₦airaland Forum

fastestfinger:
bro,the ijaws in bonny and opobo are immigrants who were allowed to stay as traders and potters.IGBO is the language of choice in those two towns...AM BEGINNING TO THINK ITS TIME WE FOCUS ON THIS IJAW LAND GRABBERS CUM EXPANSIONIST AND PUT THEM IN THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!

So Igbo was the language of choice in those two towns? So the towns were igbos towns before them came no be so ?

SeverusSnape:
As in eh...

We the so called "brothers" have washed our dirty linen in the public. Those who aren't happy about our unity will now find a cause to mock and ridicule us. *sigh*

You can be preaching unity when the other party is preaching interest.

DipoDee:
Summary;

1. Igbos, ND respects you, respect us too.

2. Igbos, you can claim Lagos to be no man's land, Pls steer clear of PH.

3. Igbos, allow us to make our own decisions as concerns secession, don't force us to join your Biafra struggle.

I think that's about it.

Stop being delusional, ND is not a people, speak for your tribe

Truckpusher:
The noise emanating from this thread is nothing but a pointer to all and sundry on the average mindset of the three major Nigerian tribes ,all they have always wanted was nothing but the total control over others even when it is obvious that these different ethnic groups posses their own distinct identity.The hate filled comments emanating from a people that called us brothers yesterday is well understood and we are not moved and will not cower under any circumstances ,at least now we can agree that all that show of brotherly love was all nothing special but interests, regional gains and personal prerogative let nobody deceive themselves.And we should always learn how to differentiate political leaning/party affiliation from regional interest and ethnicity.

Barcanista ,you have done marvelously well with this thread as this represents the true yearnings and aspirations of all the minority groups of this country that has been subjected to all kinds of marginalization ranging from environmental degradation,bastardized identity,bare-face oppression and the most painful one which is outright claims to the people's homeland and our Igbo neighbors took it to another dimension with their protest about IPOB in Port Harcourt instead of doing the same in Abuja ,the seat of power where their protest would have gotten more recognition.

Let me reiterate here that unity by force is slavery and the Niger Delta can stand on their own if it is the wish of Nigerians that every region should go their separate ways.The Niger Delta people would rather tie their future to the Nigerian project than dream of any kind of secession where there interests are not properly defined and protected and will not bow to any threat from anyone as far as Nigeria remains an entity.The Niger delta people will not fold their hands and watch any neighbor blackmail us into any submission as we also have the right to seek for our emancipation on our own terms and we do not owe any region any explanation or whatsoever under any circumstances and our Igbo brothers should respect our decision because we own ourselves and only us can dictate for ourselves.

Finally, no amount of intimidation will move us and no amount of insults will make us cower to anyone's ideology unless on our own terms and this is where we stand.

The mischief of Niger-Delta/South South.

Whenever any miscreant from this region like the OP (most times Ijaw, Esan and Bini), wants to display there disdain for the igbos labelling them expansionist and identity changers.

Please let it be known that

1.) This region Consist of over 40 Ethnic groups including but not limited to the igbos, ijaw, Ibibios, Esan, bini,Efik, Annang, isoko, urhobo, itseriki, ikwerre Etc.
So this miscreant if not being mischivious can not be talking about that region like it is mono ethic of the same accord.

2.) Whenever the Igbos talk about that region they refer to there igbo kit and kin in places like the the Aniomas of Delta state, igbanke's of Edo state, the oyibo's of Rivers state and so many other "Proudly igbo" groups who i most certainly don't know all there names. (Someone you who is knowledgeable can help us with there names).

3.) Other tribes that make up the Niger-delta/South-South, namely Ibiobio,Annang, Efik, itsekiri, (Ikwerres who a great percentage call themselves igbo), etc can openly voice out there stands on the Self- determination pursuit of biafra.

4.) This slogan developed by miscreants who accuse the igbos of wanting to take there land vs oil whilst they intend to silence our igbo kith and kin in that region with comments like this " THERE ARE NO IGBOS IN THE SOUTH-SOUTH", is the height of insult

chuna1985:
Who is obi of nnewi Is he a recognized ruler in nigeria Were u taught about obi of nnewi in primary n secondary socials studies

Nigga don't argue, The onitsha indigens ain't igbo.

