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Iamgrey5:
Mr Nowenuse please point the publication by any Yoruba media that tagged igbos ritualist.


Or all the ways you keep slendering Yorubas for no reason without any prove on this thread from the onset i.e. calling Yorubas cowards or backstabbers etc.

If you like be igbo friendly or anything you feel like tagging yourself, but please stop slendering the names of the Yorubas we are not your problem.

Very soon, yorubas and Igbos on this thread will combine to eat me raw

I think the only time I remember calling Yorubas cowards is in the case of Jos crisis. Of course, it was the truth.
Yorubas never defend themselves against Hausa-fulanis in the north, but Igbos do.

Nasarawa Gong area of Jos has been settled by Yorubas since precolonial times. That was the land the British gave to Yoruba tin mining workers.
Yorubas easily lost this place to Hausas in the Jos crisis without a showdown.

Look at Sabongari in Kano. It is the safe haven for non indigenes in Kano city. It happened because of the Igbos.
Hausa muslims cannot invade that place no matter what happens. There was an area that used to be dominated by Yorubas in Kano (I've forgotten the name). That area was almost wiped out when Hausas attacked Yorubas in retaliation for the Shagamu crisis.

Can you explain this to me?

garfield, see your Akwa Ibom oo. Didn't I tell you?

MelesZenawi:
Trash of highest degree.

You are a bigger trash if you cannot disprove the above mentioned points with superlative and salient facts.

Pazienza is right in what he projected. Don't get it twisted. He looks at everything only on Igbo perspective.

You on the other hand creates imaginary minority theories.

Pazienza's problem is his problem.
How do I on the other hand create imaginary minority theories? Can you elaborate?

Can't you see that you the one deviating. He is looking at Igbo nation not all these your Nigeria tower of Babel.

Well, your fore fathers agreed to the establishment of the tower of babel. They also spearheaded the centralization of the political power of this tower and withdrew the option of secession for members of this tower.

Finally maybe is like telling those in America and other countries to go back. Same Nigeria dirty theory of evil minds.

If I can pay my taxes, foot my bills and obey your laws that what matters. The rest are normal Nigeria dirty minds.

Did Trump (the president) not tell that silly Somali woman lawmaker to go back to Somalia when she was talking ill about the US? Don't white American supremacists tell everyone else to go back? You can't be badmouthing me and still enjoying the milk and honey of my land.

Igbos in their tens of thousands apply for admissions and study in Universities in other states. They get jobs in the civil services of other states. Opportunities you people will never give to others in your states.

Many Igbo traders in some states do not pay any tax and they trade and freely make profit.
We all know that the taxation system in Nigeria as a whole is weak.

Iamgrey5:
Your problem is simply because you have spent a whole lot of time with igbos you begin believe their lies.

If I accept all Igbo lies, then I wouldn't have been debating and antagonizing them here. Or are you not seeing my comments on this thread against them?

First of all, University of Ibadan started in 1948 as university of college Ibadan but it was actually a degree awarding university. Yaba tech which was established much earlier was an institution which awarded certificates not university college Ibadan.. (Note: there's difference between the first indigenous university and first university in Nigeria)

I don't understand what you are arguing here.
UI started out as a college of the University of London, while Yaba the first tertiary institution was just an ordinary college and people did not get a BSc from it. This was why staff and students were transferred from Yaba college to University of London's college in Ibadan.
Until 1963 did UI become a full fledged university of it's own.
What we are arguing about is a full fledged university and not a college of another university.

Secondly, can you please list the igbo educational achievers you are talking about, especially the ones that put Yoruba's educational achievers in second position.

Prof Kenneth Dike who was the first VC of UI was the first Nigerian professor of History.
Prof Vincent Nwuga, first Nigerian prof of Physiotherapy.
HRH Prof Chike Edozien, first prof of Physiology.
Prof Eni Njoku, first prof of Botany
Prof Dennis Ugwuegbu, first prof of Psychology
e.t.c

Thirdly, the igbos have only five state in which they absolutely dominate by population elsewhere they are minority, whereas Yorubas dominante 7 states and are strong minority in kogi state. Hence, it is not uncommon to find three of igbo states (Imo, Anambra and Abia) topping jamb admission on most occasions followed by the remaining seven seven Yoruba states (Oyo, Kwara, Osun, Lagos, Ekiti, Ondo and Ogun state) .


Please bring out this overall ranking by states by various bodies, let us break them down into actual figures.

Like I said earlier, massage the Egos of igbos all you want but please stick to the facts alone and not hearsay.

This is the only point I may agree with you.

However, Igbos are not a minority in Rivers state. Igbo speaking tribes dominate 10- 12 of the 23 LGAs in the state.
In Delta state, they are about ⅓ of the population. The Urhobos are also within the same range, so there is no clear majority in the state, so we really cannot say Igbos are a minority in either Delta or Rivers state.

pazienza:
Boxed into corner? Are you for real, where, when and how? You must be hallucinating bro. Quote you as in how? I quoted you when needed. My message you quoted was meant for Igbos who have started to think you and your likes Igbophobia can be avoided. It was targeted at making the picture clearer to them.

If you feel touched by the post. You could have easily picked them apart and refute them all, but you couldn't, so you came up with a dismissive rant.

Can't you see how you reason in a twisted way?
You picked a single sentence from my last 2 replies to Yujin to make a stupid emotional outburst. Why didn't you respond to my entire post?
You were the one who started evading my factual replies to engage in emotional outbursts, I also evade your post now to call you am emotional sissy and here you are crying foul.

Yujin has been responding to my detailed posts also in great detail and in a mature manner, but you, what have you done?
Menstruating sissy filled with mood swings.

Israel is surrounded by many nations and yet have no good rapport with any of them. Arabs and Persians fight themselves yet when it comes to Israel, they all align. Sometimes it's like that.

Israel has good reasons for being hated by their neighbours. They are invaders who invaded the area. All their neighbours are mostly muslim and Arab.
This was why I asked you to tell me what common factor unites all Igbo neighbours for them to dislike Igbos?
Or did Igbos invade them in the past like Israelis did? What a stupid analogy.

I don't understand what you mean by Igbos not having good rapport with minorities. That's a rather vague statement? What sort of rapport are you speaking of? Do Plateau minorities have rapport with Your Hausa neighbours? I remember you were in another thread crying about Hausa domination in Jos.
You amuse me.

