₦airaland Forum

ItzLaw:
And yet they never produce a Governor except Boni Haruna whom was their by chance when Atiku was picked as Obj's running mate. Adamawa is 60% Muslims or even more but not 60% hausa/fulani. There are many tribes that have significant Muslims population in the state e.g Kilba from Hong, the Chamba people of Ganye also. Know the facts before speaking please. I am from Numan Adamawa State

You are not from Numan cos a Bachama man cannot say rubbish like you are.

You say Adamawa is 60% muslim. Apart from the fulanis in the state, can you mention another tribe that is predominantly muslim?
None exists. Unless you will now tell us that Fulanis are up to 40% in Adamawa state, which is madness.

Every tribe in Adamawa state apart from the fulanis are either overwhelminngly christian, predominantly christian or 50/50. No one is predominantly muslim.

Chamba, Kanakuru, Verre & Mubi-Maiha tribes (Fali-Gude-Nzanyi) are the only tribes who are around a 50/50 religiously.

Kilba, Batta & Marghi are predominantly christian with a strong muslim minority (30%) WHILE other tribes like

Bachama, Mbula, Higgi, Longuda, Ganda, Yandang, Yungurr are overwhelmingly christian (90% and above).

How then can Adamawa be predominantly muslim?
Muslims only have an upper hand politically because fulanis who are the largest tribe in the state vote in a single direction (representing islam) while the other christian tribes are heavily divided along tribal lines politically.

Efewestern:
I was angry reading your story, worst is,some aren't even Nigerians, Sad we share the same country with these lots. I also noticed how they flooded Warri of late with bikes.

Who else noticed they don't bring development to anywhere they migrate to?

Exactly. Nigeria can never progress as a nation with the Hausa fulani core-north. This is why I usually hiss and ignore whenever I hear people singing the national anthem, celebrating independence and even praying for Nigeria.

A complete waste. We pray when we are not doing the right thing.

It seems like these Hausa bikers were not allowed into Udu axis cos I notice Udu bikemen are mostly indigenous, unlike that Shaguolo (Ekpan)/Ubeji/Jeddo axis?

Thank God bikes were banned in most Nigerian city centers.

respect80:
Your guess is as good as right...
May I ask what piqued your interest?
I suppose you are from that region as well.

Yes I am. I am surprised cos I hardly ever see middlebelters who are in support for the dissolution of this country.

I am from Plateau state and I wholly support the division of Nigeria and would start active campaigning towards this in the future just like Nnamdi Kanu. But this time around, middlebelt republic.

What state are you from?

respect80:
Cc: ishilove

I'm sorry you were simply a victim of two things.
1. You are not a northerner
2. You are also not a Muslim

Honestly, I used to be a pro- Nigeria unity, but as the day goes by, every single justification I have tried to give that ideology proves to be a miscue. I finally realized that the merger of people of different ethnic values and norms to birth this entity called 9ja deserves to be tagged one of the biggest scam in human history.

Even though I'm not from the South, the entitlement and born to rule mentality the north has clothed them self with is like a ticking time bomb that will sure send this country to nonexistent either sooner or later and this has made me become indifferent about the secession agenda some regions are set to achieve (call me a pessimist, but that is the truth we must all accept).

To sum it up, Nigeria is not one and may never be especially if its unity remains fragile as to being begged for by certain regions because no beggar can beg to perpetuity. Somehow, someday, when the chickens come home to roost, we will all realize how disunited we are in this country. Remember, nothing kills faster than pretentious love and unity, they have been used as weapons in wars and have send so many to their graves.

In conclusion, I would implore those who see the north as allies to beware of the dragon which blandishes with the head and smites with the tail.
This is my dispassionate creed.

BTW, sorry for the unfortunate incident. Let posterity judge every man according to his deeds.

Nice piece. Hmm, you are not from the south?
Pls are you from a middlebelt tribe?

Ishilove:
I will try not to allow my experience taint my relationship with the northern neighbours who I have know for several years because those ones are though not educated as well, but have stayed in Lagos for so long that their world view has changed and have become more tolerant, but I guess it will always be at the back of my mind that when push comes to shove, will they be objective, or will they attack first and reason later?

I fear.

What you have experienced my dear is just a tip of the iceberg of what middlebelters who are next door to the homeland (origin) of these group of illiterates experience.

This is the reason why people like us are in support of the division of this country.
Nobody can build a progressive and united nation founded on equity with these group of humans.

Asnafsaeed:
I'm a very logical and rational person when I'm making my permutation and analysis, I'm not blind nor a zombie to the truth.. I have told you times without numbers that I always leave Nasarawa out of my permutation because its always too close to call, but that doesn't mean I believe it's a Christian majority state, I don't believe that and I'll never!

I have never talked about Taraba state because all this while we were debating on MB, is Taraba in MB!?!?!?

