₦airaland Forum

Area4Area:
Give us the full details on how the British cameroons became German then British and French

When Germany lost the 2nd world war. Their overseas territories, Cameroon, Tanzania and I think Mozambique and Togo (not so sure), were witheld by the western powers and shared amongst themselves.

jom28gy:
The state of origin, is the origin of discrimination,,it divide us than unite us,by implications, they are trying how to removed it.

I'm sorry, but the STATE OF ORIGIN clause has come to stay in Nigeria. It can never be removed because we are not a homogenous country.
It can only work in a homogenous country or a country where everybody has a sense of oneness.

If it is removed, minority tribes also stand to be the most disadvantaged.

This is not a bad idea.
However, as a middlebelter from Plateau state, I would have preferred if this was more or less a sensitization of our people on why we should begin to agitate for secession.

Nigeria is a very unworkable entity.
For a nation to be united and progressive, it must have a core value which is shared by the majority (at least 70%) of it's citizens.
We have no such core value in Nigeria.

Nigeria is the only country in the world which has multiple majority ethnic groups and 50/50 religious division. This doesn't exist anywhere else.

The earlier Nigeria is divided, the better for all of us. Except the core-north of course, who are the biggest leeches and beneficiaries of this retrogressive and unworkable system.

Godsonjoe:
Even not all part of adamawa..... As far they did referendum and they made There way into nizooeria, biafra can!.... through referendum. only in nizooeria that referendum simply means war..

Yes you are correct.

Southern Cameroons which was formerly part of Nigeria had a referendum and voted to leave Nigeria and join Cameroon.

Godsonjoe:
Tell me the law nizooeria government is keeping.... I hope you are aware that nizooeria is signatory to right of self determination! but what is happening now? Adamawa was not initially included in the creation of the contraption called nizooeria, but through referendum, they made there way to nizooeria.. So nizooeria can allow adamawa into there zoological republic through referendum, but they can't allow biafra there right of self determination through referendum.... Time shall tell

Just for the records, it's parts of Adamawa (Jada-Ganye-Toungo axis), parts of Taraba (Mambilla axis) and parts of Southern Borno (Gwoza axis) that were not in Nigeria. Not the entirety of Adamawa state.

ednited:
Sidama is now a new state not a country. Many people on nairaland is misinformed.

Okay. Which state was Sidama formerly part of?
Is Sidama an ethnic group of it's own?
Are they predominantly muslim or christian?
Which major ethnic group are they more related to? Habeshas, Oromos or Somalis?

ProudDick:
You lack the brain capacity to debate anyone for that matter. Smart people would laugh at your stupidity. Because you lived in Benin then you must know that they travel more than ondo people when you know nothing about ondo. Dunce.

Touts in Benin are the most fiery I ever seen. Yet this idiot is talking about thugs in Yoruba land. Go to aba and see real thuggery.

Thuggery exists in the SS/SE, however they are not celebrated and promoted by the society unlike in the SW.

Dedetwo:
From what you posted previously, I guess you should have realized that the term, Hausa-Fulani, is a pure misnomer. It does not exist. It is political fraud designed to confuse ignoramuses in the shithole called Nigeria. There are Hausa and Fulani. I honestly do not think that either Hausa or Fulani is the largest ethnicity in the country. It is rather unfortunate that someone who claimed Plateau State as home could not fathom the political fraud in the term Hausa-Fulani.

Lol, who doesn't know of the difference between Hausas & Fulanis?

However, we refer to them together because these people have merged together politically and culturally.

Are you aware that the majority of people who claim to be Fulanis in Nigeria (from the northwest) have been Hausanized?

Buhari, Shagari, Yaradua who all claim to be fulanis from the northwest, yet cannot make a complete sentence in Fulfude language?

Socio-politically and mentally, Hausa-fulani and even Kanuris, Bauchi & Yobe minority tribes are together. They are socio-culturally inseparable from each other.
They are better identified as the CORE-NORTHERNERS! and they are the largest socio-political group of people in Nigeria today.

I would have even generalised more widely by saying NORTHERN MUSLIMS, because almost all northern muslims are under one political clout and identity.
However, many middlebelt muslims do not have the same mindset as the core-northern muslims, some are more liberal culturally, hence unsuitable.

ProudDick:
Which percentage did you use you fool? Edos do not travel more than ijebu alone. Fools like you make asinine statements which you know nothing about.

You are as dumb, childish and irresponsible as the name of your moniker, desist from quoting me cos I don't have the time to debate people like you.

Peacemaker5129:
they are Christians

Rajosh:
The worst thing is that they're all Christians.
I even saw an Igala(Ocheja) and an akwa ibom(effiom) there.

