₦airaland Forum

Creamypie:
no. We urhobos don't support it cos no landmark boundary in Delta state, especially between central and north. The tribes are mixed up. Urhobos dey abbi and ukwuanis full orogun as indigenes. Besides we don't want any link at all with ipob. Regina Daniel will become firstladyonly in her dream in 2039, when it will be next turn of Delta north to produce governor. Ned will be 86 years by then. River Niger separates south from east forever. Ukwuanis, ndokwa, and Ika no wan even take ear hear say them be igbo, ipob. Even isele uku king has affirmed their Benin ancestry. Asaba too are direct Igala roots. Any ipob member who attacks me should go and direct their attacks at theses Kings, since they are number 1 citizens of their kingdoms for over 1000 years. Ukwuanis, ndoka, ijaw and ogonis haven't forgiven ipob for killing them for refusing to join Biafra army

Are you from Anioma or Yoruba, in SW there are other tribes that make up the 6 states in SW like Ijebu, Aworis, Ilaje, Egun, theses sub groups are not indigenous Yoruba , North have different tribes across their political zones, SS the same, when it come to SE you will start looking if the Aniomas that is called Delta Igbos are Igbos to join SE. Some of you are just paranoid.

casualobserver:
All these creation of states, The small money you have will be used for funding the lifestyles and overheads (aka convoys and security votes) of more governors. Any citizen looking for a new state does not like his people.

Once upon a time we had only 3 sub governments in Ibadan, kaduna and Enugu. There was enough money left for the people. When you hear of the development of those days it is because all the money was not taken up in admin overhead. The more you create states, the poorer the states become. The more your citizens migrate to Abuja or Lagos.

We had 3 premiers and their cabinets. Today we find 36 governors and their cabinets and some want to add more?

Anyway state creation is dead on arrival. To create a state in SS, SE will demand their own or they won’t vote for it, for that to happen SW will say kilode? We too we want Ibadan state or Ijebu state. To get the North to approve 4 new southern states, they will demand 6 states. You where this is going? Dead on arrival!

Make e no be like say we no fight for state when we dey senate! They all know it is dead on arrival!

You are greedy, SW have 6 state already, if Nigerians have conscience, Anioma state is a must to make SE to have 6 state like other regions. Na una still they carry religion for head.

chrisxxx:
Does it mean Igbos emanated from Ikwerre?

It possible but which ever way the pendulum swings in diversity of this language it is clear that Igbo, Ikwerre, Anioma, Igbanke is from the same parent source that diverse into different dialects up to Nsukka, Ezza-Ikwo in Ebonyi.

In the whole world it never happen that a language that can be heard by group of people with minor differences can never be of different language from each other.

A person from Germany hear almost everything Austria person is saying. Germany call their own dialect deutsch, Netherland(Holland) call their own Dutch.

Raf4:
So, what's the meaning of Ajegunle in Ijaw language?
How come none of Baale, traditional chiefs, indigenous land owners in Ajegunle is Ijaw

Ijaws are not the owner of Ajegunle, they only live in waterline areas.

Read this write up below from Ijaw museum, there are video evidences of their community settlement in Lagos.

chrisxxx:
Ikwerre people see you people as slaves and their servants. It is demeaning to them when you smear them with your identity.
Any ikwerre man you see ask him the meaning of Isoma. Ikwerre people call you people isoma.

It doesn’t matter, Enugu people call some Igbos Agbaenu, while Anambra call some Igbos Wawa, that doesn’t make them not to be Igbos. Ikwerre calling Igbos Isoma doesn’t make Ikwerre not to be Igbo because their language is a dialect of Igbo.

chrisxxx:
Please check online to read about mutual intelligibility of language.
It is not only with ikwerre and Igbos. There are other people as well. There are Sweden and Norway. Denmark and Finland. Ukraine and Poland. Malaysia and Indonesia. Spain and Portugal and so on. Ikwerre today believes perhaps Igbos might be Ikwerres and not the other way.

