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absoluteSuccess:
Olu317,

Thanks for continued interest in Yoruba antiquity that we all shared. I will respond to your first post in a little while. Moreso,

I want all of us to understand that Lagos island is indeed one of the landing ports of Yoruba founding fathers, as is Ile-Ife.

Yes bro, I know it was. There has to be a connection because OORE mentioned part of Yoruba ancestors coming out of the sea and Odua the man called Odua was the leader and his benefactor. There is a missing information to this statement How did they came out of sea without a ship or boat? This has to mean Odua and his first warriors had landed first and other continents followed. If you visit Idanre, the boat called OKO NUA,( boat )which exist at Idanre couldn't just dropped from the sky. Certain information is still begging to be unravelled. This boat's picture can't be taken, many years, ago, One of my friend tried it, the pic went blurred. The ancient name of Idanre was Oke-Ife . Perhaps, the boat(s) or ship(s) which must have brought them to this spot,where Oore mentioned need be searched out . I am sure the mentioned location must have hidden secret of Yoruba past history. Tradition has it that the Oore emerged from the Okun Moba (Moba Sea) in the present coastal area of Lagos with a Calabash containing water in his hand, beads around his neck and a beaded crown on his head. And Oore is always the first to announce OONI'S passage to the great beyond. I have even seen a place called “Jebu " in the lower part of Ancient Egypt called Élephante . I want to learn from you what you know.

absoluteSuccess:
Quite an insightful piece bro, but most of the arguments does not add up.

I have seen many insensitivity of 17th century upward Yoruba kings, warriors and noble Yoruba descendants,in which they did harm to Yoruba history by engaging themselves in war of greed and supremacy,which didn't allow the history to be held jealously. This is one of the reason that Some BINIs want to take advantage of this and want to attach themselves to Yoruba history forcefully to the detriment of Yoruba heritage . It is foolhardy to read all sort of fabled story about one BINI Ashipa, that gave birth to one Ado. Despite, these information, history showed that Alaagba was the father of the ruling house of Eko. This story of BINI's claim of attachment to Yoruba places are filled with inconsistency. I only want Yoruba people to do more on telling the story as been laid down through generations. Else, one day, some BINI people will just create another version of history to tell our future generations of BINIS being the original inhabitants of ILE IFE.

malvisguy212:
thank you my brother.

Thanks to you too. An opener for every Muslim to question the reason, Jesus Christ appeared in both The Holly Bible and The Holy Quran as SINLESS while Muhammad was born into the world of sin as all human beings were born even the greatest prophet in the person of ELIJAH (ELIAS) who didn't die but went to heaven in a chariot of fire .Still, he was classified as the least in the KINGDOM OF GOD ,according to Jesus Christ proclamation. From there, they can gradually differentiate between how to truly CONNECT TO ALMIGHTY GOD. It is well with us.

The Nigeria's school's curriculum is a deterrent to language development. This is the problem with many School proprietors who are of Yoruba descent and don't dim it fit to know the importance of one's language. It is indeed an eye opener. I hope Yoruba language will be sustained.

Yusufmanusman:
Kafir! you real try but one thing i tell you is that! If jesus is a real comforter nothing like Muhammad SAW after him. We muslims thanks Allah Almighty for send is holy Prophet to mankind. Don't let hatred take you hell fire. Allah disgrace kafir the last day.

Amazingly, a lot of Muslims who understand the difference between the uniqueness of birth of Jesus Christ in comparison with Muhammad's can differentiate these two personalities. Jesus is the only comforter known in the history of mankind. He had spiritual power yet, he didn't use them, when he was to be arrested and killed. There was a record of Peter, One of Jesus's disciples, who cut off the ear of one the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus Christ. Instead, Jesus Christ fixed the chopped ear back and inform, the people at that moment, that if it was to fight, he can call legion of angels to fight for him. But for the purpose of his coming to the earth to be fulfilled. From this account, you can clearly, see, that Jesus Christ didn't fight against anyone to believe in GOD, irrespective of other people's willingness to kill for God, like Peter was willing to do. Lastly, there is no part of Jesus Christ account, where he Asked God to forgive him of his own personal SIN, unlike Muhammad that kept asking God for forgiveness because he didn't know exactly where he was going after his demise. How do you now use “Holy" for Muhammad? How do use “comforter " for someone who commit Sin? The reality is that No one can understand and come to Jesus Christ except the father in heaven draws him to Jesus Christ. Bless are the ears that hears and understand. Bless are the blind that sees. Bless are the heart that heed the call of JESUS CHRIST. Peace be unto you IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME.

Hati13:
I'm Ethiopian.

1. I don't know about west African-Jews, but there are Ethiopian-Jews here and in Israel.
2. West and Central Africans slaves were sold with the coalition of both Africans and Europeans. African leaders sold them to get firearms and other lucrative commodities and Europeans bought them for their services.
3. North Africans are a mix of Berbers/Arabs and very little black Africans.
4. Yes, because indirectly it means those poor black Africans.

