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The whole of southern Nigeria from Cotonou Border to Bakassi up to the Savannah belongs to Ijaw.

Those who don't like it can jump inside river Niger or find the nearest transformer  


[size=5pt]I don apply to join the Ijo clan [/size]

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=760170.msg9154405#msg9154405 date=1316108032]every giant can fall when they face the right opponent

bini fell to the british

yoruba empire fell to the fulani, then british

roman empire fell to the babarians

hausa kingdoms fell to the fulani

nupe fell to the fulani

igala fell to the fulani

greek fell to the presians or so

etc so bini/yoruba can as well fall for the ijaw expansion again. Nothing wrong in that as long as they can handle it

History has nothing to do with modern day warfare[/quote]You read parts of history well but failed to grasp the present.

Nigeria already fell to the Ijaws, that is history, now when will the Ijaws fall? <--That is the question

By the way, you failed to mention who the Kanuris fell to

I hope Ijaws won't wake a sleeping giant they can't deal with. Benin's can be brutal and daring when they want. Their long history confirms it.

I don't believe there are more pure ijaws than Benin's. Although I see no reason for fighting. True federalism and private ownership of land will solve most of these issues.

But I must commend the ability of the Ijaws to form themselves into a loose confederacy of different "tribes" all under one Ijaw umblerra. They've achieved so much notorierity and political/militant bargaining power with that common decision.

Ijaws are smart, I hope other Nigerian groups are learning.

Beaf:
Isoko and Urhobo are basically Edo's (same goes for Ishan, Owan, Edo, Etsako, Akoko etc).
Edo, Igbo, Ijaw, Yoruba all have a common root. They all started out as a single language that branched out.

My thoughts too.

Lukumi are from Cuba. No?

Is half of Cuba not from Nigeria  sef? 

I once read this article by Aluko. I suspect the Lukumi are from Nigeria, Igbo or Yoruba

We are probably just the same people fighting ourselves, down south especially.

A Yoruba enclave in the heart of Igboland * Story of Ugbodu, others in Delta State
Written by Banji Aluko
Sunday, October 24, 2010


Deep in the heart of the Igbo-speaking people in Aniocha North Local Government Area of Delta State are Ugbodu and three other communities where Oluku mi, a derivative of Yoruba language, is the language of the people. BANJI ALUKO, who visited the communities, examines how close Oluku mi actually is to the Yoruba language and traces how the people came about the language.


Oloza's palace

HELLO, this writer said, while knocking at the door, and a young lady, emerging from the building, replied, ta ni yen? When the writer heard the reply, he taught it was a mere coincidence or that his ears were deceiving him. Of course, he had every reason to be surprised since he was not anywhere near the Yoruba enclave where such a reply can only be anticipated. After all, he was more than 100 kilometres away from the nearest Yoruba community; he was in Ugbodu, a town in Aniocha North Local government Area of Delta State.


While trying to decipher why the lady gave such a reply, what further followed put the writer in a more confused position. A girl of about five appeared and said, "mo fe ra biscuit." Perhaps, the people are part of the Yoruba community living in the town, the writer guessed as he tried to find out from the lady.


"Are you a Yoruba woman; what is the meaning of ta ni yen?" The writer asked the questions at once. Reluctantly, she answered, "I am not Yoruba o, I am just speaking my language." Apparently, she was not unaware of the similarity between her language and Yoruba language. The lady refused to entertain any further question about her language and asked him to go to the king's palace or to the elders if he wanted to know more about the language.


At the palace, the elders still would not talk about the similarity between their language and Yoruba. They asked the writer to wait for the arrival of the king, who they said can only speak on the people, their language and their history.


The period of waiting for the king afforded one time to listen to the conversation and the discovery was nonetheless remarkable. Following closely the conversation between some elderly men and with a deep knowledge of Yoruba, one could establish a nexus between their speech and actions. In fact, some words and expressions could be understood.


Following their conversation with rapt attention, expressions such as Gbemu wa-bring palm wine, me wa nani-I didn't come yesterday, me ri e-I didn't see you, mu beer oka wa-bring one beer etc could be heard, albeit with an intonation slightly different from that of the Yorubas.


