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malvisguy212:
do your research and stop quoting me double on a single post.

THAT THE SAME THING AM SAYING YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU DOING....YOU JUST LOOK FOR POINT WHERE THEIR IS NO POINT...IT IS YOUR BIBLE THAT NEED EXTRA EXPLANATION GROM HOLY(EVIL) SPIRIT...THE QURAN ID VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD...
WHAT BOTHERS ME IS WHY DID YOU PURPOSELY REMOVE WORDS FROM THE QURAN AND PUT YOUR OWN.....THEN YOUR FRIEND..... TRUTHMAN2012 IS HAPPY AT YOUR STUPIDITY.

malvisguy212:
Narrated AbuHurayrah
Allah's Messenger said, "A thousand
years before creating the heavens
and the Earth, Allah RECITED Ta-Ha
and Ya-Sin, and when the angels
HEARD the recitation they said,
'Happy are the people to whom this
comes down, happy are the minds
which carry this, and happy are the
tongues which utter this.” Darimi
transmitted it (At-Tirmidhi Hadith,
Number 660 – taken from ALIM CD-
ROM Version; bold and capital
emphasis ours)

so those this hadith means Allah worship God...GUY YOU POSTED THIS HADITH YOURSELF...IT IS WRITTEN IN ENGLISH...DO I STILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN EACH WORD TO YOU....
ARE YOU THIS DULL

truthman2012:
You mean there are falsehood in Islamic literature ?

guy pls dont be stupid... i mean did u open the Quran urself and confirm if what ur friend said were the exact words used or he added his own LIKE THE ONE IN UR BIBLE.

malvisguy212:
And you worship a allah who pray to the Almighty God.

Sura 33:056
"Allah and His angels send
blessings on the Prophet: O ye
that believe! Send ye blessings
on him, and salute him with all
respect."

The literal translation of this verse is:

Allah and His angels pray on
the prophet. O ye who believe
pray on him and salute him
with a worthy salutation.

If Allah in heaven is praying on the
prophet, the question is, to whom is
Allah praying?

The following is supposed to be a prayer
of Allah taken from Ibn Hisham’s Al-Sirah
Al-Halabiyya:
ﻗﻠﺖ ﻳﺎ ﺟﺒﺮﻳﻞ ﺃﻳﺼﻠﻰ ﺭﺑﻚ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻧﻌﻢ ﻗﻠﺖ ﻭﻣﺎ ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ
ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﺳﺒﻮﺡ ﻗﺪﻭﺱ ﺭﺏ ﺍﻟﻤﻼﺋﻜﺔ ﻭﺍﻟﺮﻭﺡ ﺳﺒﻘﺖ ﺭﺣﻤﺘﻰ
ﻏﻀﺒﻰ
I [Muhammad] said, “O Gabriel, does
your Lord PRAY ?” He said, “YES .” I
said, “What does he say?” “This is
what he says. He says: ‘Glory, holy,
Lord of the angels and the Spirit.
My mercy overcomes my
wrath.’”

subhanallah.....at first you coated the Quran correctly then u started saying rubbish.....THAT O GABRIEL THAT YOU STATED BELOW IS THAT AN HADITH OR SOMETHING....IF IT AN HADITU WHO WROTE IT.
YOU BETTER DONT LIE .....YOU SHOULD KNOWCI WILL DO MY RESEARCH....SO BE CARERUL WHAT U SAY.

truthman2012:
So allahh too is praying to our God.
I like this.

DID YOU CONFIRM IF WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS THE TRUTH.

malvisguy212:
And you worship a allah who pray to the Almighty God.

Sura 33:056
"Allah and His angels send
blessings on the Prophet: O ye
that believe! Send ye blessings
on him, and salute him with all
respect."

The literal translation of this verse is:

Allah and His angels pray on
the prophet. O ye who believe
pray on him and salute him
with a worthy salutation.

If Allah in heaven is praying on the
prophet, the question is, to whom is
Allah praying?

