Pastor Kun:
Another very good example of preaching falsehood in the name of truth or half truth is the fraudulent modern day version of tithes being preached in most churches today. They arrived at it by taking biblical truth then twisting and manipulating it to suit an agenda and preaching it as the word of God.

@Ogoamaka
Evidently you are also extremely very guilty of what you are warning people about on this thread.

@ pastor kun,
Be aware that you people,s war against the truth will surely fail. The church is maching on and the gates of hell shall never never prevail. Truth is truth no matter who is against it nor for it.

In this life, who we are today is the result of our thoughts and actions yesterday and what will be tomorrow is the result of our present thoughts and actions. I keep warning people to be careful of their present actions so that they don’t look back tomorrow and regret their actions.
What we believe influences our actions either positively or negatively and that is why the BIBLE told us to consider our ways. When we believe the wrong things our actions could be wrong and it is very appalling to be wrong in our actions and yet claim to be right.
What could make one to wrong and yet claim to be right is when we believe falsehood in the NAME OF THE TRUTH. That is why I keep warning members of this forum to be careful of HALF TRUTH because HALF TRUTH is more dangerous than falsehood. This is because you are conscious when dealing with what you know as false. But falsehood clothed with the truth you end up swallowing the whole thing. Take for instance a post on the personality of JESUS in which the author claims that JESUS is our savior and died for our sins, and died to redeem us. This is true, YET IN ANOTHER THREAD THE SAME AUTHOR WROTE THAT JESUS DID NOT FULLY DIE. WHAT A CONTRADICTION BECAUSE IF JESUS DIDN’T FULLY DIE, HE CANT REDEEM US.
Be careful, the devil is very subtle as he will never give you the whole truth but half truth. He uses people he controls to post the truth and then falsehood or clothes falsehood with the truth. In this forum, the devil is out to war against the truth in every ramification. He does so by TRYING TO CORRUPT YOUR MIND AGAINST THE TRUTH or against the source of truth.
The BIBLE said that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of GOD. Your faith can never grow if you build it and you build your faith by listening to the word of faith. Who preaches the word of faith? Definitely the word of faith is preached by people called to preach the word THE MOG. What the devil does is to prevent you from listening to any pastor, BY PAINTING EVERY PASTOR BLACK, but that is their opinion.
The HOLY SPIRIT is our teacher and that is why the devil tries to corrupt your relationship and knowledge of the HOLY SPIRIT. YOU CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

A good understanding and relationship with the HOLY GHOST is the key factor to living a fruitful Christianity. One of the greatest falsehoods ever posted in this FORUM is the write up on the personality of the HOLY SPIRIT. First and foremost I want to point out that you can never be a Christian without the HOLY SPIRIT because it is the HOLY SPIRIT that convicts you in the first place. Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said to Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brothers, what shall we do?
1Corintians 12:3 Why I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Again no person can amount to anything in this kingdom or live the Christian LIFE fully without the HOLY SPIRIT. Even Jesus told the disciple not to leave Jerusalem until they receive the HOLY SPIRIT Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father on you: but tarry you in the city of Jerusalem, until you be endued with power from on high. Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, you have heard of me.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. This they did because they stayed in Jerusalem until the HOLY SPIRIT CAME in Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared to them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat on each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

WHO IS THIS HOLY SPIRIT?
As said earlier, one of the greatest lie ever told in this forum is the post captioned “34 reason why the HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT) is not a person. I am here to challenge that post by presenting to you what the BIBLE said about the HOLY SPIRIT and then allow you consider that post in the light of what the BIBLE said. First I want us to consider what JESUS SAID ABOUT THE HOLY GHOST (1) John 16:13 However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. A good look at this verse proves that the HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON. Look at the above verse again and see the wording-when “HE the SPIRIT of truth” is come, “HE will guide you into all truth”: “for HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF” but whatever HE shall, that shall HE speak: and HE will show you things to come.

A look at the above verse I will like to ask those saying that the HOLY GHOST is not a person whether it is proper to use the word “HE” and the word “HIMSELF” to address a non living thing. From what I know, you use “HE” TO ADDRESS A PERSON and “IT” TO ADDRESS A NON LIVING THINGS. To say that the HOLY SPIRIT is not a person IS TO QUESTION THE CREDIBILITY OF THE BIBLE TRANSLATORS for WRONG USE OF THE WORD “HE”, “HIMSELF” , and saying that a non living thing will guide , as well as saying that a non living thing shall SPEAK because a non living things DON’T SPEAK.

