₦airaland Forum

Originalsly:
@OAM4J......you people are not getting us. Which comes first?...treatment or diagnosis? How can you treat .... chemotheraphy and whatever treatment plan ....if he is not diagnosed? If he is diagnosed we need to know...until then you guys are putting the cart before the horse. Thank you very much.

aisha2:
Now I have to talk.
Chemotherapy is outdated, toxic and kills patients faster than cancer, cheap hospitals use it to bleed patients dry.
There are better more effective cancer treatment especially at his stage because even without tests I can safely guess stage 2 or early 3, I am not a doctor but I have plenty personal cancer experience.
Let us gather what is left and send this guy to India. I know for a fact that with good treatment and management even stage 3 cancer can be painlessly treated. Before the prayer warriors and refectors gather and crucify me I know what am saying.

And besides why have they been hiding the news from the patient? What kind of crude medicine do we practice? Is the patient not supposed to be the first to know? Is it not his body! Should he not know and condition his heart and mind for what is to come?

I beg in the name of God dont let chemo poison this man

Themaingate:
mecure is at oshodi bus-stop . once you are coming from mile 2 to oshodi , its at the right hand side of the road with a big signpost before you get to oshodi oke but test are very expensive there 35000 , 45k ,55k , 70k etc
Me Cure House, Debo Industrial Compound, Apapa – Oshodi Expressway (near NAFDAC), Lagos – Nigeria
Phone Number: 07089991192, 08110095954, 08145449951

delpee:
@OAM4J
Mecure address is as stated by earlier respondents. Its within CWAY compound. Sorry for the late response.
Lekki ph1 branch is close to the bustop by 1st gate, off Admiralty way. Its walking distance from the gate but I can't remember the street name.
Not all tests are expensive considering their expertise. It depends on what is required. Basic comprehensive test (all vitals plus mammo/prostrate etc) is about 60k. The one that includes cancer screening is higher but after looking at the bills incurred so far with little progress I think we should try this and refer to the teaching hospitals for advice.
Well done guys! Blessings shall flow your way ceaselessly.

delpee:
Please try MECURE for proper diagnosis. It's an Indian diagnostic centre. Some OAU, UCH doctors send patients there for tests in complex cases. They are at Oshodi with branches at Lekki phase 1and Ibadan. They have modern equipment. You can run some comprehensive tests without direct doctors referral especially in this case where a second opinion is badly needed.


Meanwhile compliments of the season to you DJdola! May you be delivered from all these problems, may you arise and shine again by God's grace.

Gboliwe:
Shout Out to Standd for shouting out to me
She has been my number one secret admirer but that's after Teeo. Where's that bobo sef? He was my closet admirer

I have been an introvert all my life and I've carried that lifestyle into my online life. This has been a hindrance for me to really come out in all my glory and associate with people hereon. It didn't stop me from recognizing awesomeness when we cross paths though and as such, I'll have to shout out to them just so they can maintain their wonderful natures. To the very 5 people I follow, you are the best there is: OAM4J, Odumchi, Busybody2, r231 and Naijasinglegirl, you guys rock big time. There is a reason, a genuine reason why I follow you and you all never disappointed. I may not have related with you outside NL but it doesn't stop the fact that I salute your awesomeness always.

There are still wonderful NLnders who in no small way make me smile when I read their posts, yet some more make me lose focus momentarily and wish I could just slap them through my screen. Lol. Some more are so humane I also pray to have their kind of nature, you know, the kind of grace upon them, I salute you all.

To those, the very few I know off NL, you guys rock!

And to the very dumb French students, better relocate to Katsina and get proper education.