Seeing the desire of this writer to follow their talk, one man finally volunteered to explain the similarity between their language and Yoruba. "I believe you are a Yoruba man," he said. He continued: "We are Oluku mi speakers but we speak a language that is very similar to Yoruba." This he demonstrated by pointing out some words and expressions in their language (Oluku mi) which denote the same meanings as Yoruba.


He gave some examples such as ita-pepper, ogede lila-plantain, ogede keke-banana; ku wu se-what are you doing; ule house; osa - market; oma-child; o dowuo-see you tomorrow, e bo-welcome. After explaining some similarities between the languages, he still refused to talk about how the people of Ugbodu, in the middle of other Igbo speaking neighbours, came about Oluku mi. Like others, he maintained that only the traditional ruler of the town can speak about how Oluku mi became their language.


But after waiting endlessly for the king, his brother, Prince Adebowale Ochei, who later arrived the scene, volunteered to speak on behalf of the king, H.R.M. Ayo Isinyemeze, the Oloza (Obi) of Ugbodu. According to him, history gave it that the Ugbodu Oluku mi speaking people migrated from Owo/Akure axis in the present Ondo State between 9th and 11th century AD to settle down in Benin during the reign of King Ogiso of Benin.


He continued: "At this period in the history of the Benin Kingdom, the most neglected of the wife of the Ogiso gave birth to the heir apparent to the throne. After the woman gave birth to the child, a male, the nobles consulted the oracle and said that the oracle told them that the child should be killed for peace to reign in Benin Kingdom. At the end, the child was not killed as it was said that the child was too handsome to be killed, so a fowl was killed in his place."


According to Ochei, this was the reason the Ugbodu people left Benin. "They felt that if a crown prince could be ordered for execution just like that, they could do worse things to strangers in their midst. As a result, they left Benin and came to Ewohimi, an Ishan speaking community in Edo State. Due to intra-tribal wars, they later left the place to settle down here in Ugbodu which is a shortened form of Ugbodumila, which means bush saved me in English Language."


He further pointed out differences between Oluku mi and Yoruba. He said one notable difference is the changing of letter "j" in Yoruba words to "s" in Oluku mi as seen in words like oloja or oja which are rendered as olosa or osa and joko as soko.


With the movement of the people was the consequent change in their language as shown in their names. According to records compiled by Prince Humphrey Ojeabu Ochei, the immediate Olihen of Ugbodu, the first six Olozas bore Yoruba names namely Adeola, Aderemi, Ariyo, Odofin, Adetunji and Oyetunde. These early kings bore typical Yoruba names years and decades after the establishment of the Ugbodu Kingdom.


As the people gradually lost contact with their kinsmen back home, they began to gravitate towards the Benin and Edo communities. The resulting acculturative process gradually led to the adoption of Edo names among the people. Hence names such as Ogbomon, Ozolua, Izebuwa, Ogbelaka, Izedonwen, Osakpolor, Esigie Igbinadolor, Osaloua, Osamewamen and Ebor emerged as Olozas.


Since Ugbodu is surrounded by the Igbo-speaking Aniomas, it did not take much time before the Igbo Language started to interfere greatly on the people's language. Accordingly, Igbo influence steadily and progressively made what has now become permanent inroad and considerable impact on the socio-cultural life as well as linguistic orientation of the Ugbodu people. With this, the Edo influence began to wane, resulting in the adoption of Igbo names in preference to Edo names. Thus from the middle of the 19th century, the general shift was from Edo to Igbo names. This can be seen in the names of Olozas, who ruled between the middle of the 19th century and late 20th century such as Dike, Ochei, Ezenweani and Isinyemeze.


Investigations conducted revealed that Ugbodu is not the only community where Oluku mi is spoken in Aniocha North Local Government as the language is also spoken in Ukwu-Nzu (Eko Efun), Ubulubu and Ogodo.


