₦airaland Forum

TheArchangel:
You've started interjecting and insinuating. Very divisive second paragraph you have there. Diabolic self centeredness ...haha what will you call the floating billions that they were trying to merge to Lagos-Kano rail to the detriment of Lagos -Calabar rail.
I rapu isi ji I na ama mbazu na ala.

That is exactly my point, I am shell shocked at the reactions of 'some' people who claim to be from the SE and SS and who claim to be defending the interests of the zones since this saga broke. I am very much opposed to the fact that the coastal rail project is being jeopardised and the funds diverted to the Lagos-Kano rail. I expected people of the SE and SS to naturally fight for this injustice to be immediately reversed, and the budget for the coastal rail returned. But that obviously is not the case, most have turned it into a Yoruba vs Igbo tribal war and I am greatly shocked at the reactions I have seen so far which drives me to wonder how any normal human would chose to cut their head off to spite their nose.

If the project funds were diverted to fund seaports or other viable projects in the regions, then it is understandable, but for crying out loud, the funds were diverted to the Lagos-Kano line and some silly constituency projects in the north. My dear, the proverb you dropped is more suited for you and your colleagues who aren't speaking in favour of the reversal of this mess.

Realman87:
My dear, am from the Niger Delta. Our priority now is a deep seaport so that we can emancipate our people from poverty. A seaport will create thousands of jobs and will spur the growth of businesses. Not that I oppose the rail line, but it is NOT an urgent need. How many jobs will it create? And please stop making it look like the igbos oppose the project that will benefit the SS, because in reality; the project only benefits the SW.

It is this bit of the reasoning that completely dumbfounds me. Kindly tell me how a rail line going from Calabar-Uyo-IkotEkpene-Aba-PH-Yenagua-Ughelli-Warri-Sapele-Benin-Lagos will benefit the SW more than the people of the SS and SE?... This reasoning is equivalent to saying the East-West road or the Onitsha-Benin-Lagos road benefits or is used more by SW people than the SS and SE. Is there really any written rule somewhere that says Nigerians must try to tribalise everything because we mostly end up making a mockery of ourselves in the process?

Nobody argues that a seaport isn't useful, but just like the seaport, the importance of a modernised rail transport system can never be downplayed; there is a reason why a robust modern rail system is a typical feature in developed economies.

OfoIgbo:
Anambra has two of the most promising manufacturing bases in the country, yet a rail project that is meant to enhance the economic wellbeing of the country has been wickedly made not to traverse Onitsha and Nnewi and you hope Igbos will support a project that won't benefit them at all.

Igbo politicians should instead be backing the establishment of seaports in the SS and Obuaku.

This Calabar-Lagos rail project effectively castrates both the SS and SE, as exportation of goods will only be through Lagos, thus shackling the two southern regions to the whims of Oba Akiolu et al.

This rail project also forces eastern businessmen from establishing businesses in Igboland, thus destroying the industrialisation plans meant for the SE.

It must be opposed. The SS will derive more benefit from seaports in terms of finances accruable to host state governments from shipping activities than from mere tracks meant to tie the eastern economic fortunes to the west.

Okay, this coastal rail project benefits the SS more than the SE so the entire opposition of ipob youths for this project is beginning to make sense. You don't give a damn if it benefits the SS, and you don't give a damn if part of the future plans is to have a spur from benin to onitsha, the project must not continue as long as it benefits the SS (which feeds the nation) more than the SE, bravo!!!. But I wonder how your online opposition will stop the SS from benefitting from this if it comes to pass.

TheArchangel:
You called me a knucklehead when it is obvious you are the knuckle head. Your political master is saying something else and you are defending something else. Are you appealing to him or what. Smh.
I do not want to be scam in believing that the coastal rail line will cross Onitsha as it is being bandied about.
The map you posted is believable but the one Obalaila is yapping about is total hogwash and he knew it, I knew it and you knew it.

