₦airaland Forum

gidgiddy:
People like you have been saying the same since the war ended in 1970. The core North will never allow an SNC nor Nigeria to restructured. The simple reason is that the current structure favours them. So why would they agree to a restructured Nigeria that does not favour them?

Nigeria will never be restructured because the core North will never ever allow it.

Thank you for telling this to UdechiHD.

I used to be among the fools who believed in clamour for a restructured Nigeria (no offence to him). Until I had to smell the coffee.

Nobody will ever want to loose from a position that favors them, especially when they are in charge.

UdechiHD:
How many other tribes are calling for this independence that will shake the north? Why isn't the midst belt, Yoruba's and Niger Delta calling for it.
So Ndigbo must be the scapegoats part 2 for such clamour. The one that happened before how did it end up?

I am a leader of a middlebelt group and I am in support of secession. I hope to start enlightening and mobilizing our people to this effect in the nearest future. Infact I have already started, but it will take at least 1-2 years from now before it becomes national/official and widespread cos our group is just upcoming.

Other regions will join Igbos with time to come as we realize how fraudulent Nigeria is.

The thing is that Igbos should never take up arms until the 2 other regions (middlebelt, Niger delta or Yorubas) join the struggle.

Interesting

But why do Akwa Ibom and Efik people claim different ethnicities when all Nigerians see you people as one indifferentiable people?

The difference between Ibibios, Efiks, Annangs, ibenos & Oros is just like the difference between Ijebus, Egbas, Igbominas, Ekitis, Aworis, Okuns and Oyos, yet the latter group all identify under one name YORUBA.

Infact the differences among the Yoruba subgroups is wider than that of Akwa Ibom groups.

Or should we talk about the Ijaws who claim to be the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria, but are in reality just a political group with people who speak unrelated and unintelligible languages.

You people should put your differences aside and find one name that unities all of you @aniekaneka.

Akwa Ibom ayaya o (I hope I am saying it right).

UdechiHD:
Nnamdi Kanu needs help. Ndigbo don't want his type of Biafra. God forbid! The Biafra that will be headed by illiterates and phantasmagorian blokes.
What we want as an ethnic group has been tabled before the SNC. A restructured country that takes care of her citizen's. One with fairness, justice and a level playing field to excel. I wonder why the media keeps giving this narcissistic persona non-grata the attention he craves.

The core-north will never give anybody a restructured Nigeria cos the status quo favours them.
Our only option is to agitate for independence, then when it shakes them so much, we can dialogue and settle for a restructured country based on our own terms.

hammerD:
EFEWESTERN, FRATERMATHY, CHOP, CLEAN MOUTH AND DENY.

IGBO AND URHOBO ARE KITHS AND KINS, WHETHER U LIKE IT OR NOT.

Lol

Seriously, I don't know why most Urhobos especially on nairaland dislike Igbos with a passion. In real life from what I see in Delta where I grew up, it's not obvious.

Urhobos and Igbos intermarry so much. Especially the Delta Igbos.

Besides Edo people answer the name Efe too, so the man might just be a Benin man, who knows?

bukatyne:
I do not think Igbo women inherit land in their village. I believe wives can farm on their husbands' lands though if Nollywood uncles don't take it from them.

I doubt culture stops an Igbo man/woman from adding their offspring to their wills (for non-landed properties in the village).

Truthfully, everyone's experience is dependent on their families and husbands.

No matter how restrictive Hausa's culture can be, no one can stop Dangote from handing over his empire to his daughters if he so wills.

Funny enough, Hausa fulanis even give married women their father's inheritance because islam permits it.
Although they get half of what the men get according to islam.

Janelle08:
First, this is not the issue here. And if I may ask, is there any law that states that father cannot include his married daughters in his will?

It's not about list of places it's happening. But how families decided to share their father's wealth.

In some Nigerian tribes, married women inherit their fathers properties too. I think it happens among Yorubas and even Hausas.

IgbosNIGHTMARE:
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xiaomi
Oppo
Umidigi
Oukitel etc

BTW,
You don't seem to know the meaning of "shelf life.

My problem with some of these unknown phones, if they are faulty, you can hardly get their parts easily from your local phone repair plaza in your city, especially if you are not living in the big cities like Lagos.

But if na infinix & Tecno phones, you get their accessories everywhere.

Kingsley10000:
Hong kong,India,south Africa etc are colonised by the Britain,they also adopted English language as their official language.hong kong is white skin thats why they are able to organise
their language to be in the fore front
blacks are yet to organise themselves likewise.
who do u blame?
Lets organise ourselves for our languages to be at the fore front.

There's no correlation between intelligence and English language;what are we even arguing.

Even Donald Trump isn't fluent in English language,if you have been following his speeches,he makes a lot of blunders.Does that mean he isn't intelligent?

Hong Kong is mono-ethnic and that is why it was easy for them to make Chinese a co-official language. In Singapore that is over 70% chinese yet English is their major official language use for all government purposes and everybody speaks it fluently.

Mind you, there are many Black African countries where a native language is an official language in the country. Most of these countries are mono ethnic or predominantly of one tribe.
Swahili is the official language of government in Tanzania and primary & secondary school in Tanzania is conducted in swahili language and not English. This is why the majority of Tanzanian graduates find it difficult to speak fluent English.

