The greatest deceit is self deception. Another is to claim that you are deceived into doing what you did or what you are doing. To say you are deceived where is your sense of reasoning and judgment? I wish to share with you a real live story. A friend of mine came back from America to get married to a new wife. After the marriage he observed that he was vomiting blood- he had been poisoned. I suggested that he visit TBJ that I believe that he will vomit the poison. When his elder brother heard of the arrangement to visit TBJ he opposed the visit because according to him he said that TBJ is a false prophet. He called a meeting informing the audience that if the wife of his younger brother goes to TBJ and if anything happens to his brother that the wife of his brother is responsible.

Two weeks later the young man died and after the burial the elder brother observed that he started vomiting blood as well. That is to say he got poisoned. Do you know that he rushed to TBJ and Emmanuel TV showed where he was vomiting the poisonous substance? When he came back the wife of his late brother called a meeting. And in the meeting she accused the elder brother of her late husband of been responsible for the death of her husband. That the man refuted the allegation saying that he was deceived about TBJ.

The man was forgiven after he proved with tears that he was deceived. Do you know that the deception of that man caused the death of his younger brother? Now there are many whose destiny has been destroyed by deception of others. There are MOG who GOD has positioned to transform your life which by reason of the saying of the sons of belial and perdition you fail to have encounter with them. If you are deceived by reason of what others are saying where is your sense of judgment and reasoning? Don’t say like that man that you are deceived.

@poster,
What sort of question is this? Mind you that GOD'S rating is not man's rating. Each of the men you mentioned has different assignment. So as long as they are performing their assignment it is not who is rated high by men that is important.

noetic16:

Yes . . . and morover, the scriptures also assert that "By their fruit you shall know them" Mat 7:16
The fruits of the above names runs parallel to the fruits that Christ sowed.

Please kindly itemize the fruits these MOG bears that runs parallel to the fruits that Christ sowed.

noetic16:

did God ever tell u personally that any of these guys are His field marshall?
of a truth . . , their works does not testify of Christ . . . . , neither does Christ testify of them. So how did u come to the conclusion that these fraudsters are of God?

Did GOD personally tell you that these men are fraudsters? Please tell us.

DON'T divert the thread. Forget about whether Ogoamaka has a brain or not and let us focus on the issue. Sons of belial are fonds of calling names rather than tackling the issue.

Don't divert the thread .An issue was raised so let us base our argument on the subject.

In one of the thread, I asked the sons of Belial, if pastor Chris is a criminal, a fraud, or a charlatan as they said, why are people trooping and paying money to enter stadium where he is to hold night of bliss. Why are people paying money to enter the auditorium where Pastor Chris is to hold the crossover night?

The answer, one of the sons of Belial and perdition gave was that people are paying money to enter stadium to go and listen to pastor Chris entertain them. I ask again members of this forum “Is Pastor Chris an entertainer?” If he is an entertainer, what kind of entertainment is he giving the people that they are paying money to enter stadium? If he is not an entertainer what are people paying money to enter stadium to listen him if he is a fraud, a charlatan or criminal?  Knowing fully well that people don’t celebrate criminal, a fraud or a charlatan. People don’t pay money simply to go and listen to a criminal. I wait for the answer.

crossman9:

does anyone read what i posted they are not all scammers but they have all been scammed ill provied you with proof if you like
pastor chris is fooling them all

Pastor CHRIS must be an evil genius to fool all the members of CEC. What do yo say?

In this forum the sons of benial and perdition in their words had been referring to some men of GOD as charlatans, 419, criminal, fraud, evil etc. Howerever,tens of thousand are following these men of GOD testifying of the impact their ministries had on them.
So who should we believe their report-the testimonies of these people or the words of the sons of benial and perdition in NL forum?