TheArchangel:
Your guy Obalaila is saying it has spurs at Onitsha ... . None of you has concrete evidence on the things you are defending. So pathetic.

asha80:
just wasted my time on a knuckle head if you cant see ccecc the construction company in charge of building that project is the one that produced the map(check the down right hand corner of the pic for verification)

Obailala I actually think that my map is the actual map..i am not sure what amaechi was defending there when he mentioned Onitsha unless he was talking general railway master plan as it is supposed to be like the benin-agbor-asaba-Onitsha -enugu-abakiliki or the detour onitsha-nnewi-owerri-aba corridors...these routes have not been awarded or discussed

My bad, I didn't see the map posted earlier, I was only quoting the statement by the minister for transport at 05:20min in the video below where he stated there would be a spur from Benin-Onitsha. But come to think of it, why should I even believe a map (which is probably old) over a most recent statement by the minister?... Even if the rail crosses only Aba, @TheArchangel, are you suggesting that the SS (which feeds the entire nation) doesn't deserve a modern rail system traversing its domain because no modern rail has passed through several SE cities?... You need to grow up and stop being self-centred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KE2XYj9Id4

TheArchangel:
You are devoid of sound reasoning. Every argument has to be turned into party affiliations. Why don't we have a rail line that will encompass and transverse the SE included in that damn budget? That spurs you keep yapping about that will connect Onitsha , why did it double back instead of meeting the coastal line at Aba through Nnewi and Owerri? We are talking about change here, interjecting Jonathan on every discussions shows how low and unreasonable you are. This is something that should've been thought through by a reasonable government who entered through a change mantra if equality and fairness should be maintained.
Stop defending the indefensible. It is very corrosive to the ears.
What are you on about? Why are you so rabid and always hyperventilating when Igbo's and SE are mentioned?
You haven't seen anything, the wailing have just started and you will continue to defend. Better on the offensive than defensive.

Well, sorry, you can't have it all. Everybody would like a rail line to pass their door-mouth and in fact, have a station right outside their gates. But that is impossible, the rail connectivity project must start from somewhere and the phase we are in right now is the Lagos-Kano and Lagos-Calabar lines. Obasanjo did the Ajaokuta-Warri standard gauge line, GEJ did the Abuja-Kaduna standard gauge line, Buhari hopes to start the Lagos-Calabar and Lagos-Kano standard gauge line. I see nothing wrong with the plan and I know one day, it will get to every major city of Nigeria. The last time I checked, Buhari is the president of Nigeria and not you so you have no right to tell him what to do or how he will do it (Besides, this is just fulfilling a rail modernisation master-plan which has been in existence since OBJ's first tenure so it is not even Buhari's plan).

Now to get your exact point, are you suggesting that the present Lagos-Calabar line plan be scrapped because it passes more SS cities than SE cities?.... Are you by any chance suggesting that the SS people are irrelevant and don't deserve a robust high speed rail system in their domain or are you suggesting that the SS doesn't deserve a modern rail system until after a rail has been passed through every major city in the SE?.... Is this just a case of diabolic self-centredness or is this just a case of you wailing and protesting because you feel you have a duty to oppose any and everything Buhari proposes?

TheArchangel:
He asked for a map, show him a map which in case your Amaechi/Buhari/APC starts their denials and lyings their will be a concrete evidence to shut them up. Even with video evidence, they often defends themselves that their words are misconstrued.
I repeat sincerely that if it is only the southernmost tip of Aba that is involved in this railway fiasco then it is totally unacceptable and should be wailed over.
Give us the map.

What do you mean by 'only the southernmost tip of aba'?.... was the rail suppose to turn around aba township like an intracity metro before you agree it has gone through Aba?.... What sort of odious reasoning is this?.... Since GEJ lost this election, what sort of affliction have befallen Igbo youths?.... okay just like the poster above asked, did you wail over this project when GEJ was in power?... cos the plans for this project have been around for over 10 years.

TheArchangel:
Your monicker may be Igbo but enough of the insult.

A major railway line that passes along the border of one SE state while all the other regions and states are ably represented is what you are expecting a right thinking Igbo man or woman to applaud, where is your pride? This is coming at a time when second Niger bridge construction was suspended, when no proposed FG project is visible in the SE .
What happens if you suggest that the railroad should bifurcate at Benin as SEastern and Ssouthern railroad to join at Aba and continues to Calabar?.
The right thinking Igbo's will continue to cry against marginalisation until the right thing is done, we are not going to settle for less, we are equally Nigerians and should be treated as one.

