we are today.

People must not love each other or be 100% compatible with each other before they work together. Sometimes, all it takes is a common interest.
This is something most of us fail to understand. That is why you see myopic middlebelters & SS minorities shudder and wail at the thought of unity with Igbos.
They think any sort of unity with the Igbos corresponds to marriage like the Hausa-fulani kind. They never think in line of partnership for a common purpose.

I have served in leadership capacities among middlebelt people and I would be a foöl if I say the majority of my people like Igbos. Infact, some of us like the Nupes & Ebiras who are predominantly muslim can never work together with Igbos in any capacity. They rather be slaves to the core-north than sharing a room with Igbos.
Infact these group of people prefer core-northerners to we middlebelt christians, let alone Igbos. .....And this was the reason why I resigned from those stupid pan-middlebelt groups.

As a Plateau man, I only care about my people and people from Southern Kaduna, Taraba and tribes from Nasarawa, Adamawa, South Gombe, South Borno, and certain parts of Eastern Niger, FCT, South Kebbi and South Bauchi. These are the only people I share the same mentality, culture, values and struggles with.

Even we and Benue people do not have the same mentality, culture and struggles. Not until Fulani herdsmen hit Benue, most Benue people were laughing at us that we were drunkards who sold our lands to Hausa-fulanis for a bottle of drink hence we deserved our woes.

Didn't you see how Benue people voted Buhari in 2015?
If not for tribalism spearheaded by Jang in 2015, APC would never have gotten any reasonable support in Plateau state.

However, this doesn't mean that we cannot work with Benue people and even Igalas. The Attah of Igala who is a christian is actually very much pro-middlebelt.
My own people will work with the Tiv, Idomas & possibly Igalas just as we will work with Igbos, but we will never bring them into our fold anymore.

So if Pazienza is talking about something like this, it is very understandable. Bringing people into your fold and partnering with them for common interests are 2 different things.


Yes, I would never support Igbos and other minorities sharing one country like the way Nigeria is today. Such country must have problems just as you listed above.

The best thing for us is to come together and fight our way out as one people first, with laid down terms of 3 seperate nations. When we succeed, we will come together and decide how our 3 separate nations would exist. Either something like the UK or something like the EU.

I would not even support something like Regionalism cos we must still have problems with each other.
Igbos have the population and strong spirit of capitalism to drive a nation forward.
The Niger delta has the wide sea-access and crude oil (although crude oil should never be a subject).
While the middlebelt has large swathes of very fertile land and great tourism potentials due to the mountains, plateaus, rocks, springs, waterfallse.t.c
This is why I would prefer we are something like the UK rather than the EU. A nation like this will be extremely progressive.

It is not just about the fulani menace that is making people like us talk about alliance with the Igbos, although it is a part of it.
Core-northerners are a very regressive group of people who are intent on dragging everyone else down.
Look at Taraba & Plateau, both states have natural features that are beautiful to behold and a tourist industry would be very lucrative here, but considering how both areas are just next door to Boko haram states, which international tourist will even think of coming to these places? Abeg, the examples are too much to explain.

Cc ZZ22

Fulanis will destroy this country with their own hands through their desire for expansionism just as Serbians destroyed Yugoslavia.
Today many Serbians bite their fingers and wish back the good old days of Yugoslavia as they watch Crotia & Slovenia become far more progressive than them.

If fulanis continue like this, a time will come when they will weep and wish for a one Nigeria with the crude oil of the Niger delta, the fertile lands of the middlebelt and the industriousness of the Igbos but they will not find it anymore. Rather they will be stuck with a desertifying core north filled with illiterate masses, Boko haram, Armed bandits and shia militias to contend with.

Hmm

Tareq1105:
Ezeife has been my person from the days of SDP but he just disappointed me with this trash appeal.

Too bad for Nnamdi Kanu, he never thought a day like this would come.

Ezeife understand the pains, travails & agitations of his people and he is willing to give his support. Unlike your own leaders that do not care about your agitations but only their pockets.

PearlStreet:
Which war, the same one they shouted about and eventually lost?

Maybe you are in the comfort of your family's stolen wealth in Lagos Island, that's why you don't feel the pressure the majority of other Nigerians feel.

Only Nigeria is suffering from how many terrorist groups? Boko haram, Armed Bandits, Fulani herdsmen. The relationship between all the tribes is becoming sour and sour by the day.

We have barely finished the elections and every region and tribe is already focused, fighting, arguing and trading words for who will be the next to rule. Is that how a country should be? The leaders don't even talk about the progress & equity of the nation.

900warriorz:
I'm not happy....I don't regret being a Nigerian but is this how we'd keep looking at things growing from bad to worse...I fear for the future of our unborn generation what can we do? someone help

You better start to regret being a Nigerian while you can, unless of course you are a Hausa fulani or a northern muslim.

I am from the middlebelt and I hate being a Nigerian with great passion.

klax:
Let him try it he and his bloody miscreants followers will understand wella.

No one should stop him from coming he is invisible Zionist bah We shall see. I hate this guy with passion and I can't hide it.

You hate someone fighting for the rights of his people in this regressive and failed country called Nigeria?
Well just to let you know that I support this man and admire him and I am not an Igbo. I am from the middlebelt.

As your Nigeria continues in it's regression and inequality, many more Nigerians from other tribes and regions will begin to love and support Nnamdi Kanu. I am a proof.

