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In the land of Egypt, in the area called Elephanté,exist a people under the name of a high priest called ONIA

frosbel2:
He is part of the wicked !

Who do you refer as part of wicked?

iluvdonjazzy:
i dont like the way DADDY G.O is romancing with those politicians jor.

If every preacher run away from the wicked,who will encourage them to repent of their sins? Imagine, if these politicians don't have little connection with some pastors praying for them, it would have been ABSOLUTE HELL FOR THE CITIZENS because corruption would have been 100%.

absoluteSuccess:
May your good dreams for the homeland come true.

May the Lord cause his face to shine on you.

We bless you from zion.

Asé. May the almighty God heed our Prayers. In Eledumare alone our freedom is certain.
God bless us all who are from the land of O'J(D)UDUA—USÉRÉ(ISÉRI).

absoluteSuccess:
Awesome.

I used to think I'm the only dreamer on this board.

Look son, another Joseph.

Well, another Joseph? Of course not because he dreamt about his own personal lordship over the house of Israel. I am here to perfect the unknown to the Yorubas identity. The Western World's churches know this as well as their historians. They just kept mute about the Yorubas history because of the specks in our eyes. The Bronze heads in the London museum speaks a lot about Yoruba identity. A reawakening is my own course . Hopefully, the desire of the people can be granted by God. Until a man know his place on the planet earth, he is bounded under the spell of the earth's mystery. It is only the deep that understands the intricacies of the deep. And a deep drawn to be behold become a revelation. Then, a revelation manifest into reality (force by which it comes into existence).

Aspirations are unquenchable once there is a will on the part of the challenged.

Achievable is a desire borne of Eledumare.

absoluteSuccess:
I read your posts on the 'Lagos at 50 gala night' thread.

You sound quite different and with deep wit.

You are more of a politician than an historian, methinks.

God bless your week.

Really? I seemingly think I am opposite of it but a believer in YORUBA nation. Although I know I am a metaphorical personified being. I am many things entangled in ONE.

Just like this saying; All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances[...]
— William Shakespeare

My dear brother, “ Yoruba History" as part of my life, is the making of almighty (Eleda) God. It is a task I must complete because of Yoruba True identity. It is just a divine instruction bestowed upon my footpath.

Yoruba Bronze caste are comparable to ancient Middle East Art work.

TheStronghold:
Fascinating thread on the Yorubas. They might not have the most achievements in African history. But it is undoubtable that Yorubas have had the most achievements of the past century. From the 1st African to implement a television system, to the first African to fly around the world solo, separating Siamese twins, etc.

Yes Yoruba did great in the past and still doing it. The new (IBF and WBA) World heavy weight boxing champion of the world, Anthony OluwaFemi Olaseni Joshua is Yoruba a chap.....

TheStronghold:
Fascinating thread on the Yorubas. They might not have the most achievements in African history. But it is undoubtable that Yorubas have had the most achievements of the past century. From the 1st African to implement a television system, to the first African to fly around the world solo, separating Siamese twins, etc.

Yes Yoruba did great in the past and still doing it. The new (IBF and WBA) World heavy weight boxing champion of the world, Anthony OluwaFemi Olaseni Joshua is Yoruba a chap.

absoluteSuccess:
Hmm you didn't get the drift,

You are tussling with an 'humpty dumpty'.

Someone who chooses meaning for words.

happy weekend good sire.

Oh yes! My mistake . I didn't digest the riddle at first but understood the ideal coinage of the “humpty dumpty" story. Quite interesting.

Have a great time out there bro.

The Yoruba sculpture that have similarities with Middle East's . This is largely part of the reasons that the archaeologists and historians have tentatively accept the account of Yoruba theory of migration from the Middle East. Only one out the three Bronze cast isn't Yoruba work but work done in Ancient Babylonia.

Esseite:
And how many of the three does Nigeria have talk more of smaller nations in event Nigeria splits? Pls be realistic when making analysis...