What is even wrong with some of you wailers?... Is it any and everything you oppose?.... It is called the coastal rail and yes, it goes through all the coastal states, but with a stop at Aba and a spur from Benin to Onitsha; what else do you want before you understand that it is a good project?.... Ar you suggesting that a major project like this which benefits the entire SS should be scrapped because it would benefit the SS more than the SE?... Is this a case of evil selfishness that makes you hate the fact project goes through the SS?... or is it just a case of just senseless short-sightedness that makes you think a high speed train which connects Onitsha and Lagos and also Aba would not be beneficial to the SE?.... Once again, is it everything that we must play politics of division with?

And by the way, the 2nd Niger bridge was never suspended by anyone but for the unavailability of funds for it in the 2015 budget. Nobody ever planned to stop the project and it is evil devisive souls like yourself that keep spreading this rumour of the bridge being cancelled by this govt purely to create disaffection and hate. God pass una and this evil folly will only consume you. Never in my life have I seen humans who are truly willing to cut their heads off to spite their nose.

Oxenomy:
Show us the map from a reliable source and stop this your malicious lies and deception against SE.. I have been watching you lately on NL here but continue, you will be exposed very soon.

You heard the transport minister in the video mentioning with his mouth, the towns where the proposed standard rail is meant to cross but you say you need a reliable source. There is no need to show you any map cos it is obvious your prejudice towards amaechi/buhari/apc has blocked your ability to be objective.

33xtr9r:
What sort of railway project, maliciously taunted to benefit the SE/SS/SW regions, and yet its track is so designed not to traverse a good portion of SE but rather crafted to just kiss the fringes thereof?

This is no matter of claiming Igbo on NL just to garner cheap likes from likeminded beings, for comments devoid of sound judgement and reasoning...

Once again, you are nobody to talk for the SE let alone the SS. The rail goes through the SS and touches some SE cities, it is called the coastal railway and it is a highly welcome development. If this is supposed to be opposition, then I've never in my life seen this kind of foolish opposition where humans almost literally cut their heads off to spite their nose. Your senseless wailing and prejudice for amaechi/buhari/apc obviously makes you wish bad for the SE so you can justify your irrational hatred for apc. But this your wickedness will not fly, development will come to the SE and SS. All of you opposed to this project all because of some foolish tribal/regional politics, your mentalities all stink, Tufia!

Hahaha... PDP going down as a useless regional party. They can keep playing tribal and religious divide politics. Even APGA is becoming national

Everything in Nigeria is turned to foolish politics and every emeka, tunde and yusuf myopically becomes a political theorist, albeit dumb ones. What have Nigerian youths been turned into for Christ sake? How did the minds of Nigerian youths get so depraved to even think in this manner?... For all those in this thread saying they do not want a high speed rail, you guys should kindly speak for daft selves; there are many who need it.

Op, the proposed rail passes through the entire SS region and it passes the SE city of Aba before getting to PH. There is also a spur from benin to Asaba and Onitsha. Quit playing dumb politics with everything.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KE2XYj9Id4

Mopolchi:
The time Una vote for their pikin Una dey happy

Mopolchi:
I am not justifying any killing but am only saying that the killing is on the increase now and nothing is done about it other than the accusation of the host communities as culprits. Justice delayed is justice denied. Buhari needs to show empathy to these communities and talk sensibly with his people, calling them to order. Evil thrives when those in power refuse to act. I think you Buharians should know that everyNigerian'slifematter. Hope this will get you out of your dormant infancy and probably swim in your skull too.

Yes you aren't justifying it, but from your statement which I quoted, you obviously imply that the fulani marauders started killing and sacking communities ''because buhari became president,' a very meaningless assertion if you ask me because the marauders have been marauding without hindrance since time immemorial. If they could kill freely under OBJ, Yaradua and GEJ, so kindly tell me why it would have been a better option voting GEJ who couldn't do jack about them and who didn't even speak?

I'm sure you have no answer to this question but you obviously just use every opportunity (even disconnected events) to weep and wail about your candidate losing an election ages ago.

