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felixomor:
You do not agree that God is imaginary
Then educate your fellow Ignoramus......

You both sound foolish.
Sorry

I suppose I should take your puerile striking out of my comments and this banal reply as a sign u have finally comprehended Dalaman's position. There might just be hope for u yet. I will make you a thinker someday.

felixomor:
Keep quiet Mugun
Read that conversation up
So you agree that God is imaginary because humans talk about him?
What tomfoolery

**Sigh** Here we go again. See, unlike u, I don't have to agree with someone to comprehend his argument. I do not agree that God is imaginary. But I get his position clearly. He doesn't believe in an omnipotent God that would rely on people with less than intelligent thinking like yourself to speak for Him; this I strongly agree with.

He spoke of 'limited" because he implied Zuckerberg needed to depend on other media to educate us on who the owner of Facebook is.
Because he had Earlier said, God is imaginary because humans talk about God

Another reason I always say your comprehension ability leaves much to be desired. He actually said that because Zuckerberg is limited, being human and all, the need for other media as a means of educating us about him can be excused. Basic comprehension is a problem for u. There is no way u are a doctor.

Likewise, So I also asked Is Zuckerberg imaginary because relatively lower media outlets talk about Zuckerberg, according to his logic.
because He feels God is imaginary because he feels humans who are lower talk about God.

No doesn't feel so. He argues that ur god, the one u believe in, has to be imaginary because considering he has all the unlimited power u ascribe to him, how come he relies on u of all people, one of the most stupid people I know, to speak for him when he could use that power to convince everyone himself. He even gave an example of how Zuckerberg can clarify misconceptions about himself when the need arises.

Its too Early for you to start acting dense.
Read and comprehend
Sorry.
Good Morning

After explaining how to read and comprehend to u, tell me how u came by ur own understanding of Dalaman's argument. Jeez no one can be this stupid. No one.

felixomor:
Sorry, Zuckerberg is not "limited"
Compared to others, he has 2 billion plus users....
Thats almost a third of the planet

Get your facts right.

My God. What sort of fuckery is this? Felixomor and his congenital incomprehension disorder. The limitations dalaman speaks to is his lack of omnipotence as opposed to an unlimited deity for fuckssakes. Everyone that reads that will understand what he means except u. Even though he repeated it thrice now.

Dalaman u dey try o. I give u props for even maintaining this conversation.

Zither:
Until you post the more intriguing sources this link is balderdash as it is just lectures on the subject.

What sort of senseless argument is this? Lectures on the subject is less valid than the anecdotal evidence u have of people seeing God? U are giving me an example of what u claim people saw. And I just gaveu other examples of what other people claim people saw but somehow u think your example is more valid?

I am not even going to waste my time fishing for those sources anymore. Keep wallowing in ur illogical sense of superiority. Cheers.

Zither:
Knowing that a great many of them were unbelievers and non-Christians when they had NDEs and OBEs. Not everyone who has an OBE or NDE sees heaven or hell or God or angels or demons. Ernest Hemmingway is one of such examples.

That said, please give me one or two names of faithless people who died for many hours with proof like the ones I mentioned above and came back to life to testify to the reality of a being or nothing other than God. I await your response.

**Sigh** Not all of them sees God. Some see light. Some see their family members. Some see their own gods. I am sure if we go back some centuries, some will have seen Zeus or Odin.

http://www.horizonresearch.org/near-death/intro-to-the-nde-phenomena/religion-culture-and-near-death-experiences/

The problem is paucity of information from non-western sources. I will find some very intriguing ones and post it later

chemystery:
You are busy confusing yourself until you gave me the answer I needed. Thanks. I'm glad you agreed with the bolded
Disobedience (sinful nature) of man made man eat the fruit. Meaning the concept of original sin is flawed. It wasn't actually the fruit that brought about a sinful world. Adam eating the fruit or not, that sinful nature is already in him.

