₦airaland Forum

oyatz:
Nigeria and indeed most African countries have great problems of ethnic tension because of the long lasting legacies of European colonialism which make tribal identities the basis of sharing national wealth, powers and privileges in artificially created heterogeneous countries.
It is the basis of civil wars, political instabilities and corruption in many African Countries.

If individual merits are largely used in sharing national wealth, political powers and privileges in these countries, nobody will give a hoot about tribes.


In Nigeria, the Fulani ethnic group have mastered the art of Statecraft. Even though they themselves are a minority recently settled ethnic group in Nigeria, have succeeded in forging an amalgam of diversed tribes into the largest power block headed by them.

They achieved these between 1804-1903 by conquering different tribes, encouraged them to forgo their tribal identities and embrace a new identity; the Islamic identity which unify everybody in Theocratic States called EMIRATES, many of which are joined together in a Confederacy called the SOKOTO Caliphate.

The British Colonialists met this structure and strengthened it by creating a larger political entity encompassing two thirds of Nigieria called Northern Region and handed it over to the Fulani rulers.

The Igbos on the other hand doesn't have this advantage. Similar tribes like the Anioma, Etche, Ekpeye and Ikwerre suppose to coalesce into the greater Igbo super ethnic group but they refuse to do so and this was magnified by the defeat of the Igbos in the Civil war with reverberating consequences.

However, the nature of life is that you can't always win on all sides. Those who are disadvantaged in one side are advantaged in other areas.

The Fulani have advantages in politics and powers but great disadvantages in education and modern indices of development. The Igbos have advantages in education, commerce and enjoy higher quality of life than most of their compatriots.

Fortunately, everything is subjected to change and things are changing nowadays.

Wow, you killed this analysis. I wish I could re-like this post of yours.

Fulanis have strong genes/origins from Semitic Berber/Arab people and probably this was the reason why they were naturally smarter than most pure Black Africans.

Actually, fulanis are using illiteracy as a tool to keep the pure unmixed Hausa masses in servitude and control. Cos I am very sure the moment Hausas become literate, they will start asking questions and this will lead to the dethronement of Fulanis.

midnighter:
Well, I can level with you on all of this except that

- The words "Deutsch" and "Dutch" are in no way pronounced the same, though I got your point.

- Dutch people are Germanic but not German. The history of Germany and its tribes, kingdoms and invasions is more complicated than that. In fact even English people share some ancestry with Germans and English is classed as a Germanic language

But as I said, I get your point. In the case of border communities and nations that are literally right next to each other, you will always get some mixing of languages and cultures until people on either sides of the boundary are indistinguishable from each other.

The issue of south-south divisions doesn't just affect Igbos, it affects almost all the groups in that area when they keep dividing themselves into smaller and smaller sub-groups, rightly or wrongly.

Imagine how much more political leverage Efik, Ibibio and all the sub-groups would have if they weren't so disparate

Ok, I thought Deutsch and Dutch were pronounced the same way. Can you pls differentiate it for me?

2ndly can you pls tell us the line of difference where one ceases to be GERMAN and becomes GERMANIC?
Cos like I told you, Low German (the dialect of Northern Germany) is highly mutually intelligble to Dutch, spoken in Netherlands. They understand each other very well. How then do people who speak the same language become Germanic and some Germans? My sister it is nothing but politics.
English people and Scandinavians can be called Germanic because their languages are not mutually intelligible to any dialect of German.

English language was heavily influenced by French, Latin and Celtic languages hence it completely transformed into an entirely different language... I have read manuscripts of Old English, spoken like 1,000 years ago. It looks purely like German. Infact it was considered a dialect of German then.


Yes, you are very correct about the SS ethnic groups. Akwa-Ibom & Calabar tribes are similar but divided. Edo tribes are similar but divided. Same thing with Urhobos & Isokos. I was shocked when an Eleme family friend told me that he was not Ogoni and that Elemes are not Ogoni people. Imagine?

Ijaws are the only ones who defy this plague among Southern minorities and I applaud them for this. Many people who identify as Ijaw today speak languages that are completely unrelated to Ijaw language. This is why I call Ijaw a political group rather than an ethnic group

pazienza:
How exactly can someone compare the Northern minorities who were subjected under the Fulani Caliphate and forced to Use Hausa language , as Hausa was the ligua franca of The Fulani Caliphate in Nigeria with Ndiigbo ? Even most of the minorities in North still have their non Hausa related indigenous languages intact and only use Hausa language as a lingual fraca to communicate with each other.

Ndiigbo were never empire builders, we never at any point ruled over non Igbo speaking neighbors or imposed our language on them. Rather we had to deal with Igala invasion of Igbo groups from the North and Bini invasion Of Igbo groups from the West. We were the ones who had to deal with colonialism attempts of our Monarchical Bini and Igala neighbours, and not the other way round.