The countries you mentioned originated their dialects from one parent language like Spain, Italy and Potuguese all are Latin language that its dialects politically emerges into this 3 countries as political name. Read history of languages in Europe. German also have different dialects to diverses into different countries like Germany, Austria, Holland etc.

Ikwerre is the same with Igbo, Anioma-Ika in Delta state, Igbanke in Edo state and Ngwa/Abriba in Abia state. They all originated from the same parent language 100%.

forgiveness:
If they were there before the white came, why were they not captured on this census?

Don't forget Ajegunle is owned by the Ojora family and it's under Apapa.

Is the source of this information genuine because anything go in Nigeria, If Ijaw can be living in Ogun state waterline, how do you think they will not live also in nearby waterline areas of Lagos. You have seen a video of their community in Lagos and you are basing your argument on piece of paper instead of reality you are seeing.

EeyanMayweather:
This guy is a dunce
Say Awori isn’t intelligible with Yoruba 😂😂
I’m sure you’ve never heard Awori spoken anywhere else before . The same Awori of Oyo and Ogun Abi another one .

Awori is even closer to the mainstream Oyo Yoruba than the ones been spoken in the Eastern flanks of Ijebu, Ondo and Ekiti 😂😂

Ok let say Awori is a sub group of Yoruba language, what of Egun, I am 100% sure that Egun is not intelligible with Yoruba.

EeyanMayweather:
See this retard sending a screenshot from Facebook and a video of a hungry looking man as his historical evidence 😂😂
Nawa for some of you oo

It is obvious that you didn’t watch the video to learn one or two things about this Kiokio Ijaw community in Lagos.

casualobserver:
There are already areas that are known to be Ibo areas.

Festac is predominantly Ibo, amuwo, etc.

Yes but it still lack the community term that can be used to refer to an area as belonging to a particular tribe, like if you enter Badagri side of Lagos you will know that it is Egun community or Igbo Osere of Ilajes. Festac or Amuwo Odofin only have large number of Igbos but it is not Igbo community.

When I live in surulere bodethomas area of Lagos, in our street there is about 30 houses, Igbos own about 18 so the remaining 12 mixed it Up, 9 Yoruba houses, 1 Hausa, 1 Bini, 1 Urobo Delta Man. So Igbos can’t claim such places although they are majority owners of houses.

chimex38:
thanks @ Odingo1 for the history exposition in your own little research 🙏
and especially the manner you used in responding to tensed comments that would have spiraled out of control on the thread. Kudus👍

Ok thanks 🙏, you are welcome 🤗

Factcheck0001:
u don't even understand what u posted

He's talking about migration to settle down, he never claimed ijebus were not yorubas

https://g.co/kgs/TAWnJGW

In Awujele statement: Oba Adetona revealed that as a matter of fact, when the idea of Yoruba term was first tossed around, Ijebus declined membership of Yoruba umbrella on the ground that they are not descendants of Oduduwa but from Wadai in Sudan.

Factcheck0001:
u don't even understand what u posted

He's talking about migration to settle down, he never claimed ijebus were not yorubas

There is one he said they are not Yorubas, I am looking for it

yommen:
Is Awori not Yoruba again? Habba! Sey Awori language no be Yoruba ni? There are other Yoruba subgroups too: Ijebu, Egba, Ijesha, Ekiti, Ondo, Ilaje... Etc.

Why is it that these Igbos are always defining Yoruba identity for Yoruba people? This is very strong o

Try to differentiate reality with political classification or sub groups, any language in the world that you cannot hear what they are speaking simply means that your language is not synonymous or intelligible with their language and of different ethnicity. A Yoruba person can’t hear Awori, Egun or Ilaje. I don’t know much about Ijebu.

In Lagos state television, they air news in Egun and it is totally different from Yoruba language including Awori and Ilaje.

Factcheck0001:
any link to that bro?

http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/06/25/ijebus-are-from-sudan-awujale-insists/

I will look for the video, Awujele said clearly that they are not originally Yorubas.

Factcheck0001:
any link to that bro?

I will send you a link of Ijebu Awujele that said that, so that you can listen to him.

Factcheck0001:
so in one word ijebus are not yorubas?