The following is supposed to be a prayer
of Allah taken from Ibn Hisham’s Al-Sirah
Al-Halabiyya:
ﻗﻠﺖ ﻳﺎ ﺟﺒﺮﻳﻞ ﺃﻳﺼﻠﻰ ﺭﺑﻚ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻧﻌﻢ ﻗﻠﺖ ﻭﻣﺎ ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ
ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﺳﺒﻮﺡ ﻗﺪﻭﺱ ﺭﺏ ﺍﻟﻤﻼﺋﻜﺔ ﻭﺍﻟﺮﻭﺡ ﺳﺒﻘﺖ ﺭﺣﻤﺘﻰ
ﻏﻀﺒﻰ
I [Muhammad] said, “O Gabriel, does
your Lord PRAY ?” He said, “YES .” I
said, “What does he say?” “This is
what he says. He says: ‘Glory, holy,
Lord of the angels and the Spirit.
My mercy overcomes my
wrath.’”

you this malvis..WHEN WILL YOU STOP LIEING.Quran 33 56 is talking about we muslims should give salutation or peace to mohammmed that is how the word pbuh originated from....THEN WHERE DID U GET THE WORD GOD YOU USED OR IS THERE ANOTHER VERSION OF QURAN...COZ THAT WORD GOD U USED IS NOT IN MINE.
INDEED YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS READY TO DO ANYTHING(including lie) TO TARNISH THE IMAGE OF ISLAM
ANSWER THIS QUESTION URSLF.....AINT YOU AN HYPOCRITE.

hockeyoilers:
Sorry olajadon . Quoted u in error.

Apology accepted sir.

[quote author=truthman2012 post=42482892][/quote]CAN YOU NOW SEE THAT YOU CLOUDED BY UR ARROGANCY.....i will advice u to make researches about islam.....GET MATERIALS URSELF AND READ....VISIT PLACES TO ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE....DONT LISTEN TO G.O SAY OR SOMEBODY SAYS.....DO UR OWN PRIVATE RESEARCH ABOUT THE WORD " RELIGION" ITSELF...WHY IS THEIR DIFFERENT RELIGIONS....WHAT DOES EACH OF THIS RELIGION ENTAILS....WHEN U TRU WITH THAT COAT ME AND LET SHARE WHAT YOU HAVE LEARN...
AM READG TO LEARN FROM U BUT I SENSE U BECLOUDED BY UR ARROGANCE OF JESUS IS LORD...PLS LEARN ND CONTACT ME.....TNKZ.

hockeyoilers:
You worship the creation not the creator

ummmmmm interesting what made you say this....remember bring ur point from quran and hadith.

truthman2012:
At the rate they are going, muslims will soon kill islam dead.

no matter what you say islam will stil prevail even the early muslims defeated the pagans with approximately 300 men.

truthman2012:
Why should idolatry be an option in islam?

We worship God, not Christmas, or Easther.

dont u get it.....let me explain.....IF U VISIT ME IN MY HOUSE AND I TELL YOU, U CAN VISIT THE TOILET IF YOU WANT...DID I SAY YOU SHOULD GO TO THE TOILET??...THE KA'ABA IS THE EARTHLY HOUSE OF ALLAH, it is where every muslim should face during solat ...GOD COMMANDED ABRAHAM TO BUILD IT....AND ALLAH IS MAKING IT OPTIONAL FOR YOU TO GO ROUND IT...IS THAT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND
ALSO I WANT U TO OPEN ANOTHER TAB ON UR PHONE RIGHT NOW AND TYPE THE MYSTERY OF KA'ABA....instead of asking questions with no head
2. SO YOU ACCEPT THOSES SEASONS ARE NOT IN BIBLE...despite that you greet urself merry christmas,happy new year, happy easter....WITH THIS CAN YOU PLEASES ENLIGHTEN ME ON THE WORD IDOLATRY.

hockeyoilers:
1 Corinthians 11:1-34 ESV

Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. ...

bless u brother.

