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And so it starts,in my lifetime,this is probably the 3rd or 4th incarnation of Biafran agitation, I 've witnessed,Man truly doesn't learn from the mistakes of others,this is just the same path most nationalist fronts took,from IRA to ANC to PLO to basque seperatists to the Kurds,next stop terrorism. Its just so sad that we never learn,hmmm Wars and Rumours of war.

naijababe:
Yeah right! I forgot how y'all like to dream up facts on this site. Buncha alternative facts folks

Please pose as igbo ,join Ipob forum and the type of people you will see as the ringleaders will shock you, I swear.the comment you quoted is about as real as it gets.Visit the east during December , come back and then disclaim the statement.

blackboy:
What makes him Nigerian. The story says he joins the long list of LONG ISLAND students - not LAGOS ISLAND students.

Does he have a Nigerian passport? Does he have an American passport?

Because my name is Samuel Robert don't make me American nor British. BEcause his name is Okonkwo don't make him Nigerian. Yes, Nigerian roots but not Nigerian.

Like the UK Parliament terror attacker his real surname was Ajose before he changed it to the muslimm name but because he was Ajose dont make him Nigerian.

How would some of us feel cause of our name we are called Aboki or Nna or Yoruba when really its just a name but not really where we come from.

The guy is American lets face it and not Nigerian.

Sorry.

If only you knew .........

Ikwokrikwo:
Igbos na wa.

Na real wah.

tutudesz:
stop claiming south south O! we know ourselves and the people have spoken openly that they are not one of you countless times,so get that into your block head!

No, correct yourself,itsekiri and uhrobo have spoken,not south south,you simply can't fathom that S.S is arbitrarily created.that there are loads of Igbo speakers in S.S is hard for you to understand,
Sorry.try harder.

jamislaw:
Stop saying gibberish

You 're being funny right,
jihad did not begin 20 yrs ago.the whole spread of Islam has been tied to Jihad and terrorism,
The whole of North Africa was for several hundred years mostly Coptic Christian, Jew and native idol worshipers, Islam took the whole area by force of jihad.and then crossed into Europe seizing Spain and Portugal for about 600 -800 yrs, that's why people there basically look like Arabs.they basically wiped the Castilians and the Aragonians.
Even here in Nigeria,otthman Dan fodio usurped by jihad the kingdoms of indigenous rulers,sending armies to unseat native rulers and impose his followers on them.
If that's not terrorism,please what is ??,

Ugosample:
Very good and interesting write up

Please don't feed trolls,nothing in the write up is factual or true.

To all the people who get online and spew garbage about Biafra and the Civil war,kindly pick up a book or two, read from both perspectives,and compare with foreign accounts of the conflict, you will soon get a clearer picture.it costs nothing .
I read loads of trash everyday by people who have no idea of what they are talking about,it's appallingly, some of this people don't even realise that they are doing IPOB's work for them,because by posting half truths which can be easily cross checked,they get hereto neutral people to take sides with the facts,thus doing ipobs work for them.
The greatest travesty that the Nigerian establishment has done is to try to sweep the whole saga under the rug,not teaching the history in schools, and disregarding real opportunities for true reconciliation.those who try to forget mistakes of the past are doomed to relive it.this cuts both ways.
To point out a couple of such absurdities, the Nigerians attacked first the city of nsuuka,got as far as ninth mile and were rebuffed. The biafrans felt the best way to end the conflict was to get to Lagos(then the seat of power).
Kindly note in the months building up to the war,Gowon had virtually stripped the South of Military hardware.leaving Lagos vulnerable.
So they felt getting to the West and consolidating would make it a North/South conflict.
The expedition led by Major Victor banjo had a few trucks, a couple of APC's, and about 700 soldiers, the plan was hinged on the element of surprise. It worked briefly, the Mid west was pacified in 1 day with minimal loss of lives.the main action was at Agbor junction where some Nigerian police constables lost their lives.
When Benin was "'liberated'',they pushed on to Ore,where they blew up Nigerian APCs,and then stopped.
The next 3 days are the stuff of legend,Banjo maintain phone contact with both Ojukwu and Awolowo,whatever was discussed that made him to delay for those 3 days cost him his life.
In meantime, Gowon rushed to reinforce Lagos,sending train loads of soldiers down thru jebba to lagos to siege up Dodan barracks,led by officers like Col Omar Sanda(who later changed his name to Gen like Nwachukwu).the biafran having lost the element of surprise retreated, the first of many such.
The Mid west was not won by any staged battle,but by swift surprise in getting to Benin.,lastly the lower parts did see any fighting,contrary to accounts i see here how biafran killed isoko,uhrobo and itsekiri peoples. This is just plain false.
Many things can learnt from the truthful accounts of the saga,foremost is War is never an option,but you must defend your self if you are threatened.
I could go into the little nuances but I will stop for now,please stop doing ipobs work for them,that is not the way to defuse an ideology.
Peace to all.