Once again, thank you Standd for bringing me here. Have a merry celebration.

babyosisi:
My opinion or the interpretation of the results you provided by two cancer specialists who specifically told you that growth should be biopsied?
If you folks are done with the case please declare it closed after all patient has been discharged.
Or you can keep shopping for the diagnosis of your choice

You can carry out every test in the world but until someone uses a surgical blade and cuts out that mass they found and a pathologist looks at it under the microscope ,no one will ever give you a definitive diagnosis. a fluid cytology already tells you there is something fishy going on.
So Shop for who will go in and do what I described
Your test results already tell you such a mass exists
What are you waiting for?
For someone to tell you it doesn't exist?
Then repeat the CT scan at another facility and have another radiologist read the result

Busybody2:
All we have done here is say the hospital should hasten up the diagnosis process and rule out cancer, which was one of the 4 diagnosis they gave, nothing else...We are aware of ethical reasons not to disclose diagnosis. I have shared same thing you have said up there about withholding info in a post I made 5 weeks ago. Our collective goal and wish is for a false positive result. Thanks.

babyosisi:
Look at that!
Then why ask my opinion if you won't do anything with it
Why did you have me waste my time?
Why ask mine or anyone's opinion in the first place
The test results were given to you by a doctor no be so
Why don't you ask the doctors treating your patient what the results he handed to you mean,are they spirits?
Why will a doctor send a patient for a test,you pick up the test them you come online to look for anonymous doctors and strangers to interpret them.
Don't annoy me now

babyosisi:
Everything any body ever wanted to know is included in my posts above
What I left out is the prognosis From the the analysis of the results.

The fluid has been analyzed by cytology and it is positive for malignant cells ( which by the way is not always positive even in malignancy but in this case is)
It doesn't get any clearer than that what we are dealing with and I am coming to this conclusion from their own lab results.

aisha2:
Kai, Babyosisi I must commend you, you are very patient, even when there was temporary relief and people got excited throwing snide comments at you, you didnt fight back.
When the reality of what you have been saying is setting in now they are still making comments and making you out as satan because you are being realistic and seeing the real situation instead of what we would want it to be.

Now, as the test results are being awaited for a definate diagnosis we need to go back to square one that is raising funds to get him to travel if need be but we are not over 500k short and so we need to start raising funds again.

Lets try to listen and not get excited rejecting and rebuking, God works through doctors. Its because Babyosisi is a nairalander hence the "see finish" do you know how much we would have paid for this free consultancy she is giving? Even involving other doctors.

babyosisi:
Thanks again
What did they say about the " elephant in the room" as busybody2 puts it?
Anything?

babyosisi:
Thanks for this response here
But please so I get something clear,how did this decision come about.
Who initiated it and what was the conversation?
Did they make him a follow up appointment( check up)
When and what for?
Is there a discharge plan and what is it?

Themaingate:
You are feeling better and okay does not mean you are now okay because so far so good the hospital is yet to get to the root of your sickness , I know u are tired but you should have exercise patience , going to the hospital from home shouldnt have being an option and I see no reason why tehn team allowed you. People are ready and are already footing the bills and by God grace will not stop till you get better

Have you for once considered the stress of coming from home regularly? Have you also considered the hold-up in lagos? Have you considered the stress of going round for further test? Have you considered the fact that once u are home people will surely come and visit and so deprive you of good sleep?

I have an elder brother that had almost thesame problem with u and despite the fact that the hospital (federal medical center) is just a stone throw to my house we still decided to leave him in the hospital , we spent lots of money , lots of test upon test was conducted and at the end he was fine and discharged , one of the result showed he had tb , drug was giving to him and the doctor ask him to use the drug for 6month , he did and by His grace he his totally okay now

We cannot know more than this doctors

Get well soon

Jbluv55:
To my brothers Jarus, Oam4j, R231, jaybee3 and Mynd44 please there's no point in putting up defensive stances. We are all in this together so instead of standing on opposite sides, please let's stand on the same sides and face whatever is coming. Thanks and one love.

babyosisi:
Please ,where did this come from OA4MJ posted it earlier
Which hospital wrote this because this is adding another mix to the equation
They had told us the liver and kidneys were normal so where did this one come from?
OA4MJ,r231 or Jarus ,someone should please answer me

babyosisi:
Nna cooluo down
Your efforts are appreciated greatly.
Please do me one favor
Ask them when they intend to carry out the laparoscopy and biopsy of that mass in or near his colon or if they intend to
That is the way forward

Busybody2:
**DJ was admitted November 15th...According to the most recent update, the hospital said four potential diagnosis :- Cancer, Liver disease, Advanced Retroviral disease, Abdominal TB


**He ruled two (liver and retroviral) out in a matter of days. On Nov 27th, blood test reveals cancerous cells...today is Dec 17th/week 5 and update is still stating they are treating Tuberculosis after which they will now request further tests to detect primary source of cancerous cells, etc...