The Ikwerre claim the Igbo imposed the Igbo language they currently speak through colonialism during the Eastern region that lasted from 1938-1966, and was ruled by Igbos between 1960-66( just 6years), yet there are many documented colonial archives that shows that Ikwerre were already speaking the current Igbo language they speak when the first white man arrived Nigeria.

Moreover, Ikwerre are not the only minority groups surrounding Ndiigbo. We have native Igala, Kele and Idoma speakers within South East as we speak, Ndiigbo couldn't make them(just few villages) to abandon their Languages for Igbo language, how then could we have done that to Ikwerre with hundreds of villages, and all this without colonizing them? Not even the most powerful empire in modern history, the British empire, was able to make indigenous people of Africa, abandon their indigenous languages and adopt English as mother tongue, but the shameless Bini people of Ikwerre are claiming Ndiigbo made them dump Bini language for Igbo language.
English language has been the language of instruction in Nigerian schools since 1914, yet not a single Nigerian group has changed their indigenous language to English and no longer speak their own indigenous language. But this is exactly what the Bini people of Ikwerre are trying to insinuate Ndiigbo did to them. That Ndiigbo used Igbo language to teach in Ikwerre schools and that British missionaries used Igbo Christians and slaves to teach them bible, and that it was at that point that they stopped being Edoid speakers and became Igboid speakers.
They say this with bold face, even their intellectuals, when they know that there exists colonial archives of the language the Ikwrerre were speaking when the British arrived this shores, and it has always been their current Igboid one.

Ndiigbo have many other minorities in Eastern region . The Ogoni, Annang, Ibibio, Yala, Ogoja, Gakem, Andoni, Engenni, etc. None of these groups, many of who are smaller than Ikwerre. Surprisingly we couldn't get these groups to abandon their indigenous non Igbo related languages for Igbo ones, but only did so with Ikwerre, even when no evidence of such exists.

Nice one, this is also the reason why I find the Ikwerre claim of being a distinct group who were influenced by the Igbos highly questionable.

As I wrote above, not until we can see a form of document or proof of an ancient Ikwerre language very different from Igbo, then it cannot be true.


Just for the records... In your first paragraph, Hausa language did not spread amongst all Northern minorities due to subjugation of the caliphate.
How about Fulanis who were the conquerors who also lost and are still loosing their native Fulfude language to Hausa till date?

Kanuri used to be the lingua franca of the upper north-east cos they conquered the area but today it is Hausa and hausas did not conquer anywhere, rather fulanis did.

I'd say Hausa language spread by influence/trade and not really conquest or even colonialism. Although, the last 2 somehow promoted it.

because if we claim it was purely conquest or colonialism, how do we explain Hausa language being the lingua franca in Niger republic? All the non hausa tribes in Niger republic speak Hausa as a 2nd language, even up to the lightskinned Berbers in the north of the country close to Libya/Algeria.

The french who colonized Niger republic do not practice Indirect rule like the British and so couldn't have helped promote Hausa language there and neither did Fulani conquest affect Niger republic.

HopeAtHand:
Here we go again.

This Ikwerre is/isnt Igbo debate which has been condemned to perpetual arguing online is again tossed on the front burner, courtesy of a traditional title conferred on Wike.

As an Ikwerre, I'd say that there is a close relationship between the Igbo culture/Language and that of the Ikwerres. This is a result of the nature of interaction Ikwerres had with Igbo's and can be divided into the pre-colonial and colonial era.

In pre-colonial era, the interaction is usually attributed to factors chiefly being proximity, the settlement of large number of Aros within Ikwerre villages and communities and to a lesser extent, buying of slaves from Igbo hinterland. Let me at this point inform that Igbo's roughly outnumber Ikwerres 8 to 1. When a relatively smaller ethnicity settled close to a much larger one, they naturally run the risk of losing a good part of their language and culture to the much larger one, especially to a notoriously dominant ethnicity such as the Igbo. Ikwerres found themselves in that situation and continued with life.

Then in the colonial era, the British carved Nigeria into regions and Ikwerre was in Eastern region and Igbo as the major language was used in schools, hospitals, offices and churches and Ikwerres had no option but to learn. To give you an example, gather Igbo's and teach them Hausa in schools and use same language in churches and markets and hospitals for over 40yrs and see if you wouldn't effectively change their lives. The only adjustment th British made fo Ikwerres was introduction of Ikwerre Union Bible Bible in Churches for the Ikwerres to properly understand the word of God.