MelesZenawi:
Epistles of Paul to Macedonia...Lol.

Middle belt or centre belt has such terrain and fulani was busy mowing you guys like chicken and you couldn't explore the terrain to your advantage??

Was your brain fixed or born with?

And next they will say Igboland is landlocked..Lies from pantang and yantang

Let me quickly brief because you don't know anywhere as you claimed.

Fulani herdsmen are the only people who knows your terrain as well as you do, because they live in your forests!

Our people live in very small farm settlements. With urbanization, the youths and younger people have left to towns and cities for opportunities, leaving mostly old women and children in these farm settlements.

You will see a small farm village of only like 200 old women and children. Hundreds of heavily armed fulani herdsmen from the forests will attack it and before the youths from the neighbouring town will mobilize and come, they have fled deep into the forests of another state or another tribe.
These people control the military and use the military to disarm the youths whenever they want to carry out a heavy planned attack into those fulani hideouts.

Is a war fought this way? In the case of a full blown war, all fulanis would be smoked and rooted out from the forests within the first few days. No federal army to come to their rescue.

Beroms and fulanis no longer have attacks again like before because Fulanis have now been eradicated from Berom lands. You don't find them anywhere. No mosque or muslims in any part of Berom land anymore. There are some roads that muslims don't even pass sometimes.
So, the fulani attacks on my Berom brothers have even made them stronger. Unlike other tribes where there are Hausas & fulanis all over their towns & villages.

Astark:
oya what's the name of your tribe?

I know you will never reply back because you are ashme of it

Can you tell me how the name of my tribe fits into this thread? Are we contesting for the 4th largest population in Nigeria?

pazienza:
As for the SS minorities, you need to go through my post history to know what I think about them and IPOB annoying idea of a Biafra with them. You must have mistaken me for Ipobian. Well I'm not, and I don't see them any different from the rest of Nigeria, as far as sentiments towards the Igbo is concerned, Nigerians both North, South and West, Muslims or Christians, Minorities or majority, etc, are no different, and when an Igbo makes peace with this reality, he becomes politically liberated.

You are not an IPob, well form your own group so that the world knows who you are, let's see how many followers you get.
I may not like everything that Nnamdi Kanu is doing, but I support him passively. I have a soft spot for him and possibly in the future, my passive support may change to a very active one.
If I can't join him, I will create mine and probably partner with him since we have similar interests.

People like you can never be successful leaders of a country because you will just lead your people to early destruction.

I am not in anyway begging Igbos for an alliance or wish Igbos begged anyone for an alliance.

However, common sense should tell us, as well as history has showed us that even the worst enemies become allies when their interests are alligned.

The West saw to the dissolution and destruction of the Ottoman empire, but for many decades and till today, Turkey and the West have become best of friends. Why? Because of Russia. They have a common threat in Russia.

USA nuked hundreds of thousands of Japanese to death, but today Japan & USA are lovers. Why? A common threat in China.

Islamic terrorism sponsoring PAKISTAN and muslim persecuting CHINA today are bedfellows. Why? A common threat in India.

Only emotional sissies think they cannot work with people who have similar interests with them because these people have hurt them in the past. Leaders of nations do not think in this petty manner.

One thing I have noticed about many Igbos is that some of you are not practical. You are too emotional. You allow emotions lead you more than practicality.

Fulanis know that on their own they cannot dominate Nigeria, this was why they latched on Hausas in a form of symbiotic relationship. Most of us think it is a purely parasitic relationship which the fulanis are the sole beneficiaries, but it is actually a symbiotic one.

With the Hausas, the Hausa-fulani alliance now comands like 30% of Nigeria. They know it still isn't enough, hence they use Islam and regionalism and with this they almost command 50% or more of Nigeria.

Even at this, they know it still isn't enough and this is why they are always looking for allies in the south and will do everything to make sure the Yorubas & Igbos never unite.

I often wondered how come we never hear anything like Hausa women association, Fulani traders group, Hausa students association or Hausa national group. It is always we AREWA or we NORTH or we MUSLIMS.
Whenever these people talk or do things, they never mention their ethnic groups. It is always a regional or religious identity that groups many people together.

Kanuris use to hate and disagree with Hausa-fulani right from history where they defeated Danfodio, but today, even they have been absorbed into the we AREWA or we MUSLIMS identity.

This is the way these people get their power. It is not magic or science fiction.

World politics from all the continents has shown us that a group of people (minority) in a country who are just 10- 20% of the country can make all the noise they want, but they will forever remain suppressed and even silenced in some cases unless if they have a stronger neighbour or international power backing them.

Igbos on their own are just around 20% of Nigeria. This is why I just look and shake my head when some of them threaten to pull down Nigeria and get Biafra with so much hopes, telling you that Biafra is coming tomorrow .
Without any other allies in the country, without a supporting neighbouring country and without an international superpower. Without even the political power of your region.
Only God knows how they intend to do that. Some think it will happen by reaching out to the UN. When some countries in charge of the UN have their own minorities they suppress & silence to keep their countries one.

Had it been Igbo land was even like the SS that has a very large coastline and difficult terrain (swampy creeks & islands), or like the Middlebelt with very large swathes of lands with difficult terrain (mountains), it could have been very advantageous to you guys if you declare war on Nigeria.
Igbo land on the other hand is a very small and landlocked region where almost all the towns are connected and can easily be rounded up within a short period.