With significant number of Christians and a POD governor it would have been very hard for Buhari to win in 2011

We have absolutely no problem with Nyako being the last fulani man, as long as a Christian doesn't govern us.. that's why we overwhelmingly rejected Bindo Jibrilla..where ever a Muslim is, whether Kanuri, igala, nupe etc we all see ourselves as one brotherhood! .. but i assure u a Christian can never govern Adamawa state

The Map doesn't mean anything to me! There is nothing like SK in the books of law and regulation.. as far as the constitution is concerned ur under "kaduna state" and I shall still be under the rule of hausa/fulani

Just like I showed you above. Even Southern Borno is a part of the middlebelt, let alone Taraba.

If you like, don't believe that Nasarawa is a majority christian state. My happiness in Nasarawa comes from the fact that almost every indigenous tribe in Nasarawa is either predominantly christian or a 50/50.
So, by the time we start our strong regional agitation in the region very soon, idiöts will now know who the real owners of Nasarawa are.

All muslims are one brotherhood now ba? Where was this brotherhood when Yoruba, Igala, Ebira, Auchi and even Alago muslims were slaughtered in Jos & Kaduna by Hausa-fulanis who call them fake muslims?

Where was this brotherhood when Hausa fulanis descended on Yoruba muslims in Kano in retaliation for the Shagamu crisis?

You can only tell that to ignorant people.
Your people call even Bauchi tribal muslims TUBEBE, let alone Yoruba or other muslims.


Hahaha, Southern Kaduna exists whether you like it or not. They know themselves and they and Hausa fulanis are as different from each other as night & day.
We will never watch filthy uncircumcised almajiris misrepresent the great people of Southern Kaduna in any capacity without it going unchallenged.

See this liar saying ''We rejected Bindowo''. Mention one muslim dominated area that Fintiri won elections, let me see.
95% of his voters were christians and you open that gworo teeth of yours to say we.

Indigenous tribal muslims can never be like fulanis. These ones are far more tolerant and progressive except a few who have been cultured and overmixed with Hausa fulanis.
We know how to separate the chaff from the seed.

Your people voted against Fintiri and now you want to claim him in the name of islam. He can see through the hypocrisy of your likes.

oyatz:
So you have the power to frustrate a presidential candidate but you don't have the power to make your life better and achieve one tenth of what a presidential candidate has achieved?


Are Taraba , Kaduna and Adamawa parts of the Midddle Belt?

Even Southern Borno where you have the Marghis, Buras, Kibakus and a dozen other tribes belong to the middlebelt.
The middlebelt is an identity for all Northern minorities.
Anybody who is not Hausa-fulani-Kanuri and is from a minority tribe is very much a middlebelter. Irrespective of your state.

https://dailypost.ng/2019/09/21/real-reason-middle-belt-quitting-acf-pogu-bitrus/amp/

Bitrus Pogu above is the current National president of THE MIDDLEBELT FORUM who is at the forefront in advocating the middlebelt agitation and unity between the Middlebelt and the south.

He is from Southern Borno. A Kibaku man. He is also the national president of Kibaku ethnic group, (2nd largest ethnic group in Southern Borno), so he is not just a nobody or unknown person.

Cc Asnafsaeed, Oyatz, oilPUSSY.

jumper524:
i never believe you to be from the middlebelt, you don't explain, relate and understand like one, u behave more like IPOB who are politically bitter, if you had claim u were from benue i might believe you, but u claim to be from plateau!!! Man plateau?? Bro like i said plateau are stakeholders in the north only a northernern knows this, I'm from Abuja (north central) not Middlebelt like yourself and your divide and rule crew try to classify us as. If truly you're from plateau state then i see you as a political puppet which has been the cause of ethnic and religious crisis in plateau state,
Modify ur mentality cos even Ice-prince keeps reping his arewa brothers in life..

Just to let you know that I used to be strongly pro-arewa in the past. However I dropped that stupid and useless identity long ago when I discovered that it doesn't suit me, my people and our struggles.
That crazy identity is meant for only Hausa fulani Kanuri muslims.

Ice Prince is a musician of course, he will do everything to sell and appeal to more fans.
Also, many middlebelters are still very ignorant of their identity just as I used to be in the past.

Asnafsaeed:
Keep shouting Almajiri for all I care.. the same almajiri that made u second class citizens in ur own region, the same Almajiri that dictates politics and is governing you, or the same Almajiri that are constantly raping and impregnating ur women, or the same Almajiri that has prevent ur able men from farming [/b]

With your political power, your people still remain the poorest people in the country, isn't that an irony?
Where are people not going to farm anymore in the middlebelt because of fulanis? Can you tell me?

Apart from Adaras in Southern Kaduna who use to be friends with Hausas and are now learning their bitter lessons. Show me one tribe that has fought with fulani herdsmen that still have fulanis on their soil.