There are West Africa JEWS. You can pick :


EMERITUS PROFESSOR DIERK LANGE: ORIGIN of THE YORUBA and “The Lost TRIBES of ISRAEL”

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ednited:
politics is just about 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. You can't be loyal having politics around. It is the worst field to express humanity in. Even you have to know both our country's govt have done millions of disgusting stuffs when playing politics. Majority of the smile they show on TV have a bad thought inside

Exact point. So,naturally human beings tends to go to form alliance based on mutual interest. You see, North Korea and its ranting. Yet, the China of this world and Japan of this world are backing the US. The HAMAS of this world with terrorism instincts have begun to change tactics when reality beckon on them. Fighting a war one can not win need tactical approach in forming alliance. It is all about the world we live in,will always make power bloc tilt toward alliances.

AbakalikiPress:
Thanks bro.
I speak the TRUTH as i see it.

I don't sugar quote the facts to impress anybody.

Then,you have to focus your mind on being a real LEADER for your people. All you need to do is connect with your like minds and begin to build your role in impacting the HEART OF EBOE PEOPLE who are in their millions, as the followers.

STAY BLESS




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AbakalikiPress:
The truth is that if everyone reverts to their original ancestries, Yoruba will loose maybe 5 Million people, while Half of the so called Igbos of today might be gone and lost to other tribes forever. Every tribe is a mix, but it so happens that Igbos are a mix more than other tribes. That is WHY we Igbos have no Common citadel or bastion of origin.
Think about it very well.

Talking about Ilaje they share the Yoruba common origin of Ife according to their own oral history, they may ot agree with other Yorubas about the details, but all their kings usually point back to Ife like the other Yorubas. ask Olugbo.

btw: You people always mentioning osogbo and ogbomosho, it's like some of you have a romantic relationship with those towns or something.


I don talk my own sha.

I have gone through your opinion as regard your perspective on your tribe and your mention of BIAFRA. I must confess, you opined like a CHOSEN BREED to lead your TRIBE. You are very truthful with your analysis, which make you one of the few outstanding I have seen in NL forums, without UNJUSTIFIED HATE even if you disagree with Yorubas. ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT FUTURE HOLDS FOR YOU.
Perhaps, I may be WRONG with what I SEE in YOU . ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

IMPRESSIVE.



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AbakalikiPress:
The truth is that if everyone reverts to their original ancestries, Yoruba will loose maybe 5 Million people, while Half of the so called Igbos of today might be gone and lost to other tribes forever. Every tribe is a mix, but it so happens that Igbos are a mix more than other tribes. That is WHY we Igbos have no Common citadel or bastion of origin.
Think about it very well.

Talking about Ilaje they share the Yoruba common origin of Ife according to their own oral history, they may ot agree with other Yorubas about the details, but all their kings usually point back to Ife like the other Yorubas. ask Olugbo.

btw: You people always mentioning osogbo and ogbomosho, it's like some of you have a romantic relationship with those towns or something.


I don talk my own sha.

I have gone through your opinion as regard your perspective on your tribe and your mention of BIAFRA. I must confess, you opined like a CHOSEN BREED to lead your TRIBE. You are very truthful with your analysis, which make you one of the few outstanding I have seen in NL forums, without UNJUSTIFIED HATE even if you disagree with Yorubas. ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT FUTURE HOLDS FOR YOU.

IMPRESSIVE.



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mcfynest:
Will the white write our history for us?

The whites can't write our story for us. However, in Yoruba land, otun wé osi, osi wé otun, lo Owo fin mo. The whites who have no interest in lying will only tell exactly what they heard from people according to their history. The whites didn't come to take away the kingly position when they arrived. Instead they introduced us to their own way of lifestyle to complement ours. And today, we can refer to their work as a guide. If we say, we don't want to do anything with whites, then it is better we stop wearing their clothes, stop driving their cars,boarding their aeroplanes,stop eating their food, stop using their advanced technological equipment such as telephone, even your laptop,satellite etc. The truth is that some people without history knowledge kept trying to twist to favour non existence man that URHOBO DIDNT EVEN KNOW TALKLESS OF EBIRA people. How can IZODUWA be so powerful that, neighbouring people didn't know him until EDO CLAIMED he emerged at ILE IFE which Oba of Lagos claimed in the previous statement credited to him? IT IS WELL WITH YORUBA RACE

absoluteSuccess:
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More like it bro,

Omo iroko n'lado, omo osanyin'lawe.

Omo epo werewere lode ilado.........there are different places called Ilado at different realms It is clear such places are Ile-Ado, as the name implies.

Ilawe Ekiti, well every Yoruba historical word have common underlying meaning,identifying the same ancestor in different names.

Each term must be cross-checked against another., hence you can't study one in isolation without winding up in error, thinking you have it all.

All the answers are not in one place.

If it's true from what I have seen. Descendants of Odu'a across many places,all of them point toward ILE IFE, I just wonder why Oba BINI and Oba Akiolu are lying? . And the word “Ado" is connected with many places in Yoruba land . This is because, I just wonder why Oba Eko has oriki connected to osanyi and wouldn't know his own family history . And you are correct, there is a chain of connection through many Yoruba ancient towns to unravel the mystery. Further more, I think it is high time, Yoruba history is being thought to avoid the collateral distortion as OBA of Lagos has done. An elderly man that doesn't know the history of OLOGUN KUTERU, his own patrilineal father. It is such a shame.