**Luth that he came from was already investigating Cancer in week 2.


**See DJ's last report stating what the Eruwa Doctor told Caracta below...


**And these people are still making it about them, their money, their sleepless nights, their numerous phone calls, blah, blah, blah...

I don't understand why this people are making it about them, the team, etc?? Was it not on this same thread that Olu4life who was Team leader for group A insulted and disrespected and publicly overlooked?? I wonder if they read what they post??

Busybody2:
I responded to Jarus earlier somewhere. There is 4 possible causes a b,c,d.


Tests were carried out,b and c were ruled out, meaning he is healthy in this department, YET hospital sends patient to do further tests for b again. Why


These further tests tended to a, YET hospital starts treating for e which was never in the equation before. Why


Now further subsequent tests tends again to a, YET hospital starts treatment for d. Again why


Why is the hospital playing people round? Don't they have a conscience?

r231:
UPDATE!!!
As promised, we visited the hospital on Monday (15/12/2014) to express our growing concerns with respect to the perceived slow pace as far as getting a definitive diagnosis is concerned.
We were able to extract the following Information (Please see summary below) from his doctors:
‎Hammed was first brought in from Eruwa about a month ago, he presented with progressive weight loss, abdominal swelling and lower back pain.
Based on the combination of the swelling and lower back pain, there were four options which were considered
1. malignancy
2. Advanced retroviral disease
3. Liver Disease
4. Abdominal Tuberculosis
The first thing was to do a retroviral test which showed no viral disease.
The next step was a test of kidney and liver functions respectively which showed they were about average more or less and thus that was eliminated
In addition, other tests (both routine and sophisticated) have been held and so far were only indicative.
The next step was to refer Hamed to a gastroenterologist for the liver biopsy where it was decided he be drained first.
After draining and before the biopsy (which was not held), a surface lump was sighted via physical examination and scans.
The thought of the specialist was then to do a laparoscopy (a minimally invasive procedure) to remove the superficial lump.
However he was brought back to Life Specialist.
Based on the drained fluid, a cytology of the fluid was held.
In the meantime, a regimen to embattle abdominal tuberculosis was embarked upon Tuesday which has accounted for the improvement in his physical condition
The thinking here is that while the results of tests are awaited, this is a no risk step which will pay dividends if the diagnosis is abdominal TB and at least provide some healing if not.
The result of the cytology  showed a presence of cancerous cells but no idea of the primary source just yet
NEXT STEPS
A. the results of the CT scan on the abdominal area is awaited. he hopes to follow up with the lab and get this tomorrow
If this does not provide the primary source, there is need for additional scans so as to identify the source and then the stage
B. Once the primary source, the relevant course of treatment can be embarked upon
 
Immediate Challenges:
Hammed is now feeling stronger than ever and in turn wants to return home as he is growing bored of sitting about the hospital doing nothing. We do sympathise with him as well as happy that his condition has at least gotten better if compared to the way it was weeks back.
 
As much as we feel the best way to approach this is by him getting a definitive diagnosis and in turn proceed on an agreed treatment plan, we understand his growing frustrations and thus might have to reluctantly allow him to turn into a day patient. He has assured us that he will present himself as of when needed and we will continue to work with him to provide a lasting solution.
 
PS: We are impressed with the visual state of Hammed as he now looks much better. His face looks fresher and he is generally more optimistic for the future
TeHN

Busybody2:
OAM4J,

This Hospital is ripping people off. Read the last update r231 uploaded again nau haba...

Busybody2:
1) Get over yourself, this is not about you. Tehn presented a bill showing an amount was charged for liver biopsy when the same TEHN provided 2 updates earlier stating a biopsy was not required. All this genuine query needs "professionally" is a simple clarification from Tehn's Accountant stating the true state of things not this back and forth parambulating from you, so carry your self-aggrandisement outta my face.