Guy talk wetin you know now

hough it experienced great suffering during and after the civil war, by virtue of its still-strategic geographic position Onitsha has continued to develop, and by 2001 had an estimated population of 511,000 with a metropolitan population of 1,003,000.[2] The indigenous people of Onitsha are Igbo and speak the Igbo language. The Onitsha people like to be referred as Ndi Onicha.

carnegiefan:
My brother I really believe that these types of threads are unnecessary.
Unless I don't understand Biafra enough, we Igbo people are not the only ones who believe in it.
You alluded same in your comment above. Even the Edo is angling for it with a different name called Lower Niger Congress.
So talking about an Igbo only country and discussing its boundaries in Nairaland is not wise.
I say this because I've once argued with an Ngwa, and even an Onicha person about being Igbo.
There was NEVER (historically speaking) an Igbo only nation for a reason. It never existed.
Biafra is only failing, so far, because we haven't figured out a way to get it.
Once we figure it out, it will happen.
I cannot see myself debating with anybody about Igbo lands.
It is a conversation I cannot have with anybody, particularly in Nairaland where a Fulani can be claiming to be Ikwerre.

Onye isi Eastern leopard, I concur with this submission.
You need to die hit. We can not allow a few people startle us into making quick uncalculated decision.
I understand that we need to counter the lies and propaganda emanating from here.
I think we should tell any fool screaming Niger delta or SS to speak for himself and tribe or better still ignore them.

scholes0:
see educated illiterate method of comparison.

Instead of you being in solidarity with your Edo neighbors and cousins whom you happen to share a lot in common with, you are busy sucking on cross River's d!ck, when they have absolutely nothing to do with you. Go to Ogoja and ask them where Agbor is, if they will even know.

Edo is now brothers to anioma ( Igbo people) and they should form a country with bini and esan, and ditch biafra there kit and kin.
This really brilliant .....tell me more.

Abagworo:
After years of battling me on NL these people are beginning to face reality and agreeing with me.. Next is dropping that name "Biafra" and introducing "Republic of Igboland".

We learn everday, I have learnt alot.
More disturbing is the fact that ndigbo committed a political suicide this year supporting GEJ.
I have to give it to the Yorubas, they did what the igbos should have done to ensure the support of the north in 2019 presidency while ndigbo were busy being sentimental.

Well never again, whether in political Nigeria or beyond, everyone for yourself. Since these people believe themselves magicans let see how they remain relevant with there number.

Truckpusher:
Well, you should have known that at this age and time that there are lots of places in the great economies that were named by the colonialists eg the US has a lot of their cities,towns and villages named after British Generals,British towns and villages so what's the biggie about calling it Port Harcourt if we can't name anywhere Port Tonye in the UK? - Oh! I see, you want to rename it to recolonize us......Can you see that your greed and selfishness is inherent in you?...and you're even stupid in exhibiting it with a reckless abandon.....smh

The name is simply offensive to you because you feel it paint the city as an ikwerre or igbo. If it was a name drawn from your own region of the state I bet you would definitely embrace it. It's quite simple and I understand your fear boy.

In the steps to awaken people to realize who they are, history is always visited and that gave rise to the rememberance that IGWEOCHA was renamed after a white slave master Lewis Harcourt.

But if the likes of barcanista and truckpusher who can never in the lifetime name any part of of great Britain Port Tonye wishes to keep the name given to him by his master,there is very little you can do to help people with the house NIGGA mentality.

Kestolovee95:
How do people change a constitution without the consensus of it's constituents. Listen we are not forcing you to be Biafrans. The enemy facing us in the east is the fulani and their taju brothers, they looted this country to death, they are solely dependent on what your land can produce. Let's face the common enemy first, organize our referendum like civilised beings, ogba can stand alone, if it does not want to be a province in biafra and opts out later. It's simple.