If you believe in gigantic and monstrous nation like Nigeria with adherent to no plan to sustain the nonsense children reproduction whom a lot cannot cater for,then you are a joke. Each ethnic group holding on to its identity which is important as far as I am concerned. Even almighty God didn't make mistake in creating people differently. Even the American system you quoted have their peculiar problems. And many are already looking for the connection to their ancestral lineage. I am pure a Yoruba breed and will never change that for anything even if it has to make me deny NIGERIA.I am from my Yoruba lineage first before any other ceremonial identity. I am sure you know that there is no part in the enclave of Nigeria that doesn't have certain group of people that can turn around the situation of things in their locality if given such opportunities. But all thanks to killer Herdsmen. Then, you seem not to have experienced anything about the Nigerian society within Nigeria context because your opinion is perpetually tilted toward a system that got it right immediately after the defeat of Great Britain during American Civil war. Then liberation war among her citizens. The Northern oligarchy are booth lickers to Great Britain and Britain determined how the Nigerian economy went down the drain because of the lopsidedness she created before she left Nigeria. You need to leave out your pseudo assumption of a greater Nigeria when in fact, Nigeria cannot be proud of constant electricity. I hope you have listened to Rara by Tekno. He wasn't the first to sing about the decadence in Nigeria polity. Go and listen to Lagbaja and Fela Anikulapo Kuti (Abami Eda). Perhaps, you will be different. If you claim to be a Christian, then you need ask yourself; Why are some pastors are relocating? The system doesn't work. Evil people occupying positions in Nigeria. So, get the message clearly , People perish for lack knowledge.

absoluteSuccess:
Lewis Carroll (1832–98) Through the looking glass.

QUOTATION:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

Of course, you are correct. Words can be coined to elucidate one's view which can invariably become an acceptable norm in the society. Professor Wole Soyinka did that and it didn't begun with him because Yoruba ethnicity has become a case study for me in totality. Yoruba language used one word to make reference to different things through the developing period of the language. The method used were basically through accents; acute and circumflex which are more prevalent in our language. Take for instance; oko(which literally mean one) ,oko(hoe),oko(to identify a particular form transportation) Oko (farm), Oko (husband) . Ogbo(ripe),Ogbo(unripe),Ogbo(aged),Ogbo (wash hardly with palm), Ogbo(in a brawl of cloth being held tightly especially by a lady or woman),Ogbo (dog's bark). There are more and more. This is the reason I really like to inform those revisionists about the uniqueness of Yoruba language.

Esseite:
Am really not a tribalistic person, maybe you are getting it wrong, there is no alliance. But a re-structure rather than disolution would suit the system better, reduce grieviances to the bearest minimum.. Nigeria is important today because of our population.. thats the reason no one talks about Zimbabwe and south africa is less recognised.

We have the buying power, the moment we loose it, we loose it all. You make something good today to sell, you are sure it would penetrate 50% of the populace.. which makes dangote what he is today.

Other regions are aggrieved because we take from A and spread unevenly among BCD. The same problem came up in United states in the early 90's... and it was treated and growth triumphed beyond 1000% evenly.

We are blessed in this nation, but we just dont see it.

America has the some mineral, the production and the populace. (World power 2 of 3)

China has the some mineral, the produce and the populace (world power 2 of 3)

Nigeria has the mineral, no produce and the populace (no world power despite 2 of 3) true federalism would give us the production and even make us greater than the China and America.

We need ourselves to self actualize. If we loose the population, we are not better than zimbabwe and new guinea, togo and all sorts..

United we stand, restructure is far prefarrable than dissolution..

It seemingly look good on the paper but in reality it is not workable in Nigeria. This is because federalism being practice in Nigeria is the most expensive in the world and different ideologies is prevalent in the polity. How can you change the ideological perspective of people in the North that have absolute Quranic way of lives. Didn't you notice the thousands of deaths in the hands of Boko Haram fighters as well as from Nigeria Army? At such wanton deaths, 130+ of the chibok girls just walk and got their freedom. Nigeria is the first country in the world to have negotiated with terrorists and got a bargain at this joking expense. Rumors of the coup' de tat, here and there shows certain part in the military are seeing the hands of the fifth columnist (The politicians) in all these Boko Haram insurgency. Nigeria is impossible to restructure. It is the bitter truth. Buhari (PMB) hasn't been seen or talked to in the last few days, and the presidency kept quiet about it. Is PMB dead or Alive? This is the depth to which the uncertainty of Nigeria to become a nation everyone can be proud of being her citoyen

Esseite:
What makes a seaport function... its populace, the moment you loose population.. the revenue drops drastically..