Even when the agitating minority of a country are up to 30% of the country, they can still be suppressed.
However, when it gets to 40 or 50% it becomes a very big problem. How does one nation suppress half of it's population succesfully?

I have seen that Nigeria the way it is, it is not favorable for my people and if things continue this way, we may also tow the part of seccession.
On our own, this would be very impossible. Hence we will look for allies within and outside Nigeria and try to take charge of the politics in our region. Very simple solution. Not by being unnecessarily emotional.

We have our landmass to use to our advantage, but we do not have access to the sea and this is one thing that will kill us easily, unless Cameroon is fully by our side.
This is why we must seek alliance with the SS & SE if we must ever achieve our aims.

Igbos on your own you can never shake or even scratch Nigeria one bit. You can only make noise. And with the way things are going sef, that ability to make noise within Nigeria could be taken away.

Yorubas have found love with the core-north and not until there is a bitter divorce, they will never make a move of self assertion.
The only possible allies of Igbos within Nigeria are the Niger-deltans & middlebelters/christian northernerns.
Politically, the 3 of us have been voting in one direction for the last couple of years. We all have bad relationship with the core-north. We are mostly christians.
We ourselves, we are not the best of friends, we have our differences with each other, but if we have common interests, there is every gain in exploring this, instead of us to keep dwelling on bitter pasts while the caliphate grows every day in population.
Very soon, with our lower birthrates and emigration, the caliphate will grow so large in population that with our without anybody else, they will win elections and nothing will happen.

Then, all this yanga we are making now of who to vote and who not to vote, who to like and who to dislike will be gone.

My advice to you Pazienza is not to be an agent to aid the final destruction of your people. Common sense is not always common.
Igbos and other people must not be soulmates for them to work together. As long as they have common interests, they can work together.

John Danfulani, a renowned leader of Southern Kaduna people went to Nnamdi Kanu 2 years ago to say his people will join Biafra. Kanu accepted him.
There are 5 million indigenes of Southern Kaduna and none of them came out to criticize or antagonize John Danfulani.

If all middlebelt tribes or even only the christian ones unite for a cause behind Biafra or seccession with another name, most Niger deltans will join the cause too, cause their fears of an Igbo dominated Biafra will fly out the window.

Now, the combination of a middlebelt with large landmass, a Niger delta with large coastline/sea access and SE with large population and individual capital.
Nigeria can never stop such a movement. It would be impossible. Don't be an obstacle to such a union, because with the way things are going in Nigeria, it will happen very soon.


Cc Yujin, oilPUSSY, selemempe, gidygiddy

Astark:
I thought you said Pyam is your tribe name? Ipand according to wikipedia it has less than 10,000 in population.

According to Wikipedia? Wikipedia that anyone can edit at anytime? Are you even a knowledgeable person at all?
Even the smallest tribe in Plateau state has at least 50,000 people yet my tribe is among the 10 largest in Plateau state. Besides, that is not the name of my tribe.

pazienza:
Nowenuse :

Now I don't really understand what you are talking about here. You are the emotional one trying so hard to stick that tag on another.

Hahaha, don't be ashamed of who you are. You are the one using cheap emotional blackmails to get likes from your fellow Igbos by claiming everyone hates Igbos, everyone wants to kill Igbos, everyone wishes Igbos evil and everyone wants to victimize Igbos.

You make all these sissy emotional claims here meanwhile millions of your Igbo kinsmen are enjoying their lives in other parts of the country, interelating, integrating, intermarrying, having it so good and never wish to go back to stay in the SE, no matter the unfortunate circumstances they encounter in those places.

Who then is the emotional wreck between you and I?

Yujin is oblivious of your Igbophobic self. I'm not. I also don't have time to reply all your posts. I simply pick those I feel could be injurious on the mind of innocent Igbos out there, and puncture them.

Yujin is a more mature and enlightened individual. He has lived and grown up with other Nigerians and understands people better unlike you who has probably lived all your life in Nkpor and when you travelled out for the first time and saw muslims you were having cultural shocks to the extent that you concluded that places that were muslim minority were muslim enclaves . You argued on this unrepentently until we busted you and you crawled back into your hole. Only to come back with heightened emotions, moodswings and conspiracy theories like someone who just saw a ghost

Since you pick only some part of my points to respond to, why then were you complaining when I ignored your points as well and called you out for the emotional sissy that you were?

Every hater always have one stupid reason or the other to justify his hate of another. Israel in ancient maps has always been in her current location, and the Arabs know that as well.

Israel in ancient maps? There are ancient maps showing almost everybody everywhere. Everybody came from somewhere and always lived somewhere else.
It's just like all races of the world coming back to Africa to fight for it, afterall all humans originated from Africa at one point in time.

If you ask hateful groups down there in SS why they hate Igbos, they all conjure lies of Igbos invading and attempting to take over their lands during the war. You even hear stories of Igbos trying to rename Calabar to New Onitsha. These people will swear to you that they parents rightly informed them that Igbos are aggressors and Invaders who invaded and tried to claim their lands and are still on a mission to do same even today.
Ask an Ikwerre Igbo hating man, and he gives you same story of Igbo invasion of their land.

All these people will also tell you how selfish, discriminating, unacommodating, unwelcoming, domineering, arrogant, loud, harsh, unfriendly, bragging and fraudulent Igbos are.