Lol, because I said Christians said god created man perfect, now you want to deny that just to win an argument. Even asking me to give a bible quotation on that.
Look above at all the extra biblical explanation you gave without any quotation. You even spoke to the extent I wondered if god now has a nairaland account. I even wanted to ask if you are the Yahweh

I will not be surprise if tomorrow you deny all the pointless extra biblical explanation you gave up there just like you have denied that you guys said god created man perfect

I swear. I thought I was the only one who noticed the guy's love for bold assertive statements as if he was with God Himself when everything was going down. Two many delusional clowns in Christianity. No wonder there are so many denominations that do not agree with one another because all of them boldly believe they know God 100%.

MuttleyLaff:
Perfect in relation to man only started to be used for him in the NT
Though the first man was made as good as he possibly can be, God never said, man, individually was good
What we, however read is:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

U should have directed this to the guy who that I quoted. He was the one who claimed humans were perfect then they failed

Sorry, apparently you haven't the foggiest idea
#1 What God is
#2 If or not this God can exist simultaneously and concurrently in more than one place at the same time
#3 Why God had to come down to earth in the person of human being
#3 What God needed the person and body of a human being for
#4 Why Jesus had to patiently wait, 30 years, before He is qualified to start the work of God

And u do? Lol. Delusions. I am sure u even know what God was doing before he decided to create the earth. Secondly I don't see what this shyte u wrote has to do with my comment which u quoted.

Zither:
Very relevant to the issue of God's existence. First, his resurrection has nothing to do with science which is the final authority of the atheists. It was not an act of medical resuscitation. This already punches a big hole in the atheists argument that there is no life beyond the grave and that humans do not have a soul that lives forever. Secondly, corpses don't have the intelligence to exercise faith but his testimony holds that God brought Him back to life. If he had no faith in which its absence should erode the existence of God how did he come back to life? Finally, Zeus or Amadioha or the ToothFairy or Allah would be real beings only if there were thousands upon thousands of cases defying scientific explanation as obtains in Christianity where they were witnessed by those who died and came back to life. Why aren't they making themselves known? Simple, they are myths but Jesus is not; He is very much real and present.

While pondering this, if you care to explain I would appreciate it to know the scientific reason why Dean Braxton died for two hours and came back to life and testified to God's existence. The doctor who was treating him when he died also confirmed this report. Why did he see Jesus, and not Allah or the ToothFairy or Amadioha?

Like Daniel Ekechukwu, Dean Braxton's story is a proof of the existence of Jesus Christ and God the Father. Give me testimonies of people who died and saw Amadioha, Allah, Zeus, Ra, etc… then you will have an argument.

I haven't seen flawed arguments like this in a long time. Hope u realise that different people from different faiths have died and come back to life with most of them testifying to whatever seems to back up their faith? Even faithless people have died and come back to life. If u are claiming faith in Yahweh is required to be brought back to life then who brought all the non Christians back? Cthulhu?

Ken4Christ:
Op, you are wrong. Man was created perfect. But he had the opportunity to prove his loyalty to God but failed the test.

However, Jesus, the last Adam came to prove it is possible to overcome temptation. He was tempted the same way the first Adam was but never fell.

Jesus came to restore back what man lost in the Garden of Eden. And one day, a new earth will be created that life will go on as originally planned by God even in greater glory.

Perfect and failed? Aren't those two opposing words in that context. What is perfect never fails and what fails isn't perfect. Sorry.

Also the attempt to bring Jesus into this would have made more sense if Jesus was assumed to be an ordinary man from inception to crucifixion without knowledge of his innate God-likeness just like any modern human. But, nah, Jesus knew he came from heaven he knows the glory to be gotten in heaven is far greater that what the earth could offer so he was able to resist for just a mere 33 years. So it doesn't prove anything. Sorry.

Oloruntobi4382:
I see. am a good actor, do you know any church recruiting stage actors? i wan apply.