onyii255:
Ojukwu was actually pushing for a Confederation and it had been agreed at the Aburi conference in Ghana, but Gowon decided to go against the agreement when he returned to Nigeria....

In my own view, i think that civil war could have been avoided... Gowon and Ojukwu made very grievous mistakes...

I was actually scrolling down to see the first person to spot the lies,the Aburi declaration was for Nigeria to be a conferadacy, but Gowon reneged on return to Nigeria following "advice" from super perm secretaries like Phillip Asiedu and Co.mostly the reason was one of ego,Ojukwu Obliterated Gowon at Aburi conference, the video transcripts are still available online.Ojukwu with his showman oratory skills made Gowon look unprepared.
Gowon declared One Nigeria was non negotiable after agreeing at first,not the other way around.

obaataaokpaewu:
I just sent you a pm, please acknowledge.

Yagazie

Acknowledged ,may your coasts be enriched nwanne.

Udo

obaataaokpaewu:
I just sent you a pm, please acknowledge.

Yagazie

Just saw this,I can't see your pm bro,but it is acknowledged.
Udo, and a great day at work.

marshborn:
The name Chukwu was in existence ages before the white man came to Africa...He was a God worshipped by the igbos...get your facts right before commenting.

I think the point he's trying to make is that Chukwu abiama was never represented as an idol,he was believed to be a formless great spirit, mbari were set up in his dedication containing all other idols,but he was just represented by a big Nsibidi mark.
Even in Arochukwu, there are no idols to symbolize him.

Udo

sonmvayina:
my contribution: i am Ibo from delta state...i love my heritage and that is one of the reason i came back to Nigeria. i have a mixed race son back in the UK and would like to know about my heritage so i can pass it on to him...

i think we have not still gasp the whole message..Christians, Muslims and modern day traditionalists...we should not forget that the words of God always comes from the mouth of men. most times they pass this message using parables..for you to get the message of God or the spiritual messages in the parable you have to be thought by the diviner or spiritualist.

each culture has their way of telling their parables, i as an Ibo will find it hard to understand a Yoruba parable unless a Yoruba man/woman explains it to me..because to do so i will need to understand the Yoruba numerology, symbolism and iconography..it is even harder if it is a foreign one..take for example..the symbol for wisdom in my place is the tortoise...and we have our own numerology..the number 7 is regarded as a perfect number so is 4..so if i say ''Mr okafor has 7 tortoise'' you wont understand if you are not from my place..you will keep asking..what Mr okafor is doing with 7 tortoises...this kind of understanding gives rise to religion..
we have to see the scriptures with our spiritual eyes..not the physical one..so when the bible writers say Solomon had 700 wives, if you dont know the numerology and symbolism of the Jews, you wont understand the message in the story. to the Jews the symbol for wisdom is woman...wife simply mean a legal bed mate..so the 700 wives will mean something a good or perfect wisdom and the 300 concubines will be like imperfect wisdom.

that said...the Gods in the world are all the same but different nomenclature..that means Chukwu is Eledumare, is Osanobua is Osalobua is Ra is Marduk is Kronos is Odin....just the nomenclature.. and those cultures has built their own story using the elements of their culture..the stories are different, but the message is the same....The creator God is the same different name by different cultures..different stories or parables same message..