Kingsley10000:
Abia state Governor is a Professor hope you know.

Hong kong's lingua franca is English same with Nigeria but 50% of their citizens and leaders can't speak English language fluently,Does it mean they aren't intelligent?

This your comment shows me that you are very dull

Cantonese (Chinese) is a co-official language with English in HongKong, unlike in Nigeria where English is our sole official language.

You have no business leading a country when you are not eloquent in it's sole official language.
Get that into your thick skull before you argue blindly.

ogbuefi677:
Abeg no vex.
I read your write up severally and it's on point.
I live and work in the north central now and I've observed all you said 1st hand and they're all true.
The pettiness of the Tiv man who seem to be the last to receive sense.Imagine it was only Benue and Kogi Christians that were celebrating the killing of their fellow Christians in the name of python dance on my work WhatsApp group.
For the Tivs,I suspect its their local rivalry with the Idomas personified by the prominence of David Mark that makes them wanna align with the hausa/fulani muslim barbarians though there's high chances I might be wrong.
Lemme ask ee,what is the problem of the northern Christian with Igbos,cos I've observed that also with the Borno/Yobe Christians when I spent 1 year in the north east(Adamawa Christians are more open minded to Igbos)
For the northern muslims I understand theirs cos of religion,illiteracy plus brainwashing and maybe the events around the civil war but the that of the northern Christians who have been seeing the barbarity of the northern muslims first hand surprise me till date.
I understand some of my brothers are very aggressive in their pursuit of money but I doubt if it only that.

Thank you very much.

You are correct. Jealousy for the power of Idomas in the previous tenure of the Federal government through David Mark fuelled Tiv support for Buhari.
Unfortunately for them, it did not turn out the way they wished.

Benue & Kogi people, just forget about them. Very myopic and small minded people. They are the reasons why people like us no longer believe in the same destiny for all middlebelters.


Yes I think I understand where you are coming from if you say Borno & Yobe christians dislike Igbos compared to Adamawa christians.

See, Among we northern christians who speak Hausa as a 2nd language, the more northerly you go, the more the christians there have a more 'hausanized mentality' (I don't know a better word to use).

Here is an example. I was in my sister's house in Jos some years ago and my shoe got bad, my sister told me to go and give it to the abokii/mallam along the street to sew later on. I said ok. Later on I remembered that there were no muslims or Hausa fulanis living in that part of Jos (due to the religious crisis). I asked her and she said that the mallam is a christian from Yobe state.
I was surprised and I challenged her how can they be addressing a Yobe christian as a mallam/aboki? He is just like us because he must be from one of the minority tribes in Yobe state.
You can see that this man probably behaves too 'Hausa like' for them, hence they called him Abokii

I also met a Kebbi christian in Abuja once and he identified himself as someone from Zuru emirate. I was disgusted and I challenged him.
How can a christian take pride in identifying with an emirate? Christians from places like Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa can fight you if you mistakenly address them with such identity.

I joined an indigenous Hausa christian facebook group and within a short period of time, they deleted me from the group. Why? Cos I was challenging them on their rights. They said no, they want peace.

See the names of the teenage Chibok girls who were kidnapped. They were all christians and half of them were still answering names like Asabe, Hannatu, Saratu and even Aisha for God's sake.
We use to answer such names in Plateau axis in the past, however such names died in the 80s. Only very few people in the 90s have such names in our areas, but see Chibok girls who were mostly born in the late 90s and half of them had those names.

In essence what I am trying to tell you is that core northern christians because they are closer to Hausa fulanis and most of them live in muslim dominated states, they still have this archaic arewa mentality that most of us in Plateau, Southern Kaduna axis have dropped since in the 80s and 90s.

Some of them have this mentality because it helps them survive in a hostile place. A christian whose name is YAKUBU MUSA and acts more like a Hausa and hates Igbos is more likely to get a job and be accepted by the Hausa-fulani-Kanuri muslim majority in their states than a christian whose name is JOSEPH GAMDI.

However, for us in Adamawa, Taraba, Plateau, Kaduna, Nasarawa who live in states where christians are majority or half the population, there is no pressure on us to maintain such archaic arewa mentalities and cultures. We are more westernized and we integrate with southerners better.

I hope you get my point?

If you don't mind, I'd like to ask you where you stayed in the northeast?

Hmm. Are they no longer one Hausa-fulani people again?

I pray I witness the division of Nigeria in my life time where the core-north becomes a country of it's own and Fulani herdsmen, Armed bandits, Boko haram and shia militia are left to destroy each other.

joey150:
What does Oyinbo even mean?

Isn't there a better term to use?

Oyibo was the name given to white people by Igbos.
The white man pronounced ONYIGBO (Igbo man) as OYIBO because there is no GB sound in English language.

LegendHero:
Nawa o. I’ve always respected you here coz you always comment as someone with knowledgeable history about the Middle belt.

What happened today that made you start speaking off topic is a thing of concern to me coz I don’t even know how to reply you.

