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@Davidylan: Oh, and the mother of Protestants are the catholic. Afterall you copycatted their Bible? Remember, except that you changed up, by cancelling altogether 6 or 7 Books from it! And about the wives of Muhammad (as) being my mother, it is a far cry from the Catholic worshipping your god Jesus' mother, Virgin Mary! We in Islam do not worship Muhammad and definitely, we do not worship none of his wives; otherwise, we would not be having 1 God, but many. You know better davidylan. You are trying a smear campaign, because you worship Jesus and then the God of Jesus and then the Holy Spirit that came to Jesus. You have three gods by that alone. Then your Catholic brethren worships mother of Jesus. You guys still call her Virgin after you said that she produced the brothers of Jesus with Joseph the capenter. Tell me how can she remained a Virgin, by any definition after producing some men, specifically after having conjugal relationship with Joseph? Tell me, Dave!

Islam stand separate and apart from all of ya religions; Mother catholic, baby Protestant and Daddy Judaism! Then you have cousins Hindu, etc. David am waiting for your wimpy response. You know that you are losing out in this case.

@Davidylan: Go back to medicine. You know Zero about religion. All my father's wives, are my mothers. All the wives of Muhammad (as), my leader are mothers to all muslims, inluding their own fathers and mothers. Duh! Like I said, go sit down and dissect something.

Alhamdulullah. Whatever the age of Seyida Aisha was when she became our mother, we are grateful for it. Through her, many hadith came to light. In this I have found great joy. Through Muhammad I have been able to know that I can remarry. To an older woman, a widow, a younger woman,etc and i do not have to marry just one, if I have all the acutremens to handle the situations.

Hadith when translated from its original Arabic form, we see that it has a mistranslations, sometimes. However, the soundness of any hadith depends on how many narrations and the people in the chain of each narrations. Finally there is no set of years that every human is to reach puberty. I remember those situations in the 60s and the early 70s, when supposedly young women get pregnant. We reckon with the birth age only, not considering the mental age or the fact that there may be a phenomenon in the equation of each of the person.

I asked Nwando to do a very simple task, she had since disappeared. Leaving immatured minds to go about in a blind rage. As if that will profit a disbeliever. All disbelievers will enter Hellfire, without any exception. Period!

I will be waiting for you Mrs. Nwando, to attempt to explain the conditions of Aisha. We know an authentic hadith, when we read it and put everything in their perspectives. We know the personality of Prophet Muhammad. This is why we have been asking the like of Nwando to step to the plate of truth. There could have been anybody in the chain of narrators who is considered to be a hypocrite or just plainly wrong in the statement made. But regardless, we are greatly educated by her youth relatively to the prophet maturity.

@Pilgrim.!

Dear olabowale, I think your tantrums should cease, please. I often sound out enough warning before I answer people. Where they fail to take my warnings on board, they have never been able to pick themselves up from the dust afterwards

: Pue arrogance. Excite yourself to pardition. I think less of your capability. You have not impressed me from the time I noticed you on nairaland. That you think you are more than a greater beginning than just the fusion of your father's sperm with your mother's egg is pure ego trip. There is nothing more for me to say. Remember that my backyard is empty? I will leave you be. There are other people who are not as pompous. I will discuss with them.

Two east means two directions. Two west means another two directions. Adding the two together is 4. End of story. Ypu do not have to be an engineer to know this.

@Pilgrim.1: Trailing you, you said? What an importance! As the Yorubas say: Alara ni ma ngbe ara e ga. Adiye bere ko to wole! Lets leave that alone. After this response from me, you are to me as if you are on vacation. I respect you, but I do not worship you. You have nothing special on you, other than you are part of Nairaland, and I just can not let you perish without warning you. This is the only reason I tried hard to engage you in dialogue. Remember that you said you may honor my request about wanting to speak with your Dad? Its all about religion, and nothing more!

The two east is accompanied by the two west, in many Quranic verses. Duh! A person who has honesty will speak the truth. Not half truth. I know speaking the truth is very foreign to you. Conveniently, you did not touch on the Satellite orientation towards the Ka'aba for it to work with greatest efficiency. You are an engineering student, you should not forget to ask your department chair of go directly to the Dean of school of Engineering. Somebody in your school aught to know. Is it because of the fact that on the ka'aba, all geoforces is Zero? (This is my own hypothesis, and it may also be true). But I make it very clear that it is my idea. Unlike the three heads of god idea of the Christains, which is riddled with holes like Swiss Cheese. By the time we in Islam begin to talk about it, it has become shredded like Mozerella. The truth of the matter is that Ka'aba is unique and it is the only structure and place on this earth that has that quality. Maybe because it is the center of the earth and of course because there is a similar structure like it directly in the same position in the Seventh heaven? The one man who went to heavens from the earth and came back, (not thousands of years or millions of years or billions of years or trillions of years or whatever, and no other person has done it) and no other man was given this position to witness to all mankind, it the same man who you rejected! He had this whole unparalleled celestrial journey in just a mere part of one night! Thats a sign of what his Lord had bestowed on him from His favor. No surprised that the process of Islam on mankind that began from the moment of the creation of Adam was completed on this honorably noble Prophet and Messenger; Muhammad bin Abdallah bin bani Hashim.

And today, by Allah, there is no single idol in Ka'aba! Thats another miracle; where there was 360, in one single moment there was zero and had remain so in over 1400 years! But for you, you now belong to a religion that has a crucifix or cross, as a symbol. Some crucifixes with no man hanging on it and the rest with a man hanging on it, who wears nothing except a small wrap that only covers the Instruments area. In Islam that is pure nudity! If all of the glorification of the cross, along with the man who is objectified on it is not Idol worshipping to you, in my book, it is pure idolatry.