33xtr0r:



Stop this your stale hyping on GEJ losing 2015 presidential election when you're clueless on the matter at hand!
You can't possibly fool everybody all the time with your usual antics...

Okay I may be wrong in my assertions, but kindly explain the rationale behind people wishing hurt on themselves just to prove a political point?.... On more than one occasion I have encountered some strange characters saying PMB/APC should take away 'their' projects from the SE/SS, how do you explain such degenerative mentality?

Emekamex:
Spare me the hypocrisy, weren't y'all masturbating and making fun of the SE in this thread below:
https://www.nairaland.com/3021926/outrage-fg-abandons-n140bn-2nd

Just read through comments by your folks. Nigeria as we all know is not united and every region playing dirty politics to outwit the other, as I said earlier, most of y'all making noise about the Calabar-Lagos rail don't really care about the communities involved but for your own selfish interest.

First of all, not everyone you encounter online is inherently silly enough to be given to the tribal games or to play politics with any and everything even to my own detriment (you can go read my posts). I do not know what you mean by "y'all masturbating and making fun of the SE." On the thread whose link you shared, I remember sharing exactly the same feelings which I expressed earlier; the 2nd Niger bridge was never cancelled and as a matter of fact, it was set aside as a priority project. Here is my post from the thread you shared so next time, try not to generalise:

obailala:
Much ado about nothing!

How can work continue on the project when money hasn't been released?

Can someone kindly mention the federal works project that happened in the entire 2015?

Buhari just had his first budget passed last week and N17billion was budgeted for the said 2nd Niger bridge. The same last week, a N350billion stimulus was released to resume abandoned federal projects and the finance minister rightly announced that the priority projects are the Lagos Ibadan road and the 2nd Niger Bridge. So what exactly is this large scale wailing all about?

http://www.punchng.com/n350bn-package-lagos-ibadan-expressway-2nd-niger-bridge-to-benefit/

Please when we want to wail, let's do it with a little bit of wisdom and with some due diligence in getting the right info first.

With these info available to the public, I strongly believe that those who still spread this falsehood about the bridge being abandoned are just devilishly trying to distort public opinion and fuel more hatred for Buhari/APC (c'mon man, next elections are very far away so it's too early for this).

Regarding the 2nd Niger Bridge, the Lagos-Calabar rail, the resuscitation of dead ports or building of new ones in the SS/SE and any other major economic projects, I am in total support of anything that uplifts the economy of these zones. Contrary to your quick assumptions, I am from the SE zone (even though I totally support PMB and do not support balkanisation); I would not be silly enough to politicise projects that could be beneficial to me and my family so try and stop your generalisations. Furthermore, irrespective of where a project is located, I would never be childish/foolish enough to oppose something that can uplift the nation; not everything should be politicised.

Emekamex:
Same way SW senators defied logic and allowed the ministry of works to shelve an important project as the 2nd Niger Bridge that is already 30% complete.

Some of you have a toxic heart of hatred which only magnets falsehoods to nurture your hatred. Kindly explain how the ministry of works shelved the 2nd Niger bridge project? The last time I checked, it was one of the prioritised projects in the budget of the ministry of work. I'm sure this is the falsehood some devils have been spreading in the SE to ferment hatred and create a silly justification for your hatred for APC/Buhari, but you will surely be disgraced; lies always have an expiry date.

GreatSE:
How many Job have been created for the Lagos Kano rail line.

How can jobs be created for a railway project that hasn't begun?

GreatSE:
Keep quiet whats the economical value of this rail line..... with this rail line Major sea port in SS and SE is dead....they will have every excuse to tell you to import and export from Lagos, we know ur antics..... Northerners sell their food to Lagos, what do Lagos want from SS and SE, nothing but crude oil, then sell the finished product from Lagos Dangote refinery back to SE and SS when those old FG refineries have packed up...Rubbish

Considering that the refineries in the nation have all already packed up, how does Dangote building a refinery in the SW stop investors from building refineries in the SE?

dondo83:
listen to yourself. ahhhh. im speechless can a human being reason like this?

