₦airaland Forum

ehikwe22:
Quit lying to yourself. The only place an average South Easterner "hear" Ika is on the internet.

Talking about intelligibility, do you understand either catalan or Spanish? If no, how do you know they're completely different?

If you don't understand both, what would be your next duty? Internet right ?

Google wether catalon and Spanish are mutually intelligible and get back to me here.

Can we show a practical reality of who is lying here, speak something in Ika, a short story and record it, then post it here let’s see if your Ika you speak is not Igbo.

Let everyone judge your Ika language that you claim is not Igbo.

ehikwe22:
Mr. It's not an Igbo word. A lot of what you call Igbo today were borrowed from Ika and Ika borrowed from Igbo. It's normal for a minority group contiguous with a majority group to be influenced more but that doesn't erase their identity

You guys in South East seems to be very ignorant about what a language and dialect. The fact is, there is absolutely no difference between a language and dialect. The difference between a language and dialect is 100% political all across the world. Even some other factors that are considered are influenced by politics. Catalonia are deep inside Spain but they don't want to be Spanish anymore so they named their language Catalonian. Do you think Catalonia is not intelligible with Spanish?

I can give you a million examples

Catalan language is clearly distinct from Spanish, as a Spanish person can’t hear or understand Catalan language, however in the case of Ika vs Igbo, Ika is not clearly distinct from Igbo as every Igbo person from SE hears Ika and Ika hears Igbo unlike Catalan and Spanish.

DomPerignon:
Good to hear you guys openly state why you are supporting Anioma as an extension of your SE and future Biafra.

I hope other Delta north people outside Asaba are seeing the reason for this Anioma rubbish support coming from your side.

What is actually the problem of Anioma becoming part of SE , does that add or remove anything from them, even if the issue of Biafra come up they have the right to reject it, why are you scared of irrelevant things. Nobody will force them against their wish. A country cannot farewell by forcing others to be in it.

peterincredible:
infact I don't really like that delta ibo thing self I am from anioma and we are igbos that delta-igbo is just to create separation nothing else

Good to know, don’t mind these enemies of Igbos telling you guys that you are Bini why there is no single Bini language in your language.

ehikwe22:
South East are not even one people. They're a mix of different people but somewhat related but completely segregated. The Europeans for the ease of administration brought you all together and made you one. Even creating a language for you and calling it Igbo.

Fortunately, they didn't find us that much related to add us to you guys and the natural boundary also played a big part. Even though the whole Igbo identity has been rubbing on us, we still want to maintain our separate identity. It doesn't matter what some ignorant folks call us. What we call ourselves matters most. And Ika language is recognised as it's own language but under the IGBOID family. The Nigeria government respect our identity and whenever any form of convention or confabs are held, Ika Ethnic Nationality are requested to send their representatives. Ika is recognised as an ethnic group in Nigeria andnDelta and it's taught in school. We now have our dictionary and our bible etc

Ika dictionary or Bible you are talking about is still Igbo words, every tribe have different dialects, Igbo is unity name as Yoruba or Hausa is a unity name for all their dialects. Your Ika tag end in Delta state, immediately you enter SW or north you are seeing as Igbo because your Ika dialect is under Igbo language.

casualobserver:
See as you turned this is abuse.

Let me remind you, you have not acheived any of your political goals in 64 years of the existence of this country.

SW has won 4 presidential elections in this country and had 2 elected presidents. A minority SS has become president before you. One group is doing something wrong and it is not the SW or the SS.

Politics is not selling spare parts where you can tell me to gerrout if I don’t like your price.

Oya insult me.

That is why I told you that you guys don’t want equity in Nigeria and that is why Nigeria is in shambles. Your above statement shows how you people drive joy in sabotaging Igbos and as a result of it Nigeria keep on suffering. The more you guys hold Igbo people down the more Nigeria is going down. In South South they have all the waters but no single functional Seaport, no standard international airport, no oil headquarters all are in Lagos just to punish the Igbos not to benefit from nearby seaports. Make una continue…..

casualobserver:
As usual noise and braggardry. No so you talk about referendum and nothing happen, na so you talk about presidency and nothing happen. No so una set fire to una region in the name of Biafra wey people just dey look una.

Like I said you are too emotional. Stick to business politics is not a game for emotional people.

