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My dear friendly sister: Don't you see wisdom in what the brother oyb, wrote ? Accept Islam and be benefitted. However, if you do not, then know that you are a witness to our being muslims. Bowing our wills to God Almighty Allah, in submission.

@Vikkysula: What tribe are you, in Nigeria? Go to your elders and find out where your people migrated from. Then at the same time, ask them how your tribal language kinda developed and different from what the soil of your origin, still speak. I am a Yoruba, for example, and it is historical facts that they Yorubas came from Middle east. Some say Makka itself, but not from the Children of Israel.

How did the Yoruba language develop to this present Yoruba, that we do not see any trace of Arabic/Aramaic or whatever the original language they spoke in the soil that they migrated from? Is what the Yoruba call God, eg, Oluwa will mean just that in that language, or a similarly sounding word, in any other language will mean God? Hardly!

The mauritanian Fulani's Torodo group have some similarly sounding Yoruba words, but the meaning is far and completely different, from their Yoruba relatively similar sounding words. Similarly, some words in igbo language will sound similar to Yoruba words, but they are very different in meanings. Therefore your inference and the inference of your copied Website about Allah being a Sumarian goddess or whatever is childish in pure intelligence.

How then did the primary objective of Islam is purely iconoclastic in nature, destroying all forms of imageries?

@Olrotimi: On Yahoo, this morning, They had a young Muslim Girl holding a ram as the picture of the week. The story told about this picture was the slaughter rite that the Muslims just celebrated. It was a commemoration of the commandment of God on Ibrahiim in his dream. He was asked to Sacrifice his son Ismail. Even the News people have the brain to at least acknowledge that it was Ismail and not baby Isiaq.

The second story that caught my interest, was about the US service men and women in Iraq. There was this Muslim girl who is serving in Iraq. Then a larger group of Jews in deployment in Iraq as well. Then the Christians. The largest of the three religions by far. The Chaplain who was interview has this west African accent. Definitely not Nigerian. But what was said about the thou shall not kill of the, 'Christian law,' was the very interesting thing to me. It seems that the power of the country is greater than the power of God, because it is quickly reconcilable, that to carry out the agenda or mission of the Christian leadership mission, in the prosecution of the way, when its especially against Islam and Muslims, then it is okay to forget God's commandment for a moment.

@Nwando: So what are you doing in here, when people are shopping? Get some Credit cards with large Dough behind it. Or get yourself a letter of credit and go on binging/shopping spree. Leave the board to the Non Christians. If we allow the likes of Pilgrim.1, Backslider, etc who tasted the Sweet nectar of Islam, yet settled for pungent/acid taste fruits, we do not expect them to be sincere in their warped viewpoints. This is why we can not let them run a gamut on her, Leilah, that it. And just because she is not observing does not means she is a former Muslim. By the way where is the Aisha you have been talking about? Is she a gimmick by you, a phantom to make us believe that some people are leaving Islam?

Please bring her out. Afterall she should not be shy to come out now that you in your GIMMICK has helped her to shed her garment of bashfulness. If this is the case, bring her out. Like the old movie, 'The Wonderers,' titled after a 70s Coney Island in Brooklyn neighborhood gang, the line, "Warriors come out to playey," from the movie comes to mind. If Aisha from Nigeria, a former Muslim as you claim can not step to the plate, then "me think you is a bluffing." lol.

@Kokojunkie, Nwando, Pilgrim.1, Davidylan, Backslider Bobbylaf, TayoD, etc, etc: I have to thank God that God Almighty Allah spoke the truth through the mouth of my esteem leader, Kokojunkie. On November 30, he made a very important entry, which goes against the myth that everyone else is trying to sell/put forward about Qur'an and the Torah, Sabuur and Injil. I called them the Bible. Read his respond, again.