You have to see how the Jewish jewelers and the Korean/Chinese, etc, are making mints from your kind of people. The bling-blingers! I do not want to be you on the day of Judgement, if you die other than being a Muslim! And by the way, just to know if you even realise that your Bible is confusing, to a person who is not driven by "BLIND FAITH," when Jesus is coming down and you people fly off to meet him in the clouds: (1) Will he be taking you directly to Christian heavens, (without touching down on the ground)? (2) Or he will tell you to hang on in the clouds for some time, (while he comes down to the earth to kill the Antichrist, and rules with justice, because the righteous must be the inheritor of the earth, if we factor in the Psalm verse, which you people rave so much about)? (3) And how are the Christians who will war against the disbelieving Jews going to prosecute the war, from the air/cloud since you are already there, (using apache copters and bunker busters to kill them, what)? (4) And finally if you are already in the air/cloud, is the earth going to be your heavens, or you just don't know? (5) And the fight between you and the disbelieving Jews does not make sense, since your enemy is truly the Muslim, who says that your god is no GOD, give us pure and sensible understanding of these issues. Use your Bible and your own engineering wisdom, even though, you will not be able to do it. Lets know how smart you are and how direct is your Bible to matters of great importance, saving the soul!

@Nwando: Go ask any satellite launching company! Call NASA. Afterall you are a die hard card carrying Republican! Yup, I heard you. If you do not know where to call, just let me know. I am not a Republican, but I have connections. I can hook you up. You will gradually see the different between a real man, me, Alhamdulillah, and the the boys you know! I will show you that I follow the Comforter, Muhammad (as), who calls people to remembrance of what the truth Jesus spake and teached what Jesus left out! You can call the Jet propulsion lab, in California.

Tell me your weaknesses and your limit. InshaAllah, this Muslim will get you where you need to be. I got connection. I can also give you ordinary satellite company in New York City, so that you can find this things out. The easiest thing for you, to do yet, since you live in a backwater part of the USA, is to call your local cable company, they can find the information for you.

If all your effort amounts to zero, then just say so and I will provide assistance, by Allah. Now, if you findout that this is the truth, what will you do? You will abandoned your image worshipping as you have set up Jesus as partner to his Creator? You will come to Islam, with your husband, submitting your will to your Creator? What will you do? This is what I wanna know? As they say, whats in it for me? I only want you to come to the light and be out of the darkness that you have buried yourself in since you turned 17! So make the commitment right now so that the Nairalanders can see how truthful you are, in your conviction.

And all I have to make is just 1 phone call! How about that? I will be talking to its Director or someone who will talk to him directly in honor of my request! Thats Allah's favor I can not deny.

@Davidylan: I gba melo ni mo ti so fun e wi pe o mo nkonkon to ba di oro esin, en? Many times davidylan,you speak out of knowledge. In the Taurah, what was The sorrounding of Jesusalem known as but Phillistine, which is really Palestine. Come on, you did not know that Ibrahiim settled in this city? That was long before Jesus. You are the BIGGEST Liar I have ever heard of. Remember the wind that blew from upstate the last time? That was your lie that covered the whole of Empire state. And by the way educate Pilgrim for me about the birth place of Mormon sect of Christianity. You should know the place. Its not far away from the farm settlemen you live in!

@Nwando: You see how evil your Christian god is in a moment. Like i said you will be nailing yourself on a cross, straight or bent, its all the same.

My dear do you expect the devil to rest when he knows his time is near?
Are we surprised ?
See what his brothers are doing to themselves in Iran.The camp of satan itself is even at war just like the Bible said.
God is awesome.
We are not surprised about the actions of the descendants of the bondwoman Hagar afterall God himself said this about Ishmael,the father of the Arab nation.
See what God predicted concerning these sons of Ishmael as the angel spoke to Hagar the mother of Ishmael.Sarahs handmaid
Gen 16:11 And the Angel of the LORD said to her:

"Behold, you are with child,
And you shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the LORD has heard your affliction.

Gen 16:12

[b]He shall be a wild man;
His hand shall be against every man,
And every man's hand against him.
And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren

How true is this great prophecy

: If truly you have a god in Christianity, be it the son god who walked the street of Palestine, while there was no difference between him and past or contemporary prophets, of his time, while he elicited all functions of ordinary man; eating sleeping, fatigued, defecating and so on and so forth, or the father or ghost god or gods who refused to answer the prayer of the street walking god, who prayed that he does not want to die and neither father god nor ghost god flinched as the son was giving up the ghost on the cross, with a yell that amount to disbelieve or low faith, asking why he was forsaken/abandoned, etc. That god or those gods in the three (3 combined) are unjust in the sense of their action towards the little Ishmael as demonstrated in your Biblical quotes above. I ask you, what did the young son, Ishmael do to your godheads, at that age? Was he not begotten by his father Abraham, through bondswoman Hagar, in full cooperation with his wife bossy Sarah?

From your Bible we see that Sarah allow her submissive husband to force himself on a poor bondwoman, a slave by your collective definition. Thats rape. Yet this bondswoman woman did not complain, yet your gods called Abraham personal friend, through it all! There was no place where he was excoriated for this behavior. Then wham! This woman poor woman and her young son, were ordered out into the the desert with its unforgiven elements. We did not hear her complained, but your godheads had to curse the young son, of the young bondswoman. Then your godheads opened the gate of mercy for old Sarah and Abraham, to have a young son, who came about 13 years after Ishmael! Is there any place in your Bible, the unchanging masterpiece, say from the time of its first inspired verse, words of godheads that this curse of wildmanness, ever was fulfilled on Ishmael? Did he ever behaved like a wildman or killed anyone, ever?