Now a certain poster Abagworo talked about sincerity in ironing out this Ikwerre/Igbo debate. on that point, I'd say Ikwerres have sincerely and stedfastly stated during colonial times that they aren't Igbo's. The British refused to listen, the British were more interested in cut-and-join administration of people. Yet, we vehemently rejected being called Igbo, we went to Willinks commission on minority ethnicities to present our case and also played actived roles for the formation of COR state. I am stating this for those who claimed Ikwerres were comfortable with being Igbo's before civil war. They can research the net and see how far we have come in our quest for distinct recognition.

We have no particular issues with Igbo's except our desire to be known as Ikwerres which w rightly are. That isn't a bad thing by any means.

We may now share same Language and Culture but our Origins ar different. And the difference In Origin also affect our difference in character as a people.

Please, Igbo's should disabuse thei minds of unnecessary sentiments and move on.

Peace.

cc: Pazienza, Osagyefo98, jimyjames et al.

Wow! This is enlightening.

I am not Igbo, but a middlebelter (I am saying this cos I don't want you to take my question as an Igbo person trying to force Igbo identity on you).

My question is this.
Were you Ikwerres speaking a very distinct language from Igbo language in the past, before you people were influenced by Igbos during precolonial and colonial times?
If yes, please can you show me some proofs on this?

Southern Kaduna & Bauchi people are both neighbours of Hausas. Same precolonial and colonial influence of cut and join was done upon them by the British and today they all speak Hausa (some as a 1st language and others as a 2nd language).

The thing is that even in Bauchi where majority accepted Islam and hausanization was strongest, we can still see the traces of the minority languages. In the interior rural villages, elderly people still speak/spoke these native languages.
The last surviving speaker of Bure language in Bauchi, an old woman I think died a few years ago...

I always heard stories that the people of Birnin Gwari LGA in Kaduna state were originally Gwari people who have now become Hausas. I wasn't sure of this, not until I saw a British colonial record of ethnic groups in Northern Nigeria and it was clearly written by the British that the elders in Birnin Gwari still spoke Gbagyi language as at the 1920s. Then I was fully satisfied.

This is why I am asking you, can we see any form of record or evidence that Ikwerre people were very distinct from Igbos? Thank you.

And please enlighten me more about the COR agitation of minorities in the old Eastern region.

Middlebelt minorities also submitted their request to the Willinks Comission in 1959 for an independent region from the north, but it was heavily ignored. So I am really interested in that of the Eastern minorities. Thanks.

oyatz:
Sweet heart, different strokes for different folks. The histories, political evolutions and worldviews of different tribes are different, so what they take to be important will also be different.
It seems Igbos need more populations/lands through irredentism, Hausa-Fulani have gained this large population through a complex mix of cultural assimilation, religion and conquests.

The Yorubas have coalesced into a single formidable group through trade and Empire building.

Before British colonialism, the Igbos didn't build centralized large States. Their level of political organization didn't go beyond the village level. Each village operated independently of the other.

The Hausa-Fulani and the Yorubas on the other had pre-colonial Empires, City States, large kingdoms and Confederations of small States which brought most of their people under centralized political authorities and promoting a sense of nationalism.

1) There are several Nigerian languages that have gone into extinction especially in the North. E.g Tangale and Ajawa languages in Bauchi State, Gamo- Nungi in Bauchi State, Bassa-Gumma in Nigeria Start. These people switched to Hausa Language but it doesn't mean the people disappeared.

2) All over the world new tribes emerged from previously existing tribes.
E.g Seminole tribe of Florida= Native American Muscogees+ Black skaves.

Aja People of Benin Republic= Yoruba+ Fon/Ewe

Ikwerre= Igbo+ Ijaw+ Bini

Itshekiri= Yoruba+ Edo+ European traders


3) We need to do away with the use of ethnic groups as a mean of climbing the social ladder in Nigieria. People should be judged by their individual attributes instead of tribal affiliation.

Lol.... Bro take am easy with your number 1.

Yes, many languages have gone extinct to Hausa while many more are on the verge of going extinct, however TANGALE is not one of them.
All Tangale people speak Hausa as a 2nd language, but most of them still speak their native language...

Bauchi is the place where the strongest hausanization took place because most of them converted to islam. More than 50 languages have been lost in Bauchi over the years.

Tangale people in Gombe are predominantly christians and are the 2nd largest tribe in the state.

Halexgos3:
You are right bro. At least Igbos bear chukwu ebuka , Emeka but ikweres will want to copy that same name but in different styles something like Emeka for Emeke Chima for chinman. Those names are fakes

Aniomas are the ones who actually answer EMEKE, not Ikwerres. And in the case of Aniomas, I don't think it's fake. It's their dialect.

pazienza:
Now, let's get something clear.