Kedu nwannem,
Firstly there are no 'ibos',no one is 'IBO',we are all igbos ,start by teaching your children that.
This thread has nothing to do the plethora of deities worldwide, but only those that are peculiar to the igbos,visit your ancestral home, ask the elders, you would find Odinani ids the same everywhere.
Yagazie, Udo

Abagworo:
There is no Igbo God known as Chukwu. The Aros who are at the extreme of Igboland and comprise of families with Igbo and Ibibio roots own the Chukwu or Ubini Ukpabi deity which became popular as the Aros spread across Igboland and beyond. Chukwu bi n'Aro was not moved elsewhere but people from different ethnic groups in asouthern Nigeria often traveled on pilgrimage to consult the Chukwu at Aro. The Aros later established the Amadioha and Igwekali at Ozuzu in Etche and Umunoha in Isu.

Please stop spreading misinformation by bending half truths,the worship a and belief in chukwu okike abiama spread thru out Igboland to other ethnicities. So much so,that he was regarded by all to be the all mighty creator,the great faceless formless spirit,though he is often described as male,the one belief is synonymous everywhere Igbo is spoken or understood.
That why the easiest way to get to interpret the Christian God to igbos was to use words and concepts they already understood.
Historically,the shrine existed in many communities as a dedication to him,but the main one was at Arochukwu (lLong Juju).people deferred to it as a sort of traditional Supreme Court whose judgement was final.
Also the Aros did not establish the Amadioha at Ozuzu or the Igwekali at Isu..please stop bending the truth,
Yagazie

marshborn:
Enough of the Abrahamic religions(judahism,christianity and islam), for once lets try to appreciate the Gods of our forefathers.

i would be educating you all on two very prominent ones in Igbo land.

Ala/Ani/Ana (the Igbo earth goddess)

Ala (also known as Ani, Ana, Ale, and Ali in varying Igbo dialects) is the female Alusi (deity) of the earth, morality, fertility and creativity in Odinani. She is the most important Alusi in the Igbo pantheon. In Odinani, Ala rules over the underworld, and holds the deceased ancestors in her womb. Her name literally translates to 'Ground' in the Igbo language, denoting her powers over the earth and her status as the ground itself. Ala is considered the highest Alusi in the Igbo pantheon. Ala's husband is Amadioha, the sky deity.

As the goddess of morality, Ala is involved in judging human actions and is in charge of Igbo law and customs known as 'Omenala'. Taboos and crimes among Igbo communities that are against the standard of Ala are called nsọ Ala. All ground is considered 'Holy land' as it is Ala herself. With human fertility, Ala is credited for the productivity of the land. Ala's messenger and living agent on earth is the python (Igbo: éké), which is especially revered in many Igbo communities. In art, Ala is often represented as a regal figure seated on a throne, surrounded by her family. In the past, such figures took the form of life-size mud sculptures in special festive shrines dedicated to the deity and known as Mbar

Actually igwekali is considered to be the husband of Ala,Amadioha became popular with the rise of the power and influence of the shrine in Ozuzu in etche.and igwekali is nowadays mostly known by those who have studied Odinani..
Igwe is still the word used to the heavens as opposed to the earth,if the sky don't rain ,the earth will not produce.
Amadioha his brother is more correctly described as a thunder god,a god of War and retribution. A defender of the weak and hopeless,this is what omenala teaches.
Yagazie.