Sometimes you need to ignore the foolishness proceeding from some of those imbeciles who claim they are speaking for the SS/SE. Some of these guys lost their sanity since Jonathan lost the election. In order to justify their hatred and decision to reject APC/Buhari, they fervently pray everyday that no developmental projects should be done in the SE/SS. In their hearts, they would be very sad if the Buhari/APC whom they hate does more for the SE/SS zones in terms of infrastructural development than the one they call their hero; more than once, I have read comments like "Buhari should take his projects to the north and SW, 'WE' don't need his railway."

These guys fervently pray for doom in the nation, they celebrate the current economic hardship and they rejoice at any hint of bad news. They have sold their minds and souls to the devil and have been rewarded with foolishness. Sometimes they really don't deserve a response.

Mopolchi:
The time Una vote for their pikin Una dey happy

Were fulani herdsmen not killing people before this administration?... Is Buhari the first northern president to rule Nigeria and will he be the last?... If Jonathan had won the election, wouldn't the presidency still have been revolved back to the north in 2019?.... Why do you jonathanians always display myopic reasoning on national issues?... Apparently in your head, fulani killing is a political justification why everyone should have voted your jonathan, and one would begin to wonder what GEJ did about the killings when he was president. Must you play politics with everything including human lives?

You guys should just grow up out of your infancy and sink it into your skull that GEJ has lost the election over a year ago and cannot lead Nigeria any more.

2cato:
ur people are been slaughterd en mass without an iota of pity

What exactly do you want him to do because his people are slaughtered?... Support Jonathan?

samogo1:
INHERITED WHAT? we are tired of all these blames. didn't they kw what they were abt to inherit before giving all those promises? what have they been using all the recovered loots for? yet we are borrowing.

Oh yes they knew the problems they were going to inherit and they knew it was going to take time to stabilise things and move the nation forward. The only persons involved in the blame games here are the evil men who created the problems originally and their confused supporters who are wailing and mounting pressure on the new government to solve the problems their heroes created in one day.

bejeiodus:
Why do Nigerian politicians find it difficult to acknowledge the things their predecessors did while in office? Another lie from the presidency just got busted.

What lie did the presidency lie?

All these useless blogs that are incapable of verifying even the most basic information. Several people have unknowingly been spreading this stale news for weeks now both on NL and on facebook. And even with all the clarifications that this is stale news, NL mods have eventually put trash on the frontpage.

TrumpDonald:
Oga, he's leaving in 2019. No two ways about it that's if he doesn't leave earlier than that.

Wishful thinking... With the prolonged high BP that is still worrying jonathanians today (1 year after election), I cant imagine the triple high BP that would happen in 2019 when PDP loses again

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1935021_goathead_jpg58c9135e15c847001910ac9a4ffd97bc

I wouldn't want to imagine what would happen if a person takes a loan from the haramites and defaults in the repayment.

Fellywood:
Hahaha....excuse me while I laugh at you

Lol.. the joke is on you bro... 16 months ago, nobody ever believed Buhari would contest, let alone win or rule Nigeria again. I remember the GEJ till 2019 and till infinity crew excusing and laughing at me then

gimakon:
he may die by then.

Na you wan kill am?... THe way this man has been travelling every 2 weeks, I as a young man would have waned out if I travelled that frequently.

They tried bokoharam, we subdued them, they trued ipob, that phase passed, now it seems they are trying the fulani herdsmen's murderous approach. But God still pass them.

babyoy:
They should work from d angle of politicians working against Rochas in imo state

Everything isnt politics you know. There are criminals out there who want to feed irrespective of who is in power.

PRXPERT:
I can not figure out how you reason!! You have no argument here, what concerns another opinion made by someone else with mine? let me stop here you don't worth the long epistle.

Apologies if my generalised opinion irks you. But I was seriously appalled by the responses I got in a similar thread, hence my generalisations.

YES I would!

Before the elections I actually knew things would turn out like this and it was very clear for any discerning mind to see especially when the reserves fell by $10bn in barely 6 months to $28bn, the Naira fell rapidly from 160 to 220, GDP growth rate fell from 6-7% to 2% and the FG was already borrowing to pay salaries. Besides, Prof Soludo clearly predicted this and NOI also predicted this even when oil was still selling above $65. Under such dire situation, I trusted buhari more to handle the hard times than GEJ who couldnt say NO to his thieving friends.