Yes they are not Yorubas but understand that over the years they have been assimilated into Yoruba umbrella.

Them theirselves Ijebus maintain that they differ from Yorubas, their Awujele king said that openly that they are from Sudan and not previously Yorubas.

Prosperity of Lagos or South West bring so many different ethnic groups together under Yoruba umbrella.

Factcheck0001:
since dialect differ

Are ijebu n ondo still yorubas

Yes or no?

No Ijebu people are not originally indigenous to dialects of Yorubas but long time of living close to Yorubas assimilated there language into Yoruba. Ijebu is different ethnicity that migrated from Sudan.

Remember that the term Yoruba is a unity name, in ancient time there no name like Yoruba, Yorubas live dialects by dialects like Egbas, Ekiti, Owo, Oyo etc. There are many different tribes in South West that was assimilated into Yoruba umbrella.

Factcheck0001:
I b Lagos boy but I had a girlfriend from ijebu then

Anytime she speaks with her mom in ijebu I no dey hear anything dem Dey talk

Does that mean ijebu is not Yoruba land?

Same thing with ondo, I was just lost when we went there for ceremony

Does that mean ondo n ijebu are not yorubas?

Then to classify it as Yoruba, the sound have to be similar with cultural similarities. Dialects can sound similar but may not be heard. Like Itshekiri in Delta state, everyone that hear where itshekiri is spoken know that it is similar to Yoruba in sound.

Factcheck0001:
please where did d awori, ilaje n egun said they ain't Yoruba?

I come tire for u oooo

Please try to understand, they don’t need to say they are not Yoruba. Your language define you. As far as Yorubas cannot hear Egun language when it is spoken then it is simple that they are not originally Yoruba indigenous but can choose to claim or align with Yorubas.

There are various dialects of Yorubas that when spoken every Yoruba will understand a little bit eg Ekiti, Igbomina, Ijebu, Ijesa, Oyo, Ondo, Owo, Ikale, Ikare, Gbede, Ijumu, Ife, etc.

If Igbos cannot hear Ikwerre language when it is spoken then it is simple that Ikwerres are not Igbo. I am not a Yoruba because I can’t hear Yoruba language except if I learn it.

Factcheck0001:
guy u have a problem

Ikwere say they are not Igbos

Egun n aworis didn't reject yorubas but u Igbos want to start claiming they are not yorubas

Have the egun n aworis ever rejected yorubas?

Please answer that question

Humans don’t have the capacity to decide which tribe they belong to, nature do that for all humans in the world. Your indigenous language and culture define which ethnicity you belong as human on this planet earth.

Aworis, Ilaje and Egun Languages are not intelligible with Yoruba, so they are not Yorubas but they can choose to align themselves with Yorubas for political purposes. That cannot not be said with Ikwerre dialect of Igbo because every Igbo person hear Ikwerre language when it is spoken and vice versa every Ikwerre person hear central Igbo when it is been spoken offcourse saying they are not Igbos is just for political purposes.

Factcheck0001:
u Igbos are another thing else

So since u Igbos are now put in your place in Lagos, u are now saying ijaw are Igbos

Ijaws in ajegunle

U are just a mad man with phone

Watch and learn so that you will not be falling your hand, there is many things you don’t know because history are not taught in Nigeria schools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfW7499XWXk

forgiveness:
Ijaw claiming land na today?

See evidence they are not indigenous to Lagos.

You see Ijaws in reality on their ancestral land in Lagos and you are saying they are claiming land.

There was a time Ijaw and Yorubas clash over the ownership of some waterline communities in Ajegunle Lagos.

The truth is that Ijaws occupied that area before the white people came into Lagos, Egun occupied Badagri axis, why Aworis own Lagos island. Yorubas like Egba and others live in upland like Lagos mainland.

casualobserver:
Who says I am joking? It’s an inevitability. Everybody is a product of migration. You settle somewhere long enough and you become “from there”

Ibos did not originate from the place they call Ibo land today, ijebus are from Sudan, most Yorubas from are actually migrants from Ife, There are yoruba descendants in Warri and Bayelsa.