A hater will always have reasons for his hate. It's their job to hate, while it's the job of Igbos toake Igbo nation strong and immune to their hate, and we can't do this by obliterating the lines between us and Nigerians groups in the name of nonsense Christianity, because it's obvious their hate for us is not deterred by Christianity, we will be commiting group suicide by not de emphasizing on unity on basis of Christianity between us and any non Igbo group in Nigeria.

Well, I guess you can start this by talking to Nnamdi Kanu. The most respected and followed Igbo leader.
He included other christian minorities in his struggle.
He has supporters among these christian minorities and with time, the support base will grow as people become more aware of how unworkable Nigeria is.

More like they are feared and respected by their Muslim minorities who they have used Islam as apparatus for total subjugation against.
Have you not noticed that the Christian Northern minorities are different? Why do you think it's so. It's simply because they escaped the brainwashing that emphasizes the divinity of Hausa Fulani Islamic/political rulership the Muslim minories were exposed to from childhood.

No, you are wrong. Northern muslim minorities do not just accept Hausas based on fear.
Hausa fulanis accept you and take you as one of their own as long as you are a muslim and you can speak Hausa.
This was why a Nupe man and a Bura man have been governors of Kano state! I'm even hearing rumors that the former gov of Bauchi state was an Ebira man.
I have muslim cousins who got scholarships from Katsina state govt just because they are muslims and they understand Hausa.
Many people don't know that Tafawa Balewa was never a Hausa man, he is from one of those minority Bauchi tribes.

Hausa fulanis base their unity on religion and this is why Northern christians could never fit into this identity, hence the clashes.
Like I tell my Plateau, Southern Kaduna & Taraba people, had it been we were muslims, we would have been Hausanized by now and been no different from the Hausa fulanis we oppose.

Ndiigbo do not have such brainwashing religion to use in manipulating the Eastern minorities, even if we do, we are not culturally built for subjugation and ruling of others, we might not be saints, but we are not empire builders either.

@ bolded sums it up.
Igbos never had the mentality of empire building. The idea of multi-ethnic kingdoms was never an Igbo thing. This is why Igbos are very clannish and petty in this regard.
This is the reason why Ngwa people will reject an Mbaise catholic priest as their head.

So you people should stop crying how everybody else hates you guys when you know you cannot do what others who receive love and support from their neighbours are doing.

Your kind of decentralized and clannish culture has it's own unique advantages that come with it. Embrace it as a consolation or learn to do what the others do.
Igbos want to eat their cake and have it.

Many Igala people are in Onitsha in large numbers, and many of them are indigenous to Anambra, because their migrations to this particular of Igboland was ancient.
Aba use to house a large number of Akwa ibom and Cross River people who are very much integrated into the life of the city. And many have integrated into Igbo culture there as well.
Growing up in Enugu, we have many Akwa ibomites in Enugu, but since Akwa ibom became super rich, many have left Enugu for their hometowns, Uyo or Ikot Ekpene.

The SE is not a 100% homogenous region. Of course there are settlers, just that the numbers are very few and insignificant when compared with other regions.

There are many Isoko people who are now part and parcel of Ndokwa, they migrated to those parts since ancient times and were welcomed.

Asaba an Igbo town hosts thousands if not millions of Urhobo and Isoko people. Many Igala are in Anambra, many Ibibios are in Aba. Ijaws hardly leave Portharcourt. If Ika is counted as Igbo, then many Edos are there.

SS Igbos do not have the same mentality with those of you in the SE. This is the reason why some of them reject Igbo identity.
These ones are more accommodating, more liberal, more respectful, less domineering. Very different.
Besides Asaba is the capital of Urhobo/Isoko people, why shouldn't they be there?

The relationship between Ndokwas & their Urhobo/Isoko neighbours is one that exists everywhere. These people have been mixing up with each other since ancient times just as Igala & Nsukkas have been doing or Aro & Ibibios have been doing. This example does not apply here at all. This is an example of mixed communities along border/boundary areas.

I wouldn't have the stats of how many of them are employed in civil service of Igbo states, if you have them release them or stop with the emotional narratives .
Sacking of those Imo non indigenes only means that the non Indigenes were employed by the government before and the next government will still employ more. It only shows that they have non indigenes in their civil service, contrary to your opinion.

Hahaha, you think you are talking to a child abi?

Unfortunately for you, I am from a Northern minority and I grew up in Southern minority lands.
So, I know the people of both groups like the back of my palm. How many of our people are admitted in Igbo universities?
All my life in the Niger delta & Middlebelt, I have only come across one minority person who schooled in the SE.
If our people are not given admissions, then I wonder if it is the civil service of the SE they will be employed to.

And I replied that Kano like Bini was always a capital of a multi ethnic entity .

Do you just like disgracing yourself or what? When was Kano the capital of a multi-ethnic entity? Are Jigawa people in Old Kano state the multi ethnic entity? Was Kano the capital of old northern region? Hell no! It was Kaduna.
Kano was not even the seat of the caliphate, but just a regular emirate or Hausa kingdom city like others before colonialism.
So, I beg you before all the members of nairaland, can you tell us what multi-ethnic entity Kano was the capital of?

Your failure to do this makes you makes you nothing short of an Ignoramus of gargantuan proportions who needs to hide his face in shame!