COrrection. The Torah is not the Bible.
Correction number 2. Incase you do not know your history and the contents of the books well. The Quran does not in any way tell the stories in the Torah or the Bible as it is told in those. The stories are completely opposite and so the one can not be litmus test for the others. I don't know if you have ever taken time out to read the 3 books you refer to in this case. The stories in the Torah go one way but the same stories in the Quran go the opposite way. How can the two books be the same if they are not telling the same stories?? And please, do not play the two different aspects excuse, we have seen that used too many times and still no headway

: I know that the Torah is not the Bible. The Jews never add your NT to their Book, ever. They do not believe, that the Christians have anything tangible. Especially since you have a 3 godhead for a God. But it is you that cling to them and adopt their Torah as the first part of your Bible. I admire you, the Christians in this. But I stop the admiration, when you cancelled The Mosaic law. Cursed the soul of Prophet and Messenger Jesus son of Mary. And your having a 3 godheaded God as your Almighty. Part of this godhead deity dead on the cross. The second part has no real function. Except as part of the 3 that witness in heaven. And the last seems to be the True God. Who is Independent and completely in control, regardless of the conditions of the other two!

I have also told my dear sisters the same thing, the Qur'anic stories have a different source from the source of the Biblical stories. Old habit does die a very sluggish death. I am still calling Torah the Bible. Sorry Kokojunkie. Silly me, it is not the Bible. Only NT is the Bible. But why are you Christians having what is not part of the Bible, in your Bible, therefore? Again our common stories are only in names/Title only. The details and contents are not alike. Again thank you, Kokojunkie. But please excoriate your Christian brothers and sisters, the moment you read their piece trying to claim that Qur'an draws from the same source as Tourat. The Qur'an does not have anything written by Ester, for example. The claim that the Qur'an also draws from Injiil is also false. The Qur'a does not have anything written by Saul/Paul, etc. (Pilgrim, and Nwando you know that I will take full advantage to use Saul/Paul in this case! lol).

@Nwando: Muhammad (as), the Prophet and Messenger of the Most Merciful, had stated that there will be 73 sects in Islam, before the world comes to an end. The group that you have referred in the picture, with the woman praying at the grave which she faced, is one. You have what we call the five percenters in America, as well as the Nation of Islam. You also have the Shia. You have the Dru, etc And many hypinated Muslims. Inshort all of them have deviated, from the very slightly to the completely deviated group, that you will not see anything Islamic about them, except only the name. From the 73 sects, only 1 will not be punished for any deviation, hence will not enter Hell at all.

All the 72 however who goes against the straigh path of Islam, as Provided in the Qur'an and Hadith/Sunnah, will have to be purified in Hell, time in it is directly proportional to the degree of deviation. Some muslims will not come out of it, ever, because this group is known as the hypocites. They say with their mouth that they are Muslims, but their heart and soul do not accept Islam!

Having said this, all Idol worshippers, Atheists, and all the 71 sects of Judaism and 72 sects of Christianity, without any exception, will be punished and remain in Hell, forever. Obigeli Nwando, is this what you want for yourself? That will be the end of those who associate Partner with the Supreme!

@Pilgrim.1: Princess, how are you? Someday, I will be sending you Id greetings! I have a pretty good feeling that you will come back! NOw to your post.

Now the two simple questions I should remind you herewith:
~ Did God ever reveal Himself to Muhammad?
(that is, did Muhammad ever see God at any time?)

; No one ever seen God Almighty. No one. Whoever say otherwise is a liar!

~ Did God ever speak directly to Muhammad?

In this case, the answer is yes. At the miraj part in heaven of the night journey known as Isra wa Miraj. It is in this occasion on earth, that Muhammad took leadership from all the prophets and messengers, including Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Musa and indeed Isa bin Mariam. He led all of them and also Ruuh Qudus (Malaika Jibril), in what is known as Salatul Ibrahiim, in Masjid Aqsa (all the earth of Allah is Masjid. It does not have to be the misunderstood concept of 'only solid building'). Then in heaven, he was given the commandment of prayer for all the muslims. The last 4 verses of Chapter 2, was also revealed of the Qur'an.

