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The question u used is incomplete, u should have asked like this "did christians who served and believe God and the coming of christ go to heaven"? Christians before christ believed in the coming of christ and they killed animals and used to blood for washing them clean of their sins that was what they believed.God's judgment on his people was more severe and harsh compared to now (Jesus became our advocate after he died), remember rafira's and co?

I can't help it but to copy the entry of MP007, directly above! If it is true that serving and believing in God, and the coming of Christ qualify any one to go to heaven, then as I have said in my entry in some thread about 3 weeks ago, the Muslims are already part of the people of Paradise! (Olowo Tee, Nwando, Davidylan, please chalk this one up for the Muslims and yourselves!

My man MP007, kinda surprised me, when he said that, 'Christians before Christ believed in the coming of Christ, ' You guys already know what am going to do with you? Put all the Christians on defense, get ye back! at least get MP007 to defend his stand, one way or the other! My question is this: Was there any Christian before Christ Jesus son of Mary? I wanna know. I demand an answer from al ya people! lol. Nwando, Davidylan, where is the answer? Help your brother MP007, please!


MP007 was sincere enough to tell us that Jesus became the advocate of the Christians. Advocate is like the Lawyer or like the middle man? Either way the same position we found Moses with the general population of Children of Israel, even up till this very moment. Yet the children of Israel never called Moses son of, 1/3 of or God! Yet Moses miracles and influence were greater than that of Jesus. Moses was the law giver! He had control over who lived and died amongst them. Jesus did not have either, but the exaggerators would not but win hearts and minds, indeed souls of the GENTILES with their rope a dope! (Thats Muhammad Ali's gimmick against young George Foreman in the '74 Rumble in the Jungle fight in Kenya!) Or is this advocate position like what the idol worshippers place their idols? If it is, then the Jews are correct to say that the Christians are Idol worshippers! Davidylan, I told you so. Have a great day at whatever you will do today. Olorun Olodumare a je ko di Imale, to ni igbagbo ninu Olorun kon. Iam sure Nwando knows more Yoruba than me. So stop fronting. Biko, Omo girl!

@Focused.

You make me laugh (Don't laugh too much. Its a sign of poor faith. Be modest when you laugh. Don't behave like what Lagbaja wanted in his 'Feyin Music Video!

I have a feeling you know the truth, but you are delibrately choking the truth. (It is the truth that led and has kept me in Al Islam! Your Christian women are attraction, not because they are better looking, but because they are eager, for the most part display the Wares/Jewelries for you to see and if you are eager to take it for a spin, you are welcomed to do so. But I fear Allah Almighty and I hate to associate partnership with Him. I will not count a mere mortal, a Jew who only lived for 33 years, which I had surpassed since the early part of '80, as 1/3, when I have the wholesome Supreme being as MY RABB!

For anyone to know if something is from God, you have to test the spirit. So far Islamic spirit have been tried and tested, it shows it is from the kingdom of darkness. (Yet the Muslims says that they seek protection with Allah Almighty from the Accursed Satan (The darkness chief himself)! You dey play like playa too much!

(1) Propagating or spreading a religion with force or threat of force is certainly not from God. Human being are created to have choice either to do good or evil. All you can do is convince them with the word of God, and let God do the rest. You don't threatened them with death. Force can only work for a while, but convincing people, with the help of God last a life time. (So tell me what happened to Moses and his successor's destructions of so many city states in order to established the Israelite settlement after they were emancipated from Egypt, in the EXODUS of the Bible? That was from God or the devil? In Ijebu Ode, there was no story any forced conversion. So was the story of the Owo people in Ondo State. Whats happening now that the Igbo people are tripping over one another to enter Islam? Forced conversion is going on in today's Nigeria? Just ask Nwando, who is saddened that her Uncle is a Muslim! I am working hard to get into her head. InshaAllah, with her whole family, they will enter Islam. Amin! Now google and enter "Christian Missionary Atrocities." Come back and tell us who is using for, money, deceit in speech and deeds, military comparative advantage, etc?