No well Igbo cares about Ikwerre. The only reason Igbos care about Ikwerre is the Igbo language they are mutilating.

If the Ikwerre can do the needful and revert back to their Bini language and start bearing Bini names, no Igbo would care anymore.

The ball is in Ikwerre court. Stop mutilating the Igbo language and return to your Bini language.

Show group esteem that your inferiority complex suffering Bini ancestors couldn't exhibit when they abandoned your Bini language for Igbo one, even without being colonized by Igbos.

Are you not ashamed that without the very Igbos you hate, you will have no language of your own? You are not ashamed of shamelessly copying and ridiculously trying to mask another man language as yours via re editing the language by addition and removal of consonants?

Lol... I understand your pain and it's funny to me, but things like this have come to stay all over the world
It pains many Hausa fulanis that Southern Kaduna and Plateau people hate them, yet they speak their Hausa language fluently as a lingua franca.

Urdu (Hindustani) is the national language of Pakistan, this language originates in India among ancient Hindus, yet Pakistanis take pride in it and at the same time, hate Hindus and hate India and many of them claim to be of Arab-Persian origin.....
They write Urdu in Arabic script and put in many Arabic words to make it as different from Hindi as possible, but a tiger can never change it's stripes Hindi and Urdu is still one inseparable language.

The only difference between Pakis and Ikwerres is that Pakistan took their anti-Hindi to the next level by trying to introduce Arabic as a national language in Pakistan by bringing in lots of Arabic teachers and scholars from the middle-east, but it was a massive failure!
A monkey cannot be forced to be a dog.

So maybe Ikwerres will try the experiment with Bini language if they have their own country or autonomy.

CSTR2:
I learnt today that mercy chinwo is ikwerre.
I was surprised. I was thinking anambra or abia.


That lady is more fluent and Igbo conscious than most Igbo ladies from Enugu state.

My brother, Ikwerre people are even more Igbotic than Anioma people from my experience.
When we were in camp, in my room, the Ikwerres there spoke to themselves exclusively in Igbo and were loud and unapologetic about it, while the Igbos and Aniomas there were speaking pidgin.

BULLIONVAN4:
Imagine a case whereby someone bearing "ifeanyi okocha" is convicted of crime, will you say he is Igbo or Anioma??(assuming his state/Lga of origin was not mentioned)

Hahaha, is this not the same way anybody in Nigeria answering Mustapha Yusuf Danjuma is seen as a Hausa? Meanwhile that person could be Kanuri, Jukun, Nupe, Bura or even from tribes like Igala, Ebira and even Yorubas who have no relationship whatsoever with Hausa.

midnighter:
The English people who went to America originally have descendants there now who still claim their English heritage several generations back.

In fact they make sure that their children marry from particular families so that they will keep their bloodline.

Wow, are you sure about your 2nd paragraph? I never knew any white Americans could take this ancestry thing that serious!

pazienza:
Well naturally I don't like discussing Igbo issues with non Igbos, because it's usually pointless, but I make exceptions to this your post, so I'm going to reply you.

First and foremost, you will find out that the Anioma sentiment and identity is only strong in Enu-ani region, the Ika and Ukwuani are more interested in being independent of both Igbo and Anioma, and amongst the Ukwuani, there is also now a rejection of the Ukwuani tag, as those from Ndokwa East are claiming not to be Ukwuani but instead insist their ethnic group is "Ndiosumili".
So it's a confusion state in Ika and Ukwuani.

But the Enu-ani, who are the ones most Igbos in South East are interested in are overwhelming pro Igbo.
The Asagba of Asaba is a patron of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo and the late Ide Asaba, Achuzia was a two time secretary of the organization. The Igbo identity is pretty strong in Enuani and by no way 25% like you try to portray. It's more like 60% pro Igbo, 20% anti Igbo and 20% neutral.
The likes of Lauretta Onochie fall into the 20% Igbophobic.

Yes you are very correct. Ndokwa east (Ndosimili people) are not Ukwuanis.

Actually I have asked some Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis on the Anioma matter. You are not too correct in the sense that these people actually love a joint Anioma identity, but they are afraid that it is a pro-Igbo identity and it will further drag them towards being Igbo. Besides this, they have no problem with being Anioma.

Some of these Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis even reject the DELTA IGBO tag and to be honest, this is the identity with which most Edo & Deltans from other tribes tag them and most of them normally accept it.