Why is it that up until now you have not been able to demonstrate that Muhammad passed those tests?

: If Muhammad did not pass a test, no one of Mankind, from Adam,who did not have any father or mother, or Jesus, who only have a mother, no one of God's creation will pass it. Allah says that this is my messenger. Angel Gabreil said to Muhammad after the first verses revealed, I am Gibreil and you Muhammad is the Messenger of God!

So, you see that Muhammad actually did not see 'Allah' at any point - and Aisha's protests against such an idea has continued to prove enigmatic for you guys to this very moment!

: And no one ever saw Allah God Almighty before. No one!

@Kuns: I flatly disagree with you: Jesus son of Mary was not a myth. He was my Prophet. He was a Messenger of his Lord to the Children of Israel. But he was not son of God. He was not God. He was not a partner of God. But as a Prophet/Messenger, he performed many great miracles, by the help of his Creator! All of them to show that he was truly an elect of God.

d post's interestin,I wondered why a Professor of Physics will bow down to the so called pic of Jesus knowin fully well that d pin hole camera;d 1st of its kind was invented few hundred years ago.what about d pic of Jeffery Hunter in wide circulation as that of JESUS.I read it in 'Applied Calculus' coppies of which is in Unilorin Lib.under Title: Applicatn of 1st order diff equatn;'The shroud of Turen'(please search)d presumed shroud used 2 cover Jesus before ascention.In 60's it was dicovered in a cave when d carbon datin was carried out on it 2 determine its age, It was found only 2 be less than 200 years of age! Then how can d same shroud be paraded as that of JESUS!!?

: Everything is in use to prop up a myth about a believing soul known as Jesus son of Mary. From Changing the rules which he stands for, etc, etc, to the absurd imagery of some nameless guy who they are carrying all over the place as his picture. The very interesting thing is that towards the end of 1999, the US Christians have a picture of a little baby in a diaper who they nicknamed, 'New Millenium Baby Jesus!' When I saw it, I just could not believe how bend the mindset of many of mankind are.

@Flowincome:

olabowale, may GOD 4give u. u can't understand anything because u're living in the dark. the harder u try to understand, d more confused u become. just check out all the things u have written, do they make any sense to u? WAKE UP. the God of the xtians is a loving GOD and a GOD of peace. can u say same about Allah? my GOD is not a GOD of violence. think about this and repent from your ways. fellow xtians in the house, don't bother explaining anything anymore, he wont understand. just pray for him to realize the truth

May God forgive me; Amin. I now ask you when you said, 'GOD,' which God are you inferring? The 3 godhead God or the God who creaded Adam, and all things? The later is the True God and He is complete and pure in Oneness. There is no need for Him to have multiple head. Then the former is in the realm of idolatry. If anything is more than 1, it is plural, or multiple. That God with Multiple godhead i do not need anything from.

And I am very satisfied with my choice of religion. My objective is very clear. My goal of hereafter is my focal point.

@Alexis: The topic is, "God, Allah do we all serve the same God?" When you started your engagement with me on this topic, I was hope that we would be on topic, without straying at all. But to my surprise, you are using the, "Bible," as a yardstick, trying to force me to accept it. In what ground do you think I will record Saul/Paul and all the post Jesus ascension materials, as truth? No ground at all, because they are clearly opposing what Jesus stood for. They went against the relevance of Moses law, which Jesus confirmed and practised. So in one broad stroke, Paul and his clique cancel the law and Jesus relevance. Afterall, most of the things that the Christians do today is based on Paul's hypothesis, and Jesus has nothing to do with it. A good example is the place of your worship, Church and your identity, Christianity/Christians. Both are unknown to Jesus. You are clearly on your own!

