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@Kokojunkie:Yourvictory lap makes sense, only to you and the rest of Christianity. I do not have to reread the Bible. I read a version in high school, which is different from what the sets that came just mere 3 years after me had to read. My mother had English and Yoruba Bibles, in the house. Thank Allah, she reverted just few years ago, into Islam. The best event of my life, yet. I have spoken to many people, especially Igbos who are now Muslims. I didn't do anything, but Allah did everything. Its like the event of throwing a fist full of sand, by Muhammad in the direction of the Makkans, in the first fight, which the Muslims fought against the disbelievers of Makka. Its known as the Battle of Badr.

Badr is a well, so they named the fight after it. Mercy of this battle is that before the parties engaged themselves, it just so happened that Muhammad and his just over 330 ill equiped men gained the groud/position that included the well. When the makkans needed water, the Muslims allowed them. Just tell me is there any group that can do that? That did it before  and even since, including the last crisis and currently going on between peoples? If one had an advantage to over the other in terms of msuch aresource, it is employed to make the other weaker, so that easy victory could be archieved!

When Muhammad threw the sands, the Makkans who participated in this war, but later became muslims, told us that the grains went into their eyes and made their sight very poor. Instead of seeing straight, they began to see doubles and thriples! Allah says in the Qur'an, Muhammad, you did not through the sand, it was Allah's hand that throws! It simply means that God worked throw normal humqns, His elects to do the work, archieving glory, victory and a sign of support for the elects. Your case is a strange case indeed. The Yoruba you ask me to read, you do not read and you do not speak. I am not assuming, but going by what you said to me about three weeks ago.

A Theologian friend of mine, who is visiting his friend in Ohio, currently said to me that he as a prophet, and of course he heard me calling him a liar, immediately, will not come into Islam, not because he disagrees with it, but he can not leave his position of honor and the family tradition! Yet as he introduced me to another theologian, who is in London, immediately in just a very direct manner, God willing the revertion is just any moment. It is the heart my guy! Your effort to yell and and write hastily, will not help you. I disected your Bible you asked me to reread it, after I have read it for academic purposes for 5 years, lived with my mother all my young live, roomed with a baptist pastor in College and later married to a Christian woman for 7 years. What is in the Bible that I do not know?

Which version, which edition, which publication, which one truly is the Bible that can represent 'Bible?' Yet I have not factor in the Catholics versus general Protestants Bibles and of course, the other groups of what the Protestants and probably the catholics, since I have not heard it directly, will call Cultists! You on the other hand never in your life had any tangible contact with the English translation of the Qur'an. they now have the Igbo version, so there is no excuse for you. One of my questions to intelligent Christians and Jews is this; Why will you leave the remembrance of the slaughter of Isiac, by his father Ibrahim to the children of the wild man Ishmael? Is it because you have little faith in the story or just thaat you have no faith at all? Its always begging the question! Never can anyone answer me. The christian may just come up with their oh, Jesus hanging took care of that! Yet every year we see people hurting themselves all over the place, recreating the hanging scene. We see them not eating mean on a good friday, when every Friday is Good. It is also the day of the week I was born. My father was preparing for Jumu'h when I was born. Friday is a wonderful day and the Christians made it a sorrowful day! Isiac was never that son of sacrifice because his mother, the bossy wife, who by the Christians and Jewish story telling in the Torah, petition God to command the old man Ibrahim to send his first son with his young wife out into the cold desert of Arabia. Would sarah have stood idly for an attempt on the life of Isiac? hardly! So Kokojunkie, your ranting at me, is like the noise of Ohio river versus the swarling of the Ocean! i did not notice you and thats that.

Read your Bible and take your place on the way to hellfire. You will surely enterit and remain there for ever, along with people of Christendom, if you die in your ignorance. I am not one of you. InshaAllah my abode is Paradise! It will be by Mercy, not Justice. You will receive due Justice because you came in contact with gazillion Muslims, but you refuse to hear, because of arrogance!