Pls for the records, I never said Pro Igbos are 25% in Enuani. I said 25% in Anioma as a whole.
Of course Enuanis are predominantly pro Igbo. Especially Igbuzor, Okpanam & Ogwashi-Uku.
The first time I went to Ogwash, it felt like I was in the SE. A very close friend and church member of mine was from Igbuzor and men, this guy was even more Igbotic than our pastor who was from Imo state .
Anti Igbos are like 20-25% in Enuani. However, I think the 80% pro Igbo in Enuani is divided into 2 categories. The active pro-Igbos and the passive pro-Igbos.
The active pro-Igbos are the Igbuzors, Ogwash, Okpanam and parts of Asaba, e.t.c. You can hardly differentiate these ones from the Igbos in the SE . They are pro Igbo and Igbotic to the core. Most of them don't even give you the 'Delta-Igbo bullshit'. Ask them their tribe and they tell you IGBO!
The passive pro-Igbos in Enuani have some sort of inferiority or maybe that is just the way they are, I don't know. They accept being Igbo, but they hardly want to speak Igbo in public and with people from the SE. They do not openly flaunt their Igboness with pride unlike the active pro-Igbos.

This is just the same way you have the active anti-Igbos and passive anti-Igbos among Ikas, Ndokwas and even Enuani.

The passive anti-Igbos reject Igbo identity but they do not do it with hatred, bitterness and anger. They acknowledge kinship and relationship with Igbos, but they will emphasize the differences. If you can talk enough sense into these ones and explain to them why they should be Igbo, they could accept passively.

While the active anti-Igbos are the ones who show serious hatred towards Igbo identity and would not mind insulting and fighting over it. These ones do not mind rewriting history to show how Bini they are

Anioma people are just very funny to me. The worst part is that even within the same Anioma family, you find the different categories.

You can find an Anioma family where the father is passively pro Igbo, the mother is actively anti-Igbo because she had a quarrel with an Igbo woman or an Igbo woman tried to snatch her husband . The son actively pro-Igbo cos he learnt their history online and is more aware, while the daughters are not even interested in the topic of being Igbo or not and do not care.

This is why it is wrong for you to say you Igbos are only interested in Enuani because all Aniomas are interrelated and intertwined by history, culture and everything.
You cannot really divide them based on pro-Igbo and anti-Igboness. There are Ika & Ndokwa people who are very much pro Igbo and ready to die for the Igbo nation. What do you do about them? Osita Mordi my beloved friend is one of them.
To the Anioma people themselves, most of them do not even see this 'being Igbo or not topic' as a big issue, cos they know they are one family irrespective of their opinions. It is more of an issue to the SE people and I very much understand why.

This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law .


For me, I think Anioma leaders, stakeholders and traditional leaders should come together once and for all and decide what they want to be in order to end all these to and fro arguments and divisions.
Isokos did it and rejected Urhobo identity and Urhobos accept it today and identify them separately, same thing with Itsekiris and Yoruba.

I will never forget the time when a list of all the students in my level and facculty was posted on the notice board and people were identified with their ethnic languages, oboy, come and see identity crisis among Aniomas!!
You will see people from the same LGA, yet some will say they are Igbo, some Ndokwa, some Ukwani, some Kwale, some Ika, some Agbor and many other appellations. I mean, what kind of embarrassment is this?

Cc midnighter

midnighter:
Itshekiris accept that they are related to Yoruba and Itshekiri language itself is an ancient dialect of Yoruba.

Urhobo/ Isoko dichotomy is an individual political issue; some of them accept that they are the same yet others argue vehemently that they are totally different



Is it that they adopted a language similar to Igbo or that they speak Igbo? So where did they get the quasi-Igbo language from?

Igbo people are naturally disparate; we were just unified recently under the umbrella term "Igbo". The Igbo dialects spoken in part of Enugu and Ebonyi states are completely unintelligible to the average Igbo speaker, yet they still accept themselves as Igbo even though going by your logic, they have even more right to claim that they are something else because the language has almost nothing to do with central Igbo.

At school, Anioma and Igbo days are celebrated differently for political reasons that dont hold water. I have met plenty of people from Delta who just call themselves "Delta Igbo" from Ibusa, Kwale, Agbor. What is your point exactly

Yes, sometimes, I think divisions are very very political and created by humans.

It's just the same way Austrians reject German identity, yet Barvarians (the largest subgroup in Germany) speak exactly the same language and practice same culture with Austrians.

Netherlands is very identical to their neigbours Northern Germany too, they understand each other and practice the same culture. Netherlands call themselves DUTCH while Germans call themselves DEUTSCH. Same pronounciation, yet Dutch people can assault you for insisting they are Germans

Humans are just very funny creatures.

In the case of Igbos, I think the River Niger and the South-south geopolitical division is the biggest problem of unity.

niaralandtopuser:
have you been to Delta once. In school, Anioma and Igbo cultural day were celebrated separately. I even join in celebrating Anioma day back then as I grew up there and speak the Anioma language

Thank you very much. This is what many people like horsepower101 do not understand.