222Martins:
To me, the most important diety in igbo land is Ofor na Ogu; the gods representing justice and fairness..........Ofor na Ogu has settled more land and family disputes in igbo land than the two you listed above

Ogwu n' ofor are not gods of themselves, but totem items symbolizing justice and fairness, every Igbo man has his own ofor n' ogwu in his Obi,they were totems not gods of their own selves. A man's Of or is handed to his Oldest Son when he dies as a sign of authority in the household, and the power to dispense justice.
It is Ala or Amadioha that exacts punishment when ogwu N' Ofor are transgressed. Titled men carried the white tusk as a symbol of Ofor, to signify that they are Men of intergrity and honour.who don't cheat.
Yagazie.

erico2k2:
correct, I was just pointing you to the definition of the ND, EDO state is included in ND cos of Oil derivatives AKA 13%

Just saw this,Edo state has one tributary(ethiope river) running thru its south eastern most corner of the state, the vast majority of its land mass is not situated within the delta itself,but is adjoining it,pls again consult map.
The oil reserve allocated to Edo is mostly offshore, not land based, however it deserves to in the NDDC,but physically,it is barely in the delta rivers network system.the aforementioned S.E states are actually more embedded in the delta than it.that's the hypocrisy.
This nebulous'ethnicity' some people keep claiming Niger deltan does not exist anywhere except in the minds of those who have allowed the government to define who they are and what they are.
If the government comes tomorrow and tell them they are west deltan or east deltan,they will start claiming this,Edo are edos,they have been so for thousands of years.emancipate your mind and the rest will follow.

erico2k2:
That's Geography .
We are talking political entity here spot the difference ?
Just to put you straight how does your definition corolate wiv EDO state ? Cos they are Niger Delta too.

Enrico, I prefer to discuss, to rub minds on ways not argue needlessly, the Edos are Edos,being situated in the Niger delta is another.

obiezed:
Actually this is not true,the Niger Delta gets it name from the network of tributaries and distributaries feeding into the ocean.pls consult the map,much of Edo state and Cross rivers are virtually untouched by this network, but the Anambra, Imo and Abia are riddled by the same network of rivers,I guess that why Obasanjo insisted on the inclusion Imo and Abia into NDDC,the whole area was formerly known as the Oil rivers protectorate in Colonial times. The S.S was created to make administration easier for the junta, also for divide and rule,if they do straight, there would be a dominant Igbo population in two geopolitical zones,which wouldn't work for them,therefore what we have,
I am pleading the case of IPOB,just calling a spade a spade.

erico2k2:
There is no need putting science where it is not needed . What I meant is.SS and SE are geopolitical zone s to identify certain groups and ethnicity withing the entity called Nigeria . Least we 4get this first came into light in the struggle for resource control and the namings of the oil producing states in the Delta as Niger Delta . It's just by coincidence the Niger Delta covers the whole SS .

Actually this is not true,the Niger Delta gets it name from the network of tributaries and distributaries feeding into the ocean.pls consult the map,much of Edo state and Cross rivers are virtually untouched by this network, but the Anambra, Imo and Abia are riddled by the same network of rivers,I guess that why Obasanjo insisted on the inclusion Imo and Abia into NDDC,the whole area was formerly known as the Oil rivers protectorate in Colonial times. The S.S was created to make administration easier for the junta, also for divide and rule,if they do straight, there would be a dominant Igbo population in two geopolitical zones,which wouldn't work for them,therefore what we have,
I am not pleading the case of IPOB,just calling a spade a spade.

Amarabae:
I did not say anything like that.. The discussion is about southern minorities and the need to leave them alone.
Its not by force. Haba!

Honestly speaking, the SS geopolitical zone is seriously fraudulent, it is not based on homogeneity, but a political decision by the military junta to implement divide and conquer tactics.
Notice the shape ,a U shaped tract of land designed to bypass certain areas, was that done in the north central case??,
I am not an ipob apologist, just asking to clear certain points,did you know warri and owerri are virtually on the same latitude west and east of the Niger, but one is called SS and the other SE,do that make any sense??
What is the cultural affinity BTW an estako man and an obubra man,if not for Nigeria, they would probably have met each other.
Damn,I guess am sounding like these ipob guys,but I am just pointing out certain facts,Imo and abia are in the true sense of the word more situated in the Niger delta than 60% of those claiming it,just look at the map.it really doesn't make any sense,not trying to offend.