MayorofLagos:
Olu,
In reference to the Idungaran response, Im going to wait for Oba Akiolu to sober up before making comment. It appears he still have a lot to say.

This is what the Oba of Lagos said which were filled with controversies.
The Oba of Lagos, Oba Rilwan Akiolu, has claimed that Lagos State is not part of Yoruba land.
Akiolu’s statement is coming barely a week after he publicly humiliated the Ooni of Ife , Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi at an event.

“Modern day Lagos was founded by Prince Ado, the son of the Oba of Benin, Prince Ado was the first Oba of Lagos, the son of the Bini King, Prince Ado, named the town Eko until the Portuguese explorer Ruy de Segueira changed the Maritime town to Lagos, which at that time from 1942 was Portuguese expedition center down the African Coast.

“The Awori’s and Bini’s are known to be the first settlers of the Eko land. The Awori’s are speakers of a distinct dialect close to that of the Yoruba language with a rich Bini mixture. Traditionally, Awori’s were found in Ile-Ife, they were known to be the Bini’s who followed their self-exiled Prince, the first son of the Ogiso (now called Oba) of Benin Kingdom, whose step-mother was after his head.


“The Oba of Benin was the head of the Benin Empire which are the present day Western, Southern and Eastern modern day Nigeria. The King never obliged anyone to speak the Bini language as he believed everyone was entitled to their own choice of language.

“Until the coming in of the Benin’s 1300AD , Lagos geographical boundary was Lagos mainland, Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing post. No one was living there.
“About 1450 AD some Yorubas who hailed from Isheri in Ogun-state and Ekiti were allowed by the King to settle in Eko during a war, they came in a very large numbers thereby surpassing the numbers of the Awori’s and Bini’s. (Hence Yorubas claim to own Eko due to their numbers).
“Oba Ado fell in love with a beautiful woman whose father was Awori and mother a daughter to one of the chief; they had two sons and also a daughter Erelu Kuti, who begot Ologun Kutere who later became King.”


Culled from:dailypost

Just imagine, what Oba of Obun Eko said which are filled with controversies.

First, he acknowledged that Awori are found in ILE IFE with a Yoruba dialect . Why did OBA of Lagos now claimed BINI Owned Lagos Idungaran?

Oba of Lagos, claimed that Oba of BINI didn't allow anyone to speak BINI language and allowed everyone to speak their own language in Lagos. When in fact, the language spoken by BINI KING in the palace court during 13th—19th Century was YORUBA LANGUAGE. What is the Oba of Lagos saying?

oba of Lagos claimed (“Oba Ado fell in love with a beautiful woman whose father was Awori and mother a daughter to one of the chief; they had two sons and also a daughter Erelu Kuti, who begot Ologun Kutere who later became King.”)

Ashipa (1600–1630) died on the way back to Benin
King Ado (1630–1669) first King of Lagos
King Gabaro (1669–1704)
King Akinsemoyin (1704–1749)
Eletu Kekere (1749)
King Ologun Kutere (1749–1775)

Who was the father of OLOGUN KUTERE?

@mayorof Lagos, it is better the elderly OBA Akiolu stop using YORUBA ORIKI IDENTIFIED WITH OSANYI, ILAWE etc IF HE DECIDE TO CHOOSE, BINI OVER HIS REAL IDENTITY?

DO BINI KNOW ANY ORISA CALLED OSANYI AT ALL?

EVEN OBA BINI HAVE ORIKI, WHERE DID OBA BINI GOT THE ORIKI IF ODU'A WAS EDO?

My problem with Yoruba for over secrecy have backfired because small BINI have decided to keep lying at the face of the truth

People should tell oba of LAGOS THAT IF THEY DON'T KNOW ODU'A STORY, ODU'A DESCENDANTS WILL EDUCATE THEM.

The oriki connected Ado to ILAWE ,is it the same Ilawe Ekiti, founded by ODUA descendants(Amowa and Amope) ?




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Interesting. But I still doubt the part of any prince called Ashipa in BINI. ASHIPA is a core Yoruba word for a chief in YORUBA LAND. I am waiting to read his link to any member of OBA Bini's family. It is absolutely impossible not for ASHIPA of BINI to be without even maternal family.

shigothang:
Saw it but not dropping comments yet, and thats not new maybe to the new kids on the block out there . There is historical link between Benin and Lagos likewise Ife and Benin . So what's your point ? The link is just Lagos islands and environs not Lagos state . You guys need to understand this and more so Aworis are Yoruba sub group same applies to the ilajes . What's the population of Lagos island people . The king he's only covering up his errs . Forever Yoruba owns lagos island and environs and the entire Lagos state . This is just a wake up call for the Yoruba to assert their ownership on the state more and more .
Whatchout for reactions on all fronts .

Don't mind OBA EKO, the king blundered against Ooni . And again he blundered on his utterance on his own lineage by SHORT CHANGING WITH ANOTHER EVEN IF HIS MOTHER WAS CLAIMED TO BE FROM BINI . When in fact, the true story is known everywhere. I have asked EDO people to mention the part of OBA BINI'S lineage that bore ASHIPKA OR ASHIPA, apart from the Man that gave birth to ADO. Something is fishy! After all, 17th century when Ado led Idungaran is still a child's play compared to 14th century history . How come there was only one Ashipa of BINI? Wait and see, who will associate with OBA OF LAGOS again. OBA of Lagos has lost it all.