For togo and benin- its our importation of vehicles and diverting of oil vessels that grew their seaport.. ask them how they are feeling now..

For lagos decending to the level of togo and benin, thats a very low low.

Lagos has developed so much that in event Nigeria splits, the south west alone cant afford to maintain Lagos. The tax would be over bearing...

London had to export education, medical, finished produce and join EU thereby making their visa's friendly just to import populace to grow IGR.

Usa has a population of over 300m and dont need extra population, they have gotten population of different diverse groups and nations long before Nigeria was created.

Africa has nothing to give the global world except population.

If we loose it, we loose all... united we stand

Where did you get your information from? Do you think population is all that's needed to be a wealthy nation? You seemingly infer your opinion like business oriented Ibos, that believe in petty commerce and a quickie approach to make a living . The developed countries don't need population for her citizens to be well and up doing. I attach herewith among these developed countries in which many that have no equal population with Yoruba ethnicity. And they are financially upright because three areas are germane to industrialisation of nation. These are; Human capital development, Technological know-how and Agricultural produce for local and export purposes. With or without Oil, Lagos and the entire Yoruba land will develop to the pinnacle once the coast is clear.

Quite interesting lately in the inconsistency on the manner at which the IPOB are going about things in the present day Nigeria. It has been very unimaginable for me to categorically infer here that the impossibility of certain ideology by the agitators of Biafra is gradually becoming a fraud. I have seen some nitwits on different fora on here, who have no knowledge of history and eventual consequence of war . They want to follow the same path that led to the wrong decision they took during 1967-1970 Civil war on Nigeria's soil. And for every decision taken, there is a result to such effect. If IPOB chose to follow the previous past of land grabbing ,then they will have themselves to blame for it. It is a shame that IPOB will have lick their own wound if they don't refrain from forcefully claiming land that's outside their territories, in which there aren't language affinity. Here again, IPOB has declared sit at home on May 30th for BIAFRA in the South Eastern part of Nigeria, which to their interest is a good one for IPOB. But It became shocking seeing this video, in which the IPOB indirectly are looking for trouble through Nnamdi Kanu by stretching hands to the direction not within their polity. Why would IPOB declare sit at home in Itsekiri territory, the whole of Delta, Kogi, Benue states etc? Do these IPOB know what they are doing at all? A dog that heed not the clarion call will find itself to be blamed once it gets lost.

MrAlfa:
Free Ilorin first.

Free ONICHA too. After all, Obi of Onicha came from BINI Kingdom.

@Hati13

Hati13:
I forgot to mention also Tigrays and Axumities(even though Axum wasn't a single ethic group) Christian paintings. The paintings aren't UNESCO heritage sites.

The paintings started to be paint from 6th century onwards. Axumitie paintings were painted from 6th century to 10th century. Agew paintings were painted in the 12th and 13th centuries. Amhara and Tigray(Abyssinia) paintings were painted from 1270 AD onwards.

What about your paintings?

Many Art of Yoruba aren't shown to the world because of secrecy of ILE IFE. However, the Beads was said to be around 10th century but became established properly around 11—12th century when it was used by king, royal lineages and noble families, wealthy families to show their status in the society. Then on the terracotta, there is a Ram's head that was placed at the palace side of Ooni, where it depict it as being meant for slaughter. And here is some bronze casting head made around 11th—12th century.

Hati13:
You are right, those achievements are way better than Yorubas achievements. Lalibela was registered to UNESCO heritage as a unique architecture achievement. You can't find any unique architecture achievements in Africa that can come close to it except the pyramid of Geza and sphinx in Egypt.

I know about Yoruba glass beads built in 11 or 12 century(from reading from your comment in another thread) and I admire them. There are also many unique Christian arts painted by Amharas and Agews like the Yorubas paint.