Since 2003, the leading parties always rig in their stronghold. That was why there is a phrase about Nigeria politics that said “You can only rig where you are popular”.

The SS number was rigged in 2015 because there is little or no opposition in ACN in the SS to challenge Jonathan. That was why we have those mad figures in 2015.

The popularity of the PDP in the SS already waned in 2019 coupled with the fact that some SS’ner big wigs are in APC. They made sure PDP was unable to rig the numbers and the APC was able to garner almost more than 30% vote of that region.

This is the simple explanation I can give. If you still remain adamant about your words then I don’t know what else to say.

Gracias!

We know that rigging happens and keep on happening.
However, what I want to challenge in your assertion is your question to why Rivers state used to produce high number of votes.

You can manipulate voters figure but you cannot manipulate registered voters.

Rivers and Delta states always produce the highest voters in the SS/SE because they are the most populated and urbanized states in the region, just as Kano, Kaduna & Katsina produce high votes and nobody argues because they are the most populated states in the north.

My state Plateau had more voters than both Rivers & Delta in the last election, how? This has never happened before. We have never had registered voters as much as them.
This is to tell you that the figures of the last election were just written out. It was never a reflection of the people's choice.

Of course, many people did not care because it was a fulani vs fulani election.

LegendHero:
Why will anybody say election in Rivers is free and fair? RIvers that is always in a bloodbath even for governorship election is who you are putting in the same sentence with free election. Do you even know the antecedent of Rivers?

2015 election was rigged in Rivers, forget about the usual free and fair phrase, results are written in Rivers in that election

Now back to our discussion, check the difference in Rivers figure between 2015 and 2019, and tell me how you can tell me any Nigerian state voters number is not rigged. This is exactky the same rigging template Yahaya Bello Employed in Kogi (Rig the numbers).

Rivers presidential result in 2015:
PDP:1,487,075
APC: 69,238

Rivers presidential result in 2019:
PDP: 473,971
APC: 150,710

Can you please tell me what changed?

Show me the registered voters in Rivers for both elections.
2019 was clearly rigged in favor of APC. Cos this also happened in Delta too since we can assume that elections in Rivers is different.

What about Delta & Akwa Ibom? Why were they different too?

LegendHero:
Tell me one election that there is no massive rigging since 2003.

Check the voter turnout and result of the PDP in RIvers in 2015 and compare it with the 2019 RIvers voter turnout and result.

The PDP wrote results for themselves in 2015 in Rivers such that the devil himself will be confused as to how RIvers delivered that much vote.

Note: Both PDP and APC rig election, the highest rigger is the successful one!

2015 elections was one of the freest and fairest elections Nigeria ever had.

I wonder why many ignorant people always question the population of votes that come out from Rivers state.

Rivers state is the most populated state in the SE/SS. After Lagos & Kano, Port harcourt should be the most populated city in Nigeria and the city keeps on expanding and expanding in different directions that it may even merge with Aba in years to come.
Another things is that Rivers people naturally take elections very seriously compared to other SE/SS people. This is why they always have the highest registered voters and people who collect their PVCs in the region.

LegendHero:
Can you see the confusion in your post? The bolded part says a sitting governor will help his presidential candidate rig election to a certain extent.

That is exactly the plan. You would agree with me that if Lyon performs well in Bayelsa and made impact before 2023, no matter who APC fields, they will get at least 40% of votes in Bayelsa.

That is the plan. The plan is not to win SS in its majority but the APc plan is to reduce the vote margin such that the effect of the SS bloc against APC will be minimal.

Isn’t that also the reason why Buhari won in 2019? SS failed to deliver that much bloc vote they delivered in 2015, and that nailed the coffin of Atiku.

Bad news for you. Bayelsa state has the lowest and the most insignificant votes in the SS.
Rivers, Delta & Ak Ibom have 70-75% of the voters in the SS.

Just for the records, there was massive rigging in favour of APC in the 2019 presidential elections even in states that were controlled by PDP governors.

PassingShot:
Let me educate you why it seems so:

1. Bayelsa state is a core SS state in the league of Rivers and Delta states. A state like other core SS states where APC had no foothold in as recently as 2018 - not until 2019 when we started seeing some presence of APC there.
3. Bayelsa state is the home state of the last president produced by PDP. The state and the region have been hostile to APC as a result of GEJ's/PDP's loss of the presidency.

3. That GEJ abandoned PDP in Bayelsa state and showed support (or being indifferent of the contest, at least) is an indication that he has moved on despite his loss and what his wife is going through with EFCC.

4. Winning Bayelsa state gives a lot of confidence and hope to APC for other states in the region and for 2023 general elections. Such victory will surely boost their performance in that state and in the SS region entirely.

5. Surely, if GEJ/PEJ could support APC which sent them packing from Aso Rock, it means the entire Niger Delta which is their primary constituency can move on and be less hostile to APC or even embrace the party more.

6. With what played out in Bayelsa, APC's headache of worrying about SE has been reduced greatly. It's now much more easier for APC to ignore SE and their emotional blackmail and focuse more on the SS with appointments and inclusiveness. That way, SE becomes less relevant in the scheme of things since APC will now have strong footings in NW, NE, NC, SW and SS. Surely, that's a huge competitive advantage over PDP which can only boast of strength in SE and SS (now diminished) with not-so huge following in other four regions.