Nwando. Listen up. Open your mind up and your hearing, maybe it could be acute this time. First just because you live in the desert, does not mean you have to be a wildman. Look at Steve Winn of the Las Vegas Casino fame. Look at Senator John Ensign, a native Las Vegan. He is not even 50 years old and he is on his second term as a Republican member of the senate. Where is the wildman quality in these two examples? I can give you plenty more of upright standing desert dwellers, and none of them will be a wildman. If we go by fulfilment of statement as the litmus test of godship, when a diety is called god, by the failure of your 3 headed god, you do not have a GOD. Your combined 3 godheaded god or godheads had failed you, since Ishmael never ever was recorded to behave in a manner that will make someone say that he was probably wild.

But however Issac who was not cursed to be a wild man never faired better that his older brother Ishmael, because they have the same father, still. Abraham never denied being the father of Wildman by name only Ishmael. And you Nwando should be ashamed that you will blame the child that came out of rape. You blamed the mother too. The was an African, a princess from mthe house of Pharaoh, of the time of Ibrahiim. As a princess you can not become a slave or a maid or bondswoman, unless you were captured, by bandits or in war! Was any of the two situation the case, Nwando? You see that you are now in a hole? Try to dig yourself out, please.

From the Qur'anic view, with the explanation in the hadith: In the 6th Chapter, verse 162, Ibrahiim said to his Lord, All my prayers and my good actions, my living and dying is for You, Lord of all creations, and I declare there is no worthy but you and I am the first from my own generation in my time to fully submit to you and say that I am a Muslim. This is a great declaration. God said in many parts of the Qur'an to believers, that do you say you believe, yet I/We shall not test you about it? We will test you because We tested those before you who declared that they were believers.

So Allah the Almighty, commanded Ibrahiim to separate his family, one from the other. He showed mercy by sticking with the older woman, who had been with him for longer, had lived past her prime, she was actually like Ibrahiim, at the stage of sunset of her life. So he took the younger wife, who was still full of life and the little baby, (Unlike the 12 or 13 years of age that your Bible reported at the time of this event. Yet they reported that he carried this almost matured man from Jerusalem to Makka, on his shoulders! This is quite a distance without any doubt. He was about 100 years old. Such a whacked up story, full of obvious holes and unrealistic conditions.) to Makka, a relatively desolated land, but not without any inhabitants. So while he was leaving them behind, the younger woman, his legal wife (because it is not permissable for Prophets of God to be adulterer. God makes sure of it.), asked why he is doing this to them? Ibrahiim did not answer, (any older man with a younger wife will know that the woman is more likely to be shy/bashful and somewhat reserved around the man. I aught to know that) the Hagar said is this from God? And Ibrahiim said yes. She told him that he should go because God ill look after them! And God did!

Let me amuse you of your ignorance of the regrets of Jews: When you talk to anyone of them, especially about Moses and the destination of his people to Palestine, you will hear them say jokingly, that if only he had charted the route slightly different, they would have ended up with the Middle east Oil, which is now in the hands of the Arabs! How about that for amusement?

We see that after Ibrahim left, the story of how Zam Zam water came to be. The events that brought that well about is part of hajj/umrah of the Muslims. Later on in the lives of Ibrahiim and Ismail, they erected the Ka'aba, including the black stone that is the biggest thorn in the hearts of most of you Kafir! Since Ibrahiim never stopped visiting them in Makka anyhow. Further on, Ibrahiim dreamt. In the dream he was commanded to slaughter his son. If you call it the only son, it will be Ismail. There is no way a second son can be the only son. That position is exclusively that of the first born!

Ibrahiim discussed the issue with Ismail anyway. We will see that Ismail must have some qualities of his mother. So he adviced his father that he should carry out the commandment of God, that his father will find him to be cooperating willingly. We will see that the stoning of the Devil, is an action of remembrance of the whispering of the intended slaughtering to the ears of the mother. Mother and son cooperated with Ibrahiim to fulfill the commandment of God. This was the test of Ibrahiim, because we see that God mentioned it in the Qur'an that you, Ibrahiim have passed the test and we ransome the child with this ram!

We see that it is the Muslims that observed this remembrance of Ibrahiim's submission to his Lord's command in through the dream. If Isiaq was that son, we know that the Muslims will still observe it, but will speak the truth about it. Afterall, Mariam was declared the best of all woman. She was not an Arab, and the Arabs have their share of good women! But why don't the Jews observe this remembrance since they want us to believe that Ibrahiim is theirs exclusively? The liars. But why don't the Christians observe this remembrance, too? Both groups know better that they are lying and there is no other way to deny it!

Finally, I wonder if violent is exclusively that of the Arabs since they are from Ismail, vis a vis meekness belongs to the Children of Isiaq, the opposite of Ismail? Check the evilness of the state of Israel and come back and report your finding to me, Nwando. You won't be able to because you hate so much that your heart is devoid of any truth!

@Khai_khai: Right spirit man. Right on. I have no time for you, today. I wanna crush Nwando first. Your case I will leave till after the first. Then i will come after you. So get yourself ready.