At Ukwu-Nzu, only few kilometres away from Ugbodu, the language is not also different. Although, the people are less emphatic about their history, nonetheless, the similarity between their language and Yoruba is evident in their names and greetings. "Oju e ma won ke," meaning your face is scarce in Yoruba, was what a man said to his friend he accosted on the road. When Sunday Tribune approached the man, who gave his name as Ayo Oke, he shed light on his language and provided more examples between Oluku mi and Yoruba Language.


He said that "instead of saying e kaabo, we say e bo, meaning welcome and wa ni we yi, meaning come here;" He also gave example of words which virtually have the same meanings as the Yoruba language. Some of these include obe-stew; oni-today; ola-tomorrow; otunla-next tomorrow etc.


Another elder in the town, who spoke with Sunday Tribune, said that the name of Ukwu-Nzu before the Igbo Language "infiltrated" their language was Eko Efun (efun means chalk in Yoruba Language). He also attributed the efun in the name of their town to the rich prescence of white chalk in the town which he said the community was richly blessed with.


Presently, the biggest challenge for the people of Ugbodu and other Oluku mi-speaking communities is how to protect their language and culture in general. According to a native of Ugbodu, "the elders are more connected to the original Olukumi language than the youth. In fact, we have lost the real Oluku mi and what we have now is an Oluku mi that has been greatly altered by Igbo language. Most of the people who can really speak the language right now are the elders. Ordinarily, the real Oluku mi is like the Yoruba that is spoken in Owo in Ondo State. Someone from that place is expected to understand the language perfectly but right now someone from Owo might not be able to understand more than 50 per cent of our language. This language may die if care is not taken," he said.


Another factor that also contributed to the decline of Olukumi, according to findings, is that there was a time in the past when an understanding of the Edo or Igbo language, was considered as a status symbol. According to an elder in the town, "An Oluku mi who spoke the two languages then was considered superior to others because it meant that he had travelled wide. This was the inferiority complex our people unwittingly created for themselves which we are trying to correct now."


In protecting their language which is gradually being threatened, a revival process has been started. Part of this is that some of them now choose to give their children Oluku mi names and to sing and say prayers in Oluku mi. In some cases, some radical reformers and revivalists changed the names given to them by their parents from Igbo to Olukumi. The climax of the restoration process of their linguistic ethos and identity was the christening of the incumbent Oloza with an Olukumi name, Ayo.


Reacting to efforts aimed at protecting Oluku mi, Prince Adebowale said, "I am an Oluku mi man and I am proud of my language. I am not happy that Igbo language is interfering with our language. We are trying our best to correct the situation and part of that is what my brother (the Oloza) is doing by organising an Oluku mi reciting competition. We want to know the people who can speak the real Oluku mi without mixing it with Igbo or English." As laudable as the task of protecting Oluku mi by the people of Ugbodu(mila) is, only time will tell how far they can go.


http://odili.net/news/source/2010/oct/24/609.html

werepeLeri:
At last the movie  title gets changed to "All Things Fall Apart" - the old nigga man looses  160million Naira and 50 cents will rake in over $100 million from the film. Who wins at the end?

LOL

werepeLeri:
at the end of the day - the old Nigga man is happy with the addition of the word All -

End of story.

Werepe, I thought you always support anything "Nigerian" o or Na only politicians you dey support? 

What happened now? are you being sarcastic? Or is this your mumu brother using your laptop? 

werepeLeri:
WTF.

So because someone used a Title for a book written since when, then, no one should use the title again? Did he buy the copyright to the title? How many movies out there that bear or even has the same name? Come on.

The funniest part is this- you claim the book is famous worldwide and yet the guy havent even heard of the title before - LOL. Famous indeed.

Where are the legal luminaries in the house - how many books worldwide share the same title with movies?

Abeg - what is the team out to achieve? I cant understand .

So because a dimwitted American Rapper with an high school diploma has not read a particular book before, then the book is not famous?

Please return werepeLeri's laptop back to him. Thank you

Maybe it means "small Bini" (Benin) maybe some of the ijo there are Migrants from Benin, maybe Bonny actually means Benin and got corrupted by ijo migrants and Portuguese and English translators.