Biafrans are the most educated in nigeria, let's stop fighting like christmas goats for ill-educated fulani and yorubas to derive enjoy. I'm sure some of them will contact you now to give you a handshake and a pat on the back for 'standing to the greedy ibos'. Be futuristic no one has ever towed that part, and gained. The history books are there for you to peruse.

The cart behind the horse.

The people are simply myopic.
A country like Switzerland has 7 presidents, they appoint one person to represent international every 2yrs.
A sensible people will look for ways to negotiate there place, join forces to achieve this goal but what do you get? Treachy even before the course.

The earlier ndigbo stop fighting for these backstabbing people out of sentiment the better for us.
Even if igbo remain in Nigeria politically these people are immaterial to the numbers we need to achieve any post.

We need to constantly speak up for igbos who have been carve into this region called south south. There is a great ploy to totally change there identity and mentality to use them against the SE region.

IGBOPRINCE:
I will not back off, you want unity for yourselves and your people,but you lot enjoys the disunity among ikwerres and co.

Anyway, ph belongs to ikwerre and that remains the stand of ndigbo.
Fear not.

So you see am too, trying to diminish the presence of igbos in the south, trying to rally other tribes in the south against ndigbo under the guise of Niger-delta as if its one people.

TonyeBarcanista:
You want to also teach me my tribe?
1. Ijaw is an ethnic group with NO central language. Though we are working on that. Irrespective of our various CLANS and Kingdoms, Ijaw is ONE!

2. It is not your business whether I answer Tamunotonye or Sotonye. It is not your busines whether I an Okrika bear Simipriye or Timipre. It isn't your business whether I call God as Tamara, Tamuno or Ayiba. The ko-ko is that we are all Izons. And we see ourself that.

Ijaw is Ijaw! Whether he's in Ondo (Arogbo), Patani or Bayelsa. It is our business nd headache NOT yours. And I won't discuss it any further. Thanks for your concern but back off

Quite Interesting, so we can also say igbo is igbo.
Whether from anioma or ontisha or Aba or oyigbo.
Whether in south-south or nigera-delta.
People should stop telling us who is igbo and who is not. Especially insulting, continuous denigration and denial of the existense of igbos in other regions than the SE.
Izon is strong, God bless ijawland and people whether in rivers or bayelsa.

Obiagu1:
Can you imagine, same people will accuse the Igbo of being arrogant.
Imagine him telling you you don't exist (no Igbo in the SS).

Well, it's left for you guys to shut them down when they mention NigerDelta or SS. It's obvious what motivates them.

Exactly my point..

HopeAtHand:
The whole Biafra setup isnt favourably to Ikwerre, therefore, we arent interested.

This is a beautiful stand so speak up for the ikwerre to form there Country or resource control.
Good luck with Hausa-Fulani accepting to heed to that.

It is high time these Ijaw, Bini and Esan quit screaming south south and Niger-delta like it's one people. There are about 40 ethnic groups and 250 languages in that region. Comprising of igbo, ibibio, Efik, ijaw, annang , uhrobo, itsekiri, isoko etc .

Truckpusher and Tonyebarcanista should speak for there ijaw people and nation. STOP THE REFERING TO SOUTH-SOUTH AS ONE PEOPLE.
YOU CANT ACCUSE IGBOS OF TRY TO CHANGE PEOPLE IDENTITY UNDER BIAFRA WHILST YOU DO THE SAME UNDER THE GUISE OF NIGER-DELTA OR SOUTH SOUTH. it is plain hypocrisy

atbu1983:
You are d one who has falsified history.
Nzeogu who was from Midwest(South south) who had clear national revolutionary vision to transform nigeria. He took care of d coup in the North himself and did a good Job. It was d Igbo(South east) soldier maj. Emmanuel Arinze Ifeajuna (Igbo man from Onitsha) who were in charge of eliminating Nnamdi Azikiwe who betrayed him by derailing his plan by claiming Azikiwe escaped. Thus it was d Igbos who made d coup sectional by thier actions.

Nzeogwu is from the tribe South South?.........LOL
Guy I am convinced that you can unseat AY as the king of comedy in Nigeria.
Yours is pure raw talent, don't waste it.