There are more implications but these ones should educate you already.

Plateau my state voted an APC governor in 2015 & 2019 but Buhari has never won elections there.

In 2011, Nasarawa state voted for Buhari's boy (Almakura) as a governor under CPC which was not even famous then, yet in that same 2011 & 2015, Buhari lost presidential elections in Nasarawa state.

Just as the OP PaChukwudi44 is saying. There is no direct relationship between the governor's party and national elections/the people's sentiments.

Bayelsa electing an APC candidate does not necessarily mean the Ijaws and Yorubas are now allies.

The only advantage a sitting governor from that party can do is to help in rigging that state's presidential election votes to a certain extent.

Divine200:
If middle belters wants their own country they should go ahead then. They should let south south be. We will figure out something for ourselves. Right now there is no plan for succession and so be it.

We have refused to align with Igbos for anything be it polities or Biafra

We are not biafrans and will never be.
If MB wants to join then go ahead. We will never be part of that marriage.

Contrary to what nowuse said that without the a/ibom and calabar, Ijaws will dominate. That I can beat my chest that it’s a blatant lie.
Ijaw came into the picture only when Jonathan became the president. Before then nobody gave a f4k about them.

Urhobo which I belong to will figure something out when the necessity comes till then please stop this forceful marriage.
It will never work.

I understand your plight being from plateau state and I understand that you guys have been suppressed by the Hausa Muslims for years hence your agitation towards succession. I understand that because I served there.

About succession, rather than running away from your problems because of one particular ethnic group why don’t you fight. We can all join hands and fight them. That should be the common goal. Running away doesn’t solve any problem.
Even if you were granted succession today don’t you think the problem we have in Nigeria today will persist?

Nigeria are not matured enough as a people be it north or south. We lack the fundamentals of maturity; self discipline, disunity( we always find ways to divide ourselves even within ethnic groups), very laid back in most things, non-challant attitude even when our leaders are not performing.

These problems will persists. Let’s work on these then in the future we still want to go our separate ways then we go ahead.

The only aspect I think I really need to reply in this piece of yours is your thinking that we should unite to fight the core-north while we are still in Nigeria.

How do you think this can happen?
You want to drag politics in Nigeria with a group of people who value elections more than education?
These people are breeding all over Nigeria like rats while our own people who are more educated have fewer children and many of us are leaving Nigeria per second.
The balance is tilting to their favour and a time will come when these people will be more than half of Nigeria's population.

A time will come when they won't need anybody else's vote to determine who will win elections.

Maybe that is the time when people like you will have their eyes open to the real mess we're in.

Everyday, these people keep on generating one terrorist group over the other. Yesterday it was Maitastine, Today it is Armed Bandits, Boko haram, Fulani herdsmen, Shia militia. Who knows what it will be tomorrow?

They use our taxes and the oil wealth in your region to keep fighting one terrorist group after another and no success.
Their elites have chosen to keep them in illiteracy and ignorance. How can you fight that?

Southerners & middlebelters do not have common values with core-northernerns. There is no way a nation can be built with people of different value systems.
Southerners and middlebelters irrespective of our differences, we socialize, we interrelate and interract, we intermarry. Core-northerners in their majority always seclude themselves from others.
Southerners/middlebelters we value education and we want to create succesful lives for ourselves. The average core-northerner does not care about these things.
What kind of nation can be built with them?


If with the way things are going you cannot see that Nigeria is a ticking time bomb, then I don't think I can explain anymore.

Just for the records, Ijaws are by far the most powerful minority group in Nigeria and not just the SS. Their influence came not just with GEJ, but with the Niger delta agitations and militants. They were the ones who took the bullet for the rights of Niger-deltans to be recognized and respected. They deserve Kudos for that. They are the natural leadership of the Niger delta region.

Divine200:
If middle belters wants their own country they should go ahead then. They should let south south be. We will figure out something for ourselves. Right now there is no plan for succession and so be it.

We have refused to align with Igbos for anything be it polities or Biafra

We are not biafrans and will never be.
If MB wants to join then go ahead. We will never be part of that marriage.

Contrary to what nowuse said that without the a/ibom and calabar, Ijaws will dominate. That I can beat my chest that it’s a blatant lie.
Ijaw came into the picture only when Jonathan became the president. Before then nobody gave a f4k about them.

Urhobo which I belong to will figure something out when the necessity comes till then please stop this forceful marriage.
It will never work.

I understand your plight being from plateau state and I understand that you guys have been suppressed by the Hausa Muslims for years hence your agitation towards succession. I understand that because I served there.

About succession, rather than running away from your problems because of one particular ethnic group why don’t you fight. We can all join hands and fight them. That should be the common goal. Running away doesn’t solve any problem.
Even if you were granted succession today don’t you think the problem we have in Nigeria today will persist?

Nigeria are not matured enough as a people be it north or south. We lack the fundamentals of maturity; self discipline, disunity( we always find ways to divide ourselves even within ethnic groups), very laid back in most things, non-challant attitude even when our leaders are not performing.