And Nwando, you can even task yourself to answer the issue of Aisha that put in front of you! Yet you are so engrossed with her condition with the Prophet of Allah. You would have found out the truth, if you simply yuk it up and try to be honest within yourself. Aisha bint Abi Bakr Siddiq, was born before Muhammad received revelation. She was either 4 or 5 years old. The was the last child of her father. Calculate from there. Do the math, Nwando, and stop all your lies. I am sick and tired of your sick and tired lies, about my leaders in faith. The truth will be staring you wholesomely without any doubt.

@Nwando: To tell you that you lie, when you speak about Islam. That you have no gut to at least speak the truth, if your soul cries for it. That your hatred of Islam, whatever the causation of it, which is more that the 911 event, since you are not really a true yank, has warped your natural sense of fairness when it comes to Islam. Want more, woman? You have a giant size problem. Start with your ADHD condition, first. lol.

@Nwando: Since you love the name Aisha so much, I bet that will be your name so that you can be spared of Hellfire as a destiny! Now relax: But tell me, was Aisha born preIslam of her father or her father had entered Islam before she was born? If she was born before her father entered Islam, how old was she? Do you really know who her father was? What was her father's relationship with Muhammad before Muhammad became a Prophet? What is the age difference between Aisha and Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad (as)?

I wanna nail you to the cross by your accurate answers! If you are in accurate, I will still have a crocked cross to nail you on, courtesy of your dubious websites. I know you are not making any researches, of the materials you enter you enter when it comes to Islam. You just enter materials from any website, as long as it is against Islam. Your hatred is making you act so terrible. You are very blind with rage and you have developed ADHD, because of it! This is my diagnosis of you. Giving the but am a Doctor excuse will not work here. In your Bible we see that it states Doctor heals thy self! You cannot heal yourself. You are not relaxed when you are seeking informations. Learn to relax and start from the get go, from true intention to find the truth, whereever it may lead you. You should seek it from proper Islamic webs. Kore so wun! lol.

@Kokojunkie: I do not know why you are so bent out of shape like this? Afterall, I am a senile, by your claim. I should not be making you this unsettled. I will come to you at my own time today. The reason that I am waiting is that a Christian read something out of his Bible to me last night, and it smacked a slight difference from what had been read in even other current Bibles. I will let you know later. Your ethnicity is not my problem. Your nationality is not mine concern. I do not care what part of the world your bloodline is from.  I started reading the Bible before 1970! You heard of the Apollo 11, and Apollo 13, with the swollen face disease? I was in high school then!

QUESTION : WHAT VERSES IN THE BIBLE, ANY BIBLE HAS CHANGED SINCE 1970 When you claim you read it.

So Far,  NO Answer from you @Olabowale,  but you have made it your place to

1) Decide my ethnicity ( I have no idea how this applies to answering of this question)

2) You have Decided to make it your place to decide how ibos will worship ( again ,  No clue how this is relevant to this as the question is quite straight forward)

3) You have created a new Identity for me,  Longman83,  ( I have no clue how this new identity is supposed to answer my question)

4) You have  even tried to read my life and tell me I am 1 mile away from my home ( Heaven knows where you got that information from or even if that has anything to do with this )

5) You have basically decided someone will have to answer to Lies you told yourself ( I wonder if this person you want to assign me will also read your posts and tell me the meaning in them)

6) You are volunteering to teach me the quran, when I never asked for one or told you I need to read or study one ( I already studied the quran as a kid (attended an islam-oriented school as a kid), I have a software on my pc that is the quran, I have for years done my research on the book and decided it is just as relevant to me as the confucious texts are,  again,  what this has to do with the CLAIMS you made, I have no idea)


Again,  Olabowale,  Are you senile

Are you going to answer the question or keep playing this dodging game in the name of islam The Question still stands based on claims YOU ( not anyone else) but You made,  [/quote

: (1) Mr. Kokojunkie, I do not decide your ethnicity. You told me when I responded to cgift on a thread in Yoruba and you putting your 2 bits in it. And I responded back to you in Yoruba. Then you said you do not understand Yoruba, so I eliminated Yoruba from your possible ethic identity pool. I had further apologised about  my assumption that you are an Ibo man. Ask Nwando, I love Ibo woman, too. So I might have honored you by saying that you are an Ibo man. But stop carrying on about it. it is irrelevant to your issue. Leave me with my Ibo women. That is not to say Yoruba women are number 2. Noooo. I have to make you relax so that I can give you the Nigerian hammer Punch!

Over whelming majority of the Igbos are Catholic Christians. Thats a fact and there are more books in the Catholic Bible that the Protestant Bible! I have just given you verses differentials as many as what is in one of them, that is missing in the other. Or you could look at it from another point of view if you want: As many verses as what the protestants eliminated from their Bible, when they copy it from the Catholic Bible! Let just say X number of verses.

There is a longman83 on this board, who said that he addressed his questions to me, while babs727 answered it. This longman83 claimed that babs727 had made it his issue and he should answer and you being the big Cheerleader that you are, copied part of it in bold/'highlighted,' with your addition of your wimpy trademark-LMAO! You should be ashamed now that you are whining since my answer to the questions. Davidylan should be doubly ashamed because I thought he was truly a tiger. I did not know that that is just his cartoon character!

I said snow has piled up up to mile high on your driveway/walkway. Common, man. Where is your sense of humor. You are so serious and sensitive. You're almost like a stiff. Relax and loosen up.

You are behaving as if you are having a hard time with reality. It reminded me of my very first time that I heard of Riba and its punishment from the Qur'an and the Hadith. Riba is interest, period. And my business was just that. I went into a shock. That was 1988. I abandoned the business immediately and I had to just not do anything for many years.