Look brother, I'm not doubting Yorubas great achievements, but what I'm saying is, they aren't that great to be considered unique or greater than other African ethnic groups achievements.

Let us believe,the greatness of each group is based on their development at every point in time. Whatever, you saw that made you think, the Work of Christian Art drawn by the Amharas and the Agew in comparison with a Yoruba group tentatively claimed to the largest Homogenous ethnicity in Africa is quite shocking. Even the Western Archeologists and historians made mention of this Terracotta and Glass bead production as incomparable to any part of Sub Saharan Africa. Even the Europeans didn't have such glass beads standard that was developed during this period before 18th century that it begun to dwindle. Let's not waste much time on this because, we won't get anywhere. Little study has been done on Yoruba land simply because of Nigeria which doesn't give much interest or financial aid to archeology findings and people's history within her territory. Unlike your part of the world that has existed thousands of years,even from Bible's perspective. You guys have advantages because ,Ethiopia was easy to access during the ancient times. If I may ask, how old is the Christian Arts painted amongst the Amharas and Agew 's UNESCO heritage site?

Sarakis Family

Abeokuta is where Saraki family came from.

skypeme:
They are all Fulani but decided to change names in disguise

Are you sure? Read the story of the sarakis. He is from Ogun state. Precisely from Abeokuta.

Hati13:
All those achievements you listed are great, but they aren't that great to be considered the greatest.

I'm a half Amhara and half Agew, and Agews had built 11 monolithic rock-hewn churches chiseled from a single rock. There architecture are unique and they are a UNESCO heritage site, but it doesn't mean Agews are the greatest in Africa. The Amharas achievements were also great, but not the greatest in Africa. Oromos were practicing their own form of democracy long before any African states started to practice, but they aren't the greatest in Africa.

No offense, but I don't see Yorubas achievements to compete with those achievements I listed, let alone being greater than them.

The groups you mentioned are in no way related to the outstanding achievement of Yorubas. Have you for once read about the Yoruba Arts or Beads or even Solomon's of knot . If you are a researcher to a large extent , you will understand. There are many yet to be recognized Sites by UNESCO in Yoruba land because of the advent of military intervention in Nigeria. Take for instance, there is a place where hot water, and cold water meet without such place having volcanic eruption potential. There is the ERedo site, which is one of the largest walls constructed in the world. There is a spot in Idanre Hill, Yoruba enclave, where a foot spot is engraved on the ground. The foot spot easily adjust itself to any foot place on it. There are too many to be mention. If you doubt, you can ask anyone, who has been to this spot at Idanre, in Yoruba land.

Hati13:
You are right, but are Yorubas the greatest African ethnic group? I don't thinks so, even though they had achieved many great things.

Truthfully, Yoruba has achieved a lot on terms of what she has contributed to Africa. Do you know, it was YORUBA THAT BROUGHT TELEVISION INNOVATION TO AFRICA? Do you know the first man from the African continent to travel around the world was a Yoruba . Late Moshood Kashimawo Abiola , was singlehandedly supporting CAF funds at one time in African football without any much benefits accrued to him. But on philanthropy perspective. I am not even one of those that like localising my ethnicity because I see my ethnicity having a divine blessing from God. We are unique in every way. Trust me when I infer on this. I am yet to see any tribe or ethnicity that has matched Yoruba's fit in Africa. Why on earth would even the Canadian Parliament want Ooni to come grace the 150 years anniversary of Canada? Do you see this as ordinary? Well, if you think it is ordinary, then you must be mistaken. Perhaps, some of the questions you should ask yourself ; why would a country invite a Yoruba king if his ethnicity isn't well known? Yoruba history is in the archive of the western world and they know our history because of their research on Yoruba's unknown identity by them . Yoruba religion is well established in the Americas.

Hati13:
@op, you can't say Yorubas are the most successful people in Africa. There achievements are great, but they can't be categorized with the likes of Ancient Egyptians, Axumities(Ethiopians) and Abyssinians(Ethiopia) and Ancient Senegal, if we are talking about greatness.