Maybe they are just fishermen from various hinterland groups that chose to live close to their trade and developed a common loosely related lingua in the process.

BTW, These languages sound too similar to me, Ijaw, Igbo, Yoruba dialects( Ikale, Ilaje, Ijebu, Ondo, Akoko, Irele) Itshekiri, Urhobo, Isoko, Ishan, Owan, Edo, Lukumi, Etsako, Igbira. They all sound the same 

Maybe they are all from the same place: Benin, Yoruba, Igbo, Itshekiri, Urhobo, ijo, Ilaje, Akoko, Igbira e.t.c

Kpogede:

Ijaw. . . . . . . . The next thing you hear na my community yeee. They know you will win them in court, they don't believe in court all they use is violence.

The benefit of the violence to them is already on the line of regression, because other ethnic groups are already acquiring weapons of mass destruction to curtail them effectively.

10 years ago Itsekiris produce land mines locally and use it to massacre Ijaws. The 2010 and 2011 model of the land mine is out, we are progressing, very soon we will have a mini nuclear reactor, Itsekiris are the Israelis of Niger Delta.

Kpogede cracks me up everytime

oyanwumi:
Olisa don Apologize ooo, Im no wont make him record spoil

http://korrectnation.com/?p=15964

That picture of Olisa and the oppressed mumu beside him tells the story of Nigeria better than anything I've seen in a long time.

A society that will not make people pay for their errors provides no incentive for change.

That Is a Governmrnt that knows why it's peoples privacy is very important. They've seen the impact of oppression and control so they get it. Unlike the visionless small minded buffoons we constantly elect.

oseiwe:
my own pain be say[b] nobody tell me till i check fb for nite, i vex use my one week old etisalat num wey start wit 08181 take call like ten girls, eight switch off their fone instanta while d oda two sent fire packed prayer txts to me[/b], i laff tire. I no go send any of dem credit again cos dem no warn me of danger

SMH it is now clear why many of us vote STOOOOOOPID politicians everytime even when we are not forced to.

Separation, efribodi go ya papa house 51 (52.6%)

Separation must be taken of the cards, lets talk true federalism 21 (21.6%)

How to gang up on one or two sections and cast them out 3 (3.1%)

Confederation 20 (20.6%)

How to share more oil money to the states 2 (2.1%)

While it is not scientific at all. The top three issues by vote on this poll shows that most Nigerians are willing and ready for fundamental changes, but we always manage to elect visionless, weak and selfish leaders who care more about power and money than they do about repairing this country.

I hope 2015 will be better, but I'm not sure we are ready.

I am so proud of Bash Ali if this exchange is really true.

I shake my head for my country and how we always seem to allow criminals, lowlifers and people with zero foresight rise to the top.

Anyone that fails to understand the import of these exchanges should not even bother to vote. This is a rare look into the mind of the average Nigerian politician and we can see clearly those things we already know. We can see that Orubebe is an average political big-man, at least be believes he is.

It is obvious that some of the politicians we elect do not believe Nigeria can change, they talk it on TV and newspapers but deep down they just want to chop and comot. They have no faith, no vision, no desire to change this country and it is obvious in the words of Orubebe that he fits that profile. But I'm not surprised.

I feel sorry for the people of Niger Delta who believe Orubebe will do anything tangible to help the situation in their region. Orubebe does not have the mind, brain, vision and ideology to fix anything beyond his pocket and the pocket of his family and friends. Back to square one.

^

Yes you are right there is a difficult chicken and egg situation. That in the big problem we have to creatively deal with. The solution is not simple. It might take total chaos to solve it.

The NASS will not give up power just like that, so we have to help them. One way is to appeal to their self interest, since Nass membership is not forever. We can give incentives by making sure the final dissolution is as close to the present NASS's end of term as possible.

We can also appeal to their massive greed and ego by allowing them to declare the body legal and independent. You and I know 90% of these pot bellied idiots are about the money. I'm not trying to patronize you, you are probably smarter than half of the house of assembly combined, and that is not saying anything big deal about your intelligence. 