Alhaji, perhaps I should rephrase the question for you
1. What common ritual and mode of worship does pre-islamic Arabs and Muslims have in common?
2. What is the difference between pre-islamic arabs sacrificing rams during their hajj and Muslims killing rams "sallah" now? No be the same? Abi because the name is different?
3. Muslims have nearly everything in common with the pre-islamic arabs yet you claim you worship one god.
4. Pre-islamic arabs threw petals at a great stone in mecca to symbolize "stoning the devil". Don't present Muslim do the same thing? Una go they throw stone at another stone calling him the devil, I am sure it is during this time that the devil has the greatest fun ever - laughing at you ignorant people.(/quote]

I will give you answers, regardless of your incoherence; (1). None except that all the Children of Ibrahim responded to his call for hajj. Before Islam of Muhammad, the pre-Islamic arabs, the Children of Israel, Prophet King Solomon, a very glaring example made hajj. The Children of Israel stopped making the hajj, when the idols, became a permanent fixture in Ka'aba. However the complete process of hajj of Muslim includes Arafat, which the pagans did not do and many others which includes Umrah and the travel to Madina. Since I do not know what you are by tribe, I will use the Yoruba tradition am very familiar with: The Brasilian (Brazilian) State known as Bahia, associates herself with the Yoruba culture. They speak a Yoruba that is not pure like the Yoruba spoken by the Yoruba's of South West of Nigeria. Are these two Yorubas the same? Never! It is the same with Islamic Hajj and pagan hajj. The commonality is in name only. It is the same with the Christian Yahweh and the Jewish Yahweh. While the former group has 3 godhead in their Yahweh, the later has just 1! Alexis, are you Yoruba, since you said I should ask you, if I need to know! I wanted to poke fun at you, since you said I should 'hit ground,' in your last entry. The proper statement is 'hit the ground, as in postrate, am sure you intended.' I did and gave postration to God almighty who does not let my heart be seduced by the evil of man, jinn or that of myself.

(2). The slaughter is not 'sallah.' It is adha or give. You see it shows the same mindset that i see most non Muslim Nigerian have. They associate Islam with Northern Nigeria. Islam is bigger that that small group of people. Indeed Islam is bigger than the whole of Arab or even mankind itself!

(3). You only made a statement and you are wrong in your assumption. You deserve no answer here except to simply rebuke you on your ignorance of the subject matter you are claiming to be a pundit.

(4). Its a shame that you have know knowledge of Islam, hence you just run your mouth.

Please give me a couple of hours, I am preparing the surahs where your Allah gave angel Gabriel, angels and the holy spirit the koran to give Muhammad. Then we will see what black and polished lie you will come up with now

Alexis, you have a lifetime to research your unresearchable. If am older than you, after am dead, somebody will carry the flag to response to you when you put your lies forward. After you die, whoever raise your deceitful idea among the non Muslims, there will be Muslims alive to respond to him/her. Then God Almighty, (without the aid of Jesus and the 12 apostles of Jesus, who you Christians say will Judge the 12 tribes of the house of Israel, hence we see here that the ministry of Jesus was strictly within the boundary of the house of Jacob, the Children of Israel), alone, will decide the inmates of hell and the the inhabitants of paradise.

We should ask Alexis in what credentials is he speaking in confidence; Are you an Arab, sir, or a great gret scholar of the Arab language and culture, since we know that you are no Muslim? Then we should ask the Christian Arabs, what name is God Almighty in the Arabic Bible, is it different from Allah?

The concept of Islam forbids Idolatry. But the concept of Christianity, based on the 3 godhead in 1 God, is indeed a clear indication of its Idolatry. Unfortunately, many in Islam are deviants. So what are showing is not new about people and groups in Islam. It is not a custom in Islam to venerate grave of anyone. I am sure you will remind of the Grave of the prophet (as). However, when people pray at the grave, it is permissable to face it, but face the Qibla when supplicating/praying. I do not see a sign of idolatry in Islam as it is very clear in Christianity; The Crosses, Paintings in the Church, we are not talking about the sisteen Chapel now/Last supper paintings and indeed the Crucible around the neck of Billions in Christendom!

Am angry and shocked that you could not make a tangible contribution, except the faces you are posting!