Hausa fulanis are only disliked by their christian neighbours. They are however loved by their muslim minority neighbours.
Some of these neighbours have even culturally integrated with them. Most of these minorities have their largest populations outside their homelands living in Hausa land.

Ebiras are one of the minority groups neighbouring Yorubas and approx 500,000 of them live in Yoruba villages all over Ondo, Ekiti, Oyo & Kwara. Many have been integrated into Yoruba culture.
Same with the Nupes (northern neighbours of Yoruba) who yorubas call Tapa.
Even Urhobos who are direct neighbours of Igbos are many in Yoruba villages settled and integrating.

How many Igalas, Idomas, Ogojas, Ijaws, Ibibios, Ogonis, Urhobos/Isokos & Edos are settled and integrating in Igbo land?
How many of them are admitted/ employed in Igbo universities & civil services?
Did the whole Nigeria not witness Abia state govt sacking all Imo state indigenes in their civil service?

How exactly were you able to refute my argument of many multiethnic cities today being former capitals of multi ethnic entities (States, empires, etc) ? I didn't get your rebuttal on that. Not to talk about the other point of FG deliberate DE industrialization of SE by starving her of many important factors of production.
You take pleasure in indulging in self deceit it would appear.

I rebutted this by giving you Kano. The most cosmopolitan city in Nigeria after Lagos.
And I asked you, was Kano the capital of a multi ethnic state? What FG institutions were established in Kano?

I gave you Benin, Jos, Ilorin & Maiduguri and you said these places were former capitals of multi ethnic states, true. But these cities have tribes outside their previous states.
Benin, Jos & Maiduguri have lots of Yorubas, Hausas & SE Igbos and I ask, were these 3 tribes part of old Bendel, Benue-Plateau or North-east states?

Lol! You are a newbie as far as NL debates are involved. I have been in NL debate trenches for 12years and counting. What exactly do you think you can offer that I haven't faced before and dealt with?
Anyway, I'm too busy these days and might not always be quick with replies, but I will still reply when I can and if a post is worth my precious little time.

Pointless rants from a teenage girl menstruating for the first time
I have been on nairaland for more than 6 years, but that is very pointless.

Stop patronizing Yujin. On the day you lots massacred Igbos in Makurdi and beyond, you didn't spare Yujin or Pazienza.
You are only angry that I have refused to have your Igbo hating self lure him into fighting your battles with your Hausa/Fulani brothers in the other thread and have continued to ensure that him and other innocent Igbos out there don't embrace you and your kind, in the name of nonsense Christianity label.

Wail on, I'm only just starting.

See, I have never begged Igbos anywhere in the name of christianity. It was an Igbo person that first made the comment here that christians are suffering in Nigeria because of neglect of Igbos. All I did was to corroborate the statement, but you are now talking rubbish as if I opened a thread to start begging Igbos in the name of christianity.

You are here spewing and promoting hatred against people who are accommodating and hosting millions of your people in their lands and giving them academic and job opportunities in their states whereas your own people do not give shii to anybody else.

Igbo people can freely live, do business and succeed in most parts of Jos & Kaduna cities because of my people who have bled keeping these places.
Do you know that the same Igbos still betray our people sometimes? Hausa-fulanis know that our people will never sell lands for them, so they sometimes use Igbo middlemen to get these lands.

An Igbo man killed his Ijaw girlfriend in Bayelsa and the Ijaw natives went on an attack and looting spree against Igbo traders. Have you ever heard anything of such thing in our territories? Yet you guys still beg and stand behind Ijaws to your cause.

Middlebelters have openly apologized for their role in the Nigerian civil war against Biafrans, the Niger deltan minorities and even the Ikwerres & Ikas whom you guys beg to join your fold, none of these people have apologized for their roles in the sabotage of Biafra and abandoned property saga.
Na our body una dey get power ba?

Our people have never begged Igbos to help us fight our battles and we will never do so by the grace of God.
However, Igbos have paid for our battles.
Do you remember the Yelwa-Shendam 2006 crisis in Plateau state where Hausa muslims were dealt with and driven out from Shendam LGA in their thousands? Guess what? Hausa fulani muslims in Kano could not bare it anymore and they descended on christians in Kano state of which Igbos were the major victims.
Of course, Igbos are the most easily identifiable christians in the core-north. Most of my people who live in the core-north can easily blend in and escape being identified.

Only very very foolish people spread hatred to people who host your people in millions and people whose actions and inactions directly affect millions of your people.

My advice for you is to first of all campaign for all Igbos to leave other parts of Nigeria and return back home, then you can go ahead and spew all the hatred you have in you against these tribes.
Your failure to do this and your continous spewing of hate makes you a suicide bomber to your own people.

Yujin:
Hello Gidgiddy. It seems you're too bothered over something as little as this. It shows your level of desperation. She's just 10yrs old and barely knows the dynamics of what she said. You can't fault her a bit. Calling Okowa here will not solve anything. The best antidote to such identities comes from us (Igbos from the SE). It is us that will give them the confidence to identify as Igbos without appending any other differential identity. If we accept and treat them exactly as we would treat Igbos of the SE, then naturally they will drop that name and there won't be any difference. I know that lots of us unconsciously differentiate them that's why they usually identify themselves like that. It's a gradual process. I've been able to work this out with a couple of matured Igbos from Delta who hitherto won't want to be called Igbos plainly. I used the same strategy as I mentioned here and over time they've blended in now and confidently speak Igbo with the rest of us. You know some of their Igbo words differ from the consensus ones we use. I encouraged them to gradually use those ones as we also had to give up our own dialectical words for the general ones we all use now. Never did I laugh at some of their little different words. Today, we relate better and they openly enjoy their Igbo heritage. The work lies with us bro.

I really really admire your approach to issues.
Nice.

From what I see, all of this can only lead to regrets on the part of Tinubu and all Yorubas.

And this time around will not be like 1993 when other Southerners and middlebelters were there to support them against the injustice of the core-north.

Iamgrey5:
@ embloden

Please point to any fact that suggest that igbos are actually more educated than Yorubas.

If people believed Yorubas are more educated. it is because Yorubas actually dominated the education sector in the early days of Nigerian history and we were actually the first to produce most educational professionals like First Nigerian Lawyer and doctors. Even my family produced the first woman professor of law and the first female senator in Nigeria.

We also had the free education which Awolowo championed.

We also housed the first university in Nigeria.