Of course they would be. Taraba is a christian majority state and christians go to school more than muslims.

However, this clearly should be influenced by Southerners and Kogi/Benue people.

Onlinealaba:
Lol..cultism seems to be a southern things these ones trying to import it to the north are daft but wait Jos and Benue is topping the list in frat matter
we sell Smart TV's

What do you mean by Jos & Benue topping the list?

Vcblinks:
bro,that's just the truth ooh but when u tell those niger Delta minorities the truth there will say you want to dominate them.i told one have igbo man vied for elections in ur place has any igbo man become commissioner.so where is the domination.my brother u guys are good people have had friends from Mr kefas,kyanet,lahu,davaza are my friend s from that ur region.u guys are good and deserve a country cos the suppression is too much

Thank you very much.

I am a leader in a middlebelt group and I raised this topic among our people and I couldn't believe that a good number of our people (even from Adamawa) support Biafra and have a support for our own people's secession.

As time goes on, we will make our people see reasons for this one by one.

ednited:
Is it about our constitution?

Selam. Yes dear please.
Myself and Area4Area are arguing if the option for a referendum for secession is allowed in the Ethiopian constitution.

We are also hearing of a referendum in the Siddama region of Ethiopia, is there anything like that going on?

LegendHero:
What is civilized about Nigeria? Tell me one thing civilized about this country. The people that encourages thuggery are the politician and it is hard for you to see NURTW standing alone without politician alliance and interference.

Nigeria is not civilized, but why are you and I educated? Is it not in the hope that we should become more civilized, hence a more civilized society?

Do you even know the meaning of NURTW to start with? Do you know there are lot of literate plying that trade and making huge money outta it? I’ve told you we have good NURTW workers that are responsible with families to cater for. That baba carrying passenger from Ibadan to Osun is a NURTW member and he has family to cater for back home so what is his sin ?

Yes there are literates within NURTW, but the illiterates and thugs far outnumber the literates.

Yes I will not deny that this system of transportation is a great source of self-employment for millions of people. However, it largely enriches the most powerful thugs who can mobilize boys (other thugs), rather than empowering big time educated capitalists and investors with legally registered business ventures who pay tax to the government.

It is not a system that promotes development and fits into the modern world! This is why such systems do not exist in the developed world.

Because we have bad police in the force, does that imply we should eradicate the police force in its entirety? Police are one of the highest extortionist we have in Nigeria, should we then eradicate them completely because it’s been polluted by criminals?

When there are too many criminals in the police force or a security force, the whole force is supposed to be reorganized, restructured and reorientated! And this is what the Nigerian govt should have long done.

If we want a sane society, this NURTW thing should be abolished and the transport system should be open to capitalist investors who will have registered transport companies with reliable customer services and pay tax to the government. This people in turn will employ thousands of drivers.
This will increase the competition to please customers and in return be a big favour to we the customers.

These NURTW people carry their outdated vehicles in terrible conditions and put in parks, forcing 10 people into a vehicle meant for only 5 people. And once the motor spoils halfway, your money is gone!
They talk to people rudely and even harass their passengers. They increase their fares whenever they like and we the customers have no other choice because it is a union which they abide to.

This is the reason why Nigeria as a country will never work.
See you now, an educated, most likely youth is here rigorously defending the NURTW system of transportation which celebrates the most rigorous thugs over a more customer friendly capitalist and organized system of transportation. Why? Simply because of tribalism. You must defend your yoruba people who mostly practice and promote this NURTW system.

I won't be surprise if people like you also defend the Owomidas and Omoniles tomorrow.

LegendHero:
What should I do with the Facebook attachment you keep attaching. What should I also do with Edo people abroad and how should that be my headache. Is this a superiority contest or why should I bother about Edo abroad.

The premises of my argument is within Nigeria and tribe that inter travel much. How much is the number of Edo in Nigeria compared to their Yoruba counterpart?

Were you not the one arguing with me?

When measuring intra-migration within region, don’t you think numbers should be factor into it. Have you ever wondered why the population of people moving into SW daily is more than any other region in Nigeria?

People moving into Lagos daily. How many people move to Ibadan, Osogbo or Ogomosho?

Ilorin to Lagos is about 6 hours or more.

Benin to PH is 4 hours, yet you can never find along vehicles from Benin to PH, you must use a transport company, so I don't get your point.

Business investment is a function of Market coz that is what determines the type of business you venture into. For you to be successful you have to carry out Market research to know the business ideas that will yield the profit for you. I don’t have time to keep explaining things over and over again!