You more emotional here, because you are pained about SE having additional state like other regions that have 6 states. You guys especially some of you Yorubas don’t like equitability in Nigeria, you thrive in sabotaging other regions to keep everything in SW.

DomPerignon:
Then why are you sitting down allowing Regina Daniels husband to be dragging you all to join the SE?

Continue to cry up and down ontop Anioma matter, people of Anioma speaks Igbo language and are called Delta Igbos in Nigeria.

ehikwe22:
I'm an Agbor man. I have zero business with the South East. I have never had any relationship witj them from pre-colonial times till date

Do you need to have anything to do with SE to be part of it, name one geopolitical zone in Nigeria that is not having different tribes in it. Last I checked, Agbor people are called Delta Igbos how come you don’t have anything to do with Igbos.

casualobserver:
The day your state is created let me know. I will credit you with N1m.

It might take time but must be achieved

casualobserver:
Why do we like to argue emotionally? I am telling you the reality of the negotions for state creation. If you want to toe that line the SE shouldn’t even have 5 states in the 1st place, the entire SE is not up to Oyo state or Niger state. When you take that line that is what those from Oyo or Niger will tell you. So don’t go along that line, I am simply telling you the politics of state creation.

Finally what do you have to show for the 5 states you have?

You are just arguing, if you bring in landmass then the north will have more 100 states, have you thought of population density in a small landmass, population of Anambra state is near to that of Oyo state showing that human density is more important than empty unoccupied landmass in Oyo or northern part and deserves more state than state that have big landmass with empty landscapes.

Apart from Lagos that was built with Nigeria oil money as former capital of Nigeria for more than 50 years, name one state in SW that is better than any state in SE if the 5 states in SE have not achieve nothing

Creamypie:
no. We urhobos don't support it cos no landmark boundary in Delta state, especially between central and north. The tribes are mixed up. Urhobos dey abbi and ukwuanis full orogun as indigenes. Besides we don't want any link at all with ipob. Regina Daniel will become firstladyonly in her dream in 2039, when it will be next turn of Delta north to produce governor. Ned will be 86 years by then. River Niger separates south from east forever. Ukwuanis, ndokwa, and Ika no wan even take ear hear say them be igbo, ipob. Even isele uku king has affirmed their Benin ancestry. Asaba too are direct Igala roots. Any ipob member who attacks me should go and direct their attacks at theses Kings, since they are number 1 citizens of their kingdoms for over 1000 years. Ukwuanis, ndoka, ijaw and ogonis haven't forgiven ipob for killing them for refusing to join Biafra army

Are you from Anioma or Yoruba, in SW there are other tribes that make up the 6 states in SW like Ijebu, Aworis, Ilaje, Egun, theses sub groups are not indigenous Yoruba , North have different tribes across their political zones, SS the same, when it come to SE you will start looking if the Aniomas that is called Delta Igbos are Igbos to join SE. Some of you are just paranoid.

casualobserver:
All these creation of states, The small money you have will be used for funding the lifestyles and overheads (aka convoys and security votes) of more governors. Any citizen looking for a new state does not like his people.

Once upon a time we had only 3 sub governments in Ibadan, kaduna and Enugu. There was enough money left for the people. When you hear of the development of those days it is because all the money was not taken up in admin overhead. The more you create states, the poorer the states become. The more your citizens migrate to Abuja or Lagos.

We had 3 premiers and their cabinets. Today we find 36 governors and their cabinets and some want to add more?

Anyway state creation is dead on arrival. To create a state in SS, SE will demand their own or they won’t vote for it, for that to happen SW will say kilode? We too we want Ibadan state or Ijebu state. To get the North to approve 4 new southern states, they will demand 6 states. You where this is going? Dead on arrival!

Make e no be like say we no fight for state when we dey senate! They all know it is dead on arrival!

You are greedy, SW have 6 state already, if Nigerians have conscience, Anioma state is a must to make SE to have 6 state like other regions. Na una still they carry religion for head.

chrisxxx:
Does it mean Igbos emanated from Ikwerre?

It possible but which ever way the pendulum swings in diversity of this language it is clear that Igbo, Ikwerre, Anioma, Igbanke is from the same parent source that diverse into different dialects up to Nsukka, Ezza-Ikwo in Ebonyi.