Please tell me any of those that the social media have busted as fake news or not true.


And we don't need anyone praises or validation, we are quite fine the way we are.

UNN was the first full fledged university in Nigeria. This is one lie that has been busted. UI is not the first university in Nigeria. However, it can be called the first tertiary institution in Nigeria.

Igbos also have many pioneer academic achievers. I have seen the list of pioneer academicians in Nigeria and Igbos were very many on that list too.

The list of Jamb & WAEC registration and results by states and individuals have seen Igbo states ahead of Yoruba states since the last few years. Even overall ranking of literacy rates of states by several bodies have seen Igbos to be higher.
Ekiti state was always claimed to have the highest number of professors in Nigeria, but Imo state has more as we have seen.

pazienza:
I exposed you and your kind hypocrisy, and this is your rebuttal?

Nothing emotional about my post. It's actually a pragmatic post made with intent to harden the hearts of Ndiigbos against anything non Igbo in Nigeria, their opinions and sentiments towards us. Because, it simply doesn't matter.

What matters is what we make out of ourselves.

You exposed me? How laughable

Same you who I boxed to every corner with hard facts, then you run away and avoid quoting me? Why don't you quote me for a head to head debate?

You could not explain to us why Igbos (the only majority tribe in Nigeria surrounded by minority tribes on all frontiers), yet they do not have a good relationship with all these tribes.

You people do not accommodate these minorities in your states. You don't give them admissions and job opportunities in your states, yet you collect from theirs.

You tried to excuse yourself by claiming that all other Nigerian cities had federal govt presence and were old capital cities hence their being more cosmopolitan than Igbo cities. I clearly exposed you on this one and you ran away.

If you think you can challenge me to a debate, quote me back and let me deal with you here. Nonsense.

Read Yujin's comments and learn from him how he responds on behalf of Igbos in a more enlightened and mature way, unlike you who comments like a lady who has been experiencing ceaseless menstrual flow, cramps and mood swings for a month non-stop.

Igbosmoker:
like someone said on this thread you're are just a benin hater.

Which one is "prostitution is the major reasons Benin's travel out"? So over 300,00 Benin's abroad are in prostitution? We can also agree illegal drugs are the reason Igbo's travel out and fraud is the reason Yoruba travel out of Nigeria.

You mention negative things about Benin's like witchcraft but failed to mention ijaws are known for militancy and drunkenness.

When o said Benin's are the most progressive minority tribes it included all the minority tribes both Fulani,tiv,idoma etc.

Ijaw, urhobo, Ibibio have and control over 90% of Nigeria oil but what have they achieved with it? Nothing.

Okay let's look at Edo south(Benin region)

Airport is present
Federal university
Stadium
Museum
Many states polytechnic
World class hospital
Eateries own by Benin's
Super markets

Don't forget they control Nigeria rubber, palm oil industries and many multi national companies are present there.

I challenge you to mention any minority with these development in their region

I never said all the Benins overseas were into prostitution. What I said was that prostitution was the original intent for the majority of your ladies who travelled abroad. Or do you want to dispute this?
Most of them after prostituting their way to financial freedom of course begin normal lives, get married, have children, invite their siblings over through more legal means and some even become very successful there.

Igbos and Yorubas mostly travelled abroad for education and asylum seeking. Those who travel for drugs and internet fraud are in the minority and began later on after the first set.

Edo ladies are now taking prostitution to other west african nations like Mali, Ghana, Burkina Faso e.t.c or will you deny this one too?

Benin became a large urban center largely because it was the first capital city of an independent minority region (since 1964). No sane mind will ever attribute it to an innovative nature from the Benin natives. Otherwise, with all the Benin diaspora, how well is the city faring today when it comes to innovation?

You are listing airports, federal universities, museum. Things built by the federal and state govts which other states also have? Even Jigawa state which most Nigerians cannot locate on a map has an international airport that is far superior to the Benin airport.

There are 2 private universities in Benin land and this is the only area I'd say the Benins are trying, however one of them is owned by the corrupt Igbenedion family. This family also owns Kada (the now 2nd best shopping mall/eatery/cinema).
Market square which is owned by an Anioma man is now the number 1 destination in Benin.
Filmhouse cinemas & Nadia Bakery/shopping mall in Uniben area are not owned by Benins.
Phil Hallmark is the only reputable venture I know in Benin owned by a Benin man who doesn't have questionable money.

Maybe you can list the reputable ventures established by the Benin diaspora.

I lived in Benin for almost 10 years and I usually see these Benin diaspora who sometimes return home. You find them with dirty bleached skin and tattoos, ear rings and multiple piercings in their ears, nose and mouth. That is all they do.
Of course, there are reasonable ones among them, but the unreasonable ones are the overwhelming majority.

If the Benins were a very enterprising and innovative people. Benin would have been a hub of innovation in Nigeria. The Benin diaspora would have been bringing back home so much innovation from abroad.
This also clearly proves the fact that most Benins abroad did not come from educated backgrounds who went abroad for a better education. Rather cultists and prostitutes who trekked across the sahara and through the meditarranean sea.

You are comparing Ijaw militancy with Edo prostitution, trafficking and witchcraft?
Militancy was born out of the desire to self determination and assertion of self rights.

Iamgrey5:
Mr Nowenuse please point the publication by any Yoruba media that tagged igbos ritualist.


Or all the ways you keep slendering Yorubas for no reason without any prove on this thread from the onset i.e. calling Yorubas cowards or backstabbers etc.

If you like be igbo friendly or anything you feel like tagging yourself, but please stop slendering the names of the Yorubas we are not your problem.

Lol, what you are asking me to do is just like asking me to point to the publication that claims that Yorubas are the most educated tribe in Nigeria.

Not until the rise of social media, most Nigerians believed and still till today believe that Yorubas are more educated than Igbos. However, social media has heavily disproved that.

I am actually pro-everybody and anti-everybody. I never fail to point out the merits and demerits of every ethnic group in Nigeria.
Am I not the same person praising yorubas for being very accommodating and criticizing Igbos on this same thread?

I belong to everybody and I belong to nobody (in Buhari's voice ).

garfield1:
You see,you are following verbal hearsays from comedians and thirdparties and not eye witness account.me i live among ibibios so i know.in calabar and ph,half of my neighbors are ibibios.

Well, have you lived with the Urhobos? I'm not talking of one or 2 urhobos you meet occasionally in PH. I'm talking of living in an Urhobo community.