These problems will persists. Let’s work on these then in the future we still want to go our separate ways then we go ahead.

Hmm @ Efewestern. What can you say about this comment from your tribesman?

scholes0:
They are not even up to 60K and they are under 'others'/
Kogi lg is predominantly Egbura Koto.

Go through this link and see the list of villages and towns in Kogi LGA.

https://nigeriazipcodes.com/4425/list-of-towns-and-villages-in-kogi-lga/

See many of them with names ending in BASSA & GWARI.
Apart from these vicious names to tell you the owners of these communities. I know of towns like Chikara & Tawari to be Gbagyi communities. There are many others there too.

I was in a Gbagyi forum one day and the question was asked for everyone to identify the names of their villages & LGAs. I was shocked to see the large number of people there listing many different communities in Kogi LGA as their villages.

Recently I was reading the history of the ethnic conflicts between Ebira koto (Egbura) and Bassa people in Toto LGA of Nasarawa state and I discovered that Egburas have always been in charge of district power to collect taxes from the Bassas since precolonial days, even though the Bassas were the majority and the Egburas were minority.
From what I am seeing, this could be what is playing out in Kogi LGA because this also plays out in neighbouring Abaji LGA of FCT. ....Gbagyis are there in good numbers, but the Egburas own the kingship system (Ona of Abaji).

Deadlytruth:
Which facts are you talking about? I have been offline for nearly two months now due to been in the field at a place located in a very remote rural area virtually without network. I am back now to refute your traditional lies. Your nightmare is back. I will soon start responding to your fairy tales.

You are a liar. Before I made my last comment on this thread, I checked your profile and saw that you came online many times after the previous comment.

Even after I made my last comment, you were still coming online.

I am done with this argument as it is already stale.
You can go and argue with the Temple brothers who legally registered your people in colonial records as Ebira people and northerners.

I wasn't the one who made the classification.

So this thread has now turned to a Ghana VS Kenya? Interesting.

mtisTheQubit:
man i was really scared..thought was Nowenuse ..hey sally sorry again...thought was someone we used to know..

You and NairobiWalker should not mention my name anymore on this stupid thread.

So, you mean this mad thread is still on?
The obsession with Nigeria is very real then.

jumper524:
everybody, every tribe migrated from somewhere, the moment they become large settlers in that community they become residence and owners.

If this is true, then why were Gbagyi youths and Hausas in Bwari fighting?

Can Igbos in Sabongari, Kano be allowed to claim indigeneship of Kano state? Can they be given indigene forms and every benefit a Kano state indigene gets?

And also thanks for associating me with Almajari, it goes to show a long way why God made you minority as you would never hesitate at the slightest chance you get to discriminate.
By tribe, by religion, by height and if possible by shoe size cos hate has deepened into your heart.

Tell that to your Hausa fulani brethren who have been fighting all other ethnic groups in Nigeria and killing and causing trouble everywhere they go.

Keep fighting for justice that could be gotten smartly and peacefully with hatred and I pray you someday become victim of your own genocide.

It will be an honour to die protecting the dignity and integrity of my people.
Can you do the same?

Lastly my last statement means Give respect to the majority where ever you find yourself so they'll have no reason to discriminate you.

And this is the mentality that has kept your people in perpetual mental slavery and servitude.
Why is a fulani emir ruling Gbagyi people in Niger east? Were your people conquered and enslaved by the fulanis just as Hausa people were? Pls answer this question or forever shut those cowardly mouths of yours.

You either earn power: which is the best way
Or you take it: which result from bloodshed.

Now, tell me how you earn power without demanding for it and taking a stand on your rights?
The last time I checked, Sayawa people of Southern Bauchi cleansed all muslims out of Tafawa Balewa town and they were independent of the Emir of Bauchi and granted their own independent ethnic chiefdom by Bauchi state government, meanwhile your own Gbagyi people in Niger east are still ruled by a fulani emir till today till tomorrow.

So, tell me about earning rights.

Once again keep hatred from your permutation, am from f.c.t I've never discriminated any tribe, race or region except Ipob, bokoharam, and shai who of course were becoming a nuisance to the country peace.
I wonder what you would be saying if u were born Almajari( we can't choose our own faith)

You are from FCT and you've never discriminated, bla bla bla.

Was this the reason why Hausa & Gbagyi youths clashed in Bwari heavily this year and almost set the whole town on fire?
Is this the reason why Hausa fulanis want to force an Emirate on Gbagyi indigenes of FCT and they fiercely rejected it leading to crisis?

Go and get a life and stop being a 3rd class slave of the caliphate because of religion.
Once foöls become muslims, they stop having any senses in their heads, rather only willing to do the bidding of fulanis.
This is the reason why many tribes in the middlebelt will descend on their own indigenous muslims first before facing the Hausa fulani settlers in cases of crisis.

A hausa man will still see these foolish tribal muslims as fake & inferior muslims and call them TUBEBE (converts). Tufiakwa!

Efewestern:
@bolded, this i won't agree with you, I once met an Abuja native (Christian) who was proud of her alliance to the core north, in fact she told me she was Hausa at first, when I doubted her, she then revealed her ethnic group, she was from Gbagyi.