In the whole world it never happen that a language that can be heard by group of people with minor differences can never be of different language from each other.

A person from Germany hear almost everything Austria person is saying. Germany call their own dialect deutsch, Netherland(Holland) call their own Dutch.

Raf4:
So, what's the meaning of Ajegunle in Ijaw language?
How come none of Baale, traditional chiefs, indigenous land owners in Ajegunle is Ijaw

Ijaws are not the owner of Ajegunle, they only live in waterline areas.

Read this write up below from Ijaw museum, there are video evidences of their community settlement in Lagos.

chrisxxx:
Ikwerre people see you people as slaves and their servants. It is demeaning to them when you smear them with your identity.
Any ikwerre man you see ask him the meaning of Isoma. Ikwerre people call you people isoma.

It doesn’t matter, Enugu people call some Igbos Agbaenu, while Anambra call some Igbos Wawa, that doesn’t make them not to be Igbos. Ikwerre calling Igbos Isoma doesn’t make Ikwerre not to be Igbo because their language is a dialect of Igbo.

chrisxxx:
Please check online to read about mutual intelligibility of language.
It is not only with ikwerre and Igbos. There are other people as well. There are Sweden and Norway. Denmark and Finland. Ukraine and Poland. Malaysia and Indonesia. Spain and Portugal and so on. Ikwerre today believes perhaps Igbos might be Ikwerres and not the other way.

The countries you mentioned originated their dialects from one parent language like Spain, Italy and Potuguese all are Latin language that its dialects politically emerges into this 3 countries as political name. Read history of languages in Europe. German also have different dialects to diverses into different countries like Germany, Austria, Holland etc.

Ikwerre is the same with Igbo, Anioma-Ika in Delta state, Igbanke in Edo state and Ngwa/Abriba in Abia state. They all originated from the same parent language 100%.

forgiveness:
If they were there before the white came, why were they not captured on this census?

Don't forget Ajegunle is owned by the Ojora family and it's under Apapa.

Is the source of this information genuine because anything go in Nigeria, If Ijaw can be living in Ogun state waterline, how do you think they will not live also in nearby waterline areas of Lagos. You have seen a video of their community in Lagos and you are basing your argument on piece of paper instead of reality you are seeing.

EeyanMayweather:
This guy is a dunce
Say Awori isn’t intelligible with Yoruba 😂😂
I’m sure you’ve never heard Awori spoken anywhere else before . The same Awori of Oyo and Ogun Abi another one .

Awori is even closer to the mainstream Oyo Yoruba than the ones been spoken in the Eastern flanks of Ijebu, Ondo and Ekiti 😂😂

Ok let say Awori is a sub group of Yoruba language, what of Egun, I am 100% sure that Egun is not intelligible with Yoruba.

EeyanMayweather:
See this retard sending a screenshot from Facebook and a video of a hungry looking man as his historical evidence 😂😂
Nawa for some of you oo

It is obvious that you didn’t watch the video to learn one or two things about this Kiokio Ijaw community in Lagos.

casualobserver:
There are already areas that are known to be Ibo areas.

Festac is predominantly Ibo, amuwo, etc.

Yes but it still lack the community term that can be used to refer to an area as belonging to a particular tribe, like if you enter Badagri side of Lagos you will know that it is Egun community or Igbo Osere of Ilajes. Festac or Amuwo Odofin only have large number of Igbos but it is not Igbo community.

When I live in surulere bodethomas area of Lagos, in our street there is about 30 houses, Igbos own about 18 so the remaining 12 mixed it Up, 9 Yoruba houses, 1 Hausa, 1 Bini, 1 Urobo Delta Man. So Igbos can’t claim such places although they are majority owners of houses.

chimex38:
thanks @ Odingo1 for the history exposition in your own little research 🙏
and especially the manner you used in responding to tensed comments that would have spiraled out of control on the thread. Kudus👍

Ok thanks 🙏, you are welcome 🤗

Factcheck0001:
u don't even understand what u posted

He's talking about migration to settle down, he never claimed ijebus were not yorubas

https://g.co/kgs/TAWnJGW

In Awujele statement: Oba Adetona revealed that as a matter of fact, when the idea of Yoruba term was first tossed around, Ijebus declined membership of Yoruba umbrella on the ground that they are not descendants of Oduduwa but from Wadai in Sudan.