Many of them have never been to Delta state or lived there before. They just rely on what they see on the internet.
Personally I hate micro divisions, I believe in unity of people with similar cultures and orientation. Hence I regard Aniomas as Igbos, but many of them reject this.

Women were having a regional gathering in the Assemblies of God church one time in Delta state and every ethnic group were asked to present their cultures. Anioma & Igbo women did not present together at all. Igbo women presented theirs, then Anioma women came separately to present theirs. Imagine.

horsepower101:
Who is forcing who. You keep making very generalized vague statements that has nothing to do with my original comments.

BTW majority of Aniomas have no identity crisis. They know that they are igbos.

Please don’t engage me again.

No offense to you bro, but I don't think it is the majority. It is more like a 50/50. Being born and bred in Delta state, I grew up with a lot of aniomas.
While I was in Uniben, an Ukwani girl insulted me just because I was insisting that she is Igbo.

Majority of Ikas & Ndokwas reject Igbo identity, but there is a strong minority who accept it actively or passively. The minority who accept are mostly found in Eastern areas of Ika (Igbodo, Umunede) and Ndokwa east (Ndosimili).

Majority of Enuanis accept Igbo identity, however a strong minority reject it.
The minority who reject are mostly found in areas like Ubulu-uku, Illah, Idumuje axis and those Ebu & Olukumi and even some Asaba people surprisingly.

Aniomas are divided into 3 category if you ask me, the Igbophobic, the Igbophilic and the passive ones.
The passive ones are in the majority (50%), these ones are neither here nor there, they accept Igbo today and reject it tomorrow. If you can give them enough reasons to accept being Igbo, they will, enough reasons to reject Igbo, they will.... They accept whichever direction the tide (wave) goes.
The Igbophilic are like 25% and Igbophobic 25%. The 2 groups are always trying to convert the passive ones into their folds.

Iamgrey5:
Same thing happened to the fomer governor of Platuea state in APC Joshua Dariye

But I guess his people didn't see it at a grand master plan of the Fulani people.

I saw it that way.
My people are naturally very passive and docile unless if pushed extremely hard.
I guess this is why the core-north has been taking us for a ride.
It will change very soon.
We will soon start becoming very vociferous and aggressive like the Igbos.
Orthodox christianity really damaged and weakened our people so much.

You can't see the likes of LegendHero and Omoodua007 on threads like this. Nonsense!

GeoAfrikana:
Firstly, a student impregnated a lecturer. Was she forced or she consented? From the above article, there's nothing to suggest that she was coerced.

Secondly, it's a common trend for federal universities to favour indigenes of their state for admission and job. Since the university is in a Muslim dominated state, it's only normal for my St of their staff and students to be Muslims. Not because they want to favour Muslims but because they want to favour their indigenes who are mostly Muslims.

Thirdly, still on the issue of religious marginalization. Please visit OAU, UI and FEDEPE, most of their staff are Christians even though these institutions are in Muslim dominated states. The faculty of pharmacy at the time of my graduation had no Muslim lecturer.
In OAU today, for every Muslim lecturer you'll find five Christian lecturers.

I can go on to type examples but I'll stop here for the sake of time.

Never you repeat the word that Nasarawa is a muslim dominated state. Who told you that?

For peace to reign it is said that Nasarawa is a 50/50 but christians are actually more.

Muslims and christians from other tribes gang up to vote against the Eggons (who are the largest tribe in the state and are predominantly christians), that is the reason why muslims have the upper hand politically. Not because they are more in numbers.

Inyaka:
Lie. I know a lady who converted her husband to Christianity from islam.

This can only happen among Yoruba/Edo and Middlebelt muslims like Igala & Ebira muslims..

It can never happen among Hausa-fulanis or other hausa speaking northern muslims.

Omoodua007:
So 70% of rivers is ibo

Very possibly, if you include all the SE settlers in PH...
PH is the largest city in the SE/SS zone with something around 4-5 million people now... SE Igbos are up to 1 million there if not more.

The only immigration that could try to neutralize SE Igbo population in PH is that of the Akwa-Ibom/Cross River people (but it cannot). These people are everywhere in PH. They could be up to 500k there is care is not taken. Then you have northerners, middlebelters & Yorubas in significant numbers.

PH is just like Asaba or let's say Asaba is a mini-PH
SE Igbos are on the verge of overuning Asaba with their immigration, however, an influx of Urhobo & Isokos from other parts of Delta state is trying to balance it up.
This is the reason Igbo is seriously struggling with Pidgin english for dominance of lingua franca. . However, Pidgin seems to be dominating Asaba & PH because the indigenous Igbos seem to prefer it to speaking Igbo, since many of them are in denial over their identity.