EDO CHILDREN, I TELL YOU ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE NO HISTORY. GO DO YOUR FINDINGS ON YOUR DEAD IZODUWA WHO HAS NO HISTORY IN YORUBA LAND. A WEAKLING, BARBARIC AND A BANISHED HUMAN BEING THAT HAD DIED IN THE BUSH.
COME AND FACE ME AND LET ME TEACH YOU ABOUT ADIMULA : EMI OMO ORANMIYAN, OMO LAJADOGUN, OMO LAFOGIDO, OMO LUUSI ,OMO ORIMOLAADE etc.
AWON OPURO DÈDÈ.







PROUD DESCENDANT OF O'DUA

AreaFada2:
Olu37 or whatever you call yourself, no amount of copy & paste will stir me to take you seriously.

It appears Benin History Denial is your full-time job. Keep posting lies, at least you have to earn your keep.

My respect for all of you including Seun Osewa is gone. Totally gone.

I can now imagine how Benin/Delta people who had enough of Western Nigerian shenanigans and left to form Midwest Region felt.

If you people have any dream of writing Edo people's history, wake up from it. We are not you people that let Arabs, Malians & Hausa-Fulani write your history.

Leave Seun out of this. You claimed, I copy and paste? didn't I mentioned whom it was copied from? Even one of the princes of BINI called Prince Edu was specifically mentioned, why not defend it?The prince claimed BINI as even owing all European land and I asked you the type of animal associated to Odua, you still can't provide the info and why is the animal(s) associated with Odua and his descendants . I don't even think, you know how vexed I am in my heart, when BINI try to rubbish my father's history. It's the truth fighting against lies. All the clues to link to me if you doubt my own story, is there. Therefore, I expect you to accept the bitter truth. I have given you which you can google the information. Another Oral transfer mentioned ancient people from your region as very wicked, inhuman and Barbaric. My people fought off many people from your part and many moved downward . If some of you think Rev. Samuel Johnson's information is the beginning and the end of Yoruba history, you guys have Erred. I, can authoritatively tell you that, you were not the first to be banned and won't be the last because I was banned on few occasions , when I replied to someone who provoked me and used vulgar words on my personality. Still, I didn't care because I am a man that understand the intricacies of human action. Being banned is part of the rule here despite the fact the Mod(s) are bias at times But someone like me don't CARE. Now, bro, get the fact correctly, you are dealing with Adimula's(Odua) descendant and information I have given have nothing to do with nothing BUT THE TRUTH.



No hard feelings bro, just hitting out the true history of the land of Odua.


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AreaFada2:
Finally I can comment. But you people are pathetic to have silenced me here.
Do not expect me to come and behave in a way you people want. Or expect me to answer your stupid questions. I am actuallly furious for this silly barring fvck up.

I think I was too gentle here. Seun and his absolutely lost my respect.

Ban me, I do not give a rat's poo hole.

The sooner you forget about your "Dr Who" Oduduwa teleporting up and down and family using chain to descend from heaven or some funny hill, the better. As much as it might diminish your Olumo Rock size ego, Izoduwa was no magician
he was simply a Benin prince. A gifted medicine man for sure. Even your little kids if you have any, will tell you how silly your Dr Who desert from Arabia or some God- forsaken place story is. Your citing papers you guys wrote and provided information to write has no merit.

Do you think you are Lai Mohammed and we are the gullible public?

I am happy you aren't banned and if you were,it will deny you the opportunity to learn the Truth. However, don't rejoice because your own Bini creation account mentioned, BINI as the first place to be created. IF odu'a was your powerful prince, what kind of animal are they known with in his family or associated with him? Secondly, why did he forget your EDO GOD
OSAN'OBUWA?

BINI CREATION MYTH
According to Prince Edu Agharese Akenzua , the Enogie of Obazuwa-Iko, near Benin, Edo State "Mythology tells us that kingship in Benin is as old as time; it was there at the time of creation. When OSAN'OBUWA ( God, the Creator) finished creation, He decided to send his sons to live on earth. Before they departed, He asked each one to take along a talent or a gift. Among the talents were wealth, knowledge wisdom and an old snail shell. One of the sons chose wealth, another knowledge,and another wisdom. When the youngest was to choose, only the old snail shell and a couple of nondescript items were left.
As he wondered which to take, a hornbill emerged and whispered to him to choose the dirty, old snail shell. What would he do with an old snail shell? But he obeyed the hornbill and told OSA N'BUWA he wanted the shell. They set forth on their journey, each in his boat. They arrived at their destination and found it was water. The boats could not berth. The hornbill appeared again and told him to pour the shell's content into the water. As he did so, the water solidified: land emerged and rolled forth into the distance. He anchored his boat and stepped onto TERRA FIRMER. OSA N'BUWA was impressed by the intuition which made his youngest son choose the shell. God named the land EDO and made him king over it.

EDO FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH HISTORY
courtesy: kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.