These people did not get there because they have any ideology or vision. They got there because they are brutal and greedy enough to play.

Beaf, i must stress, these things cannot happen in the absence of a strong executive leadership. GEJ is uniquely positioned to offer that if he's selfless and visionary enough. The Nigerian presidency is a very powerful position presently. There are enough carrots to dangle, enough strings to pull and he has immunity.

I know regular Nigerians will back Mr President if he can push this. The alternative is all out chaos and we really don't want to take our people down that road.

Selflessness and vision is key

Beaf:
I don't agree 100%.
Even if we need to break up, there must be changes to the constitution (or its outright suspension) to allow for that. The process will still need to pass through the NASS whichever way it goes. Its the only way to go without open warfare.
I believe we can push for true federalism through the NASS and that can blossom into further demands from the voices on the street; the strength of those voices will determine our final direction.

Ok. For the sake of argument let's say we leave it to the NASS to deliberate and vote on the laws, constitutional amendments or even suspension of the old constitution. How do you address Dede1's concerns?

Dede1 is essentially saying that the National assebmlly is a product of fraud and I agree with him.

I do not see how this NASS can address fundamental issues on behalf of all Nigerian nationalities when they do not represent all ethnic nationalities, they were not chosen based on our needs, they represent at best a narrow shade of political or elitist opinion in Nigeria (the CPC, ACN or PDP agenda is not necessarily the same as a  Kanuri, Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Edo, Ijebu, Ekiti, Efik, Idoma, Ibibio, Ijaw or Ogoni Agenda).

Who will fight for the Ijaw cause, who will fight for the Igbo cause, what of Yoruba? Nupe, Bachama, Ibibio, Junkun, Ikale, Ebira. e.t.c

For example,  I want us to divide political zones based on culture, language and regions or states something along that line, give them broad autonomy to make local laws and teach my local dialect up to secondary school age.

I want many things these NASS cannot even articulate on my behalf. I don't blame them, they were not elected because they are smart or ideological or because they have a grasp of my people's history or undestand how to fight for us. No!

They were selected because they are greedy and corrupt enough, because they are brutal enough, can bribe better, or steal ballot boxes and kill opponents better than others, all in a bid to get to Abuja and share the loot with people like them.

They can't represent me. But because I understand your point and since like you, I'm not yet ready to shed blood, I'll offer a compromise:

This is just a framework of what I have in mind:


1. We can have another independent body (independent of NASS and the executive) voted for and given the mandate to make a new constitution, set a new agreement for a totally new Nation.

2. No NASS member is allowed to be a part of it, except they resign their position, same for all Governors and all other officials including the president. It can be done by executive fiat or NASS can constitute it.

3. Their mandate is simple: come up with a new Nigeria based on agreed-to-terms.

Any group that fails to vote the final document cannot be a part of Nigeria. They should have a right to form their own country. They can join The New Nation when they agree to the New document.

4. The members of this temporary constitutional conference or body must be elected by the people on local language basis, e.g all 250+ languages and ethnicities must be identified and given a chance to vote at their designated homestead for their own representatives.

5. All existing "tribe" in Nigeria must be identified. Every "ethnic group" has one vote at the final stage. if Ekiti or Ijesha align themselves with Yoruba it's just one vote, so beware. If Fulani form Hausa, same thing. If Ishan form Edo? One vote, if Okrika form Ijaw? One vote. But is you split according to your dialect, then you have a vote to yourself if you combine with a larger group, you all have one vote together.  It's up to you.

6. This body will receive only Minimum wage and zero allowances while meeting at their local homestead before they move to Abuja (or any designated central location) for the final deliberation and voting. They will get a fixed amount for accomodation when they get to the central location to vote. Shikena! no hidden allowances.

7. If you do not have the ability to selflessly deliberate and argue ideologically on behalf of your people it's better you just vote for your representative and go wait at home. There will be no financial reward beyond the stipend mentioned.

Note:  NONE of these representatives can seek elective post in the new Nigeria till they die. That must be engraved in the final constitution. Their names will be remembered for posterity.