(2) Mathew 12:31 Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost has never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Luke 12:10 And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but to him that blasphemes against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. If the HOLY GHOST is not a person, how can JESUS talk about BLASPHEMY against the HOLY GHOST? You blaspheme a person and not thing.

(3) Mathew 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. It is folly if not foolish for JESUS to say that to speak against HIM can be forgiven while as to speak against a thing will not be forgiven if the HOLY GHOST is not a person.

(4) Mathew 28:19 Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. How could JESUS tell his disciple to go and baptize in the name of the FATHER, THE SON AND A THING. It is absurd for JESUS to equate the father with a thing if HOLY GHOST is not a person.

(5) Luke 12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall TEACH you in the same hour what you ought to say. In this verse JESUS talked about the holy ghost teaching the disciple what to say. Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what you shall speak, neither do you premeditate: but whatever shall be given you in that hour, that speak you: for it is not you that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

I want to ask, is it possible for a thing to teach something OR TO SPEAK THROUGH A PERSON? It is absurd to think so, it is only a person that has intellect as to reason and teach or speak through a person.

(6) John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you. Here Jesus called HOLY GHOST COMFORTER, it is absurd to call a non living thing comforter? Moreover a non living thing can not teach us all thing nor bring things to our remembrance.

(7) Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

OTHER THINGS SAID ABOUT THE HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT) THAT CLEARLY PROVE HIM A PERSON
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:9 Then Peter said to her, How is it that you have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried your husband are at the door, and shall carry you out. Here, in the word of PETER, can you LIE AGAINST A NON LIVING THING.? From what I know you can only lie to a person and not to a thing.

Acts 7:51 You stiff necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you.

Acts 8:29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, Go near, and join yourself to this chariot. Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. Here we are told that the SPIRIT SAID TO PHILIP. Where on earth does a non living thing SPEAK.

Acts 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Acts 13:4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed to Seleucia; and from there they sailed to Cyprus. Here we are told that they were sent forth by the HOLY GHOST, can a non living thing send forth people?

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay on you no greater burden than these necessary things; Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,

Acts 20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesses in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me. Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore to yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost has made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he has purchased with his own blood.

Acts 21:11 And when he was come to us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus said the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owns this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.

Acts 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed; after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spoke the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet to our fathers,

1Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


IN THE LIGHT OF THE ABOVE, ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT THE HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT) IS NOT A PERSON DOES NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE. AND ANYONE TO CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN BUT DOES NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN.

When someone looses his or her mind, he is bound to behave one kind and you know the person who has lost his mind by his reasoning and actions. if anyone knows the poster in person, he should help and hold him before he runs out naked in the street.

If you are a christian, you should strive to please the LORD. Anything that is not pleasing to GOD is SIN.

Boomark:

The article is a true live story of what is happening to many people today. I have my own share of it too. If you are in the category of 'O yes members' to the pastors you will not understand it.

Even if his articles are 99% copied, my dear i can't wait till he puts his own article together before i read what he has to say relating to the article above. You do Google search and read peoples articles. He does his and spread the info faster cos time no dey again. I read things am lazy to search on my own in this forum.

If you are to share peoples experiences or history, you wount tell us an abstract story from your own imagination. Even if you want to give a summary of it in your own words, you must get it from the original.

All the bible quotes you paste here and there are all copied. You are not the original author.

I smell envy here.

Bless you, no offence, we are in the forum to interact and not to quarrel even if we are having opposing views. That is what forum is meant to be.

saintvc: I am concerned about the whole issue of church leadership. Are all ministers qualified to be preach at the pulpit. What qualifies one to minister Gods word, elevated to point of pastorate or leadership in the church.

For other profesion,from enginers to doctors,you should pass some trainin to show u poses d skill necesary to be a licesd profesional.

How does this work for the pastor? How is he certified a pastor? Any qualification?

Point of correction, pastoring is not a profession but a calling. High level of abuse in the pulpit is as a result of people who are not called to be a pastors who are pastoring.