Amarabae:
I told Ipobs something like this, they abused me.
you can't include people's land in Ipob map without consulting them.
and don't talk about referendum, they did not ask for one.
stop embarrasing Igbos please.
I will only support an Igbo only country.

Then that means you support ALL igbos to be a country of their own,does that not include Igbo in delta and rivers state??,just asking

Hello everyone,
Usually I won't do this, I would like to know if there are any real martial artists in the house,by that I mean those with combat effective techniques,usually you get a lot of these baba Sule dojos,where they make all types of claims about their art,how they can defeat multiple attackers simultaneously and consecutively, and how their art is the best .
These claims for anyone who has studied beyond the rudiments in any 2 martial arts or have actually use M.A techniques in real combat ,come across as bullshit, pardon my French,most traditional M.A schools waste their students time with katas that they are just going to learn for grading exams and then forget the next day,they are not combat effective,but simulations, they have their use,but that is limited.
I am not going to go into that today,there are many different MMA promotions that have addressed that issue of effectiveness,most notably the UFC,there are also a wide plethora of videos and the info online to whet the appetite of the naysayers.
I would like to know the M.artists in house,please feel free to comment,I would especially love to hear from the grappling community, I don't care if you study or have studied Judo,Jiujitsu, catch wrestling, SAMBO,pancrease etc, you are most welcome.
Also, if there are any bjj guys or judo guys who love Ne waza,hit me up if you love rolling.let's talk techniques, who's hot,who's not right now.new effective techniques etc.thanks.
P.s I have a twenty three year background in Shito ryu Karate plus a brown belt in jiujitsu,thirteen years.
Oss.
Cheers.

princeloba:
it is normal for yorubas to be few in catholic church due to the fact that most of the churches in Nigeria is dominated by one ethnic group or the others base on the origin of the church, for instance you hardly see igbos in anglican church and they also few in baptist, celestial mentions but a few,those found in cherubim and seraphim has their own version like eternal c&s church.

Actually, you are wrong,I am Igbo from Imo state,I am Anglican on both parents side for 3 generations now,my grandfather donated the land and supervised the building of the Church in my hometown.
There are a lot of Igbo Anglicans,even many Anglican churches in Lagos are predominantly igbo especially in neighborhoods that have high Igbo population like festac,satellite and the environs.

ganja06:
To an extent I like the way yorubas are structutured, the are more libral than any other ethnic group in Nigeria. The have large number of muslims, Christain and traditional worshipers and yet hardly discriminate though when I was serving in one western state the Christains there complain of marginalization by the muslims. Even there different christain dorminations are some how balanced. But Igbos are mainly Catholic and conservative

Actually historically, the religions practiced in every locality is as a result of when and how it came in contact with it,there were Muslims of Yoruba ethnicity in Ibadan as early as the late 1700s,
Also,the igbos were proselytized by different missionaries at different times,the first missionaries in the East were actually Presbyterians, they did not get a foothold, then came the Episcopals and the Lutherans,intact the first established full mission to the Southeast was led by bishop ajayi crowther,they came up the Niger and through the anambra ,Imo and Rivers river networks, got as far as Onitsha. They didnt penetrate into the hinterlands, this was successfully later done by Catholic missionaries particularly the Irish.
Today,Igbo are largely Roman Catholics,but there are a huge number of Anglicans,as well as a lot of Methodists,Presbyterians, assemblies of God,seventh day adventists and Jehovah's witness,
Also the traditional religions(ama ala) practice has waned,but is still being done by a lot of people.
Back to topic,I think yourubas have an aversion for any religion that curtails them from marrying, that why you won't see a lot of Yoruba catholic priests.