8. They must elect 3 representatives each to deliberate for them at the center, but the final voting on each aspects of the constitution/agreement must be done by all elected ethnic representatives and it will read as one vote. The "ethnic group' should reserve the right to recall a representative.

9. Final vote must be binding on the present government and the must dissolve the present government. Final document must  call for new elections, which shall be conducted on the basis of the new laws. The job of the body ends when they New Nigerian Constitution becomes Law.

10. Duration is 1 year, it can only be changed by majority vote by the body itself.


Note: There will be no religious representative, all religions will be recognized but the nation shall remain secular.

I have more. . .everything is not for NL.

davidylan:
Gbam! I've always said, a man who would abuse you shows his hand earlier in the relationship but most women choose to ignore it.

I cant count the number of women who say stuff like wanting a man who can "put me in my place when i'm being cocky" (i'm serious!). I just spoke to a friend this evening who is willing to turn down a perfect gentleman doctor because she feels he has no "swag" i.e. he is too soft, too nice, caters to her every need and is too sensitive to her needs. I couldnt believe my ears!

Rather she wants a man who has "ego", can push her around the place and slap her down when she needs it!   no kidding!

This man, your mother raised you well!

One lady on Nairaland made the same kind of statement here in the family section a month or so ago, I corrected her with as much feigned humor ( told her to ride on my Okada, I guess my humor took the focus off the point ) as I could muster but she took offense.

I told her not to expect any man to modify her behavior for her. Because i've come to realize it's part of the pressure to make the man act in a certain way and it subconsciously makes the woman emotionally dependent. The man also becomes a victim in his attempt to live up to that socially forced expectation.

She accused me of sexism or something of that nature because of my joke, but the point got lost in the ensuing back and forth.

They want men to act in a certain way, because society has conditioned their minds to expect men to be that way, we are all victims of our environment or culture. We need to get new perspectives if we want changes.

[quote author=Sisi_Kill link=topic=759636.msg9145792#msg9145792 date=1316009054]You people clearly don't understand what the Dame is trying to say because you obviously lack understanding of what the first Lady is saying. This usually happens with people who think they are smart because they are brilliant. . . I gotta tell ya, this obvious contempt for the Dame is a glaring disrespect to her person.

She is saying that she would rather kill herself than commit suicide, how's that a hard concept to grasps? In the former, YOU KILL YOURSELF and in the latter ONE COMMITS SUICIDE. . . Get it??!!

I hope you all change your ways because it is better to be an Intelligent person than a Brilliant human being.[/quote]Nice phrasing and wordplay here sisi

Totally love it!

Beaf:
Correction to the dangerous assertion (bolded).
The constitution was not written by any political party, neither was it written under a democratic setting. It was rammed down our throats by Gen. Abubakar. The first versions being written by Gen Babangida and Gen. Abacha. It was carefully crafted so they could continue seeping Nigeria's juices forever.
The best way to get out of the mess is a national conference.

There is nothing dangerous about it.

Abdulsalami + IBB + Abacha( now represented by his former civilian and military sycophants) + OBJ and other nigeria owners are mostly part of the PDP today.

Anyway, the point is separation must stay on the table, else it's not a serious SNC, we have to start from the foundation.

@ abagworo, nah everybody dey claim 4th largest now, hope we nor go fight war over this 4th largest issue. Ijaw people don claim 4th largest too.

armyofone:
xcuse me, my name is Walter, are you calling me?
which is wader again na prison warder??

No be so Una dey call "water" for American Engrishhh?  

With "d" sound

It sounds like "warer" but it's actually a "d" sound. Abi I lie?

Very funny accent



http://www.pronuncian.com/materials/podcasts/Episode_61.aspx

Ironi:
I don't think so!

Nigerian English is heavily accented with Nigerian Piggin english which makes it impossible to sometimes understand unless you are familiar with Nigerian piggin. I don't think it's clearer than Ghanaian English.

And so?