If you fail to see goodness in Qur'an, how do you think you can force me, to accept your Bible, with so many discrepancies inand no two Bible, of different versions are exactly the same? Me a man who is older than you, based on your parents giving you a Bible when you were young? Further my mother, the woman whose womb I matured, starting from just a fusion of egg and sperm, until she delivered me, suckled me and in her warmth I found protection, was a Christian for many years, until just few years ago. Yet in all those years, she used to prepare my meals in the month of Ramadan, without any complaint. I asked my Lord to continue to keep her for me and forgive her her sins. Amin. I was also married to a Christian woman and roomed with Baptist sect Pastor in the University. You wanna tell me about the Bible? You do not have a clue, Kokojunkie. I am not easily seduced by glitters. I am firm in resolve. Alhamdulillah, my Creator has bestowed His Mercy on me, in Islam.

When you make thorough observations of the Catholic Bible (Douay version)  which has 7 extra Books, side by side with its offshoot, the Protestant Bible, which has 66 Books and 7 Books less (King James Version?), then I will go to work with you. Until then run along.

All the Christians chaired by chairperson, matron Princess Pilgrim.1, are not satisfied with straight, honest to goodness answers. Even it it stared them down, from now till the last person on earth perishes. They forgot that Ka'aba is a very small Cubical, surrounded by the Building, at least on more one cardinal direction, which both make up, the Mosque called 'Masjid Haram.' On the remaining cardinal sides that were not covered of the Ka'aba by the Masjid building are covered by traffic pathway/roadway. This masjid Haram being the centre is surrounded outwardly by the rest of Makka itself. Yet even in the Masjid Haram, everyone, turn there faces to this Cubical called Ka'aba to pray. Indeed the whole of the world turn their faces to it, in prayer, the Ka'aba that is. Those on the west of it will to it, they will be facing west. Those on the north will face it and the south will face south. Why making a big issue of it, after a clear and sound explanation has been provided? We do not face the east, we face the Ka'aba which is our Qublah, a direction! Get a life, Christians!

How come the Nigerians Christians with their tinnie winnie knowledge will restrict us all to the 'East,' as our direction of prayer, knowing fully well that the ka'aba is our Qublah! They do not even realised that every Satellite launched into space can not function if the satellite is not orientated to focus on the Ka'aba. Thats part of the miracles of the Building! There is no other structure of its kind in any religion and any part of the world.

@Davidylan: Dafidi! I wo omo yi o ni nkon se. If its Spring break time now, I probably will ask you to go chill out somewhere. Away from, the nudity, anyhow, while you are there. It just does not befit a Bible thumper. Yet it is the Nudity that pack them in in some Churches.

Davidylan, you answered nothing. All you do is bellow/roar like the TIGRE you are. Nothing behind it. Are you Elijah, the Messiah or the Prophet? They asked John the Baptist and then they asked Jesus. Please put their answers, side by side for me. And the rest of the Muslims on Nairaland. We wanna compare. Who would be incorrect, any one of the two noble prophets or the writer of that piece in the Bible?

@Kokojunkie: Ol boy, go sedon. Am chatting with my boy David. We go a long way. Its cold in Ohio and your drive way is probably a mile high. Go do some snow blowing. I answer your Longman83 masterpiece of a question and since then you can sleep. Why don't you compare the Bible of the Mother catholic with Baby Protestant, and tell us the Muslims, if the are the same by Books alone, before we go into Chapters, Verses and words. You are talking about dictionary, so define Comforter for us and while you are at it define corrector as well. Giving full meaning of them, I will give you a full blown Characteristic of Muhammad so that you will know that Muhammad is the Comforter. If you dispute right now, i will ask you to tell us, the Muslims, if the Comforter ever surfaced in the Christian community since Jesus is claimed to have said it in the Bible?

I will also give you a clear Picture of the Qur'an being the Corrector of what you have in your hand. Afterall, you said the Tourat is not the Bible, yet you have it in the Bible? Whats going on explain if you can, please?

Alhamdulillah, somebody is answering your issues, already. Take him on, Kokojunkie.

@Pilgrim.1: I answered your questions above. Yet still repeat it. maybe you want auwal87 toanswer it? If i were to advice him, I just say copy what i wrote and call it a day.

@davidylan: Check entry # 147, on this topic, I have answered your concern. It is in the colurm 4.

@Davidylan: If there is a religion that is closer to Ogun or any Idol form of worship between Islam and Christianity, it is Christianity! Islam destroyed 360 idols from the Ka'aba, and others from other locations. Even though Christianity is not reported to have destroyed any physical idol, but even the Idol of the heart and physical idols were erected after Jesus left theearth. Davidylan, you should consider that you are almost as bad as Ogun worshipper. The Idol of the hearts your erecting Jesus in your heart and mind as god along with God. Physical idols are his mother Mary, and other saints, the several type of paintings and indeed the Crucifix/Cross that a large portion of the Christians have hanging on their neck, etc, etc. David, wake up men!

@davidylan, you are really a classic Christian. Duckin, weavin, boppin and doing a rope-a-dope . You refuse to answer any of my questions, yet you are quick to ask  a barrage of question! when are you going to quit. I wear my pants to by a tad below my belly button. And with a belt, always. Its you who is searching for a fallout shelter, since you can even answer jack. You don't even try. You are married now, because the energy is gone out of you. I already answer your questions with my entry to longman83 or Kokojunkie. You should read it. I know you are not ready for any reality check, yet. Answer my questions and see my classic coming straight at you.

@Wordsmith: You are right. How about you taking a crack at my question: If Jesus is met by the Christians in the cloud, will Jesus touch back on the earth, or you all remain in the cloud or just go to Christian without any substantial delays? I will give you all night to prepare yourself for my entries. i am going to slam you harder than davidylan.