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So the new line is that the malian empire was Yoruba ? Please do you hear yourself ? You talk like a crazy person. As I keep saying let us deal with facts. The Oduduwa story is mere unverrifyable fiction. History and religion are two different things. Enough said. Next time you want to claim something attach a proof to it !

Now, I find it hard to understand some of you people. However, I will act as my father's acted in the time past, which is to show forth humility always and show forth strength when trampled upon. I will like you to read it again, where I mentioned MALI. I said, Yoruba had been patronised by Mali around 11th century. Now, where did I mention, Yoruba is Mali? Lastly, Odua isn't fictitious. If it was true that Odua was a fiction, how come In Ife there is still a ram's head in granite, almost life-size, and ceremonial stools carved in single pieces from solid pieces of quartz. But it is the
terracotta sculpture (and bronzes)? Did I, myself fall from Heaven? There are millions of his descendants and I am one of them. If I am passing this info,is because someone like you, will read it through me. I have given an information about myself, if you doubt,go to ILE IFE and ask. The traditionalists, will tell you exactly where the location of All patrilineal Odua descendants are. If you can go to ILE IFE, google USI EKITI and OWALUSI. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND BETTER.



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AreaFada2:
Lol. No Yoruba invaded an inch of Edo land.

Whereas Benin took large swathes of Yorubaland, especially Eastern Yorubaland. I know because I still have relatives there including a first class King. The boundary agreed between Benin Empire & Oyo was at Otun (today in Northern Ekiti). The treaty was between Aare Ona Kankanfo of Oyo & Iyase Ekpenede of Benin. Check your history. And Benin founded Lagos monarchy through Esipka/Asipa & Prince Ado of Benin. Benin practically lost Lagos when Oba Kosoko was deposed in 1854 (actual signing of Epe Treaty with the British). That history is well-known. A son of a late Oba of Lagos personally confirmed that history to me. Oba Adolo of Benin instructed Oba/Eleko Dosunmu to allow Kosoko return from Epe to Lagos in 1860. But with British naval guns supporting him & British controlling him, it was the first time an Eleko dared to refuse Benin's command & officially stop paying annual tribute to Benin.

Over the years here on NL many of your people have come up with mushroom papers that hold no water. Only to disappear. None of them has even dared to claim Yoruba invasion of Benin land. Your own new invention is like AY comedy. Very dry indeed.
Julius Caesar is relevant because it shows leadership & organisation is key, not size. And the Oba himself led army to war, like Caesar did.

When Omonoyan, son of Izoduwa returned to Benin, he never even set foot in Benin. Some powerful Benin chieftains led by Chief Ogiamien refused him access to Ogiso palace. It took his great grandson (4 generations later) Oba Ewedo to overcome the resistance & enter Benin City proper. The heat of politics was too much that Omonoyan (Oranmiyan) left Benin suburb that he stayed and returned to Yorubaland. A relative of mine remains the Duke of one of the ancient Villages near Omonoyan's palace. Though Benin suburb today, they were outside villages then.
The Oba took his Regnal title Ewuare, last year on the same grounds near my relative's palace, just like Omonoyan's son Eweka I first did in about 1170AD. The issue of invasion does not arise.

It is nothing new for a royal relative in another land to return as King. In 1714, George Elector of Hanover, Germany, became King George I of England, being the closest relative of Childless Queen Anne of England who was trusted to be non-catholic. The Royal family of today comes from that German King. Being German & not keen on staying in England, he Chose Robert Walpole to become The First Minister. That is how Prime Minister position began in England. No invasion.

The Danish-German prince that became King of Greece is the ancestor of Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth of England today. Many other examples, earlier & later abound. E.g. William, Duke of Normandy (France) waged war on England's King Harold to reclaim the crown of his relative King Edward The Confessor, only because the crown due him was usurped by King Harold. That was even in 1066.

You need to understand comparative history to free your mind from narrow tribalistic chest-beating.

Omonoyan was a returnee Ogiso descendant. Via Prince Ekaladerhan who took Izoduwa as regnal name in Ife.

I am not talking based just on books. But based on history that lives & breathes in Benin. Used daily in songs, proverbs, morning greeting "oriki", royal ceremonial re-enactments, traditional worship, etc. Each time I visit my relative's palace there, the whole history of Eweka dynasty is rekindled.

What did we need Ebira for?
Benin was an astute Empire builder. Ebira was not on a trade route we needed, so why needed them? Whereas Eastern Yorubaland was useful. And Lagos Lagoon was important too from the Atlantic on the other side as was part of Ijebu on land towards Lagos.

Benin had to manage human & material resources very efficiently for best results. We didn't have populations needing huge land for resettlement. We needed vassals paying tributes & facilitating security & trade while maintaining core Benin population in Benin area. To the point prohibiting slave trading in Benin persons or by Benin persons & tribal tatoos & marks were made to identify Benin citizens.
Benin was one of the few nations worldwide with a standing army under Chief Ezomo, field commander of royal Army. A fact confirmed in the 1700s by A French slave trader who tried in vain to buy shiploads of slaves from the strong army of Benin from Ezomo. The same time Oyo thrived on slave trade.