Igbaba2:
i'll follow u up personally

DONT WORRY BEFORE THE END OF TODAY INSHA ALLAH....IF AM FREEE I WILL POST IT BY HIS WILL.

truthman2012:
It is islam that is pure idolatry and your quran confirms it:

[Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware.

Islam is continuation of Arabs paganism rebranded.

www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews

indeed u are blinded by ur pride
from the verse u coated u saw "it is of no sin to go around it" what this explains is the word optional....if it is complusory it would have been clearly stated their....so these no been compulsory can u explain what idolatry is to me AND WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING ABOUT CHRISTMAS OR NEW YEAR OR EASTER IN THE BIBLE...ATLEAST U SAID UR RELIGION IS THE RELIGION OF GOD, DONT U THINK UR FESTIVE SEASONS SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGE...
ANSWERS THESE AND YOU WILL SEE IT POINTING TO CHRISTIANITY AS A PAGAN RELIGION EXCEPT IF YOU ARE TRYING TO MISQUOTE THE BIBLE WITH THE HELP OF HOLY(EVIL) SPIRIT.

[quote author=malvisguy212 post=42479759][/quote]THIS MEANS YOU.ARE NOT READY TO ACCEPT THE FACT.....SO THAT IS HOW U TWIST THE BIBLE TO UR ADVANTAGE CLAIMING HOLY SPIRIT AND THAT IS HOW U MISINTERPRETE HADITH AND QURANIC VERSE
THIS IS ABSURD SOMEONE DENYING WHAT IS BOLDLY WRITTEN IN HIS OWN PERSONAL PRIVATE CONFIDENTIAL RESERVED HOLY BIBLE(INDEED HOLY).
Well i have acomplished my aim....i know ryt from the beginning of this argument u wont have any valid point to say....GUD NITE I WANT TO SLEEP.

malvisguy212:
I gave you the answer, the context is about leadership, excluding the congregation, but were seems to confused you is the word "NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH" so since you reject my answer, let me know your reason why women are not to speak in church. Simple!!!

BROS, u trying to shift the argument on my head...am d confused one here, am d one asking d question...I SAW WOMEN R NOT TO TALK boldly written in the bible and u trying to tell me now THAT I NEED HOLY SPIRIT TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING...but this is written in english
when i write "please dont go out" in english ...do u nid holy spirit to interprete that...PLEASE DONT GO OUT SIMPLY MEANS U ARE NOT TO GO OUT....U DONT NEED AN INTERPRETER FOR THAT
THEN Y ARE U FAILING TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IS BOLDLY WRITTEN IN UR BIBLE OR IS IT ONLY MY BIBLE THAT HAS DAT VERSE.
bros u keep confusing me....ARE U SAYING WHAT EVER I SEE IN THE BIBLE HAS ANOTHER MEANING.?

Jesus actual had siblings...and u call him son of god ...wat then will ur call his brother and sister...BROHER OR SISTER OF SON OF GOD(HOW FOOLISH).

malvisguy212:
let us do it one after the other. Why are women not to talk in church ?

dont u get it...am nt asking for ur explanation....WHAT AM SAYING IS UR BIBLE SAID *********** WHY ARE U PRACTISING *********...IS THAT THE TEACHING OF UR BIBLE....IS UR BIBLE FABRICATED OR U R D ONE DAT DOSE NOT KNOW WAT HIS DOING....OR R U CONDEMNING THIS VERSE IN UR HOLY BIBLE..
THOSE ARE WHAT I WANT U TO ANALYSE NOT STORYS....PERIOD.

Why is truthman,amberon...etc not in this thrend ...I THOUGHT THIS IS THE KIND OF TREND THEY LIKE STORMING

truthman2012:
Contrary to what we are told that Islam is fast growing, Muslims are being saved by Jesus Christ in millions everyday.

https://muslimstatistics./2012/12/14/al-jazeerah-6-million-muslims-convert-to-christianity-in-africa-each-year/

what point r u trying to make...DOES THIS MEAN THEY WILL MAKE HEAVEN....it is only a LAZY,DIRTY, AND GULLIBLE MUSLIM that will accept christianity
christianity is related to idolatry...CHRISTMAS, NEW YEAR, EASTER IS NOT ACKNOWLEDGE IN UR BOOK.....IT IS AS GOOD AS WORSHIPPING OGUN.

malvisguy212:
the verse do not forbid women to speak in church, the verse was saying women cannot assume authority over the man.

still expecting ur reply.

cloudgoddess:
The bible is full of archaic and sexist BS because the bible itself is a work of archaic BS (along with a few wise words that Buddha or Confucious probably said first anyway).

abi.