(2) Promoting Hatred of other faiths (especially Christians, Jews and other religious beliefs) because they don't practise Islamic religion is not from God. God is love. (I pointed out to you the US General who spoke about his Christian God bigger than Muslim God. What about the US Attorney General after 911? These people and their statements, you conveniently shun. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeezeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (Thats for Davidylan and Nwando. Thanks guys.

(3) Aggressive violence is not from God. Vengeance is for God not for human beings. Why do muslims find it very hard to forgive and forget ? Certainly that religion is not from God. (Look around. Nations gathered together against who? Not Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, or any other. They gathered against Islam and the Muslims. Islam they will never be able to defeat. To do that you have a formidable FOE to deal with; Almighty Himself! The Muslims can easily be defeated because, we are not practicing as we should. When a Muslim has the gut to nickname himself, 'EVIL GENIUS,' we already know we are very far from the truth. However, Christianity is not a true religion of GOD. Just imagine if a good Christian were to become a Muslim? He or she will be better than God! Imagine a bad Muslim to become a Christian, he or she will be worse! That is the truth!

@Davidylan: My dear nephew. I would love to call you a son, but that will be
presumptuous of me. I really don't know howamiable you are to it all, since I
am a Muslim. I know how you dislike Islam.

But the point is this, I have responded to the matter of plagiarism that is such a
fish bone sticking your throat., making you bleed profusely. Listen you wanna
talk about it, there are over 6000 ayah in the Qur'an, how many is plagiarised?

Lets talk about it. There are 114 chapter, which one you wanna tackle first.

Lets be civilnabout it and not jumping all over the board. Line your people up.

InshaAllah, we will alleviate your concerns.

@Nwando: Why don't you sum up courage and read Suratul Najm, verses 17 to 25. And since
you have a none combative nature, from your slogan of being a lover not a fighter, above, then
read the Tafsir of it on line. Google Tafsir ibn Kathir and get a thorough education. You are already
married, but I could invite you and your partner as my guests, for a pure Islamic education. I will
have you meet men and women of understanding. If thats what you prefer.

But please stop all this intentional lies! It is really unbecoming! You are an intelligent woman. Allah
warns in the Qur'an that people should not be unjust because of their own hatred. In another place
the Merciful further warns that just because someone has hatred toward towards you, you should not
be unjust. Two warning, and they completely negate injustices of all forms.

There is zero idol(s), inside, outside the Kaaba. And my face has never prostrated and I have never
bowed to any Idol! Yet I am an Ijebu man. But Islam took all of that nonsense from my bloodline!

Suratual Azhab, verse clearly states that Muhammad is the father of any of you men,
Clearly, Muhammad lived in very early generation to have been my father. i am living
right now. Muhammad lived over 1400 years ago. If Muhammad is my father, then it is
a miracle that Muslims have not really acknowledged. But thanks for pointing it out to
us!

AS to Jesus, the last time I checked, Christianity only borrowed his name. Jesus himself
was not a Christian! He did not start the religion, and he had no role in formulating its
concept. Maybe TayoD wanted to say Saul who later became Paul, but Jesus was a more
presentable name anyway.

Please present your evidence, side by side so that we can compare the Verse 32 of
Surah 5, with your supposed plagiarised sources; Babylonian Talmud and the Mishnash?

And whoever call people bastards, and if they are truly not bastard, the statement will
actually return to the speaker as a curse.

@Pilgrim.1: My dear sister Stranger 26 gave you a complete answer. I only gave you what I believe you
deserved. She, Stranger 26 was very generous. If you are honest, she and me did not disagree in any
way. We both agree that there are 73 sects/groups, in Islam, will not not be more and will not be less.
Only one will go to Paradise without tasting HELLFIRE at anytime! The other 72 will have to taste it based
on the degree of deviance.

However, all 72 Christian sects, and all 71 Jewish sect along the primetime/ main stream idol worshippers,
plus the Atheists, will go to Hellfire, directly. All will be herded like Cattle into Jahannam. It is a Hatman decree.