Gbere devidi. Be ni tie nri. Didn't anyone told you that this dude missed you? Man, I was just imaging you yelling in your head while typing. I tried to do that with Pilgrim.1. It ain't working bro.  I could just raise my eye at Nwando and she gets it. The knows the nature of man. But Dave, was rough going for a moment there with your mixing it up! Everything alright? Good.

@Pilgrim.1:

The Mormon Bible is NOT a Bible at all - it is a spurious production of Joseph Smith who denied so many teachings of Biblical Christianity and arrived at his demonic cultic assertion that Mormons are "gods" who will gradually attain to the power and position of God Almighty Himself!

You don't know a dot about the Mormon Bible, and what you are saying is another characteristic empty boast from your backyard!

Meanwhile, Neveda (the 'Silver State' - although close to Utah) is a weak location for Mormon authentic teaching. Go to Utah itself, you go see wetin go beat your senses dull! Yeye boaster! Neveda koo, Never-die nii!

; The same can be made of the Present day NT versus the NT which Jesus preached about the Places; Saul/Paul is in the same place of Joseph Smith. And by the way, the founding home of the Mormon is in Upstate New York. Ask davidylan. Beleve it or not. You have godheads they have gods. From by place of observation, they are both more than just One God. The same hypothesis developed for Jesus is with the Mormon. Personal attack does not face me. I am sure you do not know me that well to be accurate about your description of my backyard, whatever that means! I will leave the Nevada thing to your imagination. Its your world.

@Pilgrim.1: When I said the Bible, even though some of your Brothers, eg. Kokojunkie, I believed corrected me that OT is not the Bible. It is as if he said that NT is the Bible and OT is Tourat. I asked them to correct by Princess and the people that will make that mistake. But apparently, he has not done that, since you quoted OT and tagged it as from the Bible. When mentioned the Bible in my response to your OT prophets calling God father, I did not exclusively attach the OT corruption to Saul/Paul. If you wanna tell us that he has a great hand in it, you are free to do so. However we see his great influence in what we see as discrepancies of the NT, regarding to what is in the OT. We see that the 3 godhead hypothesis, which never pass the test of analysis to become a theory, at least with the Muslims who refused its 'blind faith prerequisite,' and the salvation of soul through blood, death on the cross, (even though the soul that dies on the cross is cursed, but none the less, its okay for this noble soul to be cursed anyhow for salvation. Yet as we asked that Hitler was a good Christian, so were his clique; would they go to paradise? All we hear is shhhhhhh, silence), resurrection, etc and of course the rendering of the 10 commandments to become irrelevant, and other strange additions in the NT, all of them has some doing by Paul! But my dear Princess, you conveniently shunned my question to you, why then did say Adam, Noah and Ibrahim not call God father? They were Prophets, right? Noble Prophets, would you not say? Again the inconsistency abound in the Bible! Or are there some verses available that abrogated others, as a process of gradually building up the faith in the hearts of worshippers/believers and then later the legislations, as in the case of the process of revelations of the Qur'an? My dear, am giving you all kinda escape route. take one and you will see where I will take you.

First, we have to understand that just because Greek was a language spoken by the disciples, it does not therefore presuppose that they were from Greece! Quite to the contrary. However, we should understand that Greek was spoken by far so many people than people in Greece; and a walk through history will help clarify this point:

: Your statement above is so absurd, in that just because Greek was spoken by far so many people than the the people in Greece, this is the reason the 'Word of God, as in revealed text,' should be changed from what God preferred it in and hence revealed it in. By the way where is the original manuscript of the Prophets, from which the most ancient Greek manuscript was developed? You do not about this do you? It has been destroyed by the evil hands that changed the true contents of the revealed Tourah, Sabuur and injiil, in their clever attempt to keep you in the dark, so that their dubious corruptions can stand, because there is no referencing material to challenge them with.