Mr. man, stop churning out lies. There is no-one called IZODUWA. How many times do I have to inform you on this? I am a descendant of Odua and history pass down has nobody from Edo coming to ILE IFE being genealogical connection. The Falsified lies that you people claimed About Adimula is enough. How will someone come from somewhere and gave his first male child, a name which isn't from his historical tribe ,but which is a name of another people? Do you not know Fagbamila orangan ILE ILA was the first legitimate male child? Odu'a didn't even visit EDO till he passed on to great beyond. Thank God that ODUA didn't visit, the place because you people would have said, after all, he came visiting his ancestral home. This would have been another dimension to it. I just wonder why OONI didn't walk out on Oba BINI when he saying trash about history of ODU'A? Perhaps, Oba BINI would have known the implication of addressing issue that history didn't BACK BINI up. If Bini was strong, how come She didn't influence every area she claimed to have conquered militarily? What about Language influence? Do you even know Odua wasn't a black man? if you don't know, Oranmiyan was half caste (having partly black and partly white colour complexion?) Do you even know Odua came with a Sacred Stone? And again, you said, you don't need to attack Ebira, because they aren't disturbing your trade. If that it true, how come excavation done at Ebira kingdoms is connected to BINI and Nri?how come BINI pendant is alike was excavated in Ebira land? YORUBA don't copy others, but all of you copy us.You mentioned invasion from French businessmen or Full Army command? If Ijaw don't even recognize you, how will Calabri people know you? BINI as I have mentioned didn't have an edge apart from trade influence. Clapperton, came through the Bight of BINI in 1822 through Oyo and spent seven weeks in Kuntaga, how come BINI didn't have record of this, despite the fact, he came with small Military unit .If Complex location as the Niger tribes didn't have knowledge of tribes apart from Itsekiris,then Bight of BINI was a route to connect into interior part of Northern part f the present day Nigeria. No language influence, no military influence, no spiritual influence. How do you now dominate another group if you are not more advanced than such group? The traditional clothes Bini wear are Yorubas.The Ogun, you BINI worships was Yoruba and the father of Oranmiyan. The IFA, you consult is from Yoruba etc. The reality is that, BINI, decided not to attack Ebira because there is a connection. If Bini claimed to indigenous people, considering URHOBO, history, then , there is a connection to Ebira that claimed to be part of old EDO family.

EDO FABRICATED LIES AGAIN ABOUT CREATION.

Myth (Creation)
Their mythical story of creation says that Edo is the candle of the world (“Edo ore Isi Agbon”). They say that when God Almighty was creating the world, he also created the king who was to rule the various parts of the world. This is the ORIGIN of the SAYING THAT “OBA YAN OTO SE EVBO EBO” meaning that the OBA OWNS THE LAND UP TO THE EUROPEAN COUNTRY.

PEOPLE CAN LIE;
THIS EVENT TOOK PLACE IN 2013
‘EDO PEOPLE: AFRICA`S MOST POPULAR AND ARTISTIC PEOPLE FROM NIGERIA THAT BUILT THE PRE=COLONIAL ANCIENT AND POWERFUL BENIN KINGDOM'

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YORUBA MYTH IN HER GLORY DIDN'T CLAIM THEY OWN LAND EVEN TO THE LAND OF EUROPEANS.

EDO AS A COSMOPOLITAN CITY
The Esan, the Afemai, The Isoko, the Urhobo and others see themselves as distinct ethnic group though they are all of Edoid origin. As a result, the Edo (proper) now occupy seven out of the 18 Local Government Areas of the Edo State which constitute 57.54% while others Esan (17.14%) Afemai compirising of Etsako (12.19%), Owan (7.43%), and Akoko Edo (5.70%). However, the Igala-speaking communities exist in Esan South East, Igbira related communities in Akoko and Afemai Areas as well as Urhobos, Izons, Itsekiris and Yoruba communities in Ovia North East and South West Local Government Areas especially in the borderlands.

AT EVEN THE HEIGHT OF DISTORTION, EDO CLAIMED ITSEKIRI GAVE THE EDO; ILE UBINI
‘Itsekiris, another sub group in the Edo clans call Edos as UBINI,which came into use during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great in 1440. Tradition asserts that it is derived from ILE-IBINU, which is descriptive of the exasperation and frustration encountered in Benin City, by Prince Oranmiyan of ILE-IFE. There is no research that proved that, it was the Itsekiris who gave that name, to the people living in and around Benin City.'


ACCOUNT OF BRITISH INCURSION TO BINI CITY SAID BINI WAS A DEPOPULATED TOWN. WHERE DID THEY NOW HAD PEOPLE TO FIGHT BRITISH ARMY, WHEN IN FACT, BINI DIDN'T HAVE ABLE BODIED MEN TO FIGHT.


LICK YOUR WOUND, PEPPER SELLER, IVORY SELLER, PALM OIL SELLER, CLAIMING BIGHT OF BINI.

RESPECT MY LINEAGE. PROUDLY YORUBA

aljharem:
i think you are the one that is deluded here. Before the word Yoruba land we had oodua country. Go and read your history very well.

Now to address the oba's utterances, he is clearly deluded as you and I think he is sick. I even have more claim to the throne than him but tinubu game has back fired once again. I will show you my household close to Freeman way. The oba knows he was never meant to be the king at the first place after oyekan.