We are on our own, in relationship with you. We are on the side of God. We have God as our 'SUFFICIENT and ONLY' needed support. Hence we are the majority, but not by head counts. The head count advantage belongs to you. majority may rule, but may not be write by being the ruler.

And you are sons of Isaac in this case? Or are you sons of Jacob? You tell me. If you say Isaac, the question is this did believe that it was Isaac who was to be slaughtered by Ibrahim? If your answer is yes, then we will ask you; why do you leave the celebration to the Muslims, who are sons of Ismail? Except that if you truly thing deep in your heart, you will know that it could not have been Isaac! The right person was Ismail, and maybe thats why the Jews who will jump at all chances to prove their claims as the chosen, and you the Christians who follow blindly in their deceit do not observe this great act of Mercy from God on both Ibrahim and the son, both people being obedient to the Command of the Great AUTHORITY! We see that First child can only be the only only child. There is no way it can belong to anyone born after! It is only in Jewish and Christian tradition that people lose their birth right by deceit! Ismail was not Essau and Alhamdulillah, Ibrahim was not blind! And no one reported that Ismail was an evil man. And his Children did not deceive one another as Jocob did to his own brother Essau and in gaining good yeilding livestocks at the expense of other, in the country where he seeked asylum. We do not have arrogance in Ismail's Children as we have in Jacob, who they said Struggle with God and man, and he over both of them! This is pure madness!

@Nwando: My dear, neither you nor me know what is the present condition of Jesus son of Mary. Whether he is kept alive or he had been commanded to die, it is an unknown matter to both of us. So to quote Timothy and other materials which are written to support any Conjecture about his condition is naive. The Christians started a religion based on iffy or hypothesis. Until Muhammad challenged that idea, everything was okay. This challenge is similar to the natural selection hypothesis, which they turned to theory, without a tested sets of facts. A theorem has to be proven and also has to stand the relevant challenges to it. Your 3 in ! God does not hold! Every aspect of adding Jesus to Oneness of God is completely weak and very flat.

Finally Allah the Almighty said in Surah Al Rahmanthat every face shall perish (That means every one shall die, including all creations without any exception; jinn and man, angels, including Gabriel and Michael and angel of death himself!), except the face of God (only God Almighty will remain). In the Qur'an, Allah declares that when all the 'kings are dead,' (earthly kings, but we know that God alone is truly King and He remains intact) and every creation is dead, Allah will ask: Who remains alive? He will answer Himself, in affirmation of His true Lordship, 'I Am the Only One, the Irresistible,' (the only One that remain and no one is sharing that honor with Him)!

What you are claiming for Jesus, Jesus can not claim it for himself. He would have been destined for Hellfire if he had!

It only touches my lips. But for you, its french! I am a gentleman. Leilah does not want to become Christian. You, my dear Nwando, is a potential Muslima. You and your beau, InshaAllah are ready for Islam. I can see Pilgrim.1 making Daw'ah, again, to those Shayatin who got her into Kiriyo.

The spirit if Saul/Paul, who flip the script on all the Prophets; On Moses, he shunted his 10 commanded with the great device of trinity, son of Godship, belief in cruxificion, the blood and ressurrection. On Jesus, he went against the grain of his famous statement of fulfilling the complete law, without omitting a single Jot. Yet, Paul stated that the law was not important because the accursation of the soul of 'the dead jesus on the cross,' has inured every 'believers', (I say that they have been sold a fools gold and they pay plenty for it, because of their gullibility!), can do what they want.

@Pilgrim.1: THe hadith you quoted, the term,'touch,' is what was used. I even went further to states that Allah creates for every human, a shayatin, who whispers, subtle suggesting to that person to do evil. It does not mean that the person will do evil. I went further that just by the touch of the shaitan on the child does not make that child becomes a sinner, because 3 people do not have record/accounting. They are children before reaching the age of puberty. It is very clear therefore that the touch will have no impact on the child, at least th child is not a sinner by it. Afterall, my master, who you call your god jesus says lets the children come to me! And other statement to indicate purity of children. the second is an unconscious person. Sleeping is a good illustration of it. The last one is a person who is sick in the head as to be crazy or mad. How can you say any of these people are sinners, when they are in those states?