I want you to go back with others and retake material that will qualify you for introduction to Islam 101. You need to cleanse your heart. I will be in England soon. You will introduce me to those who prayed and turned you to this. These are evil doers finding every which way to ignore God, just by simply believing that somebody who was innocent died for their sins. wow. what is their own responsibility to God? How is this man who never knew them and not from their tribes and never was sent to their tribe will be responsible for their disbelief? How?

Iwo Pilgrim.1, shakara e poo! O du ni. Oje meme! You take me back ages! I need this. You do not speak truth when it comes to religion. You just through things out there to razzle dazzle the poor Christians , who are blind to see that you speak emptiness! Only desert wind you blow! Nothing you said makes any sense! Is Olorun God? Is Yahwah God? Is Chineke God? etc, etc?

Sometime you do not see beyond your own nose, Princess Pilgrim.1! And Africans do not have long noses like Pinocchio. This means that you do not see anything far from an inch or so from your face. Who did Allah give the revelation to among men? That person is the authority, because he receives what is known as Wahi from Allah! I can see why you flunked preIslam, which should have qualified you for Islam 101! lol. Moses was the authority on behalf of God on Taurah. David was for Sabuur. Jesus son of Mary was for Injiil (Which we do not have, even though it was reported that he preached it about the places he went!) and Muhammad was for Qur'an. The Book of Islam is the Qur'an, while hadith is explanation of Qur'an. Whats your Problem? Man you bore me. maybe this is your gimmick with the Blind Christians that you are doing some work. It is very flat with me! The taste is gone. Like a glass of soft drink that have been left in the open for days. It will just look it, but does not taste it; watered down!

@Pilgrim.1: Princess, am sorry to say, you don't ask thought provoking question! Is not Allah tabaraka Watahallah that controls the hearts of mankind, kings included? Allah makes His righteous slaves shun all that will make them sin against their own souls. Moreso, this is the day of Judgement. Jesus never said to anyone to worship him and or worship his mother, when he was on earth! Do you have a verse like that in the Bible, where Jesus said, worship me, indeed am the object to you, worthy of worship? Bring it out! Then inshaAllah I will trash it for you!

If Jesus did not say that on earth, you think he will say it before his Lord and Cherisher? Never! God Almighty Sultan lilarsh, guides his tongue. This is the power of the Irristible! This action is to shame the Christians who will be herded like cattle into Hellfire! Thats what you need to open your heart to avoid. Ask your Creator to guide your soul to a path that is straight and leads to success. The key to paradise is Laa ilaha ilallah, and for our generation, we have to add Muhammadanr Rasulullah (as)! Anything different is in fire of Hell!

@Pilgrim.1:

a) Moses referred to God as FATHER:

Deuteronomy 32:6
Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise?
is not He thy FATHER that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee,
and established thee?

Please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

: If the present Bible's recording of all the Biblical Prophets, calling God Father, supposedly, is your litmus against Muhammad (as), then why would the same Bible not record Adam calling God father, and Noah calling God father and Ibrahim calling God father, indeed all Biblical Prophets calling God father?

What is going on is that the Bible is inconsistent. It is because of the fact that your most ancient relied upon manuscript, is many centuries after the fact. And the Bible is based on Greek materials as if any of the Biblical Prophets from hedean islands/Greece. The revelations were revealed in Aramaic/Hebrew. These are non European languages, but semitic. Very similar to Arabic. The revisions, editions and versions and of course the initial activities of the pens changed what the prophets left in order to fit the agenda of the privileged class and the role of one name writers and of course Saul/Paul are links of the total process of the corruption.

@Pilgrim.1: Sometimes, I wonder if my Princess think that she is holding court, or classes here? Directing traffic, when I am driving a Koenigsegg on the autobahn! Aburo. pele pele dowo e. lol. I will respond sometime later.

@Kokojunkie: I know the Mormon well. I have connection in Nevada. The same weak statement you are using about their Bible failed with me 10 years ago. Here is the answer: The Mormon Bible did not bring anything new. Even the name is the same with the Pure Protestants and/or the father Catholic! It is called a Bible. The Principal person is still the same: Jesus. There is still the 3 in 1 deal.