Listen to the oba at your own peril. We are yorubas I cannot speak for others in Lagos but Lagos Island, Iru (vi), Lagos mainland and Ikoyi are all yorubas , the land is Yoruba ko de si baba nla baba bini to le ni pe ti won ni.

And yes I am talking as an authority

Kaarè Omo erujéjé ODU'A. Don't worry, God of our fathers will stand by us because we were into love, unity and harmony. Oba to jé ti ilu toro Oruko é ko ni paré Oba to si jé ti ilu o si tòró ba kan na Oruko é ko ni paré. It just dawned on YORUBA NOW, that TINUBU BLUNDERED SO MUCH In the appointment of a Friend on a stool, a wise and humble person ought occupy. WHAT A PITY. HOWEVER, I sincerely hope we don't have such a king in Yoruba land that will want to bring disunity among Yorubas . God bless you

leathalbeast:
dude, if those companies belonged to a Nigerian, you would easily have identified it. I just proved to you that ecobank is not owned by a Nigerian. you can continue beating about the bush. it's your own business.

I will help you,out bro. One of the countries Founder is a Togolese, called Gervais Djondo. Do the other research yourself.

Hati13:
I'm saying, he was an ordinary person in reality, but there followers glorified him.

What difference does it makes to the truth, if first world countries call his name. Read online or see documentaries about Jesus and you will know who he really was. He had 6 or 7 siblings. He even had girlfriends. Everything you know about him is the opposite. He was a ordinary human just like us.

No, I don't know. It's just like saying, "there is an effect before a cause". There is no such things like that!

You said, you know God/Jesus. I know you are a man of reason, so tell me your concrete evidences to support your claim? I know, I will not get an answer, but let me hear you.

What six or seven sibling? c'mon, all these are just fabled story. The same online will still be used to counter YOUR VIEW. And ordinary man can't be written about and acknowledge both in Quran and Bible, despite differences. In fact, Yoruba Religion have knowledge of ALMIGHTY GOD called ‘Eledumare', ‘Eledua' and 'Olorun '. As far as the world is concern, Jesus isn't an ordinary man. If he was, logically, how can he be the MOST POPULAR HUMAN BEING AFTER HE WAS SAID TO BE HAVE BEEN KILLED OVER 2000 YEARS AGO?. CAN YOU EVEN REMEMBER SOMEONE AS POWERFUL AS THAT WITHOUT USING A SWORD ON PEOPLE TO WORSHIP HIM AND ACKNOWLEDGING HIM? He is so REAL

Children of distortion won't stop until their heads are remoulded properly. SOME OF THESE CHILDREN CAN NOT DIFFERENTIATE WHITE MAN'S ACCOUNT AND REALITY ON GROUND. “BIGHT OF BENIN" was an English word used to describe location that part of region which were used by whites to connect to interior part of Niger Area through Yoruba land. CLAPPERTON STAYED SEVEN (7) WEEKS AT KATUNGA AND WAS ENTERTAINED
BINI WAS A BLOODY PEPPER SELLER AND IVORY SELLER DURING THE PERIOD SHE CONNECTED TO EUROPEAN VISITORS.
PEPPER SELLING GROUP CLAIMING KINGDOM.

SET OF CLOWNS ARE MANY IN DIFFERENT FORUMS ON NL.

history2901:
The guys defending the "Yoruba-narrative" (eg Olu317) are not being reasonable.
I am quite tired of talking to people who keep acting like mental patients.
These guys confuse the present and the past, they confuse an empire and its capital. They can't understand the concept that a city in a country can not be as big as the country. Following these guys logics rome was also a small town and never an empire !
these guys rank bear parlour stories above historical documents.
This fooool is telling me Benin had no influence in the region while at the same time he talks about "Benin republic", a country previously called Dahomey and which renamed itself after the Benin empire !
Please Yaba-left, stop giving the internet to your patients, they are disturbing the natural order of things.

The name of BINI was a Yoruba word. ILE IBINU which changed to BINI and now BENIN. So, get it to your understanding. Someone like you is really beneath me if we look at lineage. You personally have no history. This was how LANDLOCKED BINI became popular;
The Portuguese visited Benin City around 1485. Benin grew rich during the 16th and 17th centuries due to trade within southern Nigeria, as well as through trade with Europeans, mostly in pepper and ivory.
the early 16th century the Oba sent an ambassador to Lisbon, and the King of Portugal sent Christian missionaries to Benin. Some residents of Benin could still speak a pidgin Portuguese in the late 19th century. Many Portuguese loan words can still be found today in the languages of the area.
On 1 February 1852 the whole Bight of Benin became a British protectorate, where a consul represented the protector, until on 6 August 1861 the Bights of Biafra and Benin became a united British protectorate, again under a British Consul.
BINI'S NAME WAS USED TO ACKNOWLEDGED WHERE THEY CAME TO BUY IVORY AND PEPPER ONLY AND NOT BECAUSE OF PSEUDO EMPIRE WHICH IS BASELESS. BRITISH COLONIALISTS HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE WARRING PEOPLE. SIR LORD LUGGARD WROTE ABOUT HIS OPINION ON SOME TRIBES HE MET IN NIGERIA.