Like I said, the fact that Urhobos were never seen among the list of top minority ethnic groups in colonial censuses but today are a large minority ethnic group clearly shows you the extent of their population explosion through high birthrates in recent decades.

pazienza:
Lol! The sins of Igboman is unpardonable. He is condemned for acting and for not acting. He can't catch a breath.

He decides to look after his brothers. People say he is too tribalist and hateful of others. Other groups do same, we are told that those groups are sophisticated and play better politics.

The Igbo decides to not embrace his own brothers, but to embrace outsiders whose interest aligned with his, like Jim against Ekwueme in PDP primaries of 1999. People will say Igbos are foolish and will remain backward in politics, because they cannot act as one. Others do same, they are praised for being detribalized and being pan Nigerian.

You see, it's a case the man, his wife and the horse. There is no winning the Nigerian prejudice for that Igbo man. The enlightened ones among us know this, hence our violently Igboist stand. We are never going to please our prejudiced detractors, why waste effort on such stupid venture when we can invest in fortifying the Igbo nation against their prejudice by establishing a very visible line between us and them and then defending those lines vigorously.

Someone said Igbo not speaking Igbo language outside Igboland is a mark of inferiority complex.
You see the issue we are dealing with.
If as Igbo you start speaking Igbo outside Igboland with another Igbo and in midst of other non Igbos, the Non Igbos become apprehensive and feel threatened,you will be accused of being tribal with sinister plans. I have been a victim of this many times. Their mood change whenever I see an Igbo and start speaking with him in Igbo. But when other non natives do same, no one feel threatened.
Nigerians have carefully created a scenario where the Igbo must be guilty no matter what he does. Guilty of not being united if tries to play non tribal politics, and guilty of being tribalists should he play tribal politics. Guilty of being a supremacist and not integrating with host communities,and having sinister plans should he insist on communicating in Igbo language outside Igbo land.
Guilty of having inferiority complex and not liking Igbo language if he decides to converse in English or his host language instead of Igbo.

It's a lose-lose situation for an Igbo man as long as Nigeria is concerned,the blame game has been rigged to always make sure he has something to apologize for. This is why I remain strongly anti Nigeria and pro Igbo(Biafra).

Stop being a petty emotional sissy.
Go and read Yujin's comments and see how he engages other non Igbos in debates in a more mature and healthy way.

You need to grow up mentally.

Besides, nobody is saying you should be pro Nigeria. I am very much Anti Nigeria too, but I am not anti-Nigerians. There is a big difference between the two.

Yujin:
Most of what you wrote here is true but I'll have to correct some wrong assumptions.

I admire your reply to issues from a very rational perspective, unlike people like Pazienza who are emotional wrecks Dialogue has always been one of the most powerful tools of human existence. People like Pazienza if they become the leaders of a group of people can easily lead those people to quick destruction due to emotions. If he is your friend, you really have to talk to him cos his mindset will do no good for your people.
People have labelled me an Igbo man here on nairaland times without number cos I am very pro Igbo compared to the other 3 major ethnic groups. I strongly believe that my people from the middlebelt/northern christians, the Niger deltans and Igbos really need to work together in order to chart a new course as our interests are alligned one way or the other.

As to language inferiority, it is not true. Igbos don't feel inferior speaking their language freely. You fail to realize the level of psychological suppression the Nigerian government placed on the Igbos. There's this look that great Igbos whenever they speak their language outside the territory they dominate especially in the north and no one can tell what can happen to him or her after identifying yourself through your language hence most of them speak English coupled with the accusations against Igbos of trying to force others to speak their language.

Well, I think you have a very good point with this. I might have used the wrong word in describing this situation. I never meant it in an insulting way. Oftentimes, I have praised this attribute of Igbos because it is one which is more accomodating of outsiders into their circle. Like I said, when I was in university, my closest circle of friends were Igbos, but whenever I was in their midst, they spoke English among themselves to accomodate me. If it were Yorubas or Hausas, they would never do that.
However, I don't think this attribute lies solely on the reason you stated above.
Times without number, you hear Igbos complain of how the Igbo language is dying, even in the Igbo home land and not outside. I have seen Igbos who were born and bred in the east, but claim that their parents only spoke English to them at home.
To me, I see it that Igbos have the highest propensity for Westernization and to embrace Western values among the big 3 tribes, probably because of their being 100% christians.
Otherwise, how do you also explain the fact that Igbos give english names to their children compared to Yoruba christians?

Did you notice that until recently, most Igbo musicians of contemporary music rather infuse Yoruba or Hausa into their music? It is because of what I told you. Do you notice even in the clothes most Igbo politicians and celebs wear until recent? It is because of the same thing. The moment an Igbo man tries to assert his own culture, he becomes a suspect and is termed dominating.

Like I said, there is strong truth in this. People tend to be very suspecting of the Igbo man compared to the other big 3 tribes and this suspicion comes from stereotypes, some of which have some foundation of truth and some of which are lies which have been propagated for decades by the Yoruba-dominated media.
Social media has come to expose most of these agelong lies. For example, most Nigerians somehow have this belief that Igbos are into ritual killings the most, however it has been proven that Yorubas are the masters here. I always correct people on this notion.

Secondly, I think the average Igbo musician of before may be putting more Yoruba & Hausa words in their music because they were not born and bred in Igbo land. Check a lot of succesful Igbo musicians today, they were not born and bred in Igbo land. The likes of Flavour & Phyno who are unapologetically Igbos in their music were born and bred in Igbo land. This is a major contributing factor.
Another thing is the longtime domination and the presence of the music industry in Yoruba land (Lagos). Even musicians from the Niger delta and the Middlebelt had to to infuse Yoruba words into their music. And as we can see today, everyone puts all the major languages in their music. Wizkid, Davido, Rema e.t.c put Igbo words in their music and they are not Igbos.

As for discrimination, my people do this a lot and as you rightly pointed out, it is not specific to others. We even do it to ourselves which is most worrisome. Hopefully, we will get over it soon. I believe it is born out of our highly competitive nature.
You see Pazienza is my friend, brother and comrade but in this particular case I'll fault him although I understand his fears.

Hmm, I understand the fears of Igbos too to an extent and that is why I always call them out for being very emotional. So many times on social media, I have seen Igbos celebrate killings in the middlebelt, claiming it is a retribution for what we did to them during the civil war. The average person from my region may react and even hate Igbos more for saying something like that, but I will never do that because I understand where these people are coming from.