You also have to factor in the post civil war effect on Igbo cities. Enugu/Onitsha use to have huge concentration of non Igbo migrants but these cities got levelled during the war, non Igbos went home, and they(Igbo cities) just didn't offer same economic opportunities they once offered before the war, unlike other Nigerian cities. Igbos were forced to rebuild them alone with no special funds for rebuilding and rehabilitation by the FG. Even many Igbos had to leave our cities after the war in search of opportunities that didn't exist back home, how much more non Igbos.

This is a point but is not good enough cos Onitsha and Enugu are not the only SE cities.

Also, there are cities all over Nigeria which began from the scratch after that civil war but today have a good degree of cosmopolitanism.

Many Urhobos in SW are there for farming. Igboland is relatively small, we don't have enough farmlands for ourselves, pray tell how can we offer such to non Igbos?

This is a good point which I accept.
However even with the little one has, he can do something no matter how little.
There are about a million Ebiras, Urhobos and others farming in Eastern Yoruba land. Yoruba land is about 100,000km². Igbo land is about 40,000km².
Now, can we get even at least 50,000 settlers farming in Igbo land? No.
Igbos place excessive importance on land if you ask me.

Problem is that you and your ilks are simply not interested in realities, you are tainted by your Igbo prejudices and I simply can't help you.

What are these realities? Realities that tens of millions of Nigerias from different religions, ethnic groups and regions cannot see?
How true are those reasons that only you can see them?

Lol! Comedian. You go about flexing your muscles, I back you to a corner, and you come up with this emotional drivel.

Accept who you are or continue engaging me on this debate with facts and good points!
Your option to go about crying for sympathy about how everyone is against you and wants to kill your people reaffirms who you truly are (a teenage girl menstruating ceaselessly

I am simply making sure no Igbo go seeking for non existent allies in Minorities up North or down south, in the name of Christianity. I will do everything to frustrate any Igbo or non trying to link Igbo with non Igbos in North or down south. No harm meant.

Like I said, talk to Nnamdi Kanu first or begin your own movement and let it gain the support of the majority. Cos as it stands, many Igbos are very comfortable with the idea of possible allies across Nigeria.

Lol! I spew no hatred. I'm only watching out for my people. You gain as much from Igbo communities in your areas as much as they gain from you. Igbo migrants are valuable members of your community contributing both skilled and non skilled labour, what more, they invest alot of their proceeds in your cities and towns and most importantly, they have no interest in becoming indigenous to your lands, because an Igbo only consider himself indigenous to Igboland, unlike your Hausa Fulani brothers who intend turning your lands to Hausaland.
So you don't speak like you are doing Igbo migrants a favor. All they have in your cities, they bought with their money, even the government jobs in most cases, they bought them off from your indigenes who sell them off to highest bidders.

Had it been Nigeria had a very high and effective system of taxation through which Igbo migrants are taxed heavily through their noses, then I would say Igbos were giving more to these places than they are receiving. But we do not because of oil money shared from Abuja. So as it stands, Igbos gain more from these places than they give in return.
I heard there was a time when Plateau state tax people went to meet Igbo traders in Jos for tax and these Igbo traders beat them up and chased them away. Did the indigenes retaliate that? Can Igbos try such a thing with Ikwerre or Ijaw people in PH and go free?
Abuja LGAs increased their tax one time with about 1k or thereabout and Igbo traders lead series of protests against this.
Igbos buy lands in these places at give away prices, something they can never dream to get in their homelands. They get very cheap labour. In my state, nothing like community money you have to keep on paying the community youths of that area for every step you take in building your own house.

Igbo business men with their huge capital go to meet the poor natives of a place and buy huge swathes of their lands at a give away price. Something they will never get in their homeland. Then they start reselling these lands at exorbitant prices few years later.
This was exactly what happened in the area I lived in Warri.

In Nigeria we don't pay for landed or property tax. If we were doing that and these Igbos had to pay through their noses to the state govts for the large swathes of lands and houses they own, then we would have said Igbos contribute to these places.

In the case of Yorubas who have Iyalojas, Babalojas, Agberos, Omoniles, Owomidas and the Deve people of the Niger delta, I'd say Igbos contribute to these areas to an extent, but for we in the middlebelt & north where almost everything is at a give away price, we are loosing more than we are giving. This is why my generation will start changing these things very soon.

Igbos don't bring any stupid skills to our areas. Most of them trade.
Let's even assume they bring skills. Did anybody beg them for this? Will the natives cease to exist without these so called skills?
As for civil service work being bought by Igbos, well, maybe in the SS & SW, but not in my own area.

So I am really really yet to see how Igbos give back to these places compared to the good and profit they get in return.

Iamgrey5:
First of all, why will any Yoruba from Kwara who prefers to be identify as a Yoruba join "the biggest forum for middle belt in the first place"

It's only those who are against a South western identity that would leave an oduduwa Facebook page and even prefer to join your group in a bid to forge a unique identity.

Most Kwarans who readily identify as Yorubas would join a Yoruba group rather than rbiggest forum for middle belt.

I realize you always want to argue that Kwarans see themselves as northerners on this forum, but I don't really understand why.

You are fond of creating argument where they don't exist by quoting someone out of context.

How can I ever say that most Kwarans see themselves as northerners? That would obviously be a lie.
I was referring to Ilorin indigenes alone (especially the pro-caliphate ones).
The middlebelt movement is against Fulani emirates in the region, now do you think any reasonable pro-emirate Ilorin person would support something like that?