@Davidylan: Baba agba, 1000 to the power 1000 gbosa for you. The Muslims are expecting Jesus as he had left the earth; a grown man. Not as a baby. The second question, it is only known by the Sender of Jesus son Mary, his Lord Allah the Almighty. You, me, Jesus, no one knows. Did you see my entry about Antichrist? My question to you are you going to try to answer it? Don't forget that you are a Tiger and you ain't backing down for no body, no how.

Again will Jesus be touching down on the ground since the Christians will meet him in the clouds. I guess you will just go home to Christian heaven. I wanna know this and again i have a classic for you.

@Nwando: Hey baby, where is my double talking? Or rather how am I double talking? Obigeli, answer me? lol.

@Nwando: Why are we calling each other names? Today, am truly a Lover and and sincerely not a Fighter.

Thank God for what he's saving your girl from
Bless you immensely.
Jesoul answered you well.
You must be sure she is truly a Christian.She must profess her faith and be baptized as a seal of her belief.
Then you both must attend Bible studies where she'll learn of the Lord.
It won't be easy to switch from mohamedanism to faith in Christ but with God all things are possible.
She may need a deliverance session too.
Please keep us informed and all the very best!

: My lady, we in Islam are not mohamedanism. This is your one ism on us. Muhammad (as), was also a Muslim. It is very sad that you, a grown woman, would not advice this young man, to stop fornicating with your gender sister. Is this how you convert people, in the mist of evil deed known as fornication? Now, I can only tell you that if the so called Muslim woman is truly a sincere Muslim woman, she will never be involved in fornication. If she is matured enough, she should be married, to a Muslim man. She is doing a double evil deed, with a person who is exposing her to the whole Nairaland, except her name is withheld.

If she changed her religion, it is not because of anything that will benefit her soul, but a means of hastening toward a disastrous end. I pray that she reads this and drop this evil deed.

@Pilgrim.1

It will help to refrain from these childish allegations and hiding behind your finger. If you want to discuss, show your mettle and let's look into historical antecedents - and not all this backyard pointing of fingers that appear every now and then in your storylines.

You should have known that your posts leak right through every asumption you make; for if you ever took time to read through the Mormon so-called 'Bible', you would recognized immediately that it is not what it claims to be. That is why I asked you to cross from Nevada and into Utah so that you come back with more sense that the otiose remarks you boast about on the Forum.

Everytime you claim to have contacts, we just dey bleach the hypocrisy. Any more we can help you expose? Nevada koo. . . Never-die nii!

: You should ask the Mormons if they are Christians. Not my problems. I know better. I have more than a passing relationship in Las Vegas. If you are squabbling with other Christians about their Bibles, you should use the same wisdom that you are using to engage your academics, to think about the reality that is staring you down without flinching.

Even the Shia can not boost of a different Qur'an. Yet they have a different concept in some things in Islam. None in will say that Jumu'ah pray is not important. Or change it to another time. But in Christianity, you see you have 7 day adventists who go to Sabbath, yet they are Christians!

@Nwando:

she must first be a Christian then and you'll not be getting married to a Muslim girl.
My good friend did just that,today she is happily married to a fine Christian and raising kids in the midwest.

The scripture jesoul gave forbids Christians from marrying Muslims.
God has no union with belial

: If they die in their present state of disbelief, they will be fuels for Hellfire. But the Mercy of Allah is unlimited. Look, my own mother became Muslim at 80! Who knew, but Allah. I still harbor hope for you Nwando. I do not want you to die as keferi. You know what they do to them in the morgue and if you ever see them in the Funeral home, it is an unpleasant experience. Many of my Muslim friends who are medical Doctors do not like to go help in the shrouding of dead body.

Omode yi, I wo Nwando, ma ku si keferi o.

@Davidylan: I wo omo yi, o ni pa mi. Jeje mi ni mo nlo o! I give you my Lagos excuse. Let me ask you this if Allah says in the Qur'an that every creation shall taste death. Then in another, states that Jesus was not killed and was not crucified. Yet in another, He says that He raised Jesus up. Still, in another He says Jesus is going to come back. And yet in another, He says that every face will perish (die), except His own Face. All these verses are to be fulfilled before the Judgement day. Then how do you think that Jesus will not die, as per all of the above from the Qur'an, when he returns? It is you who have this convoluted crazy idea (thinking), that you are going to meet him in the cloud and grow wings (my idea), and go with him to whereever. I guess the Christian heaven. lol. I always enjoy your style, Davidylan. So do not mind me. Pilgrim said am running low on antidepressant, anyhow. Yet am surrounded by many Doctors in my life. She sees my condition all the way from ilu oyinbo! Orishi rishi. Am using Mrpataki's favorite expression.

Now David, Jesus is coming down from the cloud, according to the Christians, you fly up or spring up to meet him in the cloud. He will be coming down to the ground and you will come with him? Or he will  not come down to the ground, because you people, are already in the mid air, like airplanes or gliders, because you have taking up like space shuttle/rocket anyhow? When you give me an answer, I have a classic for ages as my response to you. If this will not turn you off from Christianity, I will go into BIG DADDY mode on you. But let me give you an inside track to my two part question, depending on if he touches the ground or not since you have rush precipitately to join him before he reaches the ground. Its about Antichrist and his duties. I will look at it from the Biblical points of view and then give you the KO punch! My famous jib jab!

Ten gbosa for you. No. thats too small. 10 raised to power 10 is more like it. Enjoy.