The Mormon can not have a different litmus that their father/mother, the catholic and the protestant. You got to see what everyone is doing to Mick Romney; The other Christians are claiming that he is not a Christian. Some people are not going to vote for him, anyway, because they consider Mormon but a cult. But they call themselves Christians.

However, if you call any Muslim a Christian, we consider it a sign of weak faith in us. We will be insulted, saddened and unhappy. If you say to any Muslim that he is a disbeliever in the death and resurrection, he will be happy. You have made his day. All of these, disqualifies the Mormon book/a Bible to be a corrector of Qur'an.

Finally, there is no place in the Bible, OT and/NT that it is declared that there will not be any prophet to come. The reverse is the case. And indeed the NT call this Prophet Counselor/ Comforter. Muhammad is a perfect match based on the description and the job Title. Finally, Qur'an says never will there be a Prophet and or a Messenger after the noblest of the nobles. Allahu Akbar. Yaa Rabbi Haqq!

The Qur'an itself is the proof. But in the todays action among humans, we see the Jews making God a tribal God. The Christian insist that you must believe in the Blood and all that go with it about Jesus. It is only that that will make you enter paradise/receive salvation. So the Jews negate the Christians and the Christians negate the Jews. Alhamdulillah, the Muslims negate both of them and the others.

And it is in the Qur'an that we should accept the authentic, but not adulterated revealed books of the prophets before Muhammad/Qur'an. And respect each one of them; 124,000 in total. Where is your confusion? The fact that Qur'an does not agree and therefore trash the part of the fallacy of the Bible, eg 3 godheads and death on the cross as ransome or honor is enough to proof the superiority and truthfulness of the Qur'an. It is un abashly unapologetic!

Aburo. I do not know how to get you to see the truth. But I will continue to remember you in my prayers. This inShaAllah will undo the do of the 'christian friends,' who put this on you.

The true authority in Islam was Muhammad and there was no honor Killing by him. There wer punishment for sins committed, according to the Sharia in Islam.

Yet the Jehovah witness call themselve the correct sect of the Christians. They have a diffrerent Bible. But course the Shia have the opinion that they are the correct sect, but they do not have a diffrerent Qur'an and if they do I will like to see it. I have been around a host of notable Shia, at least in Obodo America. We read the same type Qur'an.

Pilgrim.1: You accuse others, yet you have no foundation for your accusation. But wait a minute, if a man call a kite an airplane, does it still mean it is an airplane, just because its in the air? Hardly. That is the diffrerent between your Bible of today, a mere kite and the revealed books to each Prophets, Moses' taurat, David's Sabuur and Jesus son of Mary's Injiil, all are Airplanes to the shadowy Kites you have in between the two covers of what you call Bible presently.

@Pilgrim.1: Do you speak Arabic? No! Until then, and we are not talking about the street of any Arab society Arabic, but Fussat, the pure Qur'anic Arabic, that the Arab Christian is using to measure their Bible, then talk to me. Until then, my dear, Shhhhhh! You have no intelligence and your heart has not matured enough to take the wisdom in Qur'an.

The verse of Al Maidah that bothers you so much, simply demonstrate Allah's power over Jesus. Even though Allah knows that Jesus did not ask anyone to take him as God, like the action of Protestants more than the Catholics and his mother Mary as God/mother of God like the action of the catholic of Rome, your best friend, the Pope being their leader, GOD ALMIGHTY ALLAH puts forward what He will make Jesus do in the day of JUDGEMENT; call Jesus out before mankind and ask him that same question. And true to form of a true Prophet/Messenger, Allah will make Jesus deny both the Catholic and Protestant false position they put him.

Thats what it means.

@SysUser: Nice try. Excepts the matter/material that is in question is not as easy as your water formation experiment. If we use that for a moment: Your Christian scholar only used one atom of Hydrogen, without considering the bonding potential for it to be stable, in relationship with the atomic structure of water, both are combustible, the way. Your H and O will never form water while the Muslim used sufficient amount of hydogen in proportion to Oxygen. The Muslim gave very sound product compared to the deficient, easy to poke holes to process of the Christian student. He never was able to form water.