Mario1989:
GENDER EQUALITY have rendered alot of antient laws useless in our generation.

THIS IS THE WORST ANSWER HAVE GOTTEN THIS WEEK...BROS Y DONT U WASTE UR M.B SOMEWHERE ELSE.

malvisguy212:
the verse do not forbid women to speak in church, the verse was saying women cannot assume authority over the man.

is this lie or what.. but u can use ur two eyes to see it boldly written there WOMEN ARE NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH.... is it d holy spirit that is advicing u to say this coz am surprised
NO WONDER U AND UR CHRISTIANS BROTHER ARE ALWAYS FABRICATING POINTS FROM THE QURAN...SO U GUYS KNOW THE TRUTH...U JUST DONT WANT TO ADMIT IT.....IT IS BOLDLY WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE...
WOMEN ARE NOT TO TALK IN CHURCH...DO I HAVE TO SPELL EACH LETTER OUT TO U BEFORE U UNDERSTAND IT...OR HIS THIS ONE OF THE WORKS OF UR HOLY SPIRIT...COZ AM CONFUSED OOOO

malvisguy212:
is mummy GO the head of the church ? Does given sermon mean you are dominating ? I gave you an example of priscilia a female who explained to Apollos (a man) , does explaining to apollos mean priscilia is assuming authority over peter the leader of the church ? Stop reading the bible the way you read the quran.

remember i am coating the bible these are not my words and how do u expect me to read the bible(but does words are written in english except if u wqnt me to misinterprete the bible)...it is boldly written there women r nt to talk in the church....except u dnt want to acknowledge that verse
ALSO REMEMBER IT IS THIS SAME BIBLE THAT IS YOUR BOOK OF WISDOM.....DO U MEAN VERSES IN YOUR BOOK OF WISDOM CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.
PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME MORE.

malvisguy212:
is mummy GO the head of the church ? Does given sermon mean you are dominating ? I gave you an example of priscilia a female who explained to Apollos (a man) , does explaining to apollos mean priscilia is assuming authority over peter the leader of the church ? Stop reading the bible the way you read the quran.

remember i am coating the bible these are not my words and how do u expect me to read the bible...it is boldly written there women r nt to talk in the church....except u dnt want to acknowledge that verse
ALSO REMEMBER IT IS THIS SAME BIBLE THAT IS YOUR BOOK OF WISDOM.....DO U MEAN VERSES IN YOUR BOOK OF WISDOM CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.
PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME MORE.

malvisguy212:
Let me repeat myself again. Paul was saying women should know their ROLE in ministries, they should NOT ASSUME authority over the men, When a woman submissively asks or answers questions, or makes comments in a Bible study (where men are present) she is NOT DOMINATING or taking over the class, but is simply a PARTICIPANTS in the
class that is being LED by a teacher (MEN) . Let me give you an example:

Priscilla was a female apostle, she was teaching apollos, I want you to keep in mind that peter was the head of the church:
Acts 18:25-26
This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When
Aquila and PRISCILIA heard him, they
took him aside and EXPLAINED TO HIM THE WAY OF GOD more accurately.

Does it mean priscilia was the leader of the church and peter was not ? Men can preach with authority and Leadership, a woman cannot do this she can only speak.

Titus 2:15
Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke
with ALL AUTHORITY. Let no one despise
you.

Titus can rebuke and speak with ALL authority, this is the role a woman cannot assume over the man.