So are you saying that if I open a transport company from Ilorin to Lagos, Ado-Ekiti to Lagos, Ondo to Ibadan, then I won't make profit because most Yoruba people will not patronize me since they prefer along motors?

What is really your point?

The SS and SE have a better organized transport system than the Yorubas, just face it. No argument there.

LegendHero:
How is that your headache? Did any Yoruba come to your house to beg you to emancipate them.

Have you forgotten the Union is also a means of livelihood to people and everyone won’t work in a corporate company or as business men or women.

Do you know how much the unionist rake in for the government daily or you don’t you think that is a form of revenue generating agency for the local government too.

MC Oluomo that you all tend to abuse had his son emerge the valedictorian in Georgia and we all saw the picture where the governor of Texas honored his family.

What have you ever achieved for yourself or your environment to make you badmouth others people work no matter how dirty you could think they are.

You all just come online and condemn everything not knowing that is a means of living for those people and you should also know there is dignity in labor.

For every bad NURTW you have, we have hundreds of good one making their money and contributing to the common wealth.

You are very correct. There is dignity in Labour.

However, in a civilized clime and settings which you and I should strive for, Agberoism and thuggery should never be encouraged or celebrated. NURTW is doing just that. It celebrates and encourages thuggery.

How do you think a society where thuggery is celebrated will be able to convince it's youths and children that education is the key to success?

LegendHero:
Your analogy is based on a defective premises and your personal experience shouldn’t be a rallying sample point to have this much confidence for what you claimed.

Anyway I don’t argue things that can’t be quantified, so I’ll just agree with what you said until real data prove otherwise.

Got you.

Didn't you see the live in facebook experiment I gave you?

Here again, I just did another for ITOHAN & ESOHE (common benin names).
Do it yourself, just type any common Benin name you know and you will see so many people answering that name living abroad in the first page of your search and 90% of the people you will see in the search are either living in Benin or abroad.

Yoruba people even leave the SW compared to Benin people who hardly ever leave Benin unless they are travelling abroad !

Yet you see GIG (the best transport & logistics company in Nigeria) is in Benin. You also have Bob Izua, Muyi line, Ohonba motors, Edegbe line, Osariemen motors, Osaro motors... and others!

So you can see that your excuse is not good enough. It holds no water.

LegendHero:
Do you have any statistical data to back that up or you’re just using the figment of your imagination or the usual analogy of Italy?

You should know NURTW had a long history in Yorubaland and having a transport company that make use of luxurious buses to transit within the SW will be a bad market decision.

In economics, market are different and the several factors might dampen the growth of a particular business relative to another location. I can easily get sole (bus not in bus-stops) going to any location in the SW and most private people tend to do the business themselves using normal buses than organized luxurious buses.

I still stand by my words, the reason why the Yorubas don’t see organized transport companies as a good business investment is because of the culture of not traveling much in numbers outside their enclaves and the fact that normal along and hummer buses can cover the length and breadth of the SW and it’s been like that for ages.

Your last words tho, Yoruba leads in everything, not just NURTW. Other regions have NURTW, just that the Yoruba superiority also take place in that domain!

Face it bro.... Yorubas just love the 'tout & thuggery culture'...
This is whey everything from Agbero to Omo onile to Owomida are the handiworks of Yorubas.
You people should change abeg.

LegendHero:
Do you have any statistical data to back that up or you’re just using the figment of your imagination or the usual analogy of Italy?

You should know NURTW had a long history in Yorubaland and having a transport company that make use of luxurious buses to transit within the SW will be a bad market decision.

In economics, market are different and the several factors might dampen the growth of a particular business relative to another location. I can easily get sole (bus not in bus-stops) going to any location in the SW and most private people tend to do the business themselves using normal buses than organized luxurious buses.

I still stand by my words, the reason why the Yorubas don’t see organized transport companies as a good business investment is because of the culture of not traveling much in numbers outside their enclaves and the fact that normal along and hummer buses can cover the length and breadth of the SW and it’s been like that for ages.

Your last words tho, Yoruba leads in everything, not just NURTW. Other regions have NURTW, just that the Yoruba superiority also take place in that domain!

I schooled in Benin and have lived there for about 7 years.
It is almost impossible to find a Benin family without people abroad.
Go to Benin, people are building new houses everyday and everywhere and a lot of them comes from abroad money. Containers with foreign provisions and used appliances are opening everywhere in Benin. It is a lucrative business that is inspired from the Benins in diaspora.

Infact see a simple experiment I just did.
Pick any Benin name you know and search for it on facebook and check where the people answering these names reside!

I just did it for OSARETIN & OSARO (random names) and see the results I am getting

My brother, dey nor dey argue am oo. Benins have the largest percentage of people abroad compared to any other Nigerian ethnic group!