Hausa fulanis shiver and pray in their breadth whenever they are travelling through Berom areas to Bauchi state. Some of them will rather prefer to take all the way round Niger into Zaria then to Toro before they get to Bauchi from Abuja (double journey). Was a hausa general not sunk in a river in the same Berom area?
Or is it the one Southern Kaduna people have been doing to you people in Gonin Gora?

Mambilla people (a small tribe in Taraba) almost made Fulanis extinct from Taraba state last year to the extent that the sultan had to start threatening fire & brimstone.

Even in a state like Bauchi that is overwhelmingly muslim, your people cannot enter or pass through Tafawa Balewa town (the 3rd largest town in the state).
How many more can I list for you? Or should I take you to Adamawa and start mentioning entire LGAs where you almajiris cannot stay? And you claim you own Adamawa

Our people are far more educated and living better lives than yours on average and you are talking about making someone a 2nd class citizen?
You are the 2nd class citizen when millions of your people who are beggars depend on us to survive.


Igbos who are not in charge of politics in Nigeria, are they not doing far far better than you people? This is why they demand for their own country and you people beg them to stay.

Very soon, my people and the Niger deltans will join to demand for secession from this retrogressive country together with the Igbos, then let us see how the core north will be able to stop the rest of us combined.

Asnafsaeed:
Lol. Calm down bro, I see ur getting all emotional with the insults!
There is no time nor place that I have ever indicated or claimed that the Christian majority MB (Benue and Platue) states as part of us(core north), in fact I go through a great length in explaining to my ignorant southern friends who try to sum us all together, that not jus cuz these states are in the north that means we automatically share things in common.. I always let them know that we are two different entities

Are you naturally dumb and stupid! Pls trying to understand before you reply.. I said "significant number of Muslims voted for PDP in SK", of course that won't be enough for them to win a LG as minority

Kaduna and Adamawa state can never be under ur permutation and influence, continue deceiving urself with imaginary tales.. both states have always aligned with the core north with Muslim governors

lol. nobody is dragging Benue and Platue with you, ur suffering from grandeur of delusion.. what's special about those states!! are they more developed than kano, Kaduna, sokoto etc or do they have more IGR??

Keep shouting Almajiri for all I care.. the same almajiri that made u second class citizens in ur own region, the same Almajiri that dictates politics and is governing you

I can see that you cleverly did not mention Taraba & Nasarawa & FCT

Why didn't Buhari win Adamawa in 2011 yet he won Niger state, since Adamawa is under your permutation?
Murtala Nyako is the last time a fulani man will rule Adamawa. Fintiri even though he is a muslim is a marghi man and he knows that 95% of his supporters are christians. He has vowed to render Fulanis powerless in the state before his tenure is up. Just watch and see.

Nobody is dragging Zaria with you.
The Southern half of Kaduna is what concerns us.
Look at this map below and see your Zaria in Red. That is the only part of Kaduna you are free to permutate. Don't cross into the Yellow part.

Asnafsaeed:
Hahahah you said "Hausa fulanis & Kanuris (core northerners) will hardly vote any person who is not a northern muslim unless of course there is no alternative.", which is obviously a lie, so I had to contradict and expose you.. that's why I brought my evidence of Abiola as case study, these are exactly ur words not mine

And then I revealed, uncover and exposed ur hypocrisy in overlooking, turning a blind eye and condoning that fact that the SS/SE never voted for a northern Muslim, but chose to be fixated on the north

you problem is insecurity and inferiority complex, you think u can twist and fabricate facts without anyone challenging you so you can deceive the ignorant south thinking you minority have any influence in the north .. that's why I followed you, non four lies, concoction, fabrication and interpolation will escape me without a rebuttal

Just like I told your almajiri brother above.

My only word for you is to leave Northern christians and middlebelters out of your stupid permutations.
Speak for Hausa fulani & Kanuri people or Northern muslims alone. Never you drag us into your madness cos we are not part of it.

We know our areas that we dominate and we will never allow any idîot to misrepresent us and speak for us.

Only foolish people will come out to say muslims in Kaduna voted for GEJ in large numbers.
Tell them to bring out the breakdown of results LG by LG and you see that PDP never won any Hausa-fulani dominated LGA.

For the last time, any almajiri making any permutation should count only Hausa fulani places like Zaria (northern Kaduna), Katsina, Kano, Zamfara or Jigawa.
Never bring in places like Taraba, Plateau, Nasarawa, Adamawa, Southern Kaduna e.t.c in your stupid permutations.

jumper524:
man u lie, plateau are northernerns and you know, they live and behave like northernerns.
They are also stakeholders in northern Nigeria, so modify ur lie.
I've stayed in Jos.
I modified my previous comments, check

See ehn, I just don't have your time.
Go through my profile since I joined nairaland in 2013 and see if I've been anything else other than a proud Plateau person.

Thank God you said you have lived in Jos.