The sons of benial and perditions, because of their spiritual blindness- their heart been darkened as a result of spiritual ignorance. Because they could not reason well that is why they are confused and goes about to confuse others.
In almost all their thread these sons of benial and perdition are antagonistic against pastor Chris, bishop Oyedepo, pastor Mathew Ashimolowo- calling them names. By their judgment they refer to these men of GOD as fraud, criminal and 419 etc
. It is been said that KICC is the largest single congregation in the whole of Europe and KICC is been pastored by Mathew Ashimolowo, CEC of pastor Chris is said to be the largest church in South Africa, while Winners chapel of bishop Oyedepo is said to be the largest church in Nigeria. My people, if these men of GOD are evil, then they MUST BE EVIL GENIUS INDEED. So judge yourself members .

@poster,
   It is a high time people begin to reason well. Everybody is free to say anything about the BIBLE. But the question is "the writer who is he or she? What made him/her a BIBLE scholar?  The new testament the person is referring to, is it that of the BIBLE ?"
   A satanism may claim to be BIBLE SCHOLAR, so first ascertain the identity of the author and the truth of what the author is saying.

@POSTER,
Are you a BON BOY to caption such a thread. I am not a member of CEC but to caption a thread that CEC members are scammers and Rogues is a big word. Do you realize that CEC is a world WIDE church movement? By the way do you belong to ANY CHURCH? If so which church do you attend? Be bold to tell us.

@poster,
Your problem is that you lack understanding of the BIBLE. Because you don't know GOD nor the personality of the HOLY GHOST. Assuming that you know GOD and baptised with the HOLY GHOST some of the things you babble in this thread will not be so.
My prayer for you is that you have a touch and a personal experience of the fire of the HOLY GHOST as manifested in the ministry of Benny Hinn. When you have the experience you will be able to answer the question whether the fire is from GOD or not.
I believe that you are mature and not like nuclear BON BOY and his crude and childish reasoning. Experience they say is the best teacher. Experience the fire of the HOLY GHOST and you will have story to tell there after.,

@poster,
 You know  i don't like replying to your posts because you are confused and that is why you go about deceiving others.
 With due respect, members of this forum will appreciate your telling us what you know about TBJ and Pastor Chris of CEC. This is necessary because i doubt if you know any of them. I mean what you know about them and not what you have read about them. Have you ever worshipped in any of their churches?

To answer the question, it is necessary to know what she is using condom for? To carry condom around do suggest two main things- first that she is available and secondly that she is for sale and can be bought any time, any where.

I expected direct answers to the issues raised but unfortunately all these sons of perdition keep running round with irrelevances thinking that they will count. Any way i don't blame them because the BIBLE do described them in Ephesians. Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Because they are walking in the vanity of their mind and having their understanding darkened. They are alienated from the life of GOD through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.
From every indication they are possessed with the spirit of error, no wonder they are dishing out these fallacies. May GOD have mercy on them.

@mrBible,
It is unfortunate or rather pathetic that someone who claims to be mrBible is spiritually ignorant of the Bible. For your information the BIBLE is a Spiritual book and takes the Spirit of GOD to understand and interpret it. So i advice you to stop messing around quoting verses of the BIBLE you don't even understand the meaning. Remember 2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Be careful the BIBLE is two edged sword which if you mishandle it can slaughter you.

@nuclear the BOY,
Do you know the reason why i don't reply your posts is because you are crude in your reasoning. This goes to prove that you are still a small boy as you are called. By the way how has your sentiment to do with the facts presented.My dear the issue at stake is proving a point of the integrity of the men in question not because you like or hate them. That you don't like these men does not make them fraud or criminal. So you and your cohorts still need to come out with more tangible answers to the facts presented, sentiments apart.

I decided to put up this topic to enable members of this Forum to rub minds together i.e. to reason together over the issue of some men of GOD that are branded 419, criminals, frauds, devilish etc. These are the very words uncle kunleoshob, nuclear the BOY, loveking and latest Earwide uses to describe some men of GOD like Bishop Oyedepo of winners chapel, pastor Chris of Christ Embassy, pastor E.A. Adeboye of Redeemed Christian church of GOD, pastor Mathew Ashimolowo of KICC UK. T[b]hese are pastors from Nigeria, and since in the eyes of the world some Nigerians are 419, fraudsters, criminals etc. Are these men in question really men of GOD or are they as described by kunle the anti tithe and co?[/b]

If these men are fraudsters, criminals and 419, how do the society threat people considered to be anti social elements as criminals, 419, and fraudsters? I am sure societies do avoid such people and don’t like dealings with such people? If that is the case how come that these men of GOD boast of large follower ships in this country??. Please I desire an answer.