Even online, I have seen youths from middle belt defend the core north, there is one Benue man on this forum that hardly defends his people but is quick to attack any one who attacks the core north.

So far I haven't seen any desire from majority of you to stand alone, I may be wrong.

You see Kogi & Benue, then Kwara and lower FCT (Abaji area) which shares boundary with Kogi and was formerly part of Kogi state (old Kwara state).
They tend to reason a bit differently from those of us from Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Upper Nasarawa, Taraba, Adamawa e.t.c.
Those ones do not share a boundary with the core-north, so they never really understood the evils of the core-north.

I came across Benue people who were laughing at Plateau people when fulanis were attacking us in the past, calling us drunkards who sold our lands to fulani. Not until fulani rampage got to Benue did most of them start to develop any senses.
Didn't you see Paul Unongo (A tiv man) who was the spokesperson for Arewa consultative forum up until Fulanis dealt with Tiv people before he resigned?
Can't you see how Buhari won in Benue in 2015?

These people are mentally very petty and trivial. They never witnessed what those of us in the upper parts of the middlebelt witness, hence to some of these people, Igbos are their biggest problems rather than the core-north.

This was one reason why I resigned as a leader of a middlebelt group cos I no longer believe a joint identity with Kogi & Benue people. People from Nasarawa, Taraba, Southern Kaduna, Adamawa, South Bauchi e.t.c are the ones we Plateau people share something in common with and most of these people are prevented from joining the middlebelt forums because ignorant people will argue with you that middlebelt must be restricted to the north-central.

So, maybe when I say 95% of the youths, I was strictly referring to the Plateau, Southern Kaduna axis.
Those lower middlebelters sometimes tend to be very ignorant, cheap and petty like that Gbagyi girl you met who I suspect must be from Abaji or Kwali/Gwalgwalada.
You will hardly find a Bwari or Kuje or Karu Gbagyi person say this cos they have witnessed first hand the evil of Hausa fulanis. They had a heavy clash with them this year.


Back in the 90s, when Kataf & Bajju people were fighting with Hausa fulanis in Zangon Kataf (Southern Kaduna), Adara & Gbagyi people in the same Southern Kaduna were praised by the Hausas for being peaceful and tolerant people unlike the Katafs, and they were foolishly happy about it.
It was so bad that sometime around the late 90s, a Gbagyi leader walked out on Southern Kaduna people on a national discussion on the issue of the creation of Gurara state (for Southern Kaduna people).
He said that he and his Gbagyi people are friends and brothers to the Hausa fulanis and they are not interested in any new state, that they preferred to remain in Kaduna.
Due to the strategic location of the Gbagyis in Southern Kaduna, a Gurara state won't be very possible without them.

Fast forward to 2001 Sharia crisis when Hausa fulani showed the Gbagyis their true colour. Today, Gbagyi people in Southern Kaduna are at the forefront of independent agitations Go and ask anybody you know that knows Kaduna well about GONIN GORA. A gbagyi town where muslim travellers to Kaduna city meet their waterloo.

Sebi you have been hearing about killings in Southern Kaduna earlier this year and last year? Most of the victims are Adara people. Even their traditional ruler was killed.
Hausa fulanis cannot take this madness to Zangon Kataf and environs, cos their memories of what happened to them there in the past are still fresh.

In summary. This is just to let you know that people from areas who have not seen the evil of Hausa fulani first hand tend to have a greater tendency of foolishness when it comes to issue of self determination.


Yes, the reason you have not seen any tangible move of self identity from the middlebelt is because of the unworkable nature of a pan middlebelt umbrella. The diverse peoples of the middlebelt are very different in reasoning, mentality and struggles.
A group of minority people can never make a headway if there is no leadership group amongst them. People know the Niger delta today because of the leadership of the Ijaws in the region who were ready to take the bullet for the region. We do not have such a group in the middlebelt for now and this is what we are working on. Very soon it will be unveiled.

jumper524:
Do you think everything is violence? my Goodness your kind are the ones we should keep away from.
Nupes are majority in Nigerstate but with the peaceful manner of correlation amongst all tribes they are able to come into a consensus in everything. They zone their leadership in the state and still live peacefully.
When minorities keep living and seeing themselves as minorities, how do you expect them to rule the state or become stakeholders there? Talba was able to rule Niger state because he's from Minna he wasn't gbagyi which are majority he's from the minority tribe there, yet he was able to rule. your likes may claim because he's a Muslim but no it was because he was smart and know how to associate, he never saw himself as minority, he never discriminated himself.
Christians despite being minority in the state still live peacefully amongst the muslims , there has never been a time when churches were raided in Niger state, Christians in Niger state have never been discriminated..
You see it seems your not realising the fact that your being tribalistic and sentimental in your assertion, from your assertion it seems you don't see the possibilities of Muslims and Christians living together.
Cos even if you achieve your middle belt today, you'll still discriminate amongst tribes or religion. It has always been in you from your day one analysis.

You need to learn how to come to terms with people especially your host.

I can see that you clearly justify peace based on inequity and injustice.