No matter how much you Yorubas think you can deny and wish away the existence of Pro-caliphate Ilorin indigenes, it will never change the reality and existence of these people. It's a fight you guys must be ready to face with the caliphate!
Telling everybody else how the Emir of Ilorin speaks Yoruba and how they answer Yoruba names is very very inconsequential.

Moving on,

The Yorubas still make 20% of Kogi population today and are 75% of Yoruba today (even using your own record). The Igalas make up 40% of kogi(Not withstanding a substantial selection of that came of from Benue). The Igbiras only make up 30% while Nupe and rest make less than 10%

Hence, it is safe to project that with 75% of current Kwara and 20% of okun, Yorubas should make a substantial number of about 50% or 60% of old kogi.

Kogi as a state today has far more indigenes than Kwara state.
Now, compare 80% of Kogi state (non Yorubas) against 75% of Kwara state (Yorubas). Then bring in the people of Borgu LGA in Niger state.
Haba, wetin you still dey argue my brother?!

Ehen, you just reminded me. Abaji LGA of FCT was formerly part of old Kwara state too before it was cut off into FCT.
Abaji is made up of Gbagyis & Egburas (Ebira koto). Add them and still open your mouth to argue that Yorubas were the majority when Kwara state was first created.
Infact if care is not taken, Yorubas would be less than 40% of old Kwara state (West-central state) at the time of creation.

The population of Igalas & Ebiras of Kogi can clearly neutralize the Yorubas of Kwara today with a significant remainder.
Okuns & Nupe/Bariba of Kwara north + Ogori Magongo can neutralize each other.
Then by the time you bring in Borgu & Abaji people, it is a clear knockout for Yorubas na.

See, if you don't have good solid and strong facts, don't argue with somebody like me cos I will just end up disgracing you as I will be remembering more facts. I don't mean to brag.

You can ask my Oshuku friend cc Deadlytruth if you want to know more about me and how I silence and disgrace people with hard facts as arguments go on.

You can see, you just reminded me of Abaji people in FCT. I have forgotten them before.

garfield1:
I think the hausas came to jos first before any southern tribe based on archival records

Hausa fulani Danfodio jihadists invaded Jos-Plateau in the 19th century and they were defeated and sent away.
It was the coming of the British and colonialism that brought them back. Tin mining. Anyone telling you anything other than this is very ignorant.
Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas and everyone else were welcomed to work in the tin mines at the same time from the early 20th century.

Astark:
says someone from a tribe with less than 10,000 population.isn't Pyam your ethnic group again?.

Infact add all plateau tribes together and they are not more developed than the Benin's.

There is no ethnic group in Nigeria with 10,000 people, stop being silly.

Besides, I never bragged about my people. Benins are the ones doing the bragging here. Bragging which they cannot prove.

This is very very good.
Nigerian leaders have been pushing the masses to the wall.
If not for the power of tribalism, a revolution would have taken place in Nigeria long ago.

Iamgrey5:
Bruv bruv bruv.

Kwara had been a predominantly Yoruba state from the creation even before parts of it was cut to create Kogi state sir.


Anyone with Yoruba name readily identified as a Yoruba for favours and election.

Does the population of Igbominas, Ibolos, Okuns and Ekitis (of Kwara) outnumber that of Igalas, Ebiras & Nupe/Bariba/Borgu (niger) combined?

West-central state could never have been predominantly Yoruba at creation. It was after Igalas left the state that it became slightly predominantly Yoruba.

Did an Ebira man not become the first elected governor of Kwara state? How did this happen with your so called 'General Yoruba acceptance all over Kwara'?

Iamgrey5:
Bro, I don't know who you have been chatting with but I am very certain that you have been chatting with most pro middle belt Yorubas amongst them because most pro Yorubas would hardly join that forum to begin with.

You can take a trip to Kwara or Ilorin yourself. They are not in the majority. Many Kwarans will hardly join a pro middle belt forum to begin with.

And no sir, Igbominas and Ekitis always wanted a state where they can dominate. The only reason why they want a Oya state is to create a separate state to enable flourish.

I have a lot of friends from Igbomina area of Kwara.

Most Yorubas of Kwara south do not even know that they are classified as Northerners politically.
The ones who are aware try to identify with the middlebelt, not because they like it but rather because to them, being a middlebelter is better than being an Arewa.
Now, for you to see a Yoruba speaking Kwaran who rejects the middlebelt identity because he prefers to be called a Northerner tells you how pro arewa and pro caliphate such people are.

Or are you telling me that people who prefer Arewa identity over middlebelt identity will prefer a Southern identity if the option comes?

Sometimes I wonder if you are even reading your own lines of argument.


Oya state agitation has always been addressed as a state to unite the Yoruba speaking people of the north central! It never talks about Igbomina or Okun! Although it is mostly championed by the Igbominas!

Igbominas dominate only 4 LGAs in Kwara state. If Oya state was just about them, where will their capital be? Ajase or Omu Aran? Or will the capital be in Kabba?
Offa the largest town in Kwara south is not even an Igbomina town.

Igbominas cannot request for a state of their own which they hope to dominate.
The Okuns, Ekitis & Ibolos must be part of it.

Iamgrey5:
@ boldened

I have met more than four families that returned from Jos to settle back in Ibadan. You can't tell me that the numbers of Yorubas in Jos have not reduced significantly.

In Shagamu, go and ask the Hausas about some of the horrifying things they endured.