Moreover, how come  that foreigners are spending their money and time paying for flights to come and see these men of GOD and to worship in their churches instead of avoiding them? Please I desire an answer.

Last year December/new-year eve i.e. cross over night Christ Embassy charged gate fee to control crowd that surged to go inside where Pastor Chris was to minister. Do society pay money as gate fee to go and listen to the preaching of a 419, a criminal pastor or a pastor that is considered a fraudster?. Please I desire an answer.

Sometimes last year pastor Chris held a night of bliss in London. Before 6.00pm the stadium was filled to capacity of a program that started by 9.00pm even though gate fees were charged. I wish to know, are these white men/women from London who paid gate fees to enter the stadium to listen to pastor Chris fools, or are they equally brainwashed as these sons of belial and perdition made us to believe, that Nigerians are brainwashed for crowding churches pa stored by these men of GOD?. Please I desire an answer.

Again this year a night of bliss was held in South Africa. Gate fees were charged .The stadium was filled to capacity with many people who wished to pay for ticket not able to enter the stadium. Does the South Africans equally fools and brain washed as to pay money to go and listen to the preaching to a man considered to be a fraudsters, 419 and criminal?. Please I desire an answer.

Sometimes ago, Pastor E.A. Adeboye held a convention in far away America at Madison Square. The square was filled to capacity by the Americans. Are the Americans equally fools to fill the square to listen to the preaching of a man of GOD considered to be false or 419 or criminal etc?. Please I desire an answer.

Back home you need to consider this logically-if these men of GOD are false, or 419, or criminals and fraudsters as Kunle and co. why are people trooping to worship GOD in their churches?. I desire an answer. Why are foreigners paying flight tickets to come and worship GOD in their churches?
Why are people paying gate fees to go inside the stadium or auditorium to go and listen to such men of GOD? Why are the who is who in the society prefer to worship GOD in their churches instead of avoiding these men of GOD. I said this because if you take a tripe to winners’ chapel in any part of this country as well as RCCG or CEC you will observe that one major problem they have in common is car park, controlling the numerous expensive cars of their members coming to worship GOD in their churches,  You will agree with me that it is not poor men/women that are riding such expensive cars. Definitely it is an irony for such a thing to happen i.e. for these men/women of high repute in the society to crowd such men of GOD rather than avoiding them. Please prove me wrong!

Again consider this-Winners chapel which Oyedepo is the presiding Bishop/president built in this country the largest auditorium in the world today, winners chapel is the largest Pentecostal church in Nigeria with branches in all the states in Nigeria and outside the country. The church to date has built two functional universities in this country, all the two universities all started in their permanent site. Their first university has all their courses accredited by the NUC. Prove me wrong! The church has three private jets.

There is really  need for these sons of belial and perdition to itemize one by one how these men of GOD are fake, fraud, 419, or criminal etc. It is not enough to wake up and said that they are criminals, or fraud or 419 without supportive arguments. If they can help prove these assertions, I believe many people will stop celebrating these men. People will stop crowding the churches where they pastor as people will start avoiding them and their churches. Earwide said that they are charlatans and that he rose to flush them out of pulpit. Believe you me if Earwide and his group can show us one single proof of these their assertions i.e. that these men of GOD are 419, fraud or criminal then the whole wide world will hear it. I challenge them to do that.

Finally, these men of GOD in question do hold United Nation travel documents which permits or grants them entry into any country without visa requirement. I wish them to prove me wrong, that UN can grant such documents to criminals or a 419 or a fraudsters etc. These are men of GOD who governors and even presidents of nations are seeking and requesting to have audience with. Such calibers of people in the society don’t request to have audience and prayers from a criminal pastors or fraud or 419 ! but rather do avoid such men. Prove me wrong.

aletheia:


Point made.