When you were in Jos & Kaduna. Do you see Hausa fulanis and Christians living together in the same areas? That tells you we are not the same people, we are not socially compatible and we do not live the same lives.

I don't care if you have edited your comments. That is your headache.

My only word for you is to leave Northern christians and middlebelters out of your stupid permutations.
Speak for Hausa fulani & Kanuri people or Northern muslims alone. Never you drag us into your madness cos we are not part of it.

jumper524:
lol, it takes a northerner to understand their politics. Stop analyzing our situation we know and understand better.
Come 2023 am voting a competent southern candidate and majority of we northernerns are doing same..

I'm from Plateau state FYI.

Better say majority of we core-northernerns or northern muslims rather.

The day we Africans start to disregard useless and unprofitable traditions, they will die naturally.
Useless traditions that have taken us nowhere and left us at the bottom of the food chain in the world.

There are Nigerians living abroad that do not even do any form of traditional wedding and they are happily married and such unions are lawfully recognized cos that is all that matters in our laws of today.
Your uncle can give your hand in marriage, it does not matter.

Asnafsaeed:
I don't care what era it was, I brought out facts and evidence to contradict ur lie and desperation to spread falsehood!!

Yes, Buhari won Benue state, but that's only because almost every state was jumping on the Buhari bandwagon of change mantra.. that's doesn't mean they often align with the core north in their voting pattern

Suit yourself with your stupid permutations.

I only responded to this thread made by jumper524 because he was making a very big error and mistake to count the votes of Northern christians in 2011 to symbolize a Northern support for a Southern candidate.

He must differentiate between Northern muslims & Northern christians and between Core-northernerns and Middlebelters.

People like us will never allow any nincompoôp or Scallÿwag misrepresent our votes and attribute them to the illiterate and poverty stricken core-north.

Thank you very much.

Efewestern:
I don't need to make sense to you because our interests differs. There is no unending war between anybody, it's normal to have communal crisis, it happens everywhere even in East and West.

The beauty of having Ibibio and Efik around is the assurance than no one can suppress anyone, we are doing this for the future.

Hahaha, this is true oo.

Without Akwa-Cross people, a Niger-delta republic can never exist peacefully. Ijaws will just personalize the Niger delta republic.

Even if you guys have one country, you must have a very decentralized govt where every ethnic group has his own region and control it's resources. Otherwise the fight for the center will make it another one Nigeria.

Efewestern:
There was no way Serb-controlled Yugoslav People's Army could have gone for Croatia and Slovenia, that would mean dragging Germany and others fully into the conflict, let's not forget that Croatia at that time was dealing heavily with Serbs minority who are opposing their freedom.

Well I agree that there are great flaws of secession under separate banners, but it's the best way to go.

Germany that was still recovering from their reunification between the East & west that you expect to start fighting Yugoslav wars?

America was the saving grace if you ask me.

Niger deltans are the most disadvantaged in Nigeria but you people do not make any serious or tangible move towards self determination. Why is this so?
Your leaders only come out to make noise and when Abuja gives them money for their pockets they keep quiet.
Your children will curse you people tomorrow when crude oil loses it's value and is depleted and your land has been left polluted and underdeveloped.

I am a middlebelter and my people are benefiting the most from Abuja being situated in our land. Abuja has developed heavily into Nasarawa state. I was shocked the last time I went to Mararaba in Nasarawa. It felt like I was in Lagos. The hustling and bubbling and commerce was unbelievable. Meanwhile, Warri is becoming a shadow of itself day by day.

Instead of your youths to allign yourself with people who are very serious for self determination in order to pull the FG to it's knees. You claim you have your own Niger delta republic and yet nobody is even serious about the movement. You people just act like a sabotage to Biafra.

Do you guys think Hausa fulanis would be sharing one country with you if they were the owners of the oil?

I hope people like yourself will bring a change to this.

hammerD:
U also miss the point. There is no unity or nation called SS. The only thing they all have in common is Igbo. Igbo is the uniting factor. Else dey destroy each other. Many times, Igbo try to broker peace for them. So how can dey be a nation? There nation is Biafra.

Southern minorities (Niger delta) can have a nation of their own, just as some of we the northern minorities (Middlebelt) wish to have ours.
Nobody should be forced on what side to take.
The most important thing is that we all want to leave this unworkable and uprogressive nation called Nigeria.

No minority group wants to be under the control of a majority.

Prompto:
Many of you Igbos never desist from commenting like lunatics. The northern Christian's that vote Jonathan are they Igbos or Jews ain't the northerners or the Igbo voting PDP in the east are they Igbo Muslums ?

Your father did not cot for MKO or Buhari but theh won their respective elections with your father n mother left to wail pathetically like the bigots they will ever be.

Mugü. I am from Plateau state.