Lol. Not just acting. Sometimes even the disabled genuinely want to believe they have been healed so they play along in "faith". Like a guy that's a cripple for instance. He may not be entirely immobile. He may be able to walk a little. So during the prayer he gets up and forces himself with adrenaline to walk up and down hoping that God will continue from there. But as soon as the euphoria wears off, he is back on the wheelchair again.
Nobody vets these miracle pastors so they get away with a lot of lies and fake miracles

That's because Nigerian Pentecostal miracles rely on the law of large numbers. Let me clarify.

You see it will be hard to stage a miracle in a small church because everyone knows everyone else. So if u bring a partially deaf man to the front of a small church and pretend to heal him and ask him to repeat the words u scream into his ears and the parade him as healed, the next Sunday people would have discovered the truth: the nigger is still as deaf as before.

But if u bring the same guy to a larger gathering, and apply the same subterfuge, by the next Sunday only his local parish will know. The majority of the church will still think he was healed and u can collect more tithes and offering from the next potential victims.
Another advantage is that u can easily mix actors and fake disables or invalids into the crowd in a large church and stage a miracle. But no one in the church will suspect this because everyone will think the fakers are from another parish.

This is why u hardly see a local invalid or cripple that u have known all ur life go to a crusade and get healed but countless unknown people claim to have healing at the same crusade

Pray tell, how did the voodoo catch the thief? That is the most important part of the story but u left it out.

MuttleyLaff:
Be strong and courageous.
Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you;
he will never leave you nor forsake you."
- Deuteronomy 31:6

"The LORD is the one who goes ahead of you;
He will be with you. He will not fail you or forsake you.
Do not fear or be dismayed."
- Deuteronomy 31:8

No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life.
Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you.
I will not leave you or forsake you
- Joshua 1:5

Then David said to his son Solomon,
"Be strong and courageous, and act; do not fear nor be dismayed, for the LORD God, my God, is with you.
He will not fail you nor forsake you until all the work for the service of the house of the LORD is finished
- 1 Chronicles 28:20

chemystery, funny how obvious it is that you didnt painstakingly go over every line of the content I posted because if you did, you would have noticed and registered where I put forward as fact that Jesus is fully aware of Deuteronomy 31:6, Deuteronomy 31:8, Joshua 1:5 and 1 Chronicles 28:20 reproduced above, to not have used that strong "forsaken" word in the manner or way, that the translators want to lead all, to believe, is what and how He uttered the words

Since "Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani" is in Aramaic,
if Jesus meant "forsaken", He would have uttered "Eli, Eli, lama, Nashatani"
where ''Nashatani" is the Aramaic for forsaken
and if He did use ''Nashatani", then "Eli, Eli, lama, Nashatani" would mean "My God, My God, why hath Thou forsaken Me"

but no, Jesus, didnt use 'Nashatani", He used ''Sabachthani" hence the famous dying words:
Eli, Eli, lama, Sabachthani"

Neither God or His presence, at any time left Jesus

It is worth noting, that, Jesus deliberating DID NOT quote Psalms 22:1 verbatim, blindly or directly
but consciously changed or switched language and used the Aramaic "sabachthani",
so as to make the distinction from the Aramaic "nashatani"

"nashatani" and "sabachthani" are both Aramaic
"Nashatani" is the Aramaic word for the Hebrew word "azabtani", where in Psalms 22:1 it is correctly translated as the English word "forsaken"
If Jesus had wanted to say He was forsaken by God, then Jesus would have used "nashatani" and not "sabachthani"

This is a simple and very good question

Jesus called His Father, My God, instead of My father, simply, because He was paraphrasing the beginning of Psalm 22 (i.e. Psalm 22:1)
just like He paraphrased the end of Psalm 22 (i.e Psalm 22:31) too.

Now, chemystery, I am going to give you a venturesome proposal,
without holding back, define God for me, with the full force of all your understanding.