@aletheia,

With due respect i doubt if you know the full meaning of charlatan.

Joagbaje:

@ogoamaka

Pls try as much as possible to introduce paragraphs to your long epistles.

@Joeagbaje.
Joe, i appreciate you for your correction.

chukwudi44:

@ogoamaka
what really qualifies a man 2 be called a MOG ,is it merely presiding over large congregations or their conduct? I believe we should go by d later.Most of these men especially ashimolowo are certified fraudsters merely playing on the gullibility of their members.Ashimolowo's sermons are always about money haba!!

@Chukwudi44,
Permit me to reply you and to answer your question. What qualifies a man to be called A MOG is not even the two issues you mentioned as presiding over a large con greation does not alone make a MOG. As you can see i will answer your question in full in a new thread to enable greater majority to view. Reason been that not everybody care to read the replies some post after reading the original posts by the author. So watch out for the reply to your question.

I don't like replying to some of the issues some raise in some of the thread because they do not make sense as to warrant a reply.Moreover my motivating factor in all my postings is not to argue with the sons of belial and sons of perdition in this forum, but to provide raw truth for the greater majority that visit the forum. My happiness is not on what the enemies of truth do say or post as reply but on the NUMBER of people who view the thread. There are many who visit the forum without replying to any of the thread. Some are members and some are not.
It is unfortunate that moderators of this forum has allowed the forum to degenerate into all comers affairs, a forum that ought and meant to be for discussions, but few have turned it into an arena of character assassinations and abuse. I still wonder if this information still hold-"This forum is moderated, so please read the rules before posting".

GOD in His infinite plan and purpose has packaged a glorious destiny for HIS people. However many live and die without fulfilling and realizing their GOD’S ordained plan and purpose for their life .They die without realizing or fulfilling their destiny in life. Others die without fulfilling their destiny because they used their own hand to destroy their own destiny while others die as a result of ignorance. Psalms 82:5-7 "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

Oh! When people who ought to understand fail to understand, they walk on in darkness. This is exactly what is happening to many people in this forum. Because they lack the understanding of GOD’S word due to their spiritual blindness and that is why they are misbehaving the way they do.
Others fail to fulfill their destiny in life because they destroy their own life and destiny by themselves. They do so by their words and action. When a man sells his soul to the devil and goes ahead to serve the devil and promote the kingdom of darkness, he ends up destroying his life and destiny.
Others did not sale their soul to the devil but by their actions and relationship are partnering with the kingdom of darkness unknowingly. See what Jesus said in Mathew12:30-32 "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
When a man by his actions and operations are doing things that are promoting the kingdom of darkness rather than the kingdom of GOD, destroys his life and destiny. By your actions and postings in this forum are you promoting the kingdom of GOD or kingdom of satan? That is, are you for GOD or for satan. When you partner with the kingdom of darkness you end up destroying your life and destiny. There are many in this forum that has sold their soul to the devil and many also partnering with the kingdom of darkness by their actions thereby destroying their lives and destinies.

And one way to silently destroy your life and destiny is to mock and abuse an anointed man of GOD. Also when you falsely accuse a man of GOD or lie against a man of GOD you end up destroying yourself.  I know that the sons of belial and sons of perdition will surely react violently on what I am saying but truth must be told.

(1)Remember the captains of fifty and their fifties were consumed when they went to arrest the prophet Elijah, 2Kings 1:9-12 "Then the king sent unto him a captain of fifty with his fifty. And he went up to him: and, behold, he sat on the top of an hill. And he spake unto him, Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down.
And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly. And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

(2) In Numbers 12 verses 1-10 Miriam got an unbar gained leprosy because she opened her mouth wide to speak against Moses. “And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. And they said, Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it.(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. And the Lord came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed. And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

(3) Gehazi  got leprosy because he lied to the man of GOD prophet Elisha 2Kings 5:25-27 “ But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither. And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants? The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.”