I lived in Jos and the relationship with the natives was not all rosy as we had to tolerate a lot too from unwarranted name callings to outright abuses but we were able to look at the brighter side and didn't have to condemn the indigenes. We noticed that ignorance was a huge reason for the numerous misrepresentations which most of you fail to factor in when Igbos are being discussed. After some events, most of them(natives) were apologizing to us for their actions and rightly blamed it on ignorance. We had no choice but to forgive.

You see, you and I seem to have a better understanding of people on both sides perhaps because we lived outside our homelands. This is one problem Nigeria has. Citizens who grew up and live most of their lives within their ethnic homelands tend to be more myopic, sentimental and unreasonable when dealing with others.
I lived most of my life in the south, with Niger deltan minorities and Igbos. I also have my good and bad stories to tell.

It still doesn't mean that once in a while I don't get to see some Plateau indigenes who hate Igbos but I know better to isolate those instances from the pervading present situation. The fear of a relapse in critical times is what Pazienza fears hence still painting you all in one brush. I can assure you that Igbos are a very nice people who unfortunately are sending most times the wrong vibes. Igbo are republicans and that makes them to have independent mindsets. Meet the positive minded one and enjoy a world hard to see. Meet the negative one, and have your heart filled with pains.

You don't need to tell me this. I have met and lived with good and bad Igbos. An Igbo guy from Ebonyi was a foster child to my parents. We were church members so he moved into our home and lived with us for almost 10 years. He even followed us down to our village in Plateau state and knows us through & through. Living in a place like Delta state, you cannot escape the influence and presence of Igbos, so I think I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly to a great extent.

As a people, we can hardly fit into the description most of you expect because it's never going to happen. See someone like Aguiyi Ironsi who would never listen to the advice of his fellow Igbo brothers to make his security aides to be from his own people but rather chose to remain professional. It cost him his life and placed all Igbos where we are today. See someone like Nzeogwu who everyone believes had a genuine plan for Nigeria but was betrayed by Ifeajuna who was so selfish. See someone like Ojukwu who I believed was the most misunderstood man of all. He sacrificed a lot from being pro Nigeria to having to lead a brutalized people at a very young age. Wealth was never a problem for him and he was on his way up the ladder to personal fame. He would have been a great leader if he had led a country. He was highly pan African and know the prejudice Africans faced. See how divers minded we are but to you all, we collectively want to dominate you. This is why I choose Biafra over Nigeria because that suspicion will always be there and Igbos will never change into the description most of you expect. Do you see what happened during the days SE dominated the Senate Presidency? It was all individual assertions. If Igbos are rightly integrated into Nigeria, all that's needed is for others to support the particular Igbo man against another suspected of being too ethnocentric. But thinking to suppress all Igbos simply because some of them appeared domineering will see to the continues rejection of Nigeria just as it stands today. If all Igbos were dominating like most you think, then we would have dominated all the surrounding minority tribes around us but it hasn't been so.

In Nigeria, nobody can really fit into anybody's description of who they want him to be.
All Nigerians are tired of Fulanis, but are they willing to change in order to accomodate the rest of us?

What we are saying is that nothing goes for nothing in life and there is no smoke without a fire.
Igbos never want to take blames for their actions and inactions.
If I see my contemporary enjoying something that I am not, instead of witch-hunting him, I could try to see what he is doing and I am not.

As a northern minority, I and fellow minds have sat down to analyze what the southern minorities have done and are still doing that gives them better national representation compared to us. And based on this, we have come up with tangible solutions.

Why don't we sit down and cry all day blaming the colonial masters who tried to forcefully Hausanize and Islamize us in connivance with the caliphate for the sake of administrative convenience? Southern minorities never experienced forceful colonial assisted Igbonization or Yorubanization. They never experienced indirect rule unlike us whose independent ethnic groups were forced under the rulership of islamic emirates.

Southern minorities have oil which also makes them very relevant.

However, we do not sit down to cry about this misfortune and to hate and witch-hunt all other Nigerians for our predicament.


Truly, Igbos have shown themselves to be more accomodating and supportive of others politically, and this to a large extent has rallied most Nigerian minorities to their side politically.
Most Southern minorities and Northern minorities now vote in the same line with Igbos and these people will readily support an Igbo candidate over a Yoruba or Hausa candidate.

If a war should ensue in Nigeria today between the Igbos and Hausas or Yorubas, most minorities will readily support Igbos over the other two.
For the subject of Biafra/seccession, I see absolutely nothing wrong in this agitation. Infact, I support it and in the nearest future, I hope to influence my people to support it too.

Southern minorities (except Edo people) know deep down in their hearts that Igbos are their best allies in Nigeria, but the thought of having a new country with Igbos never sits down well with them because of fear of the unknown and past memories of living under Igbo rule and domination in the old Eastern region.

From what I see, only the support of Middlebelt minorities for Biafra can give the Niger deltans a trust for Biafra, as they would no longer see absolute Igbo domination of the movement.

saajus:
Thanks for the questions.
Yes, I am useful to my community
Yes, I clear my drainage and even sweep my street. I don't do it alone, I encourage other youths to join me on Saturdays.
You cannot even see indiscriminate waste dumps in my area cos I have made every youth in my area very responsible.
You must be a Prophet, how do you know I'm poor?
Just google endowment funds of Ivy League Universities in advanced countries. Nations are not only built by the Government. Many of those beautiful things u see in advanced countries are not only built by Govt. I emphasized in my previous post that it is the duty of Govt to build schools but the majority of our Elites are not playing their roles. They are very useless. They prefer buying houses and luxurious cars. It's only in Nigeria that I see people so foolish enough to buy cars and not thinking of the road where they will be driving them on. A few weeks ago, people are helping a rich guy push Lamborghini Aventador worth $350k-$400k out of water in Lekki. Can you even use 20% Lambo features on Naija roads? That's how foolish some of them are. Warren Buffet donated two-third of his wealth to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Bill Gates uses over $1B of his money to eradicate polio in Nigeria, a country where he has zero ties with. Even 95% of us are using fake Windows OS. So, wetin e gain from us. A 72 yr old billionaire Atiku from Adamawa is waiting to become a President before he can contribute something very meaningful to society. A dream he may or may not achieve in his lifetime. 72 yr old in Naija na overtime, our life expectancy is 52. That means, he's closer to the grave than earth. I can list 5 Billionaires from that Adamawa State that can fix their education sector. Are we taking this money to heaven? Can we sleep in 2 houses at the same time? Can one person finish a cow in a day?
We still need to keep criticizing our Govt but our Elites must also wake up. The poor will revolt someday and it may be brutal to all of us that think we are safe.