Why should Gbagyi, Kadara, Kamuku and even Kambari people of Niger state be ruled by fulani islamic emirates when at least 60% of them are christians? And you don't see anything wrong with this?

Why should Hausa people claim to be indigenes of Minna or any part of Gbagyi land, when they are settlers in these places?

We in Southern Kaduna, Plateau, FCT and parts of Taraba, Adamawa e.t.c wholly reject the possiblity of a Hausa or fulani settler claiming to be indigenes on our soil because we would never be allowed to claim indigeneship of Zamfara, Katsina or Sokoto states.
This has been the reason for series of crises in the region.

Many Gbagyis in Niger state are muslims and this is why they allow the Hausa fulani settlers claim their lands unchallenged. Had it been they were overwhelmingly christians like the Gbagyis of Southern Kaduna & FCT, they would never allow such nonsense.

Talba or whatever they call themselves can only claim Minna and rule in a state like Niger because most Nupes will vote him, not because Gbagyis will support him.
Otherwise, Imagine if Niger east was a state of it's own where Gbagyi is the official ethnic group, do you think a Hausa immigrant who claims to be from Minna can be elected a governor? Can a Hausa man who claims to be from Minna be elected senator of Niger east? Hell no. Unless they rig their way in.


Get that into your thick almajiri head. Our people can never accept peace on the alter of injustice and inequity.
We can only accept peace in Nigeria when there is fairness, justness and equity for all.

How many times have you heard of discrimination by tribe in Plateau state? This can only happen in Kogi & Benue. In Plateau, southern Kaduna, Nasarawa, Taraba e.t.c. all the tribes are smaller tribes and no tribe alone has up to one-quarter of the state's population. Tribalism cannot be possible in this settings.


Lastly, I don't understand your last sentence, what do you mean to come to peace with my host? Explain this better.

Efewestern:
It's sad some of your people are being influenced by them, I think proximity and religion is playing a big role in here, I once told you sometime back that most of you are not doing enough to break free from the influence of the core north, some of you still go on with the Arewa tag, like WTF?

You know these guys behave meek when they are outside their zone, hence it is always difficult seeing through their intentions.

You see, in this life, some drastic changes among a population of people happen generation after generation. It just cannot happen at once.

There was a time our people used to answer ridiculous native Hausa names that even majority of the Hausas themselves do not answer. You hear names like Mainoma, Madaki, Bature, Auta, Danfulani, Maimagani, Danjuma. These are still family names of many of our people till date.

That era left and people started answering Hausa Bible names like Ibrahim, Yohanna, Yusuf, Irmiya, Ishaya, Hauwa, Hannatu, Nuhu e.t.c
This era has also gone now and you can hardly find modern parents giving such names to their children again. It is either a native name or a pure English/Bible name.

I and my siblings were born in the 90s and my father gave us those silly names like Ibrahim, Alhamdu e.t.c . Thank God my mother instantly changed them to native/English names and hers stuck.

Most of our elderly and some middle aged people were brought up all their life to believe that Arewa is their destiny, identity and personality. Some of these people, no matter the injustice meted on our people, their minds just cannot be able to comprehend a distinct identity and struggle for themselves.
To them, they will try to give every excuse for the stupidity of Hausa fulani people. Unfortunately, my father falls under this category. My mother used to be in between until I fully convinced (converted) her

The good part is that 95% of this current youth generation (below 40 years of age) have no affinity, likeness or allegiance to anything Arewa (except for the muslim minority in our midst).

A good percentage of the middle-aged and even elderly have reversed their decisions.

Hence a drastic change in mentality and agitation has already begun. See an elder like Bitrus Pogu, a man from Southern Borno is the current president of middlebelt forum and at the forefront of championing unity between the South and Middlebelt.

Some of us are now even becoming anti-Nigeria and pro secession. You can see that Kogi guy's comment above.
We had a meeting recently and I was shocked to see people from even Adamawa in our group being pro-secession and even pro-IPOB
It's just a matter of time.

Didn't you see John Danfulani, a southern Kaduna leader go to meet Nnamdi Kanu to tell him that his people will join Biafra? Nnamdi Kanu was even planning a rally in Kaduna before the python dance. Not one Southern Kaduna person came out to speak against John Danfulani.... If it was the past, could such a thing ever happen?

@Your last paragraph. Yes, Hausa fulanis behave meek outside their zones, only when they are in a minority. As soon as they get numbers, they show their true colour.
Can't you see what they have been doing in Lagos? The Mile 2 crisis 2 years ago?

The incidence of this lady in this thread happened in Lagos and not anywhere close to the north.

FrLukas:
I know you don't know what you are talking about. It is this attitude of empty puerile boasting that always gets you in trouble.

Where were you when MKO Abiola died and there were riots in Yoruba land? Igbo loaded their families on trucks and fled back to the east in great numbers.

I was in Jos North LGA, Bukuru, to be precise around the years 2008-2010 which included service year among other things I was doing there then.

Soldiers had to go out with their trucks to retrieve corpers serving in Jos and bring them to camp in Bukuru.

Igbo were badly massacred along with some Yorubas.

Come and see dead bodies on the road as military trucks swerved to avoid mashing them.

The day you stop your empty boasts which has never endeared you to others, I'm sure other ethnicities will begin to look at you differently.