Then I said that Muhammad was sincere in the Qur'an to let you know that Jesus and his mother are the two who did not have any 'touch' of Shaitan, as young people. If this is how you wanna see it. But the Bible did not give any indication that Jesus and his mother hold this honor among mankind! Is there any indication? Rather the Bible tells us that he was driven by the devil into the wilderness and tempted 3 times. At adulthood! Is this the quality of God Almighty, being controlled by the devil?

Yet, Muhammad was humble enough to pray his Lord to render his own devil, which may suggest evil and against good, useless. God Almighty accepted his prayer and we know that from the time the first revelations, the last 23 years of his life, Allah granted him is supplications. At long last the devil was rendered useless with him. He was as good as no devil'touched' him. I do not know what you are driving at. Tell me so that I know how to explain it to you.

And by the way, did John son of Zachariah ever committed any sin? The answer is no.

@Alexis: Please ask anyone to read my piece to you. What I said is very direct. I negated all possibilities that Islam of Muhammad and preIslamic could ever be the same. Let me say it in Market woman language; The Arabs before Muhammad did not Make salah. The arabs before Muhammad did not make Umrah, hence what they call hajj, is completely different from Muslim's! The arabs before Muhammad did not make Jumu'ah salah!

What part of it you did not understand? And if you have any proof, please bring it and lets be able to verify your sources! And please don't forget the Surah you had promised. Please its a gentlemanly reminder. lol.

TRinity is the three godhead for you, Pilgrim.1. Is it not it? You introduce Mary into the Trinity, all by yourself. I did not play any role in it. I just simply states to you, if you remove her from it, it is your choice, since am not a christian, it does not bother me. But all I know is that the Catholic, the mother of Protestant, worships Mary, which is 'mother of God!' You confirmed in the 'any former Muslims in here' thread. In there you also made it very clear that Protestant worships Jesus! In either case, the Christians are multiple godhead worshippers!

@Pilgrim.1: Lets assume for a moment that you are correct. But Muhammad spoke about things that Jesus did, that the Bible did not mention. Indeed, the Bible is deficient, in how Mary, the mother of Jesus was able to escape with her life or being flogged, of either of adultery or fornication. How this this happen, because the Bible is not clear about? We have to bear in mind that the Mercy that the Christians are quick to point to us that Jesus displayed on the woman who committed adultery, was not in play then! Jesus could not have said Who ever does not sin, let him cast the first stone!'

However, since the law of Moses was still intact when Jesus was born, Allah provides the answer in the Qur'an; Surah Mariam, Verse 30. Jesus as a babe, spoke, just one time to defend his mother Mariam of the accusation of having a child out of wedlock. If Muhammad did not know Jesus, then no one in Christendom knew him. Then the whole rice pilaf that the Bible cook up, is inedible! At least was bold enough to say that Jesus is no God, there is only One God. Muhammad was kind enough to praise Jesus as well and spoke greatly about the chastity of his mother, Mary.

Your presentation is very weak, but I commend you for trying. Your problem is that you stubbornly and blindly hang your Salvation on Jesus. What is so interesting is that you are a very smart woman, yet religion is a different animal, with you.

@Difidixone: Why are you happy for Pilgrim.1, she did the slight of hands? Thats a trick you find with the Magicians in Tourist destination places, eg. Las Vegas, etc. But in religious matters, she need to do better. She needs to start by being honest. I said that every one except Mary and his son Jesus had a Shaitan created for. That included our father Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Moses. Each one of these noble people is greater than Mary. Is that not so? God Himself created Adam, yet He allowed Shaitan/ who was Iblis before then to seduce him along with his wife. Why? They must come to the earth to populate the eath and they and their offspring be tested, so that the wheat can be separated from the shaft. Hell is waiting for the wrong doers. And Paradise is waiting by mercy of God for the righteous.