Danzakidakura:
This is the true voice crying in the wilderness. The middle belt we want to go with south exclude Kogi, Niger, and Nasarawa states.

Are you really from Southern Kaduna if I may ask? What part?

Nels55:
The Northern cacus has vowed to keep this nation stagnant and by control of the gun, they maintain control.
Buhari re enacted the decree of the northern wishes and only a united south can break this spell..


South Sudan forced their way out of Sudan, Southern Nigeria should rise and force its way of Nigeria. We have all it takes to be a great South, the resources, the intellects and the structures. There is no hope with the North, they will be better as a country themselves..



I stand for the southern Republic of Nigeria

I am from the middlebelt. Plateau state precisely and I am so much in support of the division of Nigeria.
I am a leader of a middlebelt group and have started talking to my people about propagating this idea.

My predecessor Late Gideon Orkar of Benue had this vision, of a new Nigeria without the core-north. He called on the great peoples of Southern Nigeria and Middlebelters to unite and remove the core-north from Nigeria.
If only he had succeeded.

Well, we the current generation must continue from where they stopped. Nigeria can never progress or work as a country with the core-northerners, lai lai.

Southerners and middlebelters are just too foolish and docile for this core-north, God forbid.
One section of the country just takes everybody else for a ride.

CSTR2:
Amaechi is an idiot.
I don't regard him as a person worthy of being voted for.

Omoodua007:
They should stalk all the boko haram in the school
Imagine southerners building private universities
With their money and see what military is doing

See the way all of you are now shouting 'South & Southerners' just because of this and the next day you people will go back to fighting each other on the basis of Yoruba & Igbo, while the Hausas and fulanis take the largesse of everything.

I hope yoruba people especially are watching this sha. .... In no distant future, we will all learn very bitter lessons, especially Yorubas who think that the core-north are their friends.

Omoodua007:
Igbos now own rivers state loooool I will add ishekiri as Yoruba since your claiming both looool

Adding Itsekiri to Yoruba wouldn't make much difference since Itsekiris are barely 10% of Delta state. They are like 8% of the state.
Even if you add the Olukumi people, still not up to 10%.
Besides, are you aware that there are Igbo speaking people in Benue, Edo, Bayelsa and even Akwa Ibom?

Omoodua007:
We are not here for migrant groups in rivers
We mean indigenous land

You obviously did not read my reply well. Go and read it again.
If we add SE Igbo immigrant population to Rivers state, then the state would be like 70% Igbo.
I only brought in the issue of immigrant population to show how much more Igbotic Rivers state is.

abdulkayus:
That man U are calling aboki is the governor of Plateau state, his name is Solomon Dalung.
To ur bigotry mind, every northerner is a Muslim or Aboki, u need more education dude and you need to travel out more. Stop hiding in that cubicle of yours

Solomon Dalung governor of Plateau state?

It's SIMON BAKO LALONG.
Dalong was former minister of sports.

livebyday:
So true. The man will suddenly realized the air in Italy feels better to breath than that in jos

I mean he will like the food better, no deer of fulani herdsmen

Peace of mind

Did you people not read the part where he gave up numerous opportunities and offers abroad just to come back and help his father land?

plateau1stson:
Actually the guy school in boys secondry school Gindiri a covin church before furthering his education

Wow, this is good to know. I am actually from Gindiri.
He is indeed making Plateau proud.
Do you know what LGA he is from?

Omoodua007:
Legendhero


EDUCATION(DEG)
STATE
TOTAL
EKITI
2,048
KOGI
471
KWARA
3,277
LAGOS
1,700
OGUN
4,375
ONDO
3,837
OSUN
4,850
OYO
5,197
GRAND TOTAL
25,755

EDUCATION(DEG)
ABIA
1,960
ANAMBRA
4,016
DELTA
697
EBONYI
1,093
ENUGU
3,087
IMO
4,769
TOTAL
15,622

You are a very delusional and mischievous beign, if you include Kogi (where Yoruba is a minority culture) to the Yoruba population and exclude Rivers (where Igbo is the majority culture) to Igbo population.

Rivers as a state is far far more Igbotic than Delta state.
I grew up in Delta state. Sometimes you can easily differentiate Delta Igbos from Southeast Igbos (especially the Ikas & Ndokwas).

However, in Rivers state, it is a different ball game. You can hardly differentiate Ikwerres, Etches & Ndoki people who are in the majority from SE Igbos... Only the Ogba, Ekpeye and Ndoni (who are in the minority) among Igbo speakers, that you could easily differentiate from SE Igbos.