(4) Also in Numbers chapters 16 verses 1-35 Korah and entire members of his families got destroyed because Korah opened his mouth wide against Moses." And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the Lord hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the Lord hath not sent me. But if the Lord make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the Lord.
And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

(5) Again 42 children lost their lives to a she bear because they were mocking the man of GOD prophet Elisha who in his anger cursed them2Kings 2:23-24 "And he went up from thence unto Beth–el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

(6)In 2Chr 26:19-21 "Then Uzziah was wroth, and had a censer in his hand to burn incense: and while he was wroth with the priests, the leprosy even rose up in his forehead before the priests in the house of the Lord, from beside the incense altar. And Azariah the chief priest, and all the priests, looked upon him, and, behold, he was leprous in his forehead, and they thrust him out from thence; yea, himself hasted also to go out, because the Lord had smitten him.
And Uzziah the king was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house, being a leper; for he was cut off from the house of the Lord: and Jotham his son was over the king's house, judging the people of the land.

(7) Look at 2Chr 36:16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against his people, till there was no remedy.
All these goes to confirm that it is very dangerous to mock, despise or abuse MOG because doing so may attract the wrath of GOD upon us and as well destroy our life and destiny.

What! Does it mean we have no right to criticize a man of GOD? No we have every right to criticize a MOG if he is doing wrong but we should do so with respect without abusing the MOG in question. But what is going on in this forum is not criticism but flagrant abuse of MOG by a group of demonized elements. This word may be raw but that is the raw truth because they have no conscience at all having sold their souls to the devil. You see these sons of perdition in action having formed a confederacy in this forum with the mission all targeted against MOG. One of them said that he was raised to expose charlatans referring to great and anointed men of GOD like Oyedepo, pastor Chris, pastor E.A. Adeboye, pastor Mathew Ashimolowo etc. Oh! What a folly guy, by his level of education and understanding he seems not to understand the meaning of charlatan in the first place. I leave it for you to judge.

@Earswide,
I don't need to reply you.Doing so is just like arguing with a mad man on the street. May GOD have mercy on your poor soul.

Are you a child of GOD or a son of perdition? If you are a son of perdition, pity you because without doubt the only thing that awaits the sons of perdition is the wrath of GOD. However, if you are not a son of perdition then this thread is for you. And this is to warn you to be very careful and conscious of your relationships with the sons of perdition. This warning becomes necessary before GOD sees you as partnering with the kingdom of darkness,partnering with the sons of perdition.When you partner with the sons of perdition you share in their lot.
Some time ago I wrote a thread in which I was trying to point out that many are in this forum to war against the truth, to distort the Biblical truth just to ensure that people don’t get to know the truth. Many didn’t take me serious then, but now is beginning to see the truth.
In this forum today, there abound many sons of perdition. They have sold their soul to the devil, whose conscience are sealed with hot iron. The Bible calls them sons of perdition. Having sold their souls to the devil, the devil is therefore controlling their minds and actions. Sometime ago one of them posted a thread of his desire to be the antichrist. He equally posted another thread in which he was sharing with other small boys like himself how to satisfy their sexual desire before marriage through masturbation.
Another son of perdition said that he was raised since 2011 to expose charlatans. And who are the charlatans? According to the guy, the people he is referring to as charlatans are but GOD’S Field marshals in the Gospel. Men of GOD like Benny HINN, Bishop Oyedepo, Pastor Chris, Pastor E.A. Adeboye, pastor Mathew Ashimolowo etc.
What an irony that small boy and dropout like himself could open his mouth wide like that to abuse these great men of GOD. He even went further to call these Men of GOD 419.One major attribute of these sons of perdition are there flagrant abuse of MOG. My concern is not what these sons of perdition are saying but my concern is on you who ought to understand that these guys have lost their mind and that they are under the influence of the devil. It is someone under the control of the devil that can open his/her mouth wide to call these great men of GOD 419, criminal, thief, rouge, devil etc. You who don’t realize the angle they are coming from and join them to make unguided and false statement against these men of GOD. Be careful and conscious of what you say against any MOG. Allow these sons of perdition to continue in their abuse of Men of GOD. Sooner than you think GOD will rise and when that happens they will be silenced. And many have been silenced permanently. I pray that it is not you. 1Timothy 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. Again 2John 1:10 " If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
Eccl 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. A word is enough for the wise.