Middlebelters and northern christians voted GEJ because his personality resonated with us. Same reason we preferred Atiku.
We are however not going to vote for Tinubu, cos a vote for Tinubu is a vote for Buhari.

jumper524:
You forgot Niger State: although middle belt but mostly dominated by hausa, nupes and gwari muslims, yet PDP got something reasonable.
Also KADUNA: probably u didnt see that also.
Adamawa is not core north from your understanding.

Go and check the LGA where most GEJ votes came from in Niger state. It is from Niger east where Gbagyi, Kadara & Kamuku christians have a large population.
I'm not saying that muslims never voted for GEJ in the north, but it was a small percentage.
90% of the votes that GEJ got in the north in 2011 came from the christians.
In Kaduna, it was from Southern Kaduna. In Adamawa, it was from the Bachama, Kilba, Higgi, Marghi christians.

CPC won kano flawlessly u forgot the incubent governor was PDP.

Bro check it, the south are the ones making politics look like its a religious or tribal affair and the north keep proving you wrong all the time.

And also Note: irrespective of what you or your likes choose to say hear or beleive, im a gbagi boy from f.c.t and i prefer to be called a northernern man than what u choose to believe and am voting a competent yoruba man ahead of Atiku.
Except the south east or south south has something better to offer.
The likes of willie obiano, or ebonyi state governor are quality competitors..

Religious politics is even worse in the middlebelt and the worst in the core north except for Kogi & Kwara.

You are most likely a muslim, so i understand. Just to let you know that the majority of your Gbagyi people, from either Nasarawa, Southern Kaduna, FCT and even Niger east are christians and they are becoming more and more resentful of Northern identity by the day. Most of them prefer to see themselves as middlebelters.

Asnafsaeed:
Your wrong to say "core northerners will hardly vote any person who is not northern muslim", we voted for Abiola against our son

MB state(Benue and platue) and SE/SS have never voted for a Muslim presidential candidate unless there was no alternative too, so I wonder what's ur point!

All I see is you being a two-face hypocrite, who tactically absorb and condone ur voting pattern but castigating the core north for that same issue

The Abiola kind of politics era has long gone.
That was the time Nigerians did not so much care about your religion or ethnicity but rather your credibility. Abiola's ticket was a muslim muslim ticket, who complained then? That era has gone.

Buhari won Benue state in 2015. So you are very wrong.

Asnafsaeed:
Tinubu might loss Adamawa state because of Atiku indigenous factor, just like how Buhari lost it

If Tinubu is loosing Adamawa, it is not just the Atiku factor. It is the christian factor. 60% of Adamawa people are christians and they dislike APC or anything that comes with Buhari.

Please don't ever put Kaduna state into ur calculation, unless u want to keep sounding dumb and delusional.. it's a majority hausa/fulani state and have always voted same pattern with the core north

A good percentage of Kaduna (Southern Kaduna) always vote against APC.
In spite of the rigging this year, 40% of Kaduna state did not vote APC.

Your talking about "frustration middle belt" like you have any numbers and influence to do that!! Lol you most be hallucinating.. You have never been in a position to outnumber or outsmart the core north politically, so the thought of frustrating doesn't even arise, i know ur desperately trying to impress the ignorant south

Kogi, kwarra, Niger and maybe Nassrawa have always gone with the core north.. I definitely don't see Tinubu lossing any of those states

See how ur confidently dashing out trash, feeling funky and cocksuee.. one would have thought u know what ur saying until he/she goes through ur profile, in how u got all ur permutations wrong

Kogi does not always go with the core-north. In 2011, they did not.
Kogi and Kwara may vote for Tinubu because of the Yoruba influence, not necessarily because of the core north.

Thank God you said maybe Nasarawa. Cos only through rigging like this year could Buhari have won Nasarawa.
Buhari lost Nasarawa in 2011 & 2015 which was the height of his support base when so many christians voted Buhari for change, only for him to win Nasarawa in 2019 when people were tired of him.

Besides, who is talking about outsmarting the core-north politically?
People like us are already tired of your one Nigeria which is built on deception, lies and inequity. Our goal is to pull out of this useless country and leave it for you illiterates who value elections more than education.

FriendNG:
Why don't you like Tinubu? I can vote for him or Yemi Osinbajo but my finger can never vote for Lagos Ibadan minister (Fashola).

Why would I like the kind of person that brought this useless man called Buhari on Nigeria?

UdechiHD:
Lol! Someone seems to be forgetting history. He's banking on Abiola's1993 feat.

There is a popular saying that goes 'fool me once, then the joke is on me, but fool me twice then the joke is on you. Will any state in the south be fooled again into voting the Yoruba's? Come on we all know that many southern states as at then voted Abiola without tribal or sentimental attachment. Can any Yoruba candidate win Delta state let alone Anambra again? The 2015 debacle has opened eyes and many are waiting to pay back the south west in their own coin come 2023.