@Kokojunkie: My brother relax. InshaAllah, I will not be too busy to respond to you. But one thing is this, are the catholic not Christians? Is the protestant sects of Christianity not an offshoot from Catholicism? Is not the catholic Bible the mother of the protestant Bible? If you use the analogy of the Chicken and the egg, Catholic sect of Christianity has to be the Chicken that laid the first set of Christian protestant sects. It is the Chicken that incubated it and allows it to hatch to chicks. Yet, it is this chick that is trying to be the Hawk that is trying to eat its benefactor, mother hen for lunch! Pilgrim.1, my Princess knows what am talking about. she has a field day bashing them on some threads. I have seen her handwork and i have asked her to show her claimed similarity of Catholic to Islam, or vis versa. Am still waiting and she aint done it yet. This is my ebonics and am sticking to it. lol.

You have your answer from the two Bibles. I will come back for you, tonight. But Babs727 already answered your Bible misery about Verses missing or relegated to common footnotes in others. But you refuse to read and you are talking about snow in Ohio. You will be blowing all night! Your neighbors will be taking your pictures and sending them to National geographic to illustrate the conditions of indigenous Africans in America! Do not do it. Its best that you change religion! Islam is waiting for you. We need to have everybody in igbo to be in it. You got to be in it to be a winner with God.

Are the Igbo catholic not Christians? It will be interesting to hear your view on this one. I will have something to talk to Dr. Valentine Okeke about.

@Pilgrim.1 and davidylan and Mrpataki: Could anyone of you define, 'Correct?'

Please my people, do not insult one another to the point of going so far to insult family member and those who are dearly loved by your adversaries. We can not from either position catch flies with a bowl of vinegar. Instead we should use honey. Qur'an teaches us not be unjust because of our hatred of evil deeds committed by others. It also teaches us not to be unjust because of the evil deeds that are being committed on us. Please let us calm down or walk away when the anger is boiling and we can not control it. Please everyone. Further do not be dishonest in your approach to any issue so that you may agitate your opponent to the point that you may be disrespected.

Please school up and come over, if you're regretting living in darkness. No be my fault that the Qur'an declares clearly that Christians are scholars. Lol. . . as for Muslims, the very Arabs from which Muhammad arose was directly said to be most ignorant and hypocritical. Did the Qur'an say so or not?

: The Qur'an never declared the Christians as scholars of true scriptures in the sense you are trying to smuggle it to us. Of course, Makka was less educated, by and large than Christian Habrah Yemen/Ethiopia. The Purity of OT and NT were already compromised, as corrupted Books by the time Muhammad became a prophet! What is great scholarship about a good knowledge of corrupted material. It will not benefit the one who holds that knowledge, because truth will overcome it, when they meet. This is why we have a branch of knowledge studied by the Orientalists amongs the Christiansand the Jews. Yet the same does not oocur in the Islamic Matriculation Institutions.

In Biblical Schools/Seminaries, they study Islam as a course. One of my friends' husband is in Columbia University here in Manhattan doing so. I told his wife that the husband should ask me any questions, if he wishes. You Will think that he will take advantage of that. But no! Probably he had been told not to discuss with Muslims about any of the course work. It is his lose.

Pilgrim, if you truly read the verses of the Qur'an you think you can cajole us with, you will find that the Lord Almighty is telling the Muslims, Muhammad being the first in his community that this people, the peoplre of the Books, should know the truth when you tell them. Then God says in many verses of the Qur'an how the people of the Books, Jews and Christians who claim that they are more enlighten that the ragtagged Muslims, sold the pure words of God for cheap price, changing/doctoring the Books of God to fit your leadership contemporary agendas, even though, it is against the will of the Creator: raising a prophet and scholars to positions of god besides God Almighty, as intercessors, while you have no proof directly from God, denying other prophets and eliminating completely parts of the laws of God, even though you leave it as you may leave something (decorative),which is beautiful and valuable, but you refuse to acknowledge or put it into its proper usage. A good example is the first commandment, to illustrate the point, but the Christians chose to elevate Jesus, at least by the Protestants to god with his Creator, while the Catholic turn to his mother, Virgin Mary in the same manner.

But why do they still call her virgin, when the whole Christian population says that she had other children for Joseph the capenter. I am very clear that a virgin is a person who never had experience sex. Except if the Christians just freeze Mary's condition in that 'dt' a differential time, just before she had sexual experience with Joseph. Maybe it is the same way they did not call Jesus god in the Bible until Saul/Paul and others declared him, later!

We in Islam said that she never was married and she was a virgin throughout her life! And we mentain that Jesus was a honored Prophet/Messenger!

@Pilgrim.1: It is true that you can delude yourself that Allah has no power over you. Thats only in your own false world. There are worse people than you, who call themselves god and some less who call themselves prophets. But step out of that egotistical stage for a moment: look back at your youth; before you became a woman, which what you are now. If anyone ever tells you that you will be this grown say 20 years ago, would you have believed it?
Give yourself another 30 years, then reality will set in. InshaAllah, I will still be alive. Maybe you will be able to tell me then, if Allah hads power over you! Your University professors have power over you. Yet they are mere human beings. maybe among them their is a Muslim Engineeing Professor from Asia or Arab extractions. See how waek your thinking is in that statement. The Professors, or rather the departmental chair can guarantee your inability to or not to graduate from the school.

Below, in Surah Anbiya 23:88, also in 15:92/3 Allah says He is the only One that ansk question, no one can ask Him. Further in still in Anbiya, you will read in verses 26-29, the complete Lordship of Him over everyone else, which include Jesus, the innocent man of God you have conveniently lied against, just because he is not earth to deny your assertion. But he will deny it as stated in Al Maidah, plainly in view because his Lord will bring him out to do so.