So what I stated is simply a matter of certainty. In a few generations Ibos will tell you about their roots and ancestors in yoruba land…..and they will be historically correct.

No joke, no tribal connotations just a certain effect of human migration that is inevitable.

Migration have ended in the world with technology innovation except what Fulani is doing in Benue by killing entire villages and taking over their land.

Igbos can never become indigenous to Yoruba land except if Yorubas do like Northern cities were they gave Igbo people outskirts area and call it Sabo Ngari, with time Igbos built up the area and become dominant in the area but yet it doesn’t make them indigenous, incase of Yorubas, Igbos are scattered in Yoruba cities with no concentration to a particular area like in the core North.

forgiveness:
Did not reach water wey oyinbo take boat enter Lagos from UK?

Meaning Ijaw has no land but lived on water, right.

So here we go with concrete evidence of Ijaw people being indigenous to Lagos, watch and learn;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfW7499XWXk

Kiokio Communities in Lagos near Ikorodu, other Ijaw communities are in Ajegunle. Read carefully.

Paraman:
Ijaws are not indigenous to Lagos. Unless you can prove it with evidence

So here we go with concrete evidence of Ijaw people being indigenous to Lagos, watch and learn;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfW7499XWXk

Villagesquare:
We are all one people. We are blacks, we are the first human on earth. We all have connection to the kemet of the time immemorial. Why the hate, why the division. Let's embrace each other and work towards the restoration of the dignity of the black race. We have the brain, we have the resources if we wish we can regain our long lost glory. Long time ago, the Greeks travel from far away to Ancient kemet to study. Today they have learnt from Us and with determination have surpassed Us and we are still here swimming in the ocean of tribalism.

Well said, but we still have to talk about tribes in Africa without using it for a fight or tribalism.

casualobserver:
Soon they will add Lagos, ogun Ondo, Ekiti and Oyo to the list of their states.

These research is a reality on ground not for a joke.

forgiveness:
Ijaw aren't indigenous to Lagos state. See the census conducted in 1891 in Lagos. Did you see one Ijaw in Lagos.

Maybe the census counters could not reach the waters because Ijaw people normally live ontop of water. I will show you evidence.

Paraman:
Ijaws are not indigenous to Lagos. Unless you can prove it with evidence

I will get back with evidence

exposition:
Thanks for the correction its just one community that borders Ebonyi state they largely speak igbo language due to trading activities and inter marriage and probably settlement of Igbo rice farmers in the area
They have their language which is endangered because of the huge influence and population of these trades

Can you explain more of their original language before it became influenced, let it not be another some of Ikwerre tales by the moonlight that they came from Bini, yet no single Bini language in Ikwerre but 100% intelligible with Igbo language.

kasim155:
You are not getting it right. The Yoruba tribe is large with many dialect. We have the Egba dialect, the Ijebu dialect, the Ilaje dialect, etc but we have the general Yoruba for easy communication. If an Egba person speaks his dialect, an Ijebu person might not understand it fully.
Again, if the Yoruba say the Egun and the Aworis are part of the Yoruba sub groups, and both the Aworis and Egun agree to it. Then they are part of the Yoruba. So if the Igbos say the Ikweres are Igbo, it is left for the Ikweres to decide that whether they Igbo or not. We should not force other to what we believe in or to be part of us. If they agree fine, if they did not agree, it is also fine too. I don't get involve with the Ikweres and Igbos stuff, both tribes can resolve it amicably.

What you will understand is that Igbos are not forcing Ikwerre people to be Igbo, the problem is that the language and names Ikwerre people speak and bear is the same with the rest of Igbos. So it is very difficult for them to say they are not Igbo. If Ikwerre language is like Egun language in Lagos which no Yoruba person understand it when spoken unless a Yoruba learn it then it will be easy for Ikwerres and nobody will be talking about it. There are other languages in Rivers that Igbo people can’t understand or hear like Ijaw, Eleme, Abua, Gokana, Tai, okrike, kalabari, Baan, Khana etc, no Igbo person have said that these languages are Igbo.