I can tell you that it would be Four times worst if Buhari wasn't president.

Well, I don't base in Jos so I can't tell how much it has dropped. However, the last time I entered Jos main market, I saw Yoruba muslims there.

Yoruba christians are still much in Jos, but one cannot easily tell them apart cos many of them have integrated with the indigenes.

I know that Yorubas deal with Hausas in crisis in Yoruba land, my point however is that Hausas still fight back and defend themselves.

In mile 2, did they not balance Yorubas there?

Unlike Yorubas that would be running helplessly from Hausa attackers even in areas they dominate.

Iamgrey5:
Ahhh

There's a senator with the name Buhari in Oyo state

Does that make him Pro Fulani?


Belgore even lives mostly in Lagos as against Abuja.


Before Saraki, even those with clear Fulani names prefer to be called Yorubas in other to be accepted by the vast majority of Kwara people.

Smh. Buhari is an islamic name! Belgore is not an islamic name but a pure native fulfude name. Get the difference before you argue blindly.

Saraki is the yoruba pronounciation for SARKI a pure native Hausa word.

West Central state (Old Kwara state) was not a predominantly Yoruba state at the time of creation! This was why Ebiras, Nupes and everybody else won elections.
Yorubas were like 50% or less of the state.
You had Igalas, Ebiras + Kwara north of today and Borgu people in Niger state today.

So there was never anything like being pro yoruba to be accepted by the vast majority of Kwara people. Lai lai.

Iamgrey5:
@ bolden

They are neither bro Yoruba nor pro Arewa.

Igbominans want to form a state because they felt they are being cheated by Ilorin people, Should they then go and still invite Ilorin yet again?

Bro I don't really understand your point!

So you are telling us that people who are pro emirate are not pro arewa? Oga, do you know who you're arguing with?
I was a leader of the largest online middlebelt forum and we have Kwara & Kogi yorubas there. I have interracted with these people so much and know their mindset in and out.

Some of these pro emirate Ilorins even reject middlebelt identity and struggle, and claim that they are North central people instead.
This is why I said it's like you are a learner.

Oya state was meant for all Yorubas in the north-central not just Igbominas.
How many are Igbomina people to request for their own state?

Igbominas and Okuns wanted Ilorin people to join because Ilorin has always been their capital and they have so much investments and influence there. Do you know how unhappy most Okuns were when they removed them from Kwara to Kogi state?
Igbominas/Okuns also wanted Ilorin to join the new state for the sake of larger population.

Iamgrey5:
There's nothing like pro Arewa in Ilorin sir. There is a certainly pro unique identity by a few people in Ilorin. I can never deny that especially among those with mix orgins.


The Ilorin people of mix orgins became more vocal during the Saraki's era who felt carving out a unique identity would mean he will be given the kind of liberty groups like Nupe and Igala enjoys in the middle belt.


The last election shows that they are actually small in number but were made powerful simply because they always had power.

Immigration of other Yorubas into Ilorin is killing the effect of the pro arewa Ilorin, or let me use the word pro caliphate Ilorins since you are arguing the previous word.

Yes you are right that Saraki family gave power to the pro caliphate Ilorins. However, I think they might have already been ever powerful.
There was a time I went through the list of the most influential Ilorin families. People who became powerful before the Saraki dynasty. They were still predominantly pro caliphate. You can clearly see their origin from their surnames.
The likes of Belgore family where Dele Belgore came from. Belgore is a pure fulani name.

Iamgrey5:
No sir, Most of Alimi foot soldiers were Fulani, Bariba and Yoruba Muslims.

Imagine you even leaving out Hausas when it is very clear that Hausas from Kebbi/Sokoto axis formed a good chunk of Alimi followers and soldiers.
Abeg, I can't argue this with you.

Iamgrey5:
There's nothing like pro Arewa in Ilorin sir. There is a certainly pro unique identity by a few people in Ilorin. I can never deny that especially among those with mix orgins.


The Ilorin people of mix orgins became more vocal during the Saraki's era who felt carving out a unique identity would mean he will be given the kind of liberty groups like Nupe and Igala enjoys in the middle belt.


The last election shows that they are actually small in number but were made powerful simply because they always had power.

You like arguing pointlessly.
The pro mixed origin in Ilorin, are they pro arewa or pro yorubaland?

Are you aware that these people rejected and keep rejecting the proposition to create Oya state to merge Kwara and Kogi yorubas back to the southwest?
They said no inch of Ilorin emirate (Kwara central) will be added to that new state. That they are comfortable being northernerns.
It's like you are a learner oo

Most Okun and Igbomina people do not even include Ilorin anymore in the clamour for Oya state.

Iamgrey5:
It's strange for people to understand our nature.

Yorubas wouldn't ever drag any land with anyone outside Yoruba land, hence it's a bit strange when we find others (mainly igbos) extremely comfortable calling our land no man's land.

In south Africa, all those that have been killed according to records are igbos but an equal numbers of Yorubas and igbos repratriated because Yorubas will never drag any land that they believe doesn't necessarily belong to them.

Simply put, we leave where we are not wanted.

However, in Nigerian history when it comes to fighting for our right in our land, we have never shown any sign of cowardness.

Yoruba people naturally are easily afraid outside their homeland. Their land is their power. No excuse like someone doesn't want you somewhere.
The hausas in Shagamu that caused that crisis, did they not stand their ground in Yoruba land to defend themselves?