I thought you might like the surety of the Forgone conclusion of Hatman decree!

@Focused: Is there a Babyosisi in the house? I don't think so!

Anyway google Tafsir ibn Kathir and have a great time getting some
spiritual knowledge that your soul need for a change.

@ The Poster: Islam has its name derived from Salaam, meaning peace. And Silm
meaning complete entry. What is your point? Lets me quote what think may be acceptable
as statement of Jesus from the Bible: Physician heals thyself or remove the Timber (my own
wording) from your eye, before the speck on my eyelashes!

Go tackle the issue of Christian nations first, in their evilness against mankind and specifically
against Islam before you have the reason to talk about Islam. You see the Christian nations
having fair weathered friends; they use you to their satisfaction and throw you to the dustbin!

They are not judicial across the board! They protect even an evil leadership, it it helps to do
their biddings. They instigate the outright destructions of even a good leadership, if the leader
not dance to their own tunes!

Take a chill pill and chill out for a while!

A wise businessman is already selling the bears. (Buy a few and send me some, for your Christmas! lol.

My main man davidylan, hello. Are you there? Anyone home? I was mad at first, but Allah from His
Mercy calmed my heart. I see how people could be led astray my a traumatic event(s) in their live! You too,
Nwando. I am truly a Lover. It unlike your slogan, which depicts, the exact opposite of your behaviour!

@Focused: Almost allthe time your mannerism is actually the antithesis of your board name.
Focus man, focus!

Now to your entry above:

@cgift :

Thanks for the response. I am waiting when the muslims will call on the god (allah) to come and reveal himself or herself to people. (When any of the 1/3 godhead or the 3 of the 1/3 appear(s), to prove lordship for the Christians, immediately, you will see that Allah Tabaraka wataAllah, the God of all creations, (The Irresistible, full of Power, Supreme), will shot it down! Read Surah Al Maidah, Chapter 5, verses 115 to 119. Thats whats gonna happen to Jesus son of Mary, before his Lord, in the presence of all mankind in the day of Judgement. You will know that Allah is the True God Who HOLDS AUTHORITY over all things!

The question is : Is it right to fight for God ? (Did Moses fight for God? Did Moses lead many battles at the commandment of God, against people who you may consider innocent, in todays standard, because they did not initiate any war? Yes, Moses did! moses fought for God! SE doun de ar, Mr. I no go fight 4 God! It is very convenient that you should forget the American general, who since the invasion of Iraq, said, many times before the gathering of the Christian conservatives, that his God is Stronger/better/bigger than the Muslim God! Yet, they wage war on the smaller, weaker God's people! I did not see that with USSR, the society that did not even believe that God existed, in all the decades her communism survived!

Let God come out and reveal himself to people since he is the one who created people and know how to handle things (You are more a disbelieving man, an atheist, than those who say it with their mouth. Your heart speaks it loud and clear! You are not even a Christian, because at least they believe in something! The atheist section is not this thread. Another response like that from you I will ignore you, until I respond in the atheist column.

They moan when anything happen to their satanic verses(Quran) but they have done worst things to christians and will continue to do so. (Show me the satanic verses in the Qur'an and lets talk about it, as matured people. Then show me when in history that Muslims as a body, in one shot has ever done worse, according to you to Christians? In the Spanish Inquisitions, the European Pogroms, the Many Crusades, the 2 world wars or what? Tell us, Mr. Focused!

If the quran is deserated, so what ? (Real you may be right. The Qur'an is already inscribed in the hearts of the Believers. However the Christians should desecrate their Bible at the town Square, first. Then go desecrate the Taurah of the Jews. Then go to the Hindus Book and do the same. Infact, do every other religions holiest books, what you think you can do to Islamic book. If you survive intact as a living man, then I will not complain when you show your ignorance and disrespect to the Qur'an!

I see no reason why the student should be expelled for it anyway. (If your heart ever holds any ounce of belief, then God helps us all!

Am in Manhattan. As Salaamualaykum. May Allah make us all people of Paradise.

Amin.