He will feign ignorance. Maybe he needs to study the Abiola vs Tofa affair in 1993. He'll observe that Tofa won the NW states apart from Kano, Jigawa and Kaduna who were battlegrounds states with loyalties to Babagana Kingibe.
Right from the time of Shagari till date northerners have always voted their own. Even when PDP held sway in 1999-2015 the core north have always voted the ANPP, CPP till the era of APC. Yar'adua's emergence as president broke Buhari's might in 2007, yet it was shortlived with GEJ.
Those Tinubu boys banking on the core north for votes against their own should have a rethink. Only a united south/middlebelt can dethrone the north.

Thank you very much.
And people like us will do everything within our power to frustrate people from the middlebelt voting someone like Tinubu.

Though, Ebira & Igala (Kogi) people may vote Tinubu.
Niger people vote together with Hausa fulanis. Tinubu will get Kwara too. However, he should forget the other middlebelt states and Taraba, Adamawa, Kaduna e.t.c

hammerD:
U AND FRATERMATHY NEVER MAKE SENSE.

URHOBO DAT LIVE IN ASABA, AND SHARE STATE WITH IGBO, WHILST FIGHTING IJAW AND ITSEKIRI IN AN UNENDING WAR ARE ONE NATION WITH IJAW AND ITSEKIRI.

WE HAVE NOT EVEN ADD, IBIBIO, EFIK AFEMAI AND MORE THAT ARE IN THIS SS.

U BOYS ARE VERY FUNNY. I WISH U GROW UP A LITTLE THOUGH.

AM NOT BEGGING TO SHARE COUNTRY WITH U, BUT FOR U TO KNOW, U HAVE NO WHERE TO RUN TO.

@Efewestern where is Fratermathy? Truly I have not heard of him in such a long while. I will like to know his opinions on a subject as this.

And just like this guy is saying above. Truly, a Niger deltan country will need very very serious work and concerted efforts to make it a peaceful one. Especially the western axis where you have the Edos, Urhobos, Ijaws & Itsekiri. How easily do you think these tribes can live in one nation in peace?

Efewestern:
For you to have a united fight under one banner; you need to give the people a reason to bleed, how well do you want an Urhobo man to die for a cause he is not even sure his children will benefit from?

We all can have a single goal (secession) but under our various banners, like in the case of Yugoslavia.

It is wrong for you to think that the population of the minorities can outmatch a single ethnic group, that's when you will understand the game of Divide and rule.

Who would have thought the same Jews who cried of oppression some years back are the ones stealing land and bombing kids in the occupied territory today.

You are making serious sense.
It is true that it will be very difficult to convince most Niger deltans or middlebelters to die for the name Biafra. E nor go easy.
These people will be better off dying for a name they easily resonate with, like Niger delta republic or Middlebelt republic.

The problem with the case of Yugoslavia is that everyone seceding focused on their own nations and Serbia (the agressor) was left to pounce on the weaker ones in their bid for expansion.
Serbia descended on Bosnia & Kosovo and dealt with them seriously. If not for international help from NATO, a worse genocide than what the world witnessed would have happened. And after capturing Bosnia & Kosovo, they would have gone for Croatia & Slovenia next. However, imagine if the other smaller nations were united under one banner. There was no way Serbia would have had the liver to try what they did in Bosnia & Kosovo.

So, you see the great flaws of secession under separate banners?

Tobichimezie:
Nowenuse I'm Igbo, and I must confess all your contributions on here have been nothing short of insightful and beautiful to read... learned so much from you in just a few weeks or so read. Surely you've earned yourself a huge fan here, maybe you should consider writing a book in the near future?

Thank you very much for your kind words .
Writing a book? Maybe in the future when I have the time.

jumper524:
I've been reading several controversy about the north not willing to vote a southern candidate ahead of their own son, with several people terming the north as being tribalistic and guilible to the opinion of their leaders.
Maybe most of us failed to go through previous electroral result or even failed to properly analyse the last election result where ATIKU a north-easternern lost woefully in his region.

Lets take an insight on the 2011 election result where jonathan a southernern man won against the northern most loved son (buhari)

Adamawa: PDP- 508,314 CPC-344,526
Gombe: PDP- 290,376 CPC- 495,898
Kaduna: PDP-1,190,179 CPC- 1,334,244
Kebbi: PDP- 369,198 CPC-501,453
Niger: PDP- 321,429 CPC-652,574
Plateau: PDP- 1,029,865 CPC- 356,551
Sokoto: PDP- 309,057 CPC- 540,769
Taraba: PDP- 451,354 CPC- 257,986

Note: PDP won every north central states
Also 2011 election was seen as the freest and fairest election in the history of Nigeria by Nigerians..

Now if Goodluck jonathan a southern man could pull such votes against buhari whom most people claim is seen as a God in 2011 why wont it be possible for suchbto repeat itself

May I ask where you are from first of all?

Are you aware that apart from Sokoto where the incumbent governor was a PDP supporter at that time, all the states you are listing above are mostly middlebelt states and states with a huge christian population who voted GEJ?