And please answer Deut. 18:18 while at it; Compare the answers of john the Baptist against the answer of Jesus, about who the Elijah is, Messiah is and, 'who is that Prophet?' Three personalities answered/described by two contemporary prophets, who were cousins of each other! Please table your answer in chart form for us to see!

No! thats my answer. The reason is that you are pkainly a Kekeri. If you do not know what it is, ask other Christians. They will tell you what it means!

@Davidylan: Instead of just asking the Muslims to answer questions, while you deflects every questions raised by the Muslims, please answer this for me: I love you regardless of your sure failure to do a good job of it. But I want you to try, as a Tiger, you got Guts, unlike the Yellow belly Jelly belly folks;

Deut. 18 verse 18; Please give me the answers of the two individual personalities: John the Baptist first and Jesus son of Mary second. Compare their answers to each other on the three persons/Prophets in the question: Elijah, Messiah and 'that Prophet?' This is my fisrt and I have already answered your man's question. Longman83, that is.

@Kokojunkie: I read Bible pre 1970. Post 1970, the freshmen were served different Bibles! I am not going to compare experiences here! However, you sound like an Igbo man, and if am wrong, since I do not know what I do not know, I apologise. But by and large, the Igbos are mainly Catholics. Whats your explanation to the difference of their catholic Bible versus your Bible if you are not a Catholic? Your answer will be interesting to know. Let me talk about another subject: the Anti-Christ versus why not Anti-Muhammad?

Straw-man tactic; another irrelevant point! I did not ask why Muhammad isn't sent to take on the anti-Christ; that was not my question! I asked why this arch-false prophet and leader of the greatest apostasy yet against God's message is designated after the Christ (anti-Christ) rather than after God's prime apostle in Islam, Muhammad? Why is he called the anti-Christ, and not, for instance, the anti-Muhammad, or anti-Muslim?

P.S. You know, there's is nothing wrong with saying you don't know the answer to my question - and I say this in good faith, not sarcastically.

: As I entered my morning Prayer this morning, my heart wondered to the defeat of the Confederate in Surah Ahzab. I remember that in Id's Takbir, the Muslims say about Allah, 'And 9(Allah, you) singly defeated the aggressive Confederates.' And there was my answer.

So I supplicated to my Lord and search the Qur'an and the tafsir of many ayah. I realised that in the Qur'an Musa and Muhammad individual status were very clear, and never were in dispute by their people. In the case of Isa, his mother had to be defended and honored, as appropriate against the lies of her people. Isa also had to be defended against the refusal of the Jews and then the over compensation of the Christians who set him up as a partner or lord beside his Creator.

We also see in the Qur'an that Moses defeated Pharaoh, who was a mighty civilization and Muhammad defeated the Idolators of Makka. These two prophets of God were believers while they defeated by God's permission the disbelieving powers of their time. They also were accepted as rulers over their peoples.

In the case of Jesus, he was never a success as a ruler over his people. Infact, they rejected him. He did not defeat any one. infact the Christians report in their Bible that the Jews, his people killed him, with help of the Roman ruling people.

Now that Jesus had failed in the two tests, Allah will use him amongs the signs of the end of time. He will be returned as stated in the Qur'an. He will practice Islam as already established by Muhammad. He will not lead it, but a member of it. He will be a just ruler and he does not have to be the Imam, while he is a just ruler. In this state the Anti-Christ, who will be the sign of disbelief of his time, will be raised up to challenge him! Jesus will defeat him and have his victory. He will be accepted by the believing people any way, but he will kill the pigs, break the cross and judge according to Sharia of his Lord. He will live out his life and dies, for the very first time.

And the Muslims never considered Jesus to be false prophet, anyway. We just say that he is no god or lord. He never said that anyone should worship him, while he was alive. If you have any proof, please bring it out. All the lord/god, worship mambo jambo, was after he had been raised up. I am waiting and I only have 30 minutes before I start preparing for Good Friday!

Only a fool will take Pilgrim.1 seriously. Her one liners and other gimmicks are a means of release of her frustrations, if any at all, or certainly, a means of supressing her core insincerity of the the soul! How can a person who has a good soul enters Islam and later leaves it? It is impossible! Only bad soul does leave Islam! The core tenet of Islam is very direct: There is no God but The One True God. Worship This God alone and do not erect anything else. This alone is enough. Whoever continues to do otherwise, is being seduced by the Evil one. Right now the Evil one is whispering into both ears of Pilgrim.1. She hears nothing else. Her heart is harder than stone. There is no tenderness in it. Leave her alone. Do not grieve on account of her action. But people have done worse and they come back, if God wills success for them. I hope as she gets older reality will hit her. However I pity those who are older and  clearly on the wrong path. Or those who died as non Muslims. I have couples of those in my bloodlines. I can not do anything for them. Their books have been written. The pages are already filled with their deeds. The greatest evil deed was their individual association of something with God Almighty.

I read Al Qur'an, more than just One style of writing. You Pilgrim.1, do not know anything about Qur'an. So stop pretending about it. This is a matter of Spiritual knowledge. It is way beyond your level. We know that the father of Moses is Imran, the same father of Haruun. You never answered my question why Adam, Noah, Ibrahim did not call their Creator father, too. Are they not Bible Prophets? Please its just 5.24 here. i need to get to my salah. I will not waste my time with you. I need to ckean up, properly. That is not something you are required to do anyway. So you will see me soon, InshaAllah. Get ready for a face to face discussion.