Consider this little parable
, there was a student one was name Christian, the other was name Muslim, they were both wanted to give a presentation of who had the best research concept to Lecturers. On the day of their presentation it was discovered that they both had slighlty similar presentations, hence their researches were crossed checked, area of both similarities was then compared it was then found out that Muslim's research contained a particular step that indicated "Hydrogren + oxygen + chlorine = Water". It was correspondingly found out that a particular step in Christian's research indicated that "Hydrogen + Oxygen = Water". Unfortunately it was known and understood that if a single step in their research is wrong then their whole research can longer be substantiated, because for their researches to be correct then their whole steps taking in the research must be correct.

The lecturers having had a wealth of understanding about how Water is formed now have to decided and answer three things:

1. Which of the two (christian and muslim) copied the other

2. Which of the two mentioned steps are correct

3. Which of the two researches is correct
       
So everyone (So babs787, olabowale and other muslims included) therefore my question is this:

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE THREE ANSWERS TO THE THREE QUESTIONS WOULD BE

So finally once you have decided on what the answers to the three questions would be kindly now relate that to the issue "about Bible versus quran"  , "About Jehovah GOD versus allah"

: Pilgrim.1 falls flat all the time she uses this type of predetermined/I box you in weak ideas with me. You did not ask her about me? I cry a lot, she would tell you. But then i come back hard and thought provoking! Any one who knows the nature of God as complete and superior to mankind's nature will not come up with your NT idea of God, being a 3godhead deity. And then one of them was killed off, even for just a moment; 3 days that was not calculated properly, to amount to a full 72 hours or 3 nights and 3 days, from the Jewish system of calculating day; Sundown to Sun down!

If you have all these deficiencies in the NT alone, without even going to what the Jews, the rightful holders of OT think of you, how come you think you can stand toe to toe to didcuss spirituality? You call your god, 1 part man through young virgin Mary, 1 part spiritual being and 1 part father. Yet 1 part dies and was asking why, why from the part that is father while dying?


What blood are you talking about youngblood?

The ball is ya kort!

@Pilgrim.1: Jeje mi ni mo joko o, to wa nto ja o! lol. If you read your dueling Christians entries, that is, tomX and kattrina, you would not disagree with me. below is what you need to read. And when I come to England this coming March, I will bring Zam-zam water for you to wash your face and rinse the eyes, particularly. MrPataki, listen up. I may just come to you, brother in Holland with whatever remain from Pilgrim.1:

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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV
yes God will raise the dead and make them incorruptible and they shall ascend bodily into heaven. Those who are alive and are of right standing with God shall also be caught up bodily with them.
The last qoute from 1 Thessalonians 4:17 explicitly stated that those who are alive . . . to be alive means body and spirit are present together. Thus if the living will be caught up then their spirit was not to be separated from their bodies.
Did you think God was to raise all the dead up on the last day so that an army of zombies will walk the Earth? Surely he had a plan for our bodies as well as our soul. Why else would he send his Angels to contend for the corpse of Moses (Jude 9:9).

Christ's body was never allowed to see curroption (it did not decay nor was it defiled) and the body raised into heaven. Yep our devine "Flying Christ" sits (body+Spirit) at the right hand of God.

: From tomX quote and explanation, above we see that God raised the dead and the righteous, which means Christians among them and the Christians still alive, who would not have tasted death, hence have cheated death and have One over Jesus, the Lord himself, will all be raise up into the cloud, like in caught up in the cloud with Lord Jesus to go to the Christian home of glory; paradise. tomX Paradise is definitely not on this earth.

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Re: Where Is Jesus' Body;it Can't Exist In Heaven
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The Bible tells us that for dust we are and to dust we will return. Our bodies simply decay and return to dirt after our death.