@ frosbel,
I mean no offence nor intention to slander your charater wrongly. So don't take it personal, however you will agree with me that more than 85% of the articles credited to your name are copied. Sit down and construct articles if you have knowldge of what you are saying. I strongly believe that when your eyes are opened you will realize all the falsehood you are posting.

pastormustwacc:

What is evil before God? What is Sin before God? What is Iniquity before God?

*Clears my throat* ahem, well, i am not God! You are asking the wrong guy!!

It seems you are a small boy. I am asking you BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT IT IS NOT A SIN SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT A SIN IS?

Logicboy03:


So you are one of the tithe preachers?

I suggest, the best solution to your bitterness against the truth about tithing is to tear any potion of the bible that talked about tithe such as the book of malachi.

@frosbel,
It is only your opinion and nothing else. Truth will remain the truth no matter how had you fight it. Biblical truth was there before you were born and will remain till you leave this world.

@pastormustwac,
To enable us to determine whether it is sin or not, kindly define or explain WHAT SIN IS. That is what is SIN before GOD?

GOD DEMAND FOR YOUR HEART BEFORE RESOURCES IN YOUR HAND. GOD IS NOT A BEGGAR, SO WHAT HE DEMAND FROM YOU IS TO PROVE WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART.THE ONLY WAY TO RECEIVE IS TO OPEN YOUR HANDS AS A TIGHT FISTED HANDS ALWAYS GO HUNGRY.

Logicboy03:



It is your own God that is a fool. He said that the moon is a light.


<< Genesis 1:16 >>

New International Version (©1984)
God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

@ logicboy,
it seems you have problem with your reasoning that you can't know the difference between day and night?. I perceive that you do greet people "GOOD MORNING" when moon is shinning?

yaksh: cn u imagin at d place of worship, dats y we said dey nid 2 go bck 2 book n read it wel

@ yakash,
PLEASE THIS IS A FORUM, MIND YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT WRITING SMS TO SOMEONE WITH YOUR PHONE. SO STOP USING SMS LANGUAGE IN POSTING FOR PEOPLE TO READ AS NOBODY CHARGES YOU NO MATTER THE LENGTH OF YOUR POST.

I thank GOD for our arguments, that shows our differences and that is our personal opinion.

@ kokolet,
Sorry i called you bro as i didn't look well and mistook you for a brother. Nobody is condemning that post nor frosbel but what is WRONG IS CLAIMING ANOTHER PERSONS ARTICLE and that is what frosbel is fond of doing. He is not the original author of that article. Anyone who is not informed may take frosbel to be a good writer while as he copies other peoples posts from other web cite.

My dear advocate,
Thank the ALMIGHTY GOD that this your opinion, a FOOL'S opinion are always right. A fool may come up and call moon lite morning and may write volumes to defend that it is morning not minding the time of the night. You know a fool by the way he or she reasons.

kokolet007: Bro frosbel u are doing well nd I pray that God wil continue to make the light get brighter in your life and strengthened U IJN ....bt I have a question. Apart frm nairaland and odas site are u telling ur neighbors nd friends around u that don't have asset to internet about the Gospel

Bro Kokoket007, so bro frosbel is doing well by posting for us articles from other web cites. frosbel is not the original author of this article but Angela More of 21st Century Reformation where he copied the article from.

chukwudi44: Every christian should attend church services every sunday.As a catholic I know the church teaches that sunday mass is compulsory.one more thing every baptised xtian is born again and one can't become a xtian until you are baptised so I think the phrase born 'again xtian' is an improper phrase since all xtians are indeed born again.

@ chukwudi44,
Sorry chukwudi you don't know what it means to be born again. To be Baptized is not is not born again but a religious ritual.

My dear Ihedinobi, our different views in this thread is a result of our differences in opinion. You said that you agree with Italo and that is your opinion because another person may choose to disagree with italo.
Take for instance your illustration about red color, every body may see that the color is red but I may come and say that the color is gray and that is my opinion. I said that the color is gray not that it is gray but I perceived it to be gray. Another person may come and view the color differently.
Anyone who is seeing the color differently other than RED is expressing opinion and that is why I say that no matter how we view things is our personal opinion.

solidbroda: winners chapel Ota. The head quarter itself. Iv worshiped there every now and then, iv been to the school every now and then...