TonyeBarcanista:
This is the problem. Why not allow these people to agitate for themselves instead of speaking on their behalf? The people of the South South have come a long way. We are diverse and we have managed our differences in the best way we can. We see each other as brothers even in diversity and we maintain our distinct tribal nationality. We respect each other for recognizing us for who we are because we know that not everyone that answers "Uche" is Igbo, neither is is anyone that comes from Edo state is Bini. We know that not every Warri man is Urhobo. Some of us(Ijaws) have relatives in Ondo state but no time have we told the entire Ondo people that we are reclaiming 'part' of Ondo state, neither will you hear South-West Ijaws. That doesn't make them(Arogbos) less Ijaw than someone from Patani(in Delta state) or Ogbia in Bayelsa state.

Barcanista please say we the ijaw, you contradict yourself when you say we the south south.
South south includes the igbos too and other tribes who have nothing in common or careless about your ijaw nation struggle or views.

Truckpusher:
Olodo ,people unconsciously do interchange the Niger Delta with the South South terminology and it is acceptable within the Nigerian context .

So, tell me how did your parents end up being some crappy super iidiots?

That is what you made out from that post?
How about no igbos in SS/Niger-Delta

atbu1983:
You Igbo are extremely selfish.

If you truely love us, help us achieve our Niger Delta Republic with all the territory of the current six south south states while we support ur Biafra with all d territory of the current 5 south east state.

Dont tell me how our diversity in south south will make Niger Delta republic impossible because that will be a great lie. South south diversity is d strenght of south south. South south only have about 40 ethnic group with close similarity and history.

North East Nigeria have over 70 ethnic group and we see then as one. Why cant you see south south as one if not for ur greed to use ur population to annex south south?

The Niger Delta, as now defined officially by the Nigerian government, extends over about 70,000 km2 (27,000 sq mi) and makes up 7.5% of Nigeria's land mass. Historically and cartographically, it consists of present-day Bayelsa, Delta, and Rivers States. In 2000, however, Obasanjo's regime included Abia, Akwa-Ibom, Cross River State, Edo, Imo and Ondo States in the region. Some 31 million people[2] of more than 40 ethnic groups including the Bini, Efik, Esan, Ibibio, Igbo, Annang, Oron, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Yoruba, Isoko, Urhobo, Ukwuani, and Kalabari, are among the inhabitants in the Niger Delta, speaking about 250 different dialects.

Get enlightened bruh

Truckpusher:
There are no Igbos in SS and this is what I'm talking about.

We are a distinct group that share some cultural attributes with the Igbos and that doesn't make us Igbos and this is the crux of the matter.

I have repeatedly said that this term Niger- delta is very irritating.

Compare what this idio.t Truckpusher wrote with excerpt from Wikipedia.

The Niger Delta, as now defined officially by the Nigerian government, extends over about 70,000 km2 (27,000 sq mi) and makes up 7.5% of Nigeria's land mass. Historically and cartographically, it consists of present-day Bayelsa, Delta, and Rivers States. In 2000, however, Obasanjo's regime included Abia, Akwa-Ibom, Cross River State, Edo, Imo and Ondo States in the region. Some 31 million people[2] of more than 40 ethnic groups including the Bini, Efik, Esan, Ibibio, Igbo, Annang, Oron, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Yoruba, Isoko, Urhobo, Ukwuani, and Kalabari, are among the inhabitants in the Niger Delta, speaking about 250 different dialects.

atbu1983:
Former easter region is a creation of the British. There is no difference between former easter region and Nigeria. The nationalities were not consulted before it was created. Removing mainland igbo will ensure no tribe can dominate absolutely. Yes Ijaw may become the majority tribe but wont have up to 35% of the total population while at the same time contributing much to the republic of Niger delta. So absolute domination wont be possible by any tribe.

If south south Join Biafra, that country will be far worse than Nigeria. That will be a country where Igbo alone will be 60% of the population. Igbo will not need any vote from any other tribe to have thier way in that country while at the same time contributing the least resources.

the nationalities in south south are not sub nationalities of Igbo. They are independent nationalities who does not need Igbo.