Most of the votes you see from those states above were given to GEJ by Northern christians. Otherwise ask yourself why GEJ did not win in any core-northern states in 2011.

Hausa fulanis & Kanuris (core northerners) will hardly vote any person who is not a northern muslim unless of course there is no alternative.

Northern christians and minorities are the ones who can vote a Southerner without thinking twice.
However, we will not vote for Tinubu. Maybe Osibanjo or Fashola yes.

scholes0:
Igala - 40%
Ebira - 30%
Okun - 20%
Nupe offshoots (Bassa Nge, Kakanda) 3-4%
Others (Ogori, Idoma, Hausa, Bassa komo) 6%

Give or take.

Just seeing this.

Hmm, I wonder why most people forget that Gbagyis exist in Kogi state. Gbagyis in Kogi state are more than 100k.
From Koton Karfe down till you get to Abaji in FCT, many of those towns and villages belong to Gbagyis.

From Koton Karfe down to Abaji, down to Nasarawa-Toto, Egbura & Gbagyi communities lie side by side.

Cc garfield.

Efewestern:
Nowenuse on the issue of secession, you said everyone should go come together and fight their way out as one people, with laid down terms of 3 seperate nations.

Now my question is, why not everyone fight for their separate nations now and save everyone the stress of splitting later, things might not go as planned, and there you have another form of agitation, thereby repeating the circle.

I sincerely do not see how your model will work out, if it's political union, restructuring for example, then you can count on a united front.

I think we have to be united to fight under one banner, otherwise Nigeria will never take us seriously.
The core-north is so powerful today that only one region cannot take them on. Even 2 regions combined can hardly do it.

It is better we get independence and later fight among ourselves than for us to remain in this yoke called Nigeria while the caliphate feeds on each one of us and grow stronger.

Most southerners don't know that if the core-north succeeds in taking over the middlebelt, then Nigeria is finished. In such a scenario, it will take only a water-tight unity of the entire south to defeat the caliphate. This unity of the south we know can never happen, not when Yoruba muslims are there to be manipulated by the core-north.

We can never end up like South Sudan because unlike South Sudan, the majority of us (SE, SS & MB) are educated and we value human life and progress.
We will always sit down across a round table to discuss our coexistence.

I know most SS minorities are afraid of possible Igbo domination that's why you people prefer one Nigeria to Biafra. However, as long as over 30 million christian middlebelters & northern minorities are concerned and directly involved, an Igbo domination can never happen.

I use to be an advocate for restructuring, but I have seen that this will never work.

Restructuring based on our own terms and conditions can only work when we agitate for seccession and the core-north begs us to dialogue. Then we can put forward restructuring based on our terms as a solution to peace. Otherwise if we combine to agitate for restructuring, they will only give us an option to restructuring based on their terms when they feel our pressure.
It's just like a person going to the moon aiming for the Sun so that should in case he does not get to the sun, he will land on the moon.

oilPUSSY:
Nasarawa, Adamawa, South Gombe, South Borno, and certain parts of Eastern Niger, FCT, South Kebbi and South Bauchi.


You are comfortable to form a Union with the bolded ?.. Muslim enclave ?
People whose loyalty lies on the caliphate ?
States that are governed by Muslims since 1999 ?

Some of you northern Christians don't even know what you want..
Your Case is like trying to change pattern and position arrangement in fire..

When I talked of Union with middle belt I was referring to middle belt Christians not Muslims who are agents of the caliphate..

I don't think any Union with those States you mentioned will see the light of the day because sabotage Will be inevitable.

The people we see as middle belts are.. Benue, Platue, Taraba and southern Kaduna.....

Others are being dominated by Muslims and there is nothing you can do about it.
Because there are some minority Christians in Sokoto, will that make you to include sokoto in your Union simply because of presence of few Christians there ?

I also saw Boronu on your list... Nawa ooo

Disqualifying a group of people based on the kind of people they were classified with in the same state is myopic.

Have you heard of the Sayawa tribe of Bauchi south? They are next door neighbours to my tribe in Plateau state. The invisible state boundaries created by the core-north are the only thing that seperates us, just as Rivers Igbo tribes were seperated from Imo & Abia.
We are practically the same people. Same cultures, same mentality, same orientation and everything.

Sayawa people are the bravest northern minority group if you ask me. Not any tribe in Plateau or Southern Kaduna.

Sayawa people were the first northern minority to clash with Hausa fulanis in 1956. These people have started hating the core north before independence, whereas by this time, the rest of us were busy claiming Arewa.