@solidbroda, thank you for the information. The information will surely unravel a lot of thingS. To this end, you should mention or describe where we can see the symbols when we come to winners chapel ota so that we can verify it.

italo:

Should we take it that you don't know who has the authority to judge who is interpreting the Bible correctly and who is doing it wrong?

ITALO, you are still confusing issue about opinion. The choice you make in every thing not only religious matters are determined by your opinion. That is why what you choose, others may reject. And your choice is good or bad depending on your perception.

In christian community for instance, there are many pastors that ministers to hundreds of thousand every week. These people held these MOG in high esteem while in this forum few elements sees these men of GOD differently. The way you take a MOG is determined by the opinion you have about that MOG.

Our problem in this forum is that the opinion we have on any issue we tend to ENFORCE IT ON OTHERS.Anyone who sees it differently we take the person as not knowing any thing. I am saying that we should respect individual opinion.

Zodiac61: The man is a pastor, one of the Masters of Deception.
What exactly is a man of god, and how does one differ from us mere mortals?

Pastor Kun: Ashimolowo a money loving commercial preacher is prominent amongst those giving the church a bad name today.

pastorkun, i am not surprised about your outburst against every pastor because you are just living up to your name.THE FULL MEANING OF PASTORKUN IS ANTI PASTOR THAT IS WHY HE OPPOSES EVERY PASTOR.

It seems that truthislight is still confused about opinion. I still repeat it, your interpretation of the BIBLE is based on personal opinion and the reason why there are differences in interpretation of the BIBLE is as a result of differences in opinion. I am still saying that your opinion are determined by YOUR FAITH, YOUR LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING, ETC . Look at what happened in Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; so that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, If you, being a Jew, live after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compel you the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Here Paul had confrontation with Peter over a doctrinal issue. This was so because PETER AND PAUL had differences over that issue.

When will members of this forum stand up for the true.? I said this because WINNERS CHAPEL are every where, SO WE NEED TO KNOW FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS THREAD which of the winners chapel branches has any of the above SIGNS TO ENABLE US VERIFY THE TRUTH.

Coming to the issue of tithe and other BIBLE truth, frosbel and pastorku in particular, are always ready to fight any one who dare differ in their opinion especially those that accept tithe payment. That majority are writing against tithe does not make tithe payment false. In the issue of BIBLE truth, let GOD be true and all men lair Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

frosbel: Which is why we reject the majority opinion of the Tithe and Trinity doctrines.

Truth of the Bible is not doctrine, rather it is you that is dishing out false doctrine. For record purposes who are the "WE" in your above statement? IE you said "which is why we reject". All you are saying are nothing but your opinion and nothing else and i need to point out that your opinion does not count when it come to BIBLE truth.

chiedu7: Bishop Oyedepo is more diabolical than many can tell.

He is a freemason.

KUDOS to the guy that started this thread

When someone is possessed he or she can say anything. FOR THAT REASON I DON'T BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT SAY WHAT THEY SAY IN THIS FORUM BUT I PITY THEM, PRAYING THAT GOD WILL HAVE MERCY ON THEIR SOUL.

italo:

But there are people who say they operate by Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition and it is scriptural to do so. They even quote scripture to back their position. You say you go by Scripture alone and it is scriptural to do so. You also quote scripture to back your position. Who then has the authority to judge who is right between you and them? Should we just accept that they corrupted the truth because frosbel said so? Even though they also think you are corrupting the truth.



Others will disagree. They will say scripture supports them. They have their opinion; you have yours. What about God's opinion. Who can we trust to tell us?



But each man's understanding of what is the truth of scripture is based on his own reasoning. Who, among men then, has the authority to define God's opinion of truth?

IF WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THINGS WILL BE BETTER. But our problem is that we take our opinion to be the best, the only correct opinion. We sees any opinion that differ from ours as dunce. Let respect one anthers opinion

I forgot to say that SELF DECEPTION IS WORSE.

Sorry, i had been away and left my laptop behind. Pastorku, you don't know the meaning of tithe. If you do, nobody will tell you to pay or not to pay. Nevertheless i advice you TO FIRST GIVE YOUR HEART TO GOD and you will not refuse other obligations.