The scripture at Daniel 2:2 talks about a resurrection not to heaven but to earth. God's purpose for the earth was and is for it to be a paradise and for humans to live upon it forever. That is why the thought of death bothers us. We were not created to die, that is why we desire life so much. Psalms 37:29 says "The righteous themselves will possess the earth and they will reside forever upon it." And to go along moreso with the scripture in Daniel think about the account of Lazarus. He was resurrected physically, not to heaven.

But there are some who will go to heaven and reign with Jesus. These ones will become spirit creatures like the angels and Jesus are now.

; We see from Kattrina that after death the body turn to dust. thats it. And in ressurection, we see that she spoke about ressurection as an earthly paradise. she eliminated the tomX cloud or ascending to be caught up with the Lord Jesus. Even though she said almost as a footnote that some will go to heaven and reign with Jesus, as they will become a spirit creasures in heaven, not in body and soul, but in the same Spiritual form like what Jesus is right now along with the Angels. So the bulk of the righteous will inherit the earth here, in Kattrina's form of Paradise. You can read everything yourself. Get ready to drink Zam-zam water after you wash your face and rinse your eyes.

My IQ is very low, so I defer to the knowledgeable people. Its your turn to respond, ma. so who is not correct, between tomX, whose righteous Christian's destination is not on this earth, versus kattrina, whose righteous Christians destination, for the majority is on this earth, except the spiritually metamophosied few, who are going to be in spiritual form, without a body, just like Jesus and the Angels. E pe fun wa. Erin pami. Mrpataki, mi soo re? Thats my Ijebu and am sticking to it. To copy babs 727, oya, lets go. lol.

I yen I wo Pilgrim. O nda Mr Important lowun? I wo no MrPataki! O ga o. Ba ye she nri ni yio! (Mo nre rin ni bi ti mo wa ni). A i si ile Ologbo, Ile di le ekute. By the way where is my man, Davidylan? I hope he is Okay? I miss him.

And since Alexis last entry, where he promised to get me verses of the Qur'an, he has gone down with the sun of Arab. Disappearing beyond the Sand doom/mountains of the desert! Okay, its the holidays for him. The Arabs are so salvage and wild, yet they allow the Kaferi Alexis to take time out for the birth of his God! The God that was born just less than 2040 years ago! What a young God! My father the Hanifan Ibrahim and his sons, Ismail and younger Isaiaq are a lot older! That means, even all these people have existed long time before Chistian God.

@Focused:

feel I need to clarify your understanding of the blessed trinity because of the confusion that is running riot in your head or will I say running riot as a result of what your quran have told you:

THERE IS ONE TRUE GOD

Although there are many false gods existing in this world and in the spirit realm, there is only one true God; however, He exists in three forms: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. There are many, many scriptures that support this fact in both the Old and New Testaments.

The Lord Jesus Christ was both God and Man

; You were doing great, even if only in your plain logic, until, 'He exists in three forms.' I just have to laugh at your process; It is like the egg having the shell, the abdumen and yoke or the Water in solid ice, liquid water and staem/vapor! Terrible idea, to have 3 statehood of One God! Then you kill the car by your, 'The Lord Jesus Christ was bothGod and man!' What will Jesus really do or say about this if he were to be permitted to be in your presence right now: Definitely, you will not see a bashful or meek man. He will be annoid with every lie you have spewed about him. You wanna keep deceiving yourself that a child who came out between the thights of young Virgin Mary is your God/Lord, carry on, man, carry on. You will soon find out when you are dying and the reality that Jesus was no more than a mere human prophet. A messenger of his Lord to his own people, the lost children of Israel.

And thanks Manhattan is okay. All the crazies are on holiday spirit; oh, oh, oh! Santa has left the building. Rudolph red nose is sore for real. The sale is flat. Enjoy while you can. lol.