Sometime in the 80s, Hausa fulanis dealt with these people and almost half of them were displaced and sought refuge in my area. However, since 2006 these people dealth with Hausa fulanis and chased them all out from Tafawa Balewa town (the 3rd largest town in Bauchi state).
Jihadists who are well supported and financed by the Bauchi state govt and all fulani groups from all over West africa have reinforced just to reconquer this town, but Sayawa people continue to defeat them till date.
No mosque can stand in that town till date. Even Sayawa indigenous muslims were sent packing. If you are a Sayawa man or woman and you convert to islam, your own brothers will kill you first.

All other Bauchi tribes have accepted Islam in their majority, others have been Hausanized and silenced, but Sayawas refuse to.
They do not have the majority population in the state but that doesn't mean they don't know who they are.

Bauchi state govt had to relocate the LG headquarters from that town because muslims could not enter. These people are the reason why any christian can have a political voice in Bauchi state today. They are just 10% of the state, but the entire state has ganged up against them, yet they still survive and are fluorishing.
When I meet with their people and see the kind of fire and passion coming out from them, I am shocked. I tell myself, if only all northern christian tribes can be like them, then Nigeria might have divided or had another civil war from our area.

Meanwhile you still see Hausa fulanis dealing with some tribes in Plateau & Taraba even though these are christian dominated states.

God forbid for us to have a movement and not include people like the Sayawas of Southern Bauchi. It's just like saying Igbo land without Asaba because Asaba is in the SS.

Some of our tribes, like those of us in Plateau were just lucky to find ourselves in Christian dominated states, it doesn't mean all of us are as brave or committed to self determination compared to other tribes in muslim dominated states.


Just to clear you where you mentioned Sokoto christians.
There are millions of indigenous Hausa-fulani christians in Zaria (Northern Kaduna), Kano, Katsina & Jigawa, but they are not included in our struggle because they do not belong to tribes.
Infact I was shocked to discover that there are a sizeable number of Kanuri christians, however, they are still not part of us.

Look at the pictures below. I always knew there were christians in Southern Yobe, but I never knew they even existed in Central Yobe, Bauchi north and Bauchi central in large numbers to the extent they even contest for elections of House of assembly in their state constituencies.

Now mind you, most of these christians belong to tribes like Bade, Affade, Ngizim, Bolewa e.t.c. They are not Hausa-fulanis or Kanuris, however, they are not usually included in our movement. Simply because all these areas have been overtaken by the caliphate and the majority of their muslim indigenes have mixed up and are inseperable from Hausa-fulanis.

Potiskum the largest town in Yobe state have the Ngizim people as the indigenes and owners of the town. Ngizim people are majority christian, however, their indigenous muslims have combined with Hausa-fulani and Kanuri muslim settlers and silenced the christians there. Nobody claims Potiskum as a middlebelt area.

However, you see Southern Borno tribes? These ones still know who they are. The majority of them are christians. They are nextdoor neighbours and same people with Adamawa & Southern Gombe.
Shani is in southern Borno and it is closer to Plateau state than Madagali that is in Adamawa but closer to Chad. Don't let the names of states deceive you.

The current leader of one of the most powerful national middlebelt forums championing the unity of the South & middlebelt is a Kibaku man from Southern Borno.
So, when you see us classifying certain areas as part of us, we know what we are doing.

hammerD:
LET ME BE HONEST WITH YOU HERE.

MANY PARTS OF THE MIDDLE BELT DO NOT BELONG IN THE NORTH BUT RATHER THE SOUTH.

HOW DO U JUSTIFY KWARA, A YORUBA PEOPLE BEING IN THE NORTH.

OR OUR IGALA COUSINS BEING IN THE NORTH.

IDOMA THAT THEIR NAMES LOOK IGBO BEING IN THE NORTH.

U NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND UNDERSTAND COMPLEXITY OF MATTERS.

IF U SIMPLIFY, U ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR A GREAT FALL.

Thank you very much.
In my opinion, Kwara, Kogi & Benue have no business being in the north.
These people are more southern, by culture, by history, by geography, by linguistic similarities, by mentality and almost everything else.

The British colonial masters were just promoting Hausa fulani interests in a large and oversized Northern Nigeria which they should control. Otherwise, Nupes and all Nupe speaking tribes, Baribas & Ebiras should have been classified together with Yorubas. While Igalas, Idomas & Igedes and maybe Tivs, should have been classified with Igbos.
Parts of Igala land were under the southern protectorate under Onitsha province in the past actually, before they were transferred to the north.

An Idoma or Igala christian in Katsina state is identified and addressed as an Inyamiri (Igbo).

Most of these people do not even have the mentality of being northerners, that's why an Igala or Idoma man leaving his village and travelling to Kano will tell you that he is travelling to the NORTH.

Igalas call hausas and northerners AKECHI (meaning people who speak strange languages). They can never call the Igbos or Yorubas with that name cos as long as they are concerned, they are familiar with these people.

This is why Benue & Kogi people can never fit into the same picture that those of us from Plateau, Nasarawa & Southern Kaduna fit into. We are very different from each other and this is why a joint middlebelt struggle has been a monumental failure.