From what I am seeing, something around 30% of Benin youths are abroad. No Nigerian tribe can match this. Not even Igbos who travel abroad more than Yorubas.

UdechiHD:
When did national cohesion mean an Hausa/Fulani unity? I don't know where you picked Hausa/Fulani from my post.

You spoke of National cohesion.

Can a national cohesion of Nigerian people work without the Hausa-fulanis who are the largest block of people?

Or what do you mean by national cohesion?

LegendHero:
You again! What is the total number of all Edo people combined? How will you even compare Edo state to Yorubas in numbers if something is not wrong somewhere.

The premises of the arguments is based on intra-Nigeria traveling across regions and that made me talk about the Yorubas (6 SW states) not traveling around the country in their majority to other places.

It is a fact that Yorubas are reserved within our enclaves and the percentage of Yorubas in other regions of Nigeria is lesser in comparison to the other major tribes.

I won’t talk about your bolded word coz it will just be an exercise in futility in trying to debate number of Yorubas and Edo people in diaspora.

You obviously did not read my post well.

I said Edo people travel abroad more than Yoruba people based on PERCENTAGE and not absolute population.

Of course, there are more Yoruba people abroad than Edos, but there is a higher percentage of Edo people abroad compared to Yorubas. That is my point.

Yorubas travel out of their homeland less compared to Igbos & Hausas because the most developed city in Nigeria is in their region.

However, what about Yorubas travelling from Kwara, Kogi, Ondo and Ekiti to Lagos?

Igbos & Niger deltans have many transport companies who travel within their own respective regions.
For instance, most people travelling from Benin, Auchi, Ekpoma, Oghara, Sapele and Warri to Port harcourt, Calabar and Uyo will make use of transport company vehicles and not ALONG VEHICLES.

Unless you are travelling from lets say Warri- Benin (1 hour journey), that's when people mostly use along vehicles.
Infact it is a 50/50 thing from Warri- Benin between Along vehicles and transport companies.
Many people still take Bob Izua, Muyi line, Ecobus and many other transport companies from Benin- Warri and Vice versa.

So, this NURTW is mostly a Yoruba thing. Yorubas just have a love for the Agbero culture if you ask me

Area4Area:
You said you're from Plateau state and I didn't care to ask you same question

Because I know you are lying. You cannot even spell Borno well, you spelt it BORNU. Which person cannot even spell his state well?

Why will you be denying your ethnic group just because you want to troll on nairaland?
Why have we the youths of today gone so mentally low because of things like this?

I am a proud Plateau man and I have never hidden it since I joined nairaland in 2013. My threads are there to show.
So if you think I am denying my identity, hence enough reason for you to deny yours, then you are just very shallow.

Area4Area:
Go read up the Ethiopian constitution, they have referendum on having autonomous regions but not on secession from the country, I know you're basing your argument on what happened recently

Where is Ednited? Maybe she can help us clarify this. She is an Ethiopian on nairaland.

Area4Area:
I'm from Bornu state sir

What part of Borno and what ethnic group if I may ask?

legba1:
Who says they are only strong in SW....you can just mistakenly carry like 5 folks in you car and try drop one of them at lugbe...then you will see them come at you and vandalise your vehicle.......the day they dealt with me...they did same to a policeman and dare him do his worst,,,,this is in ABJ and not SW.......na only soja thos MOFO fear

Hausas and SS people too to an extent value this NURTW.
However, Middlebelt and Igbo people do not value this thing.

LegendHero:
You are right! The Yorubas in their majority are actually reserved and they will rather travel abroad than move around inter-region in huge numbers.

Which explained why there ain't lot of company owned luxurious buses of SW company as against the other regions.

Tho the above statement dosen't implies any superiority and do not mean the Yorubas are better than others.

Edos travel abroad more than Yoruba people on percentage basis.
Infact you find 5 Benin people trying to migrate abroad before you see 1 Benin person who wants to travel to Lagos, Abuja or PH...... But inspite of this, Edo has over 10 company owned transport vehicles.

This is not an excuse.

Besides, Yorubas migrate to the north and SS a lot. Yorubas in the North and SS can be up to 3 million.

Area4Area:
Why is he in London and shouting referendum when he can easily buy it at main market Onitsha?

I am a middlebelter from Plateau state and I guess you are Yoruba. I want to ask you why you Yorubas are seriously against the Igbo desire for self determination?

Are you people enjoying this one Nigeria with so much retrogression and terrorism from the core-north?

I used to be pro Nigeria, but now I am strongly pro secessionist. Many middlebelt people are gradually favoring the idea of secession and dissolution of Nigeria and people like us will heavily mobilize our people to this effect in the nearest future.