@sysUser: You've already answered destroyed your own analysis; If you repeat a lie too often, the gullibles begins to believe it to be true. This is the case with the Bible. The OT People, the Jews do not recognise the NT, whatsoever. Yet it is the NT people who are doing what you dubbed ATTACHE with the OT people by having OT intheir own 'Bible.' So we have what are 2 Bibles; OT with OT people is called Bible. OT and NT with NT people is called Bible also. See your proble here now. Then, some part of OT is negated by NT post Jesus writes, eg Saul/Paul. Remember the 10 commandments? You will not in good conscience remember what paul has told you to forget. Jesus could not do it, so Paul is the one who had to do away with the laws by the cusred soul of the 'dead Jesus!'

There is no reason to say that Allah is not God, just because it is not 'Oyinbo word.' But Oyinbo is a young language and by Fela's defination, Oyinbo is Yoruba badly spoken. How can English word defines the Creator especially looking at how young this language is, compared to the sematic Arabic language, which has his direct historic route to Father Ibrahim, and at least has a clear prophet and revelation in pure Arabic language. The english language does not have the same qualities; no prophet and not revelation. In Islam, we seek refuge in Allah against the accursed Devil, when we want to do any worship, like reading Qur'an, making prayer, engaging in sexual intercourse and many other. How is this possible that you a grown man with at least normal IQ will assume and therefore make a bold statement that the muslims worship the devil?

Maybe you don't know anything about Islam, since Christianity as a way is a hereditary thing in your bloodline/ Just accept and don't ask how kinda mindset belief is what you have in Christianity. I know alot about Christianity and I thank my Creator, Allah the Almighty, Who does not die and Who is alway everliving, that He does not make me but a Muslim. How can I worship a man, taking a one who came out of the canal birth, just like me as God? Never. By the way my mother's name is also Mariam.

Is it possible for God to have a mother? hen who is the father of God? Who are the parents of the parents of God? You know where i am going with this? Right? Yet I have not gotten to Moses generation in all of this parents of the parents of the parents, of God. Then we still have Ibrahim's generation, Noahs generation and finally, the first generation of mankind, Adam and his wife Hawa. The way I figure, we could go on to just tear your God perception to shreds. But one thing is certain, the concept of God to you is very poor, less powerful and less imposing as to have control over anything. Your concept about God is somewhat in some respect humanlike. No wonder you find it agreable that God could be in the womb of a mere mortal, a young virgin girl (that is what made her different from any woman who is pregnant, being a virgin), developing for 9 months.

My brother, I got toleave you alone for now. In the future we will talk about other matters. Its way past my bedtime. I ned by beauty sleep. lol. But make my belief increase, by your understanding of God. And by the way Ismail has a fisrt right to Ibrahim than his younger brother Isiaq. Reason, man, reason.

@SysUser: You are very late on this thread. But your question about Qur'an as corrector of the Bible is very valid. So I will simply ask you this question and in it there will be glearing answer to your 'question about the Qur'an,' If you observe the OT and the NT, why are there opposing materials about the same topic; say the 10 commandment? Then you can tell us about the God of the OT versus the NT. Then the Qur'an is a disiterested observer.

From the read of Aleksys above, you can hear sounds like mix bag of pure disbelief and then Christian belief. And the kattrina's written is like if she forgets the grand purpose of the Master Himself; THe Creator. Earth was here long time before Adam and his wife became its inhabittants. Further the Creator's plan is not that humans do live forever, at least not in the present form and this present place. It it was in design that we live for ever, there would not be a final destinations as either Hell or paradise for individaul soul, based on justice or mercy on work done in this life. finally, there will be over population anyhow, since the resources; mile square of the earth, and other resources are in limited supply. There will be a time in the development of man, that the technology will not not be able to meet the demand of man, hence the limit of elasticity will be reached and will be surpassed. The result will be a sudden end all at once. But in the ifinite mercy of God Almighty, He has given us the wisdow to make proper decision, after He has provided to us, the craterion, of right and wrong in His way of guidance.

Uzzayan is right. No one knows when the 'son of man' will come. Not even the son of man himself! His Lord makes that decision, alone. You hear than, Christians.