Point of correction Biafra which was the former Nigerian eastern region have been in existence before the event of the british #fact#.

Again what happens to the island Igbos of delta and rivers and there lands?

So according to your logic the population of igbos is were you have an issue ba? Because of fear of domination not because they are not bringing any other other thing to the table.
So these other tribes in the south should be weary of the igbo man whom they have coexisted with for hundreds of years with no record of war against each other, have had peaceful trade whilst there language and culture still preserved till date but embrace the bini/esan whose only record in history is war, expansion and conquering of tertiaries? Plus they bring nothing feasible to the table.

Is Niger delta a people? This is were I don't understand your logic?

Niger-delta region comprises of several ethnic groups, Ijaw, Efik, annang, ibibio, itserkiri, isoko, urhrobo and of course igbos. (Lets called them Island Igbos).

Now here are my questions to you:

1.) This proposed Niger delta republic is going to have multiple ethnic groups including the igbos of that region. So how is this different from the proposed biafra.

2.) Why are you not clamoring for an only ijaw nation? (Barcanista) or Bini/ Esan republic ( Atbu1983), Why do you want to drag other ethnic groups of that region into your republic.

3.) Did other ethnic group consent to the same multi-ethnic Niger delta republic and how is this your republic different from the proposed biafra.

4.) Clearly your problem lie with mainland igbos (SE). Because so far the difference between your Niger-Delta and Biafra is the exclusion of the (SE Igbos).

5.) So if you exclude the SE igbos, what happens to the SS igbos and there lands? Will you force them into this republic or eviction them from there lands?

6.) The Igbos of SE and SS extraction are one people who are together in this pursuit so if you think you are going to carve any of them into your Republic you are seriously joking.

7.) Our cousins, ijaw, isoko, urohobo, Efik, etc were part of the former eastern region that formed biafra but if today they decide to remain in Nigeria, or Join biafra which is open to those who share the same religion, culture, food, ideologies including igala etc, they are very much welcomed. Also if they decide to form there singular nations, that would be lovely too.

8.) To the nitwitts such as the op who come here to say Niger delta republic and how igbos are forcing them into another union like Nigeria, please NIGGA speak for your tribe. If you are ijaw, clamour ijaw nation since you don't what to share a country with other tribes or is Igbo people your only problem.
Is your Niger- delta not going to be a union of ethnicity too?

8.) What sensible people with low population in the same struggle would do is negotiate a profitable alliance with people with more numbers to achieve a set goal.

9.) To my Igbo people, Yes I know the biafra struggle currently includes other ethnic for now but I think if achieved, these unrepentant cousins of ours should be cut off once and for all. I don't want to believe these people are this myopic in reasoning.
Here is a struggle that will benefit you the most instead of negotiating your position and benefits you are busy sabotaging the effort and creating useless articles of things you have limited understanding about. There parents did the same, obviously there children won't be any different.

10.) Our oyel, this phrase gave rise to all this Niger- delta republic chant. How a human being in 2015 believes that oil is all a nation needs to survive is beyond me. Isn't this why the contraption Nigeria is failing?
Myopia seems to be a big issue in that region.

Eziachi:
I fought and sweated for Biafra as a teenager and lost my innocence as a result of what I saw with my own eyes in the battle field.
Am Still 2000% Biafran. I never wanted Nigeria after 1967, never had a Nigerian passport till date.

But I believed we can still achieve our goal without fighting Yoruba all the time or calling Fulani childish names. Or calling Nigeria a zoo.

I am happy to hear this Sir.
There is this derogatory look on people who discuss the struggle for self determination as uneducated and jobsless whereas in actual sense a slight knowledge of the history of the fraud called Nigeria exposes these onlookers as naive.
My growing interest of politics and history has lead me to reading a lot and searching for information.
Sadly people of my age bracket are in serious political, historical, and cultural oblivion.

Eziachi:
Any human with any semblance of brain know that independent agitation especially the one that gulped almost 4 million lives will only sleep for a while but will never die.
Only Nigerians with their heads buried in the sand hoped that Biafra will be dead. Realities differs.