The places you mentioned aren't one ethnicity but multi lingual nations under one big Empire, in which the mighty kingdom succeeded in ruling the weaker ones. This is the reason that there were different lineages that ruled Egypt during her glorious days. In fact, Egypt was so big during her reign. Like wise Ethiopia Empire. Ancient Ethiopia covered Sudan belt and it is environs. The Op is specifically referring to 20th Century Africa. After all , Africa herself is not a tribe but over two thousands different tribes or ethnicity.

bigfrancis21:
List of Jamaican Patois words of African origin

Igbo language
akara
from àkàrà, type of food, also from Ewe and Yoruba[22]
attoo
from átú, "chewing stick"[23]
big-eye
via Gullah "big eye" from Igbo "anya ukwu", "greedy"[24][25][26]
breechee
from mbùríchì, an Nri-Igbo nobleman[27]
door-mouth
claque from ọ́nụ́ ụ́zọ̀ (mouth + door), 'doorway'[28]
chink, chinch
from chị́nchị̀, 'bedbug'[29]
country ibo
from Ị̀gbò, Pluchea odorata or Ptisana purpurascens[30]
de, deh
from dị, [with adverbial] "is" (to be)[31][32]
hard-head
from ísí íké, (head + hard, strength), 'obstinate[33]
himba
from mba, "yam root", a type of yam, Rajania cordata[34][35]
obeah
from ọbiạ, "doctoring", "mysticism"[36]
okra
from ọkwurụ, a vegetable[6][37]
poto-poto
from "opoto-opoto", mkpọtọ-mkpọtọ, "mud", "muddy", also from Akan[6]
red Ibo, Eboe
from Ị̀gbò, a person with a light skin colour or a mulatto of mixed parentage[38]
se
from sị, "quote follows", also from Akan se and English say[17]
soso
from sọsọ "only"[6][39]
unu
from únù, "you (plural)"[40]


http://allafrica.com/stories/201602291848.html


http://jablogz.com/2015/10/how-the-red-igbos-came-to-jamaica/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/30028425?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Again ,you have derailed bro. Mention words of Europeans origin that are closely related in letters and having the same or close meaning to Yoruba's . I insist on this, because of your “ sumptuous knowledge on Yoruba history ". And don't try so much bring forth words found among descendants of African slaves. There is no certainty, the words used by the slaves came from one source. So, do just to it and show your scholarly attribute. I am waiting to read precisely for EUROPEAN words that are similar in letters and close in meaning like what you saw on my previous post.





Piece of advice; don't delve into what you have little or no deep knowledge on.
You are the type of people that belongs to the category that Yoruba always use an adage as thus; Eni ti O fé mo osho ju Iya Osho lo.

bigfrancis21:
Always relay your point? Maybe once in blue moon. Thick-headed is the right word for you. Signed and sealed in stamp.

Oh there he goes again. Please list out those words I've claimed as Igbo. Una, dey, tey and so on and I'll provide you evidence for those.

And what is the right word for someone who is fond of inferring Ibo and Yoruba connection without any proof? I am waiting for your prince from ILE IFE that left. You are a degraded clown with verifiable certificate. How on earth do Come up with your pseudo coinage? I must give to you, if it has to do with conjuring damning opinion. List three words from one European country that has same spellings and meaning with Yoruba,because you suddenly jumped into conclusion of being able to list words and similarities with different countries. Did anyone refer to any other country except Yoruba ethnicity in Nigeria? Who is the real thick headed in reality if not you? Show me where I delve into Ibos history, even if I have knowledge of it. But, at every point in time,you behave like the one who knows more than the people from Yoruba ethnicity. I mock you seriously because ,I expect you to do more research on your tribe's history and how you Ibos became landlord locked, despite your pyramid era and access to Bight of Biafra. You are full of erroneous opinion.

bigfrancis21:
I can go on and list many words that are similar between different languages and I am very aware of that but that's not the point here because I never said all similar words have to come from the other language. I even cleared someone else that used the example of 'mi' in French/Yoruba that no linguist would obviously claim one language is the original owner. It was simply the origin of oga that was the bone of contention. That's why I said, you are thick-headed to reason properly, using omambala's words to describe you.