It is almost impossible for me to understand an American speaking American English, or a french person speaking English. Some Americans have to repeat themselves twice before I get what they are saying  

I "carried" an Italian expatriate trying to escape Lagos traffic on my Okada the other day, we almost missed the way to his office because I could not understand his Italo English. Don't know if he was saying "stop" or "turn" na luck we take find the place  

Abeg give me correct Nigerian accent or pidgin anyday jor.

Their is nothing wrong with saying tharteeen or pronouncing things with the inflection and accent of your grandmother. Embrace your own uniqueness.  

British  = water
American = wa[b]d[/b]er

Nigeria = warthaa

All get meaning. Embrace your own, it's not by force to conform.

When last did we hear an American trying to imitate Nigerian accent to belong.

They only do that when they want to Mock us  

amblors:
wassup with Mr. Death ? stealing our entertainers
may his soul RIP

What's up with us failing to fix the Benin-Ore Road? Everyone can't afford flight ticket  

What's up with us electing the same murderers every four years?

What's up with us standing like mumu while Billons mean't for public projects are cornered into private pockets?

What's up with me? Ok o.

RIP MC Loph.  

Beaf:
You gotta be dreaming if you think we'll ever let Ekiti women and their wiggly, jiggly, wickedly shapely behinds out of sight!

Actually, I'll shed blood to keep those heavy bakassis in my country too

It is a solemn pledge

Beaf:
I don't think its possible to talk true federalism and separation at the same time, its either one or the other. Personally, I am for true federalism. But my heart says separation each time a bomb goes off or one of those people that think sabotaging the country is part of opposition opens their gob (Buhari, IBB, Atiku).

Actually it is possible. What we need is the political and social will ( I mean balls). You can't invite me to a discussion about my future and at the same time tell me i must live within your terms by force. I need to have a choice to Leave if the agreement is not favourable.

Keeping separation on the table serves both psychological and practical purposes.

Me too I think about separation everyday I wake up in a country forced to exist on a forged PDP constitution written and administered by criminal leaders like OBJ, Late Yar'ardu, GEJ and their fellow "Owners of Nigeria"  and ex-military coup plotters like IBB and his boys.

Good topic, very painful and sad stories here

Every human has a female relative. So deep down we all feel the pain of spousal and women abuse. Many people have spoken well.

My contribution is to call on people like chaircover to lead the charge and work to save our society. Men will not give up this power until they are confronted. The few civil society groups we have need your help and your passion.

When John Stuart Mill wrote his book "the subjection of women" in 1861? Even he was scared to publish it, he knew his male dominated society was not ripe enough to reform itself.

For example, After centuries of social reform in America, Wife battering did not carry any substantial social stigma and it was not vigorously enforced as a criminal offense until the early 1970's, despite the laws on the books. I think the NOW(national women association) and the feminist movt was responsible for making it a big social issue.

It will take activists like chaircover and other women working hard to change the culture of battering. Men will not change by themselves.

As an aside, All these 35% allocation our women politicians pay attention to will not liberate women in Nigeria, making wife battering a serious criminal offense and demanding for specific law enforcement angles will liberate our women faster than ministerial allocation.

It's terrible what women go through here in Nigeria. Ours is a harsh brutal society, it will take some pushing.

^
OK bro,

Happy fishing on NL romance section, fine gals full there. Follow the link I posted. Ask for 190 when you get there, he'll show you the way

mikealz:
what is FOB? LOL

LOL

It means "Fresh Off the Boat"

I was simply asking If you just landed in America. Anyway work hard, don't embarrass us there o, and come back home after you finish school. OK?

BTW, this is where you post pics like that --> https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/board-21.0.html

I bet most of those stuuuupid Nigerians condemning their brothers and sisters to death all over NL will now see reason to sympathize because oyinbo people don talk.

Every sane person knew the Nigerian government failed woefully at protecting their own citizens from abuse in a foreign country. After Dem don despoil naija women finish? Hopefully they will get passage to safer countries  

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FOB?

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Why are you releasing State Security secrets on Nairaland. Nor let me vex for you o.

Arrest them before they run now. Ghaddafi don reach Kano o.