Bewween TomX and Kattrina, who is telling the truth? You entries about are in clear contract, one from the other! Maybe both of you are lying. Or just one is correct. But both of you with opposing perspectives on the same subjects can not be 100% right. Hence, I conclude that your source of information is noit 100% right. How then can we rely on something like that if our salvation by God depends on it?

@KOkojunkie;

If your husband knows any prophet who is powerful and strong enough to fight the anti-christ for humanity, ask him to suggest the prophet to Jesus then @Leila. I do not understand how anyone can actually read the bible and then come back to ask that sought of question as the book itself from beginning to the end explains why Christ is the one to fight the anti christ and why all others who will try perish.

Come on , The Bible is a book one can get in most any language these days and many historians who are not even christians can tell you to answer to that question simply from there reading the book. Tell your husband to read the book of Revelation from beginning to end and he will not only understand why only Jesus can do it but how

: THere is no Prophet of God Almighty that will perish, except the Antichrist destruction, has been assigned to Jesus son of Mary! John son of Zachariah or Zachariah himself, was not recorded to have committed any sins. They were also contempuraries of Jesus.

God is the One who is destroying Antichrist through the hands of Jesus. Not Jesus, himself, my friend! And my proof is very simple; Jesus could not save himself, if his life depended on it, according to the Bible! Afterall, according to the Bible, again, he perished on the cross, with an accursed soul! It is the Qur'an that came to his defense. The Prophet/Messenger who went to heaven and came back in a part of one single night must have been honored to be able to do that job of defeating the Antichrist. So is Moses and many many other Prophets/Messengers. please get off the heavens-gate space ship that is bound to perish.

The uniqueness of Jesus for this job is known only by God Almighty alone. Jesus himself does not have any inside track to why he is chosen. However we see the connection to it through the name Ant"Christ."

@Leilah:

Hi again everyone soory i have been down withthe flue thank you for all the observations I have been presented with. I do not wish to leave islam I need to increase my beliefs and learn more. Note: m husband is an igbo man that doe snot practise any religion either. he now says he really does not know what to believe some people are confused.

Only question he has is why jesus/issa comes back to fight the ani christ/dijels for us he wants to know why is it jesus that is going to do this? how come no other prophets?

: The return of Jesus son of Mary, is not just to fight anti-Christ. You know some Christians on NL even claimed that Prophet Muhammad is the anti Christ! An evil thing that they say from their mouth! Since Muhammad is dead and anti.Christ will come later, then it shows that Muhammad is not Antichrist. Further they say that Muslim is the Antichrist. An evil thing they say, too!

When Jesus comes, he will enter Jerusalem at the time of the 4/even/Magrib Salah. The Al Mahdi will be ready to lead the Salah, in Masjid Aqsa. Jesus son of Mary will join in. Al Mahdi will give him the honor to lead the congregation. Jesus will refuse. he will say that Al Mahdi should remain in his place of leadership. He will pray behind a a follower of Muhammad, in the tradition of the salah given to Muhammad! This will be the second time the would have prayed behind a Muslim; The first behind Muhammad in the Isra part in the same Masjid, of Isra was Miraj night Journey of Muhammad.

Allah has his way of making a matter very plain. He is allowing Jesus by this return to live out his remaining life as a Muslim, not as a Jew or Christian and also to die that death which God had saved him from, which will show that his Garden of Geshemane prayer was accepted. God never allows any of His Prophet/Messenger to make any prayer, except that it is accepted!

The return of Jesus does not mean that he is the strongest or others are weaker! It is the design of God, for those who are going to refuse guidance will refuse it, even if Angels come along/the heaven is opened and they see Angels going back and forth between heaven and earth.There will be people who will not change their ways.

Jesus will also kill the pigs, destroy the Cross, too.

ADHD is your Middle initials, Nwando. Wow. Pinocchio has nothing on you. Proof all your hypothesis! You have never in your entire life held a Qur'an, and the study of it, is extremely foreigh to you. Nwando, where is your limit in unfounded lies?

You are right! According to the Bible that Jesus aint know nothing about. All you can muster together are Proverts, etc! The wisdom of Saul/Paul. Wow. lol.