The Hausas who chased away the Yorubas from their lands in Jos, are they themselves indigenes of Jos? Hell no.
The Hausas came to Jos about the same time the Yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites came for tin mining.
Most Igbos and some Bendelites fled back to the south during the civil war.

The same Yorubas who you claim they leave where they are not wanted, have they left Kano & Jos till date? Rather, they fled to stay in christian areas which the indigenes & Igbos shared their blood to protect.

Iamgrey5:
No Sir, the emir in Ilorin has no Nupe identity.

It's purely Bariba, Yoruba and Fulani affair.

The Fulani, bariba and two Yoruba balogun choose a Fulani lineage of Alimi to head the emirate.

It's worth to note their language of communication in the Emirs palace is Yoruba language.

Don't create an argument where it doesn't exist. I never said the Emir of Ilorin had Nupe identity.

I said the royal & elite houses. Nupes & Hausas were among Alimi's foot soldiers and they intermarried with the Fulani families.

Iamgrey5:
Well you may be right about rivers, but you are wrong that 30% of those in Ilorin identifying themselves as Fulani.

I believe about 5 to 10% (Mostly related to the ilorin emirate) in ilorin will readily identify themselves as ilorins and deny being Yoruba or Fulani because they truly mix identity. Although they speak Yoruba

Meanwhile, Yorubas should be within 75% t to 80%

The Baruba are not much in population, while Nupes in Kwara are not much too.

The 30% of Ilorin indigenes do not necessarily identify as Fulani, but they reject Yoruba identity. Kai, they are more than 10%.
They couldn't have been able to wield so much power in the city and state if they were just 10%.

You probably do not meet with much of them because a lot of them migrate to the core-north to school, live and integrate. Many of them marry core-northerners and their children end up claiming the core-north. I met one like that in youth service.

You think the Baribas & Nupes are not much in Kwara because most of them migrate to live and integrate in the core-north. Others live in Ilorin and end up adopting Yoruba as their mother tongue and people just assume they are Yorubas, but they are not!

A lot of the Bariba/Borgu people even in Niger state speak Yoruba fluently. Many of them still live and integrate in Ilorin. They were part of Kwara state for many years before they were taken to Niger state.
Hausa is gradually replacing Yoruba as their 2nd language in Niger state though.

So many Yorubas from Oyo, Osun & Okun (Kogi) and even Kwara south have settled in Ilorin and integrated. This is why people overestimate the population of pro-yorubas in Ilorin and underestimate the Pro-arewa indigenes of Ilorin.

Iamgrey5:
Even the little twisted history ipob thought you, you refuse to learn probably.

Ilorin is different from Kwara state.

In Kwara we have two Yoruba groups which are the igbominas and the ilorins ( that has history with Afonja)

The Ilorins are called the Ibolos apparently. I wonder why these people do not promote their identity. Instead they identify with Ilorin emirate. How shameful.
Igbominas are very proud of their identity.
Most people do not know the name IBOLO.

Kwara has 3 Yoruba groups. Don't forget the Ekitis. There is one entire LGA in Kwara south that is Ekiti speaking.

Iamgrey5:
Oga it seems you know very little or have very little knowledge of anything.

Emir is not a Hausa Fulani title oh

And Hausa don't rule in ilorin, it's a Yorubanized Fulani that rules.

The elite and royal indigenous families of Ilorin are of Fulani and Hausa-Nupe background.

They have been linguistically Yorubanized, but they still know who they are.
They intermarry with the pure yorubas of Ilorin and these marriages tend to go in favour of the pro fulani and pro arewa line.
This is the way it is anywhere Fulanis rule with an emirate. It is like that in Hausa land, In Nupe land e.t.c

Iamgrey5:
No it makes Kwara a Northern state

What of chief Adedoyin of Doyin group, Lai Muhammad Rasidi Yekini, Joseph Ayo babalola (CAC) , Pasuma , Kunle Afolayan etc.

You can even google kwara state and you will find it posted that 85% of the population readily identify as Yorubas, or what language do you think is spoken in ilorin ? Even in the Emirs palace.

Rivers state is entirely different because while igbos make a substantial minority, it's no where close to 50% of the population, same can be said of Delta where igbos should be closer to 50% of the population.

Moving on, Wole Soyinka has more internationally recognized award than any other writer in Nigerian history.

He is a social crusader that has even spent months in prison for issues that should ordinarily not concern him like Biafra.

He started a group that was made up of predominantly students from poor background to give them a voice, he was never part of groups like Aye, Eye, Vikings of today.

I vehemently disagree with you saying 85% of Kwara indigenes identify as Yoruba.
It's more like 75% (if we consider all the people of Ilorin emirate to identify as Yoruba) and this we know is not true!
At least 30% of the indigenes of Ilorin emirate reject Yoruba identity simply because they have Hausa-fulani and Nupe origins.

Any way, let's just stick with 75%. Cos even many Igbo speaking people in Delta & Rivers reject Igbo identity.

You can't tell me that Edu, Patigi, Kaiama & Baruten indigenes are just 15% of Kwara state.


As for the issue of Rivers & Delta Igbos, you are making a mistake of inversion.
It is in Delta state that the Igbo speaking tribes can never be close to 50%. They are more like ⅓ of the population.
However, Rivers state has close to half of it's population as Igbo speaking tribes. That is why these Igbo tribes have been ruling the state exclusively since 1999.