Do I need to say more about Noah who God used to wipe out a people given to evil, enmasse for the very first time. What about Ibrahim, who He called His persnal friend, or Moses who He spoke with directly! Are all of these people sinners because they were touched by Shaitan and that a Shayatin is created or assigned for them? But foolishly, the Christians said that Jesus himself, even though he did not have the touch of Shaitan as a baby, but as he finished his 40 days and nights fast, he was controlled and driven into the wilderness and also tested at least 3 times by Shaitan! Which is worse, the condition that only occured as a new born or the one that you are old enough, say 30 years old before you have a bad episode, which is more than mere touching? I leave you to make your own conclusion.

Finally see how Pilgrim.1 played with words. I said shaitan for every persons except 2, Mary and her son Jesus. Pilgrim.1 said What, Please read it in the below quote. You will see how dubious she really is!

The Hadith I quoted clearly says that Satan "touches" every son of Adam on the day of his brith! It does not say that God "created" anyone for Shaitan except two people; for if that were supposed by those Hadiths, then you're effectively saying that everyone (including Muhammad himself) was "created" for Shaitan except the two people aforementioned! My simple question to you is this:
Did 'Allah' create Muhammad for Shaitan - is that
what is stated in the hadiths I quoted earlier, olabowale?

Pilgrim.1, stop, speak the truth and thats better for you! Shaitan created for a person, as to instigate a person to wanna do evil, even though the person may not ever give in is different from a person is created for shaitan. It is as if shaitan is turned loose to control him, without ever receiving support from God, so that he does not have any control over the oppressive quality of Shaitan. Big big difference!

@Pilgrim.1: No, I am never tired of recycling my 'dead brain celle!' Today we see that the Catholic are worshipping Mary. If we use this phenomenon from Muhammad to judge him, as a Prophet, he would have won. For according to yo above, the Catholic were not worshipping mary, when Muhammad said it. But even after he said it, then they took up the same thing he told them that they were doing. Thats a great testament to his prophrthood! Allahu Akbar.

Wa ba mi nbe. lol. Pele.

@Olabowale,
Does the Qu'ran talk about the same prophets found in the OT? Elijah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and are the psalms found in the muslim books?

There are prophets that they have in common. Yet there are that are in the Bible that the Qur'an does not mention. However, the Qur'an and the hadith talk about Prophets and messengers numbering 124, 000. There is no nation that did not have a warner. You restrict your prophet defination to that of the Children of Israel alone. Are they the only people on earth? There were people before them and people after them. There are prophets and personalities in the Qur'an that you do not have in the Bible: Lukman, Prophets Hud, Salih, Shua'ib, are great examples. This alone, proofs that Qur'an did not plagiarise the Bible.

I am trying to establish a level playing field so we can discuss.
You are right that I was quoting from the bible in discussing with Omololu, as he clearly does not have any problem with his faith in Jesus.

The playing field , whether level or bumpy will not be the Bible. As to to Omolulu, you can do whatever, I am also free to do whatever with him and others. But you and me need to focus on pure sense, logic and Oneness of God. I will like to see how you will fuse Jesus into this Oneness of God. Unlesd you belief that God is not in Oneness?

For you however, I want us to see the truth from outside. Anything other than that will immediately be a non-issue, as the bible is full of evdence that Jesus is God. Whilst your Qu'ran is equally filled with statements that He is not.

I am eager to engage you. please lets get to work as you have clearly indicated the Qur'an is full of complete evidence that Jesus is no more than a Messenger of God Almighty.

So, please clarify if the Qu'ran actually did write fully about the works and particularly statements, and Poems from the prophets of old. Or whether they are partial details?