nijascammers:
emegwali that have been proved to be a fraud.The guy never got a Ph.D took University of Michigan to court to force them to award him a Ph.D
A friend of mine just graduated from University of Michigan.
Court case and the denial of degree

"Emeagwali studied for a Ph.D. degree from the University of Michigan from 1987 through 1991. His thesis was not accepted by a committee of internal and external examiners and thus he was not awarded the degree. Emeagwali filed a court challenge, stating that the decision was a violation of his civil rights and that the university had discriminated against him in several ways because of his race. The court challenge was dismissed, as was an appeal to the Michigan state Court of Appeals.[8]"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Emeagwali

If you have ever met the man,you would know why this is so,mazi Phillip can come off as being arrogant and obnoxious, but his intelligence will not be in doubt,often most degrees above Masters require some degree of politicking, some people just don't know how to lick arse,as is his case.but he is the real deal.

Spicycat:
Wish so too, that's the main reason i don't subscribe to any tribe in Nigeria, i prefer to be detribalize.

And you wonder why women are rarely the custodians of culture.

Elnino4ladies:
Rockefeller died of aids

That the man you choose to name your company after

Ether by Nas

I usually ignore most posts on nairaland, but point of correction,
The Nas line from ether goes**Rockefeller died ,that was the end of his chapter,
And that the man choose to name your company after**,
But as you can see Nas was wrong,the Rockefeller's didn't end with the death of the patriarch, John.d,
Did you know they built and still co-own the empire state building amongst other prime NY real estate,controlling shares at Chase Manhattan etc,
When the diss track ether dropped, I felt that was a wack line because I knew it wasn't true.
Most people just listen to the rhythm, they don't really hear or understand what they are hearing.
But hey, I guess what makes a good disc track is making shit up even if it isn't true.

Eljefeoflagos:
Lets not get supersticious here bro, not very thing is jazz please as this is what keeps dividing us as a country. its not a case of your bro eating "ewedu" , a popular type of draw soup used in eating some tradition dishes mostly prepared in the south western part of Nigeria , theres nothing wrong in tribes having some feel of each other types of meals from different parts of the country bro.Stop thinking that way, its your brothers choice to feel and enjoy whoever he wants to be with please respect that. In the case of him beating up your sister, that is really wrong of him and he shld apologise asap and amend ways with your siblings. pls lets not breed hatred for unity sake and lets learn to accommodate one another. You don't even know who you might fall in love with later on in life, be it Irobo, Itshekiri, igobo, hausa, yoruba , or even English, Brazilian or chinese. I have one advice 4u ... pls never limit your scope of partner to just your immediate environment if possible, and pls have you ever tasted other pals meals like the chinese , afang, and other meals b4? bliss me bro when u fall in love with a gurl from those zones, u'll taste their meals through that very girl.
Lastly with respect to your phone, pls turn up 4 yourself, work hard 4 yourself and don't expect NADA from anyone , Thank you. Heres a rare commenter on NL.

Quick question, what makes you think the guy is not Yoruba?,do you think every Yoruba person likes ewedu??

Vickiweezy:
Dat's not a skyscraper @OP

But he made you look, didn't he.

passyhansome:
Show me one thing brown roof a.k.a AFONJAS has ever created if not Wealthy Omo Nile and Agberos, noise makers

Nwanne,something the other thread about ethnic groups should have taught you is not everyone on nairaland is an afonja,in fact not all Yoruba are afonja,be wise.
Thumbs up to the young man's creativity, GOD bless his hustle.

MrAdetunjiBayo:
We yorubas will not be activists rather we will be cashtivists who will collect money from our daura lord and go protest against Amnesty International and Wike. Buhari is greater than Awolowo.

I know you must be a fellow Igbo,please stop this, this is not our style,troll baiting is juvenile, kindly leave trash for LAWMA.