A revolution would have happened long ago in Nigeria, but it may never happen because our politicians know how to divide the masses by using religion and ethnicity.

Northern masses will never want to protest or join a revolution when their own is in power. Vice versa.

A revolution can hardly ever happen in Nigeria no matter the level of poverty and suffering.

Wiifesnatcher:
to be frown and candid I have no pity for average northerners until they quit seeing politics and religion as a Normal phenomenon and traditions


the school is definitely like that preelection, didn't they foolishly lined up to vote ?



them never start from that side. average northerners are tools in the hand of their politicians



someone asked why Nigeria is not progressing in Buhari's regime and I said because he's still living in 18th century. a human living in 18th century ruling on the majority who are already in 21 century and you expect progress? a total failure at that

As you can see the girls without hijab, most of the children are christians.
Adamawa christians as most northern christians do not vote in the same line with the core-north.
They are just very unfortunate to be sharing the same region with Hausa-fulanis.

Muslim children their age and of their background are all in almajiri schools while the girls are hawking. These ones go to school against all odds.

valarmorghulis:
Keep deceiving yourself, have you guys forgotten that obasanjo a southerner defeated Buhari twice? If pdp like, led them field both northerner as president and VP, apc will still defeat them

1999 elections were a gift to Yorubas from the north to compensate 1993.
Such can never happen again.

It's like people don't know how Nigerian voters have been heavily divided by religion and ethnicity since the past few years.

In the past, people never complained about a muslim-muslim ticket. But now, even in states belonging to the same tribe, they complain.

PassingShot:
But the North has indeed proved on many occasions not to be as greedy as we in the south portray them.

The north voted overwhelmingly for MKO despite having Bashir Tofa as a presidential candidate in NRC just to prove that they knew voting MKO was the fair thing to do.

The north voted OBJ and GEJ against northern candidates just because they knew that was the fair thing to do.

From history, while we in the south are always quick to shout "born to rule mentality of the north" we are actually showing that we do not mind cutting our nose to spite our face by wanting PDP to go north just to wrestle power back from APC even though we know that isn't the fair thing to do.

What happens to PDP giving their ticket to SE and APC to SW while they both pick their running mates from any zone in the north to make the contest interesting and fair? After all, SE is traditionally for PDP while SW is slightly for APC.

In your 3rd paragraph, you said the north voted GEJ? Are you talking of the north of Oyo state or the north of Nigeria?
Mention one muslim dominated core-northern state that GEJ ever won.
You ppl just come here to say rubbish.

Danwakae:
Even at that , No part of OLD KWARA is part of ABUJA which is mainly from Niger state( Gwari and Gbaggi tribes)...Google the land mass to see , I am used to those area , I don't need Google to know that.

Stop arguing blindly. Old Kwara state (Kogi), Old Plateau state (Nasarawa) and Niger states contributed to the lands of Abuja.

Yujin:
Well I was silent on the religious dichotomy of the Yorubas being a contributing factor to their major loss because I know that most Yoruba Muslims killed were actually killed by their fellow Hausa/fulani Muslims. All Christians( settlers and indigenes) hardly attack Yoruba Muslims except in the case where the particular Yoruba was found assisting the Hausa/Fulanis in the attacks. So it still was majorly a one sided attack. Their failure to stand up and defend their territory was sadly their undoing.
You see, one Yoruba here was yapping on how Igbos don't integrate in the north but he failed to realize that integration could be in various levels. To the Hausa and fulanis, integration means joining them to do whatever they're doing even if it is wrong. Yoruba Muslims who though copy Hausas in almost everything but fail to join in the attacks are those either killed or chased away. Those who join in the attacks ended up being killed. Is that what integration is all about? We( I and my friends some of who are Igbos) always joined in the Izere people cultural festival that involves the painting of faces are moving around Jos with dangerous weapons without having to hurt anyone. I can't remember the name of that festival now. We use to chant something like this: ' arom bara, arom batsang x2- yei ni shosh. The drums were loud and rhythmic. It was fun. Even some Yoruba boys used to join. The only people who don't join are the Hausa and fulanis. In fact they detest it but someone here will tell me Igbos don't integrate.

Nice one.
Igbos integrate too, amongst northern christians (Jos & Kaduna) and parts of Yoruba.

Igbos do not integrate with Hausa fulanis because of religion and this is very understandable.

Yoruba muslims are attacked by christians in the north sometimes, but not all the time.
Or are you saying that if a vehicle of Hausa & Yoruba muslims is intercepted in a christian area during crisis, then the Yoruba muslims will be spared?

Igbosmoker:
hmm yet the Benin's are far more progressive than most of other minority tribe with higher population.

With a small size of 10,400 square killometers

Hmm, I don't think I agree with this statement.
Most southern minority groups are as progressive as each other.
I am trying hard to see how Benins are better than Urhobos, Esans, Ijaws, Ibibios e.t.c, but I really cannot see it.
Yes, Benins travel abroad a lot, but prostitution was the major reason many of them were travelling out initially.
Benins bring so much negative stereotypes to the South-South, like Witchcraft and prostitution which they are known for. How progressive is this?

Urhobos have produced the most succesful comedians in Nigeria.
The owner of AIT & Channels Television are both Afemais. Sliverbird an Ijaw. The best musicians from the SS are Ijaw & Urhobo. For the actors, it is evenly balanced across the SS.
Esan people are more enterprising among SS tribes.

Look at Benin city, inspite of the huge diaspora population they posses, there is no strong innovation there compared to other Nigerian cities who do not have a huge diaspora.

This is why I say I am really trying hard to see the aspect in which Benins are more progressive than other SS minorities but I cannot.

Apart from Benson Idahosa, I am yet to see anybody of high reputation to have come out of Benin land. Even the Benson Idahosa, I heard he is an Ika (Igbo) speaking minority from Igbanke axis and not a pure Benin.