Factcheck0001:
u don't even understand what u posted

He's talking about migration to settle down, he never claimed ijebus were not yorubas

There is one he said they are not Yorubas, I am looking for it

yommen:
Is Awori not Yoruba again? Habba! Sey Awori language no be Yoruba ni? There are other Yoruba subgroups too: Ijebu, Egba, Ijesha, Ekiti, Ondo, Ilaje... Etc.

Why is it that these Igbos are always defining Yoruba identity for Yoruba people? This is very strong o

Try to differentiate reality with political classification or sub groups, any language in the world that you cannot hear what they are speaking simply means that your language is not synonymous or intelligible with their language and of different ethnicity. A Yoruba person can’t hear Awori, Egun or Ilaje. I don’t know much about Ijebu.

In Lagos state television, they air news in Egun and it is totally different from Yoruba language including Awori and Ilaje.

Factcheck0001:
any link to that bro?

http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/06/25/ijebus-are-from-sudan-awujale-insists/

I will look for the video, Awujele said clearly that they are not originally Yorubas.

Factcheck0001:
any link to that bro?

I will send you a link of Ijebu Awujele that said that, so that you can listen to him.

Factcheck0001:
so in one word ijebus are not yorubas?

Yes they are not Yorubas but understand that over the years they have been assimilated into Yoruba umbrella.

Them theirselves Ijebus maintain that they differ from Yorubas, their Awujele king said that openly that they are from Sudan and not previously Yorubas.

Prosperity of Lagos or South West bring so many different ethnic groups together under Yoruba umbrella.

Factcheck0001:
since dialect differ

Are ijebu n ondo still yorubas

Yes or no?

No Ijebu people are not originally indigenous to dialects of Yorubas but long time of living close to Yorubas assimilated there language into Yoruba. Ijebu is different ethnicity that migrated from Sudan.

Remember that the term Yoruba is a unity name, in ancient time there no name like Yoruba, Yorubas live dialects by dialects like Egbas, Ekiti, Owo, Oyo etc. There are many different tribes in South West that was assimilated into Yoruba umbrella.

Factcheck0001:
I b Lagos boy but I had a girlfriend from ijebu then

Anytime she speaks with her mom in ijebu I no dey hear anything dem Dey talk

Does that mean ijebu is not Yoruba land?

Same thing with ondo, I was just lost when we went there for ceremony

Does that mean ondo n ijebu are not yorubas?

Then to classify it as Yoruba, the sound have to be similar with cultural similarities. Dialects can sound similar but may not be heard. Like Itshekiri in Delta state, everyone that hear where itshekiri is spoken know that it is similar to Yoruba in sound.

Factcheck0001:
please where did d awori, ilaje n egun said they ain't Yoruba?

I come tire for u oooo

Please try to understand, they don’t need to say they are not Yoruba. Your language define you. As far as Yorubas cannot hear Egun language when it is spoken then it is simple that they are not originally Yoruba indigenous but can choose to claim or align with Yorubas.

There are various dialects of Yorubas that when spoken every Yoruba will understand a little bit eg Ekiti, Igbomina, Ijebu, Ijesa, Oyo, Ondo, Owo, Ikale, Ikare, Gbede, Ijumu, Ife, etc.

If Igbos cannot hear Ikwerre language when it is spoken then it is simple that Ikwerres are not Igbo. I am not a Yoruba because I can’t hear Yoruba language except if I learn it.

Factcheck0001:
guy u have a problem

Ikwere say they are not Igbos

Egun n aworis didn't reject yorubas but u Igbos want to start claiming they are not yorubas

Have the egun n aworis ever rejected yorubas?

Please answer that question

Humans don’t have the capacity to decide which tribe they belong to, nature do that for all humans in the world. Your indigenous language and culture define which ethnicity you belong as human on this planet earth.

Aworis, Ilaje and Egun Languages are not intelligible with Yoruba, so they are not Yorubas but they can choose to align themselves with Yorubas for political purposes. That cannot not be said with Ikwerre dialect of Igbo because every Igbo person hear Ikwerre language when it is spoken and vice versa every Ikwerre person hear central Igbo when it is been spoken offcourse saying they are not Igbos is just for political purposes.