BENEFITS OF TITHING
Truth is truth no matter who is for it or against it. And you can do nothing against the truth but for the truth. Are you a tither? Are you enjoying the fullness of GOD’S blessing for your action? If not this thread is for you.
There are many great blessings GOD has packaged for true tithers in the Bible. Malachi 3 verses 10 - 12 “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delight some land, saith the Lord of hosts.” Every true and faithful tither in the kingdom has proof to show. So if you are obedient in tithing but have no testimony to show for your action then I advice you to stop paying, stop wasting your resources in the name of paying tithe, there is something wrong somewhere. Until you get it right you can never enjoy the fullness of GOD’S benefits for your obedience. Some are tithing but there is nothing to show for their action. There is no testimony to show and that is why this thread is for you if you are involved. Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?” GOD s not a liar and had never made any promises HE never fulfilled in the scripture. He promised that HE will open to you the windows of heaven and pour you a blessing. Secondly HE promised to rebuke the devourer for your sake. So if the above is not a reality in your life and yet you are a tither then check it, there is something wrong some where. True tither has proof to show for their action (evidence to show) for their action. That is why they don’t listen to the garbage the sons of perdition opposing tithe are saying in this forum about tithing.
So if you are tithing but are not enjoying the fullness of GOD’S blessings then the following check is recommended for you1) First you should ask yourself whether you’re HEART IS RIGHT WITH GOD? Until your heart is right with GOD your tithe will never be acceptable before GOD even though it may be acceptable before your pastor. GOD is not obliged to fulfill HIS promise to you if your heart is not right with HIM. Your heart must first be acceptable before GOD before your tithe is acceptable before HIM.
(2) Second check, you should ask yourself “Is the tithe you are paying acceptable before GOD?” Cain and Abel offered sacrifice to GOD in Genesis 4 vs. 1 to 7. GOD accepted the offering of Abel but rejected that of Cain. Your tithe must first be acceptable before GOD before HE blesses you in return. It is unfortunate that many are paying tithe to impress their pastor and their tithe acceptable before their pastor but not to GOD. As a word of advice, you should never pay your tithe just to impress your pastor. Moreover, before your tithe is acceptable before GOD it must come from a pure and clean heart (hand). If your hand is not clean then your tithe will not be clean. Some think that GOD will justify them if they pay tithe from ill gotten or stolen money.
If your heart is not right with GOD, your tithe will never be right with GOD. Secondly, if the source of income you are paying tithe from is not right, the tithe you paid will never be right and acceptable before GOD even though it may have been acceptable before your pastor. I said this because many pastor are sharing in the iniquities of their members by closing their eyes on the evil their members are committing simply because they are paying fat offering and tithe from that loot.
(3)The next check-“Did you pay the tithe correctly? You see tithe is not just any amount. It must be 10% of your income. Once it is not up to 10% you have rendered what you paid invalid. Many are playing trick on GOD thinking they will get away with it. Please hear me well NOBODY SHOULD COMPEL YOU TO PAY TITHE IF YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED TO PAY. YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR MONEY. However, if you are convinced in paying tithe then ensure that you pay it correctly if you are to enjoy the full benefit that goes with your action. Remember that partial obedience is no obedience. Rather than paying one naira short of my tithe, I rather add ten naira above my tithe. It is better to add above than to pay short of the correct amount because any thing short renders the amount paid invalid.
In closing, I wish to summarize all that I have been saying; for you to enjoy or reap the full benefit of tithing the following must be in place.
(1)First before you start to be a tither, you must enter into covenant relationship with GOD i.e. you must first be a child of GOD. You must first be born again.
(2) Secondly you must pay your tithe with a clean hand (heart)-correct heart acceptable before GOD.
(3) Thirdly you must ensure that the tithe you are paying is acceptable before GOD by ensuring that your heart is acceptable before GOD. In addition ensure that the income you are tithing is clean and acceptable before GOD.
(4) Finally, you must ensure that you are paying the tithe correctly. That is, ensure that you are paying the correct amount. Any thing short of these may result in you not reaping the full benefits of your tithing.
NOTE: Please note that this thread is not about whether to pay or not to pay tithe. By now you should have been convinced or otherwise of whether it is your covenant obligation to pay tithe or not. If you are not convinced about paying tithe I advice that nobody should compel or force you to be paying tithe. You should change the church that FORCES you to tithe. Tithing is a covenant obligation that must be obeyed from the dept of our heart and not forced upon. If one is forced to pay tithe the person will never reap the benefits of tithing even though the church may have collected his/her money and used.
From my observation people’s action and obedience to issue of tithing is based on one’s level of understanding and relationship with GOD. The person who lack understanding about tithe should be thought but not forced. That is why you see some churches; members are paying their tithe happily while you see other churches members are struggling to pay their tithe because they lack the understanding. For instance I remember some years past when I got married to my wife, because of her church background she was not convinced about tithe. It was latter on that she got the understanding. It was then that she had no problem paying her tithe willingly. So don’t force yourself in paying tithe, rather seek a solid understanding about tithe and you will never have any problem paying tithe from that day. It is your lack of scriptural and spiritual understanding that made you to be arguing whether it is right to pay tithe or not.