Infact if care is not taken, middlebelt tribes like Idoma & Igala can outcompete Benins.

garfield1:
Sorry sir,the ibibios or generally akwa ibom tribes have the highest birth rate in the south.these people are almost exclusively monogamous unlike the urhobos who love polygamy.again,it is very common to see a young akwa ibom girl unmarried with 4-7 kids.these people just love the sight of kids and dislike abortion.

Hmm, are u sure about this? I really don't know the Ibibio family values very well.
You usually hear all these Warri comedians tell you about how they were born 10 children in one room and their sisters also gave birth to additional children in that same room with their parents. Well, this is the reality in many Urhobo families. Although it is gradually changing.

If you notice, Urhobos never appeared among any of the top minority groups in all the colonial ethnic censuses, but today they are very many. This clearly explains the effect of their population explosion through high birthrates in the past few decades.

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This is a state school and the state govt is responsible, not Buhari. So, I don't see how their voting based on tribalism comes in here.

Besides, this school is in Southern Gombe where most people there are christians and do not vote for Buhari.

anienge001:
This is why I don't answer all these people complaining about Nigeria from Abroad.

I can't believe Victor who has lived in Canada for about 10yrs now can still reason this way when given opportunity to serve his people.

Anyway, good luck to him and his appointees!

Are you serious that this man has lived in Canada for 10 years? Do you know him personally?

Ykc2:
Christian in gombe state?is it possible?

Don't be ignorant.
40% of Gombe state are christians.
Gombe south is predominantly christian.

vivalavida:
Is that a black man I am seeing there as the father?

Of course. Can't u see that Drake looks mixed? Or u thought he was a white man?

oilyngbati:
God bless you for these answers . I thought I was the only Igbo that think this way....thank Chukwu that we still have young Igbo like you that have studied nigeria and understand this evil country very well. The non Hausa/Fulani are as much threat to Ndigbo as the hausa/fulani too, hence thesame fate I wish the hausa/fulani is what I wish on these so called christian/muslim SW, NC, SS.
I see myself as Igbo first, before any stupid christian. Your statement below is priceless:

Good for you. Do well to handle your issues with your fellow Northerners or Nigerians. Leave Ndiigbo out of it.
We are Ndiigbo not Christians. Christianity is only a secondary part of us.

pazienza:
Nowenuse:
Modern Igbo are pragmatic. History taught us a great lesson. We see no difference between NN, SS,, WW, NC, SW, NE, etc. Whether Christians or Muslims, you lots are united by Igbophobia. Gowon was a Christian, and the Tiv and Idoma people who ambushed some of us at Makurdi in 1966, were all Christians. You all are same with the Caliphate. So to us, Nigeria is a Muslim dominant country. There is no scaremongering here. This is just us being stone cold plain and acceptance of reality.



Good for you. Do well to handle your issues with your fellow Northerners or Nigerians. Leave Ndiigbo out of it.
We are Ndiigbo not Christians. Christianity is only a secondary part of us.

OMANBALA1:
Gbam...they are united in their hatred towards the Igbo nation.

And if I am to ask you guys. How or what exactly have Igbos done in order to deserve the love of their neighbouring minority tribes?
(Let us even leave out the Yorubas & Hausa-fulanis who are a majority tribe and assume majority rivalry between the big 3 tribes).

Do you guys think love, admiration and respect is just earned like that?

When I was in Uniben, my closest friend was an Oguta boy from Imo state. His father was Esan originally, but even his father grew up in Imo state. His mother was an Oguta indigene and they all grew up in Oguta. So I see absolutely nothing that is Esan about this guy.

This guy was the most Igbotic person in my department. He spoke Igbo better than all the full Igbos in the department, he gives Igbo parables and most times he was always the one that gingers the other Igbos to freely speak Igbo in the class.
(Igbos tend to have a language inferiority complex compared to Yorubas & Hausas). Yorubas & Hausas speak their language anywhere, anytime and anyhow and they don't care.

Whenever I was going to buy electronics in the market, I always take him along. Infact, I had a terrible deal once with an Igbo trader on a product. He was the one who saved my life and got me a better deal by scattering undiluted Igbo for them

Now this guy in his life can never badmouth Igbos or hate Igbos. If he goes to his village in Edo state and he hears his people talking bad about Igbos, he will instantly correct them. This is because he owes his upbringing to Igbo land and feels a certain allegiance and love to the land....

This is one way Hausas & Yorubas heavily win the hearts of other people, especially their neighbouring minority tribes.
They are very welcoming and accomodating of others in their land and they will never discriminate you as long as you integrate into the culture.
This my Oguta friend for example, I'm sure he will never be able to contest and win elections in Imo state because they will always remind him that his father is from Edo state.
Igbos are a very clannish and petty people when it comes to ethnic nationalism. However, if it is Hausas and even to an extent Yoruba, this my friend will easily be accepted, but in Igbo land, an Mbaise man will not even be accepted in Ngwa to lead Ngwa, even if his grandfather was born in Ngwa. How terrible.

I am from Jos and during the Jos crisis, I saw so many Yorubas, Igbos and others who grew up in Jos and were writing very nostalgic pieces about the crisis, enlightening the world about what was happening and mobilizing people for peace.
I never even saw the written piece of a Plateau indigene. Most of these people no longer live in Jos, but they owe their upbringing to Jos and hence their allegiance.
I have met people in the south, who are from the south but grew up in Jos or anywhere around the north and immediately they saw me and knew that I was from Jos, they immediately took me as a brother and had this sense of kinship and trust towards me. They will call me their BROTHER

Likewise me who is from Jos and I grew up in Delta state. Whenever I am outside Delta state and I meet a Deltan. I always feel this sense of kinship.
When I was in Kebbi state for youth service and I heard 2 people speaking Urhobo, I was very excited and I greeted and introduced myself with the little Urhobo I knew I was always patronizing them before others, till I left that place.

Life is a give and take. You cannot reap from where you did not sow.

This is why I ask you Igbos, what exactly have you people done to deserve the love of others?

You are not accomodating and welcoming to strangers, you are not very sociable and free. You people do not intermarry very well. You do not give opportunities to other people in areas you dominate. (Abia state govt sacking all Imo state workers from their civil service comes to my mind).
It is always you people taking from others. Outsmarting and defrauding others in business. Taking advantage of opportunities in people's lands but never giving them in yours e.t.c, yet you always cry of how all other Nigerians are against you or hate you people.

Continue in your self induced pity and delusions or wake up to smell the coffee.

Igbosmoker:
wow sir you are well informed oo.