The context in corinthans involved ASSEMBLY, men are told not to speak two or more at the same time. Women are told NOT to speak at all. Everyone has a role to play.

Joel 2:28
"And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit
on all people. Your sons and DAUGHTERS WILL PROPHESY, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see vision.

If women are not to speak in church, how could the prophesy? Prophesied involved speaking. If you do not agree, okay, I cannot help you any further, that's all I've got to explained.

DID U EVEN READ THE POST U COATED coz am nt sure u did.
MY QUESTION IS WHY DO WE HAVE MUMMY G.O WHEN MEN ARE THEIR....WHY DO THOSE MUMMY G.O GIVE SWRMON WHEN MEN ARE THERE(u cn neva c sumtin lyk dis in quran)....ARE THE MEN NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH TO GIVE LECTURES
AND PLEASE DONT TELL ME PAUL SAID DIS OR THAT.....THE SAME PAUL U COATING WASNT PRESENT DURING JESUS CRICIFIXION BUT HE GAVE HIS OWN ACCOUNT F THAT.
TRY REASONING WITH ME.

malvisguy212:
you fail woefully, is it God that prophesied the death of Jesus and John ? They were the ones talking their, and the chronological sequence of event is understood in both verses, born died and raised , it is either Jesus lied in this verse or Allah made a mistake. In fact, there is not a single passage in the entire Qur’an that shows that Jesus will return to die. Since the parallel statement in the case of John shows that he died, clearly then, Jesus must also have died accordingly. There is an interesting remark by the renowned Qur’an translator, Yusuf Ali, in his footnote of Surah 19:33:

“…Christ was not crucified (S. IV. 157).
But those who believe that he never
died should PONDERS OVER THIS VERSE .” (Ali, “The Holy Qur’an”,
p.774, f. 2485.)

AM SORRY I COULDNT GET THE VERSE I PROMISED YOU...
XO EVERYONE I AM USING THIS MEDIUM TO APOLOGY FOR MY MISTAKE...THE GUY GAVE ME ANOTHER ONE INSTEAD

truthman2012:
Muhammad said women are deficient in intelligence.
www.nairaland.com/2766259/women-prove-islam-wrong

do u have something sensible saying? IF YOU DONT KNOW ISLAM PLACE SO MUCH EMPHASIS AND RESPECT FOR WOMEN.

malvisguy212:
you fail woefully, is it God that prophesied the death of Jesus and John ? They were the ones talking their, and the chronological sequence of event is understood in both verses, born died and raised , it is either Jesus lied in this verse or Allah made a mistake. In fact, there is not a single passage in the entire Qur’an that shows that Jesus will return to die. Since the parallel statement in the case of John shows that he died, clearly then, Jesus must also have died accordingly. There is an interesting remark by the renowned Qur’an translator, Yusuf Ali, in his footnote of Surah 19:33:

“…Christ was not crucified (S. IV. 157).
But those who believe that he never
died should PONDERS OVER THIS VERSE .” (Ali, “The Holy Qur’an”,
p.774, f. 2485.)

u r nt ready to learn

malvisguy212:
confused muslim, so if women should accept your explanation, then women should not pray or sing in the church ? Miriam, Deborah are prophetess, did God condemned them for this if women are forbidden to teach ? Just as scholar say, they should not usurp authority over the men. Calling pastor wife mummy GO does not mean she is the leader.

guy u d ignorant due....dont we have females that pray in mosque.

1. do u praise God or worship him.
2. my question is why will a female climb d podium and give lecture when males are their...if this occur it means eithir of this
a. the male there lyk u r dead head.
b. the bible is contracdicted( remember u also use this bible to pray ooo...infact it is ur book of wisdom)
c. u guys in the church are bunch of idiot following what mumky and donkey says
d. u guys are doing let just follow what they say atleast i have giving my life to christ....if you ff dis then dont u think u shuld question if jesus(as) actually died for u.
SO WHICH OF IT R U DOING.

malvisguy212:
where is the verse ?

very good then i will get it for you but no today shaaa......WILL TAG YOU WHEN IT READY ...