Lose my cool? Lolll. I never do. I don't have to put up smileys everywhere to show I am laughing because I really was laughing when I typed out that my response to you.

Peace out.

The word “thick headed " is inconsequential to me because I always relay the point . Do you know how many words you have claimed to have been originate from the Ibo land? I am sure you must have lost count yourself. In reference, to the reason I drew out that word which you claimed, isn't the bone of contention. So true, but it can said that ,attention was drawn to it to expose your flaws. It is as simple as ABC. I hope one day, you won't claim Yoruba borrow Eji+(MA) from Ibos and turned it Eji+(RÉ). Considering, the fact that history had shown that Yoruba had more twins that Ibos. Let me posit here that you need to go do DNA test to affirm if you are connected to Yoruba because of die hard interest in the history. Blood is thicker than water. Who knows ,you might be one of us.

Smiling

bigfrancis21:
You are too thick-headed anyway to reason properly. So just keep quiet.

You See, you have just lost it again. How can you specifically use the word “keep quiet? " ILE IS ILE— France's Island and Yoruba's land. Did Yoruba borrow it? For the first time, I can see, you have lost your cool because it is glaring. I don't want to take you up on this because my people have done justice to the defense of the word. Well, I can't keep quiet because this is a faceless forum. Enjoy the bitter truth . No hard feeling.

igbodefender:
Prove that the Igbo aborigines of Ile Ife are not the Igbo of today, and stop all this you are typing.

By the way, researchers have been commissioned to find out if there are any links between the people of Ife in Osun State and the people of Ife in Imo State.

What is their Oriki? You seems to have an idea like some land grabbers . Come to ILE IFE, and tell them that Ibos are the Obatalas. It is then, your eyes will be cleared of the reality . I screenshot work done along Ibos scholars as well ethnographers to show the extent people are studying people's language and their societies. But instead to go through them for a defence, you are here derailing. Have taken your time to study what I screenshot? Or should I infer here, that, are you obsessed to Yoruba Race? Perhaps, a lot of your mind boggling questions will be treated. If you are old enough and you have elderly Yoruba men as mentors or friends , you need to ask them this questions if it was truly that IBO women in past ran away with Yoruba children after being married legally or not married at all but had children for Yoruba men? This was a norm in the 1970s .In fact, my father's distant matrilineal cousins, a boy and girl were taken to the East in early 1970s by her mother ,and the man was about 10 and 8 years respectively and never return. He hasn't been seen since then. If you doubt this allegation, verify from elderly Yoruba men. This is the only way some Ibos may be connected to Yoruba Race. Anything else is false because Ibos are Bantu groups that lived also in Egypt.

bigfrancis21:
What is this detailed fact? Is this your detailed fact published academic evidence? The last time I checked none of your cohorts was able to provide concrete evidence other than personal nuances.

You are really a stubborn and dogmatic being. It is a good trait if indeed, it is based constructively on Views that's in your favour. However, you can't win this juxtapose on this particular word “oga" because truly, it has existed in Yoruba land for centuries without contact with Europeans. What if it was the other way round? Did you forget, that Yoruba had been well organised before the contact with Europeans? Didn't you read clapperton account when he came in contact with Oyo Empire around 1822 or thereabout? He was led to Katunga from the Part of Bight of Bini to come to Oyo ILE. He spent about seven weeks (7 Weeks) before he left to get imprisoned in the North where he died. To be honest with you, there are words of Europeans that are synonyms with Yoruba's. I will mention only one. Take for instance, Île (French word) meaning Island. The word Île in Yoruba is Land. Are you inferring, Yoruba borrowed it from France? Oga, don't necessarily have to come from English word “organiser"because even the British marvelled at Yoruba's knowledge of Almighty God and Yoruba's Terracotta and sculpture works in Art. How do you now think, we borrowed such word when in fact, development of language is attainable when tradition is held in high esteem. Oga, Òga, O ga, ga etc has existed for ages within Yoruba world. It is better you accept and leave with it or you keep chasing after shadow.