You can't be boasting that you are safe in another man's land because you dominate a particular quarters.

I pity you.

Is it possible for you to outnumber the indigenes? If they rise up against you, you better flee for dear life. It's not cowardice. It is self preservation.

Just seeing this reply of yours to Tobichimezie.

I am an indigene of Plateau state and I can confidently tell you that in any religious crisis in Jos or Kaduna, Yorubas loose more people than Igbos.

The Yoruba association in Jos released their 2008 report of losses in the Jos crisis and they lost more people than the Igbos.

Nasarawa Gong was a predominantly Yoruba area of Jos since colonial times. They lost it to the Hausas in 2008 crisis.

Yorubas suffer more casualty in crises in Jos & Kaduna because both Yoruba muslims & christians are caught across both sides of the crossfire.
Igbos on the other hand quickly team up with the christian indigenes against the Hausa fulanis and suffer casualty only on one side.

Stop arguing what you don't know.

@Asnafsaeed.

If I had known that you were the same handler as nyamuri and Alhassanyusuf, I wouldn't have wasted my time exchanging words with a coward like you who hides his reply when the debate becomes hot and embarrassing.

Since you claim you know something, why do you hide your replies like a coward?

Oh, you don't like it when people like us expose you Hausa-fulanis for the inherent evil that you are abi?

Look below and see the comment of other Nigerians in a different thread, talking about how Yoruba muslims usually flee to christian dominated areas whenever crisis begins in Kano or Jos or Kaduna.

My happiness is that many Nigerians across different regions are beginning to see you people for the inherent evil that you are. In the nearest future, the center will not be able to hold anymore.

Efewestern:
In Udu 90% of the bikemen are natives, but from Ughoton down to Ughokodo and Shaguolo, majority are northerners, you need to see how they drive, even the keke business that is sustaining our youths, because of the dead economy of the overhyped city is still being shared with these guys.

Worst is, they don't bring development into the town, they ship in thousands monthly from God knows where, land they won't buy, house they won't build, flats they won't rent, they are not just adding anything positive into the society. Their mentality is something else.

I just have to agree these guys are just different from the rest of us, they don't even believe in the Nigeria project like some of us do.

Exactly. Only a Hausa fulani man will never build a house or invest outside the north. Other tribes will invest anywhere they live and earn a living.

Unfortunately, this evil and satanic mentality of theirs has rubbed off on some of our people through contact. My father has this mentality, but my mother disagreed and rejected it. She bought a land here in Uvwie and develop it with her own money. It is such a crazy thing to live and earn a living in a place for over 20 years and you leave with your bags and all the money you made back to your homestate without any positive contribution to that place.
That shows you do not actually believe in one Nigeria deep down in your heart.

When Hausas come to your place, they do not integrate, interract and socialize with the natives. They live on their own in their secluded quarters.
I and my family members communicate exclusively with pidgin english at home (not that it is something to take great pride in, cos Nigerians are supposed to value native languages more). However, this shows how much my family integrated with Warri natives. People don't even believe I am from Plateau state when I am in Jos cos I am Warri through and through in accent and expression.
Half of my family members are married to Urhobos, Edos e.t.c

You can never find this attribute among Hausa fulani people even though they have lived 3 generations outside the north. Rather they will seek to impose their own values in the place they migrated to.

How can we ever achieve a united country based on equity with such kind of people?

It will shock you to know that some of those Hausa men you see changing dollars and dealing in foodstuffs transportation from the north are actually millionaires. Some are very rich. However, they will continue to live in those Hausa quarters or rented squalors in the south for eternity, while they build and own mansions in their homestates.
The mentality of these people beat me.

It's so unfortunate that most Southerners do not see through these people.

jumper524:
like I said, if truly ur from plateau, then your just a political puppet used to divide the north. Niger State has both Muslims and Christians but still live peacefully with each other same as benue, f.c.t, Kwara, kogi e.t.c your likes and your analysis only portray you as an enemy of unity. Reason why till tomorrow plateau and southern Kaduna keeps having religious crisis.
Ur likes are the only folks ignorant of your identity. Keep middlebelt out of your permutation Pls I beg you.
You can relocate to IPOB since your method of reasoning relates with them.

Niger state muslims and christians still live in peace because of 2 reasons.

1) They are from the same tribes. Most muslims in Niger east & Niger south are not Hausa fulani. They are Gbagyis, Kadaras & Nupes.
Tribal muslims are not very extremist hence in most cases they live in peace with christians.

2) Niger state christians (Gbagyis & Kainji christians) are too weak to stand for their rights.
Gbagyi & Adara christians in Nasarawa, Southern Kaduna and FCT are not ruled by Emirates. They have their Sa Gbagyi, Etsu Karu, Agwom Adara e.t.c. They fought to get their indigenous titles. Those in Niger state are cowards.
The day they rise up to stand for their rights is the day peace ceases in Niger state.

So, now will you say peace should continue on the grounds that people are denied their rights?


If violence is the price people in Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Taraba & Adamawa have to pay for their rights to be respected and accorded to them. Then it is a good price to pay and Nigeria should expect more from us.