In your opinion urhobo and Benin which has more population?

Urhobos should be more than the Benins as of today, but in the past it was not so.

Urhobos have the highest birthrates in the South. This is what boosted their population not too long ago. This is why whenever the largest minority tribes were mentioned in any colonial documents you will never find Urhobos anywhere close.

YourNemesis:
Bro not all of Ese Odo LG is of ijoid stock.

Hmm, apart from the Apois & Arogbos, who else is in Ese Odo?
I hope you are not counting the Apois as non-ijoids? These people might have switched to a yoruba dialect, but they themselves and everyone else knows that they are originally Ijaws.

garfield1:
Ethnic profile of bauchi please.hausas dont need to dominate a town where there settlers na l,they will simply spread out.i believe that out of the three districts of the state,hausa dominate one,gwari one and nupe one.saying that muazu aliyu father is hausa and this doesn't mean he is fully hausa betrayed you.is it where his mother or friends come from that he should come from?
I heard immediate past governor abubakar of bauchi is ebira while yuguda is a minority.i believe bala is hausa or fulani

I am not really arguing if Muazu is Hausa. I think he is.
The Hausa settlers in Niger east are finding it very difficult to use religion to mix with the people of Niger east because half of these people are christians.
The christian Gbagyis are the ones who will always remind the likes of Muazu & Babangida that they are not true indigenes of the area and they are not Gbagyi. However, left for these people, they really want to integrate. They never identify themselves as Hausa in public.

Hausas do not dominate any senatorial district in Niger. But they and the fulanis have the strongest minority populations in both Niger north & Niger east.
Niger north is dominated by Kainji tribes.


Bauchi is very very very heterogenous. There are over 50 indigenous tribes in Bauchi state.
However, this heterogeneity is dying as everyone has adopted Hausa as their mother tongue.
That Bauchi north axis (Katagum) have the Bolewa, Karekare, Zagezage, Kanuris and other tribes you find in Yobe south as the main indigenes. They and the indigenous tribes of Yobe south are the same people, but the differences are becoming very obscured as these people and the Hausa fulanis in their midst are now becoming one and indifferentiable.

Bauchi south & central have the Jarawas as the largest tribe, then Gerawa (the original indigenes of Bauchi town), Ningawa, Pa'awa, Kirfawa, Zulawa, Warjawa, Sayawa and dozens of other tribes with Hausas & fulanis.
Most of these tribes have adopted Hausa as their language, but the elderly still speak the language in the rural areas in some cases.

Among all the major tribes in Bauchi state, only the Sayawa of Tafawa Balewa/Bogoro are primarily christians. There are few minority tribes around Sayawa who are christians too, though, these tribes are a spillover from Plateau state.
Jarawa people are 35% christians from what I heard, but I have not yet confirmed it.

The truth is that your ethnic origin is not really a very big deal in Bauchi state (unless of course you are a christian). Otherwise, as long as you are a muslim, you are good to go.
Although, candidates opposing each other may claim their rival is a Yoruba, an Auchi or an Igala man in order to reduce their support base
This was how they claimed Kwankwaso was a yoruba man all over Kano
These things may be true, but in most cases they are lies.

To be honest, I am not 100% sure of the tribes of the past governors of Bauchi state. Different people say different things. However, I have heard from most sources that most of them are fulanis.

Lastly, there is still discrimination of tribal muslims by Hausa fulanis in Bauchi state. A Bauchi indigene told me that some Hausas do not respond if they hear a Jarawa man calling for prayers or sitting to lead prayers.

They call these tribal muslims tubebe or musulmin Sardauna, meaning muslims who just converted not long ago.

Yujin:
The way some of you spin stories to suit your narrative is appalling. Igbos in the north are not even loud compared to those in other areas. I know that Yorubas especially from Kwara and Ogbomosho have lived in the north spanning three generations but even that doesn't equate the population of Yorubas to that of the Igbos in the north. You see, secondary school enrollment in the north will give you a better picture of both ethnic groups since they're both educationally inclined. This will rest the case. As for the unfortunate casualties in the Jos crisis being Yorubas, the reason is not far fetched. The location of the major battles witness more fatalities and in that case, the location was a Yoruba dominated location which they couldn't defend against the Hausas. I personally lost lots of Yoruba friends there. The areas were from Dilimi linking the whole Nassarawa area plus Rikkos. Nassarawa was hitherto the headquarters of the Yoruba settlement in Jos. I grew up there so I know. It had a sizeable population of Igbos too such that Igbo was being taught at a point in the Yoruba owned school I attended. After the first crisis, lots of Igbos left the area because it was poorly defended by the Yorubas who should have been the backbone of defense. It was in the subsequent crisis that the massacre happened. That's why the Yoruba casualties was the highest among the Southern settlers. Igbos from Nassarawa relocated to Igbo dominated areas and other indigene dominated areas with a good promise of defence and contributed to there defence. All Igbo dominated areas were well defended.
That said, Igbo population in the north is much more than that of the Yorubas. Is It in Kano, Kaduna, Jos, Abuja, Suleja, Lafia, Makurdi, Akwanga, Mangu, Shendam, Bauchi, Jalingo, Yola, Minna, Kafanchan etc

I think I agree with you here as a Jos indigene.

Yorubas lost more people and money in the 2008 & 2010 Jos crisis firstly because Yorubas are of 2 religions. Both Yoruba muslims & christians are caught in the crossfire between both sides unlike Igbos who easily join forces with the christian indigenes and only suffer casualty on one end.

That of Yoruba muslims is even the worse. Hausa fulani muslims see them as inferior/fake muslims, so Hausas even chase them away from muslim areas too.

Most importantly, Yorubas are the kind of people who tend to be cowardly outside their homeland. An Igbo man can fight you even in your own village just to defend himself, his family & properties.
Yorubas use to truly dominate Nasarawa Gong areas of Jos, but they allowed Hausa-fulanis chase them out and take over the place without even a fight or showdown.
If it was Igbos, such would never have happened.

Cc Mandarin

A305:
Pete Edochie just doesn't smile. You must give him reasons to see his teeth. He commands natural respect that even other veteran actors don't.

One of the best actor of his time and our time.

Have you seen him in real life before?

Myself and my Mom have seen him in real life at separate informal occasions. Men, this man was laughing, smiling and very free. I was shocked to see this.

Some of these people in real life are not what they look like before a camera.