Most Ijaw natives of Bonny & Opobo LGAs now speak Igbo as their mother's tongue. They have lost their ijaw language and some even identify as Igbo. The worst part is that they even speak the exact SE kind of Igbo dialect and not even like the Ikwerre dialect.

Rivers is 50% or more Igbo by culture, by blood and by everything.
Excluding Rivers when talking about Igbo is almost like excluding Kwara when talking about Yoruba.
The large SE immigrant population in PH is even increasing the Igbonization of the state as almost every Rivers indigene has a sister or a brother who is married to a SE Igbo.

Many SE Igbos even use Rivers state indigeneship and they cannot be caught, because the names and language is exactly the same. How do you want to differentiate Egbema people in Rivers state from Egbema people across the border in Imo state?

Being someone who grew up with a lot of Delta Igbos around me, when I met with Rivers Igbo people, I saw no difference between them and SE Igbos.
Rivers Igbos are far more Igbonized and Igbotic than those from Delta (who have been heavily influenced by Edos & Urhobo/Isokos).
Igbo denial among some of them is very much a political thing.

Omoodua007:
Delta igbos represent 20% Ig of delta population like Yorubas rep 20% of kogi population

Engineering-20% of 2647 =534
Medicine -20% of 1892=378
Law- 20% of 544-108

Yoruba still maintain leads



Arts

Lagos - 620
Ogun- 1817
Oyo - 2426
Ondo-1203
Ekiti -490
Osun -1264
Kwara -1307
Kogi -300
total - 9427

Anambra -812
IMO -675
Ebonyi -206
Abia -208
Enugu -546
Total = 2239


Even in arts Yorubas maintain lead
Effectively there are more educated Yorubas than Igbos
I’m yet to look at economics banking social sciences

If you want a fair calculation.

Yorubas 75% of Kwara and 20% of Kogi.
Igbos 30% of Delta and 45% of Rivers state.

Efewestern:
Most of you actually don't see anything good about others who do not belong to your group, @bolded, was this really necessary?

So you mean 70% of Deltans who aren't Anioma are educationally backward and are not contributing any positive thing to the state? Do you know how Deltans take education seriously? hardly will you find any family without a graduate, yet you have to discredit other ethnic groups in the state just to prove some silly points. The hatred for others is just too obvious.

I hope people like Nowenuse pause and reflect on why people act the way they do. No Anioma man will type something like this.

Yes this is true.
People like horsepower101 and their silly mindsets are the ones who make minority groups dislike Igbos.

An Anioma person truly will never say this.

OoniOfIfe:
Nice one but its better for him to relocate his company to any southern states cos of d constant ethnic crises in Jos. Fulani herdmen might decide to graze their cows in his company one day nd if he chase they will go nd call their kinsmen in Tilden Fulani in Toro nd they will attack nd kill him nd his workers.

This is a very silly point and remark.
So, he should leave his state of origin as if there is any state free of problems?
In the same southern Nigeria where cultists, ritualists and all manners of thugs operate freely?

Kylekent59:
wow! impressive


Imagine 26 million Nigerians rounding Aso rock, shouting, "Fulfil your campaign promises or else we will come, there kick you out and start a revolution"

Sense would tell you it is 26 million Nigerians vs about 2 thousand security men guarding Aso rock.

Who would win??

Do you think they will shoot?


It is very easy to transform this country in 6 months only if we all come together in unity and speak with one voice.

We can't vote them to control us, but for they "politicians " to agree to our request

Even Buhari and his Abba. K would shake.

This can never happen because all Buhari needs to do is to speak Hausa and use islam as a tool to tell the northern muslims that it is the southern christians that are the problem of the country trying to frustrate him because he is a muslim.

Watch how all the tens of millions of northern muslims will rise up in his defence in spite of the suffering. Some Yoruba muslims will even join and he immediately gets half of the country's population by his side.

Already, the struggle has been sectionalized!

Nigeria can never have a nationwide revolutionary movement because of our ethnic and religious differences.

Area4Area:
Let me school you since you don't know, you won't ask neither would you do any research.
Present day Cameroon, Togo, Burundi, Rwanda, Namibia, Tanzania were all German colonies which she lost after the 1st world war and NOT 2nd world war defeat and were administered by other colonial powers.

Togo was split between British Ghana colony but the French didn't merge their portion,

Cameroon was between British Nigeria and the French kept their part,

Namibia was put under the care of South Africa,

Burundi and Rwanda went to the Belgians,

Tanzania was kept by the British as Tanganyika but later merged with Zanzibar to become Tanzania today..

Why most of you refuse to make research is what I don't understand

Mr man, I know all this. I just didn't want to go into the details. My only mistake was which of the world wars the loss occurred.