Mr Eziachi I love you (No homo).

Like is said before, Nnamdi Kanu adopted his methods because of the stubborn state of Nigeria where it is aborminable to discuss/ review the contract Nigeria we no enthic nationality in this entitity consented to its formation but fiercely protected by those on the receiving side of it benefits.
He also had to present himself the way he did to gain the trust of his people who have seen people posing as there leader only to sellout .
I am not an active member of the IPOB, though I do listen to radio biafra for comic relief, I can say that behind the crassness of his broadcast lay a very sound and tidy argument for the restoration of biafra and desolution of the geopolitical state of Nigeria.

I can aslo tell from your words that if given a chance at a vote you will definitely cast it in favour of self determination.

Nigeria went from the hands of bold criminal to that of smart criminals. That my friends is the only change you will get.

ba7man:
There are lots of past threads here on Nairaland containing news on how he insults and encourages his listeners to take up arms against Nigerian Authorities, Hausa and Yorubas....... it's common knowledge if you're regular in this section.

Don't have any source in hand right now but no regular visitor here will disclaim it. That dude has really been on a long leash for a while now.

Na wa o, That guy never called for anyone to take up arms to kill Yoruba and Hausa....chai make Una dey fear God Na.

He only said this followers needed arms to protect themself when they are attacked unlawfullly attack by police or other Nigeria forces.

TonyeBarcanista:
I am a strong advocate of right to self determination. However, self-determination is not an excuse for inciting people against the State and others. It is not acceptable anywhere to call for violence. It is unfortunate but Nnamdi Kanu not only broke the law but has made himself by his action a stumbling block to the right to the Biafran struggle for believers of this struggle.

I will strongly advise that patriotic youths consider the noble option that is provided in the UN charter IF they insist on secession. Personally, I believe in equity and justice whether within the political and geographical Nigeria or otherwise. The way and manner Nnamdi Kanu carried his struggle is unacceptable in any sane society. Nigeria is not a zoo

Tonye, firstly you have to understand that of course Nigeria is not literally a Zoo, that is a figure of speech used to liken the situation of the country..

1.) Nigeria as you know it was not formed by the different nationalities that current make up this geopolitical space.

2.) There has been no peaceful coexistence of the nationalities involved since 1914.

3.) The constitution by which the geopolitiy is governed was drafted without the consent of the nationalities involved. The constitution also made it treasonable to even discuss it. ( if this isn't slavery, what else is).

4.) Even with the arrest of Nnamdi Kanu, you hear people say he should be locked up forever or killed but not charged to court.
If that is not grossly illegal and the mindset animalistic, I wonder what is.

5.) If a nation of 32million people are not allowed to discuss there future or negiotate there stands in a contract they never willing enter or entered under the barrell of a gun, do you think they will be happy.

6.) I saw some of kayode ogundamisi post yesterday where he agreed that there was a progrom and deliberate attempt to exterminate a group of people then I ask, why are there no war criminals from that progrom
Various war crimes are still being persecuted today, why none from the killing of more than 3million people.

Finally, about nnamdi kanus methods, I belive he only wanted to use his methods to get the attention of the Nigerian State. Do I blame him? Hell no. Why? We have a national confab which if implemented would go a long way in addressing and appeasing various nationality in the Nigerian State but no one is talking about it.

What is going on with the Dss validates the claim that a peaceful resolution will always be trampled upon.

My personal views is this,
a.) The hypocrisy of the Nigerian State is very clear to anyone who wishes to do a little research.
b.) The injustice is very clear and unacceptable.
c.) People can not comfortably call fellow country men immigrants and expect them no be happy but when they try to forge a forge a nation of there own, they are called miscreants.

d.) The Nigerian contract must be discussed if this country wants to know peace or make any meaningful progress at all. If not expect more indigenous groups to spring up.

Finally, I think regional autonomy would address most issues in this country. This is simply how most civilised countries in the world operate.
People should be happy to submit there land and resources for the common good and to the building of a nation, when this is forcefully done then is amount to modern day slavery.