CLAPPERTON WROTE ABOUT YORUBA MASQUE(ART); Bain Hugh Clapperton (18 May 1788 – 13 April 1827) was a Scottish naval officer and explorer . He came through bight of BINI and yet had no knowledge of BINI'S EXPLOIT BUT PASS THROUGH TO COME TO KATUNGA. BINI WAS STILL FAR AWAY LEARNING FROM YORUBA, THEIR COLONIAL MASTER

ENJOY IT WHILE YOU LICK YOUR SORE WOUND

history2901:
It is getting very hard to discuss with your ilks.
You just keep making unsubstantiated claims.
For your information there are documents written during the colonial era which show that only the Oba of Benin was holding the title "Oba".
That proves that the Yoruba chiefs copied it.
I am getting tired of your oduduwa fairytale. Let us talk about real history, not about demi-gods.
Why do you keep saying Bini instead of Benin ?
I wonder if you do realize that Benin is a name which belongs to the Edo and the Benin empire. (The name doesn't belong to Benin republic)
I also wonder if you realize that Dahomey renamed itself Benin republic only after independence from france.
You seem very confused.
Wait a minute I can remember that I already corrected you on some of these issues on an other nairaland page.
Conclusion: you are brain dead.

AM I CRAZY? OF COURSE NOT, I AM NOT CRAZY. FOR ANY VULGAR WORD, YOU USE ON ME, YOU HAVE LAID A CAUSE ON YOURSELF. THIS STILL SHOWS HOW YOU LACKED ETIQUETTE. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE 1/10th OF WHAT I HAVE UP IN MY HEAD. YOU HAVE NO FAMILY LINEAGE, YOU CAN BE PROUD OF . YOU KEPT GOING OUT OF CONTENT. WHERE AGAIN DID I MENTION, BRITISH FOUGHT AGAINST DAHOMEY? I WILL REFRAIN MYSELF FROM DEALING WITH A YOUNG FELLOW LIKE YOU DESPITE YOUR PROVOCATION. I WON'T LEAD YOU TO YOUR BAN. IF NOT BECAUSE OF INTERNET AND ALL THAT, CAN YOU EVER IN YOUR LIFE USE A VULGAR WORD ON MY PERSONALITY? KUDOS TO YOU THOUGH FOR YOUR UNCULTURED ATTITUDE. IF I HAD AN EDO OF OVER 26 YEARS AGO, HOW OLD WOULD YOU IMAGINE OF ME?
BOOKS WERE WRITTEN BEFORE YOU WERE BORN ON EDO, HISTORY AND MANY REFERENCES WERE MADE, STILL YOU KEPT DIGRESSING FROM THE ACTUAL FACT. THERE ARE PLACES IN EDO WITH ONOGIE TITLE,OBA TITLES IN EDO STATE, HOW COME YOU COME HERE SPEWING IRRELEVANT MAP?
URHOBO, PEOPLE MIGRATED OUT EDO BECAUSE OF PROTEST WHEN ORANMIYAN CAME AND WERE PART OF EFA GROUP BEFORE ORANMIYAN CAME,YOU STILL COME ON SPITTING TRASH.
READ:The Efa : Mysterious Aborigines of Edoland | Dmitri Bondarenko ...
OBA OF BINI IS A TENANT


Enjoy the photo attached herein

I REST MY CASE AGAINST YOU

history2901:
Benin had a huge empire and its capital was named Benin City, here is proof:
Below is a pre-colonial map drawn in the 17th century.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=biafra?rk=21459;2

Who drew the Map? Why did all the maps provided by you people didn't have Mahin(Ugbo/Igbo/ ILAJE grouping)? What about Itsekiri? This still pointed out to one thing, that the people who did that map as at this time, didn't realise people of greater number and importance to even small town called BINI lived in the interior of Savannah.
Bénin in (dahomey account against Yoruba) www​.newworldencyclopedia.org/.../
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Dahomey

That was the account of another kingdom, witnessed and recorded account by both British and French of a kingdom, Who fought against Yoruba. And at one time paid tributes to Yoruba Kingdom. How come you didn't fight Ebira Kingdom when in fact, you claimed mighty Edo? Ebira have no knowledge of prowess BINI MILITARY WAREFARE. This same Ebira knows Yoruba story,fought against Yoruba. Tapa Fought against Yoruba . The record is there that showed this. SHOW ME ONE KINGDOM THAT HAD KNOWLEDGE OF BINI MILITARY DOMINANCE FOR 10 YEARS ONLY? Yoruba culture is too strong to be subdued. My friend, You had no history before Yoruba and without Yoruba, you have no history.

leathalbeast:
these are the real owners of ecobank.

You quoted companies names that represents individuals owning shares in Business. I asked you to give me the names of SHAREHOLDERS.

leathalbeast:
no one is denying Nigeria's contribution to ecobank but its not a Nigerian bank. check from Wikipedia.

Wiki will not give you the names of Board of directors. Does it have names of directors?

fanficgirl:
Yes, I said Nigeria has a huge part in it but it isn't exclusively Nigerian

NOT EVEN NIGERIA but people. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU NEED DO CAREFUL RESEARCH ON THE BANK. WHY IS THE HEADQUARTER SITUATED AT TOGO IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS, KINDLY DO THOROUGH RESEARCH ON IT.