Why is it that you Yorubas are not interested in self determination?

Area4Area:
Have you asked how they all have a referendum in their constitution, Eritrea and Ethiopia didn't have anyway

There is secession in Ethiopian constitution. In Ethiopia, every ethnic group has its own region and a great degree of autonomy with secession included.
Eriterea was just a very different case. Their secession was based on colonial history and not even ethnicity and they were taking all of the access to sea Ethiopia had.

UdechiHD:
Bla bla bla, I know you'll resort to your defensive approach of calling me an impostor. Just post where Ojukwu called for Biafra and you're blabbing. OK, let me burst you, this is my 2nd monicker. My main monicker was banned. Although, it was released back but I just felt used to this one.

And for your information, from day one, I've always been skeptical about issues like Nnamdi Kanu, IPOB, PDP misuse of our trust and how they treated us, APC and why Ndigbo must get involved with the party etc. Pazienza knows me for this.

But on the other hand, I've always hold to heart my Igbonness. The real Igboland of NC/SS/SE, a united south, a friendly relationship with other ethnic groups, our culture, the economic development of Alaigbo, Igbo Presidency, and national cohesion is what I strive for.

You have to wake up from this nightmare of yours!
National cohesion with who? Hausa-fulani people? People who value their religion more than their ethnicity and nationality?

The average Hausa fulani will always prefer a Sudanese or Somali person who is a muslim over a Hausa christian let alone an Igbo or Yoruba.
National cohesion with Hausa fulani people is a dream that will never come true. The earlier you wake up from this dream, the better for you.

Vcblinks:
please leave those afonjas traitors if you want success in this plight.if not it will be a failure.

Yes it is very true. Yorubas are known for treachery and being unstable. This is why as a middlbelter, Igbos and the Niger deltan minorities are the best allies my people can get in pulling out of this Hausa fulani owned country called Nigeria.

Many of my own people do not want Nigeria to divide because they are afraid that our people will be trapped with the core-north. However, they have to learn that this is not true. Our land and territory is not synonymous or inseparable from the core-north. We can chart a completely different course.

gidgiddy:
All this long talk. In other to restructure Nigeria or even hold an SNC, the constitution must be changed. To change the constitution, you need two thirds of the national assembly to vote for it. Just the core North alone(NW&NE) control about 40% of the national assembly.

Even if the entire South and the North central voted for Nigeria to be restructured, they will never reach the two thirds majority needed.

Forget restructuring, the core North will never agree to it because it wont favour them

Thank you very much for this analysis.

The core-north (Hausa fulani Kanuri) and other northern muslims control about 40% of legislative seats (especially the house of representatives).
Everything was designed to favour them.

Let us look at the senate where we can get some hope, unlike the House of rep where Kano state alone has up to 14 seats and all other SE states have 6 each.

There are 109 Senate seats in Nigeria and two-thirds of this is 73 seats.

Now add all the seats in the South (51).
You need 22 more seats from the north to complete this.
The north central has only 19 seats + FCT. It is still not enough and a good percentage of North-central like Niger state and parts of Kogi/Nasarawa and even Kwara is politically with the core-north based on religion/emirates.

These places in the north-central who are loyal (controlled) by the core-north can be readily replaced by some areas from North-east and North-west who are minority groups dominated, like parts of Taraba, Adamawa, Southern Gombe and Southern Kaduna and we are back to the same place!

How easy will it be to bring all the Southerners and middlebelters/northern minorities under one tag in the first place?
It's an impossible job and very futile!

Cc UdechiHD.

So even this restructuring of a thing will never see the light of the day without the support of the core-north, hence it is a waste of time and effort.

UdechiHD:
The bolded is the right approach. Non violence. However, Ndigbo have not in general agreed to get secession from Nigeria. IPOB don't represent the wishes and aspirations of our people. They're just a group headed by some loquacious illiterates abroad and they are within their rights to aspire for whatever they deem fit. Ndigbo haven't formed a consensus group yet, our people and intelligentsia's are still observing from the sidelines. Hopefully, we will in the long run. We'll meet other ethnic group in the negotiation table when that time comes.

This is quite correct.
But Nnamdi Kanu has a very large support base.
He represent the aspirations of the common Igbo man.
He has gotten the largest support of Igbos under one umbrella since Ojukwu. This means a lot.

Anyway, it would be very very nice to see a more enlightened and reasonable Igbo man who will lead a secession group in Nigeria, someone who will be more diplomatic and reasonable in his dealings. However, this may never come or such a person will never be taken seriously. Sometimes, being unreasonable is what make some things work.