@Earswide,
    The singular reason you are still posting trash in this forum is because G OD's vengeance has not come upon you. Watch it because sooner GOD'S vengeance will come upon you. Sooner they will look for your thread and they will not see them any more.
   As for curses nobody do need a prophet to tell that you are already operating under terrible curses. You need deliverance.

@kunleoshob,
I clap for you.

@kunle & earwide,

I don't need to reply you because you have not said anything. Moreover replying you means coming down to your level of rotten and decayed brain. If say you do reason well i would have engaged two of you in a discussion but your brains are rotten and decayed.

My good friend Kunle in some of his posts do refer to the multitudes that attend CEC, Winners, RCCG and KICC etc that they are brain “washed”. In actual sense he is correct- their brains are actually “washed”. I am glad to equally declare that my brain is “washed”. It is because our brains are “washed” that made us to think right, straight and correctly. Yes our brains are washed by the water of the word of GOD, by the Spirit of GOD and by the blood of JESUS. And it is far better that your brain is washed than that your brain is ROTTEN AND DECAYED. A washed brain is far better than a decayed and rotten brain.
When your brain is washed you will begin to think and reason correctly compared to a rotten and decayed brain. A rotten brain misbehaves and can’t reason correctly. That is why a PhD holder or even a professor can be found to be having affairs with his house help. It is a sign of decayed and rotten brain. It is evidence and sign of decayed and rotten brain that makes a man to sleep with his daughter. It is a sign of decayed and rotten brain that makes a man be found sleeping with a mad woman just to make money. A rotten and decayed brain cannot think straight, reason well and correctly.
Moreover it is a sign of decayed and rotten brain that makes a mere man to look at an anointed man of GOD and call him a thief and criminal. It is a sign of decayed and rotten brain that makes a mere man call a MOG 419. In other words you will notice that in this forum there are lots of folks whose brains are so rotten and decayed. Because their brains are so rotten and decayed, they cannot reason well and correctly. Are you one of them or is your brain washed by the word and Spirit of GOD? GET YOUR BRAIN WASHED BY THE WORD AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD so that you can begin to reason well and correctly. It is obvious that pastors Chris, E.A. Adeboye, and Oyedepo ETC are succeeding today because GOD is using their teaching to “wash” the brain s of people whose brains are once rotten and decayed. Real success in life starts when your brain is washed by the word and Spirit of GOD.

By this new addition of private jet, i hope some members of this forum will not start shading tears of blood or run mad seeing this happen?