Everything wrong in the economy started going wrong as soon as oil prices began to crash, and that was under GEJ. So it is only ignoramuses that would compare the high oil price days (when money was surplus) to these low oil price days (when money is scarce). It was clearly predicted by experts that things would be bad and I knew it would definitely have been worse if GEJ and his incompetence was still in charge under these low oil price days; all any sensible person need do is to examine the economy in the last 6 months of GEJ to appreciate this fact. Hardcore jonathanian wailers wouldnt understand this though.

tuale4u:
As far as you are concern, Obi Ezekwesili is a yoruba woman, Ayiri is a yoruba man, Ogbonoya Onu is yoruba, Chriss Ngige is yoruba, Okorocha is yoruba, dakuku peterside is yoruba, Oshiomole is yoruba, Tam David West is yoruba, Jim Nwobodo is yoruba, Emeka Nworgu is yoruba. Please get a life. When Tonye Barnista was supporting Buhari he was Yoruba.

Sometimes you dont need to respond to some of the imbeciles you meet online who believe anyone with a contrary opinion from their cannot be from the SS or SE. It's difficult to completely ignore them though.

saintikechi:
See how you dey display your ignorance for nairaland. With many words you want to deceive nairalanders, it is a known fact that "empty vessels makes the loudest noise. I insist that GEJ left around 4000 mw of power when he left office. Let me educate you with this link.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/nigeria-power-generation-hits-2-year-high/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwic2Kn_pIfMAhVJKywKHZd6BWsQFggPMAA&usg=AFQjCNFDCCqK_-FE92RwdeTbBOclIs9fEQ

Please read it to the end it was in September 2014 and this other link is way back in April 2014.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.channelstv.com/2014/04/23/nigeria-power-generation-hits-4100mw/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwic2Kn_pIfMAhVJKywKHZd6BWsQFggZMAM&usg=AFQjCNHo7_ZesG5LXLWO8BfHrBTjuG6tIw

You can Thank me later.

saintikechi:
No ßĪŦƇĤ that link was used by someone else who quoted me before your dumb ass borrowed it. I only sent you a link to help you understand that by September 2014 we already hit 4000mw. And the black out you experienced prior to Jonathan's handover was caused by pipe line vandalism. Mind you, it did not affect the entire country Like what we are seeing now. Think before you quote me, cos you remind me of my ex ßĪŦƇĤ.

My Ikechi, no apologies but you are irredeemably daft character. You claim GEJ handed over power generation of over 4000mw, no body argues with you about the installed power generating capacity of the country. After all, the power generating capacity in the country today is over 5000mw, but the issue being discussed is how much of power is actually being generated. As at the time of GEJ's handover in May 2015, power generation in the country fell to as low as 1327mw, just the same way it fell to 2000mw and even zero recently (the excuse has always been pipeline vandalism). So quit being a dafto by posting links to news reports of 2014 when I have already presented more recent debunking reports from 2015.

Regarding the links I sent you, your exbitch obviously bleeped the last brains out of your skull reducing you to a screwed rettard, else I do not understand what the links I posted have to do with your dumb exbitch. I have a good memory of what happened to power generation in May 2015 (it's less than a year ago) and all I needed to do was a simple google search to dig up those links. If you truly saw the links I posted on this site, then I am probably the one who first used the links to deflate the ignorance of someone like you.

ba7man:
So what if he left 4000mw of electricity?

Did your thought process skip the fact that 1 dynamite placed on a gas pipeline will reduce that to 2000mw in 1 min?

Thanks to Niger delta vandals.

You know I've actually been wondering whether that guy is an slowpoke or a normal human or just a robot programmed to be stupidd. He claims that power generation when GEJ handed over was steadily above 4000mw. I showed him several reports which stated that power fell to as low as 1327mw in May 2015, but he still insists on his argument and then returns with a news report from September 2014 which said power peaked at 4044mw. I can't understand whether he can't read or whether he's just programmed to be silly, but he still insists he knows what he's talking about. Abeg make una help me ask am whether him dey okay