I have indicated to you that the Bible is not an authority in religious matters. You do not have Lukman, Salih, Shua'ib, Hud and others. Indeed do you know how many Prophets wete sent to mankind, starting from thje first of them, the first man himself, Adam and ending with the last of them, who was truly sent to the who of mankind, Muhammad, who have in the rank of his closest companions, males and females, Jews, Arabs, Europeans, Asians, Africans?

The Qur'an only mentions some of the Biblical prophets - but it does not contain their works.
Besides, as for the prophets Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, et al. . . no mention is made either of thos prophets or even the remotest hint of the particular revelations that they had!

Just in the same way that you do not know who Lukman is, Prophet Salih, Hud and Shua'ib are also not in the Bible. But we are talking about God and His Prophet Jesus. This is our topic. Please leave the mundane alone. Unless this is a distractionary process for you. Let talki about One God and how you can justify fusing Jesus into His Majesty as Him!

So we have a problem here. It means that the Qu'ran may be incomplete.
@Olabowale. Is it true that the works and lives of Daniel, Elijah, etc are not found in the Qu'ran? How then can we analyse their prophecies.
Are Prophets not given to bring prophecies to the people. Why then are these men mentioned in the Qu'ran , but their prophecies not mentioned?

Mr. Grouppoint, it seems to me that you are bent on using the Bible to set the stage of dialogue here. We do not have problem because you had said that we will talk out side the Bible and the Qur'an. All I hear from you is going back to the 'none issue!'

God is still alive and no one knows the present condition of Jesus. Except his Creator, alone!

@Grouppoint, Omolulu and my dear Princess Pilgrim.1: As I had indicated in my entries prior to this, Qur'an and OT and its pseudo offshoot, the NT do not have the same source. Qur'an is a prestine unadulterated pure words of Al Rahman, Allah God Almighty. While the Bible has lost its zing. Thanks to the pens of men. A good and glaring example is Saul/Pauls letters! How about those? Is God the speaker here? Is this revelation?

I was talking to a theologian friend of mine in Maryland area yesterday, he said, (He called me by my Islamic name), I think you are in your new year now? I said to him, no. But we are celebrating an important event in the life of father Ibrahim. The event where he was fulfilling the dream of slaughter of his son. He did not let me finish before he said, his son Isiac! I shocked him by saying no. Dr., you are wrong. Then I said, if it was Isiac, that was being slaughtered, why are the Jews how claimed his descendancy and the Christians who have their, 'Lord/God,' Jesus from his bloodline not celebrating it. And carelessly leave this observance to the Wild man Muslims? I said that he should ley me finish my speech before he responded, because it is probably clear to these two groups that it was not Isiac or that they are hypocrites! In either case, it is disgenious and lack of pure faith on their parts. He said, you are right, you got me. Can anyone explain why it is the Muslims that keep this in remembrance? But of course, the muslims are following The Qur'an to the letter, so I am very confidence, it is Ismail and not Isiac.

Considering how bossy the Bible described Sarah, will she allow that Old man Abraham to takr her only child at that old age to any slaughter house, especially when she had forced god to command her husband to send the more purky, younger wife Hagar with the true first son into the wilderness without any adequate provision. We also see that the God of the Bible saide about this innocent Child, who has not done any evil, except that her mother was not the first wife. Is this a just God? But the Muslim God Allah the Almighty does not see color, ethnicity, gender, and any artificial quality, but only faith, God consciousness and piety in good deeds.

@Poster, you will need to proof your statement, without any ambiquity. You just do not throw some thing out there, letting your words roll out of your mouth, without you expecting to provide concrete evidence, for it. Are you an Arab, so as to be a son of the soil, as an expert in your Mother's tongue? Are you are Muslim or what really qualifies you on this matter that you raised? We are all waiting for your Bonafides.

@Pilgrim.1: "some guy," here is Saul/Paul! Aburo, how are you? I wo no fe ki ne te ku? Thats a forgone conclusion. But let me do great things first.

@Omolulu: I hope NEPA has favored you. There is no need to be wishing me death. It is a Hatman decree. Ask Pilgrim, what that is!