2) Again 3 out of the 4 underlying aetiology of the malignant ascites has been tested for and eliminated as far back as 3 weeks ago by this same hospital...four minus three =?? Is it benign?? What grade/stage is it??...So my input here about the mounting escalating cost, without a diagnosis that is as plain as the nose on your face, is justified...So Mr Jarus, is it a crime for me to ask, since the Hospital "knowingly" refuses to talk about this that they have known all these weeks

brownlord2:
A retired general

Former head of state

Ptf chairman, do not have any single business, not even a pure water factory as you people want us to believe. How can such a man manage our economy?

No one is asking him to own a university or big businesses like other corrupt politicians, but investing or having any traceable business after holding those key positions tells about his thinking ability

Either the man is clueless for never investing after retirement or he's hiding something period. You can't tell me he contested three (3) elections with donations from friends and family members

Firefire:
APC Manifestoes


1. National Security
2. Good Governance
3. Human Capital Development (Jobs, Jobs & Jobs)
4. Economic Development
5. Foreign Policy


Is that ALL

barcanista:
Please I need the link for live streaming. Thanks

jaybee3:
Chei see fine gyal in red looking so innocent

idumuose:
My comment on Buhari and Atiku will be put on hold until this wednesday when APC will hold presidential primaries.Whenever APC through their lying Mohammed tell us that it did not zone the presidency to the north,i can't help but laugh.

Why is there no yoruba man contesting for APC presidential primaries? A look at the contestants and their geographical leanings will reveal very clearly that it has been zoned to the north.

Kwankwaso - Kano (North)

Nda Isaiah - Kaduna (north)

Atiku - Adamawa (North)

Buhari - Katsina (North)

Okorocha is the only candidate from the south.

This born to rule mentality which APC is promoting must be stopped

Iroh88:
Buhari's mantra is that he'd fight corruption to a standstill and most Nigerians have faith in him to keep that promise. Fix the scourge of corruption and you effectively fix 80%, or more, of our problems. What is was/is Jonathan's mantra?? "I had no shoes"!! How in God's gracious name is that our problem Has shoelesness or "shoefulness" ever been a factor in determining how a country is governed

Buhari towers over and above anything our present crop of politicians have to offer. At this point in our national life, we can ill afford any further deterioration in our economic indices especially as regards government's probity and fight against corruption.

Buhari is simply the man for the Job!

Matthewbriggs:
We need the former general to be on more interviews, if possible debates. That would be cool, Nigerians need to know that His supporters are way smarter than who they are supporting.

Afraid of been caught... I am more afraid of the fact that, that he is not a master strategist with a deep understand of Nigerians economy, he does not have a clear cut strategy on ground ... just his fight against corruption mantra.

I like his stance on corruption, I am confident he would do his best to fight corruption if elected president, But the fact is he would be not be effective in fighting corruption reason been that he sounds to me like someone who detest democracy and thus may find it difficult adjusting, coupled with the fact that he does not strike me as a very good strategist ... He thinks linearly ... in one direction.

Watch Fashola speak and you'll understand where I am coming from. Fashola is a technocrat.

I will find it easy to support a Buhari/Fashola ticket. Because I know Fashola would be the brains, while he would be the muscle and moral compass. anything less is a disaster.

APC should ensure Buhari wins the primaries and pair him with Fashola ... because the rest of the other candidates are nothing to write home about.

“Some nights ago, I was watching television and some people were telling us that we have never had it so good. I am in my 80s and I can tell you that Nigeria has had it much better than now." - Christopher Kolade

Firefire:
"When I met with all of you some time ago, you spoke of the need to have a fair democratic process in selecting the flag bearer, today, you have that process". - BAT


We shall access that statement/the process here after

Desola:
OAM4J,

When did I become a god that you invoke?

So ara e o, bobo yi.

egift:
There are so many, but the question is will they also bring in more votes. Election is a game of numbers. With PDP rigging, use of force, fat wallet and more, APC will need all the votes possible to even secure a slim victory.

So there is only one attempt at getting it right. Apart from APC party campaign efforts, one team that can attract most votes in today's Nigeria, is a Buhari/Fashola Ticket.

All it is a fact that anyone who tell you he will not vote APC because they presented a Muslim/Muslim ticket, has already made up their mind not to vote APC, irrespective of the eventual candidate.

Jonathan already has the sympathy, sentiments, greed and selfish voters. To win,
APC need to target those who will vote for patriotism, competence, vision, independence, diligence, growth, development, etc.