What a load of horseshit. U don't even know Aramaic. I repeat, those who wrote the bible at the time of Jesus told us he said what he said. No amount of linguistic dishonesty u use can change that

@Muttleylaff just wrote the most dishonest shit I have read in recent times. This is a Christian version of Al taqiyyah.

Pray tell, where did u get ur own translation from?
The people who wrote the bible believed he said "My God why have you forsaken me?" And they lived sometime close to Jesus so they could possibly give a more accurate interpretation than u. They were also supposed disciples of Jesus so they had no reason to want to lie.
But a dishonest Christian like u just gave us 3 different interpretation to suit ur own narrative. lol

Whether or not Jesus was willing to die for the world cannot be ascertained by the passage only though. It's possible that he wanted to die but he wasn't ready for such excruciating pain. And being in human form, the pain was more than he could take so he cried out like all men would in the time of despair. That passage probably speaks about the humanity of Jesus at that moment than anything else.

OP this is a false analogy that tries to employ cunning that deceptively equates a posteriori knowledge with a priori knowledge.

A much better analogy will be this way. There are 1000 children in a womb. One doesn't believe in life after birth. But 999 others claim to know exactly what life after birth will be.
Some claim the mouth will be used for flying after birth.
Some claim they will be able to go out of the womb and still reenter numerous times as they wish.
Some there will no sorrow and pain after birth. They will only be singing and rejoicing everyday.
Some even claim that the birth will occur in less than 3 weeks because one of the eggs that didn't become a baby went to the sky and told them he is coming soon.
Then there are those who don't give rat's arse what is in the next life. It doesn't mean they won't be given birth to either.

And even this analogy I have just given doesn't capture the real situation enough. Things are more complicated than this.
When will u guys realise that God doesn't care who believes in Him or not. He is not a megalomaniac like your pastors and religious leaders are. If he wanted blind worship he would have created mindless zombies.
The true expression of God's love is Him leaving us to do our thing and given us laws that we can discover through science to improve ourselves and our world.

Raintaker:
Lol I'm a theist but Felix na proper M0ron.

Felixomor. See another theist testifying. Hahahaha

And what if they finally demolish all those places but the flooding continues?

frank317:
lol... I think the guy is proud of being a fool

Dude. I was eating my noodles in peace until I read this. Now I have made a mess of the whole table and I still can't stop laughing
This is brutal.

KingEbukasBlog:
I already know you are not 4EVERGOD , you sent analice a pm , didnt you ?

I just wanted to observe how this vacuous subterfuge will make any sense .

This is what separates u from Felixomor. Ability to careful consider and think things through before acting. If Christianity actually works Felix will be smarter than this. Nobody can rightly claim access to the power of the Holy Spirit and still act totally without wisdom or functioning brain like Felix does. He embarrasses Christians everywhere. I don't expect u to admit it though

felixomor:
You are an atheist
Go and Sleep

And this is ur idea of ad hominem? Lol

Atheists know u aren't bright.
Deists know u aren't bright.
Muslims know u aren't bright.
And now fellow Christians are beginning to confess u aren't bright. The bible says out of the mouth of 2 or 3 shall the truth be established.

Dude u just can't catch a break, can u?
Your major problem is that u aren't smart and, sadly, u aren't smart enough to know u aren't smart. So u blatantly butt into every thread thinking u are somehow making logical arguments

bulakos25:
Please gurus in the house i want to know the difference between computer science and computer science education. Can a graduate of computer science education be employ thesame way a graduate of a computer science single honour is going to be employed.

Even graduates of Yoruba studies can be employed in the same way computer science graduates are employed these days. Just focus on acquiring practical skills and having a portfolio that shows off ur abilities. In the end all will be well

And police should start doing a more thorough investigation before people start committing all sorts of crime and claiming it's Badoo gang.
Anybody can kill anybody now and make it look like Badoo gang did it.