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AworiLagosian:
Igbo and Yoruba language can never be under the same Language family.

They are too different to be in the same family. Have you ever heard people speaking Igbo, especially those Abia people? na die compare to Yoruba.

It is really disheartening seeing this bitter truth when in fact, Yoruba have language similarities with Egypt as well as Israel. Hausa is classified as Afro Asiatic while Yoruba is classified as Niger—Congo when in fact is shouldn't be.
In linguistics , a noun class is a particular category of nouns . A noun may belong to a given class because of the characteristic features of its referent, such as sex, animacy, shape, but counting a given noun among nouns of such or another class is often clearly conventional. Some authors use the term " grammatical gender " as a synonym of "noun class", but others use different definitions for each. Imagine the classification with
Yoruba , Igbo , Fula , Shona and Zulu . How on earth will they classify Yoruba with the after mentioned tribes?
Yoruba have words related to Egypt and Hebrew
“B" is to rise in ancient Egypt and in Yoruba is bring forth.
Hebrew
Aya for bird is Éyé in Yoruba
Elija is the Lord is the Lord is my God and in Yoruba Éleda(that dwell in one's head) is My God
Ba'al is owner of a place as well as father And in Yoruba Baalè/Baalé is father(husband)as well as lord over a place /overseer
Eliasa is God has created while in Yoruba Ela(roo-waa-aaa) was the first created by Eledumare (God)

Whatever, cretaria that was used must be archaic

Which among the grouped people with Yoruba do share 40% of following same meaning with Yoruba language

African Star Apple is Agbalumo
Ground Hornbill is Akalamagbo
Eagle is Idi
Pouched Rat is Okete
African Teak Tree is Iroko
Grasshopper is Abutata
Bumblebee is Alabonbon
Mosquito Larva is Tanwiji
Parrot is Odidere
Tangerine is Ahoboro
Chameleon is Oga
Guinea Pig is Emo
Lawyer is Amofin
Television is Amohunmaworan
Gecko is Omonile
Dwarf is Arara
Sand is Iyepe
Chair is Aga
Gourd is Akeregbe
Trumpet is Kaakaki
Milk is Wara
Bald-head is Apari
Cassava is Ege
Roof is Orule
Lightning is Monamona
Squirrel is Okere
Lantern is Atupa
Mountain is Oke
Sky is Oju-Orun
Gorilla is Inaki
Herbalist is Alagbo
Mud is Erofo
Pot is Ikoko
Palmwine is Emu
Freshwater snail is Isawuru
Python is Ere
Handshake is I’bowo
Mirror is Jigi
Cowrie is Owo-eyo
Garlic is Aayu
Jewellery is Eso
Mouse is Eku
Catfish is Aro
Toad is Akere
Tiger is Ekun
Walnut is Asala
Tortoise is Alabahun
Road is Ona
Potato is Odunku
Star is Irawo
Pin is Okinni
Tamarind is Awin
Flower is Ododo
Lobster is Okasa
Ladder is Akaba
Canoe is Oko-Ojuomi
Rabbit is Ehoro
Anthill is Okiti-Ogan
Owl is Owiwi
Cloud is Ofurufu
Scorpion is Akeeke
Tilapia is Epiya

It is just one of the area linguist need look into

bigfrancis21:
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Lol. Here's the source bro:
https://tracingafricanroots.files./2015/06/chambers-2002-table1-estimated-percentage-of-igbo-captives1.jpg

What next are you going to come up with?

Stop this fabrication. YOU WERE KNOWN BY THE EUROPEANS AS IBOS /YEEBOS. This is my Reason your story can't be bought by the Western world . And the fabrication of your new identity of “IGBO" came into existence in the early 20th century. I will never take Ibos serious until documents prove otherwise. No known Western historians have accepted your cooked story because there are record of dealing during those years. Ibos were weaker breeds with high rate in suicide. Unlike Yorubas that had a tradition which was and still embedded in “ERI"/ORI CONCEPT. This was the reason the Slave trade merchants don't like buying Ibos. So, forget all the pseudo source(s) you kept churning out. Ibos were weakling. If it's not true, HOW COME FEW ELEMENTS OF YOUR PEOPLE IN THE NEW WORLD DIDN'T SUSTAIN “AFA" RELIGION DIED AND IT WAS IFA FROM YORUBA LAND THAT WAS ACCEPTED? I mentioned AFA because some of the captured slaves were from NRI CLAN. And again on “oga", I have seen the manner at which you tried to make it look as if it was a western world's borrowed. Have you not read about Yoruba dealing with foreign traders from different part of the world during the manufacturing of glass beads era? Oga has been used in Yoruba land for more 100(s) of years without even knowing the period the word came into existence. Do you know the first person to try to do work on Yoruba Language wasn't REV. SAMUEL AJAYI CROWTHER? REV. Ajayi Crowther only modernised Yoruba language, if you don't know. Kudos to him though. Take your time MR because you will get your finger burnt if you delve into area you aren't too familiar wit.

SUNNYsparkle:
Olu... I like your contributions. I will sure read this and learn more even. Thanks Bro

Thank you too for the compliment. We are trying to establish fact ranging from oral historical account, Art, ethnography, Archaeological finding etc and linking it up more with DNA.

SUNNYsparkle:
Olu... I like your contributions. I will sure read this and learn more even. Thanks Bro

Thank you too for the compliment.

bigfrancis21:
@bold...you are very right bro.

Yeah,So many words gave way for new ones. Yoruba original was more descriptive in nature. Now , take for instance , archaic Yoruba word for lie or denial was o sé/ sé and it is still in use in the rural area. Was word found in olden days iboland close to that? What about IHARÈ?

bigfrancis21:
I was expecting you to bring up the krio people of SL and you did just that.

The section of people often considered part of the krio community though they are often considered separate are the oku people who are descendants of yoruba slaves destined for the new world who got their slave ships intercepted and they were dumped in Sierra Leone instead. The okun peopke are often not considered part of krio, though sometimes they are, because they are mostly moslems, with some minority christians. They are the people with Yoruba last names or first names, though majority of them have assimilated and dropped Nigerian names.

The creole people proper are those descended from slave returnees from jamaica, the US, caribbean etc. and they are predominantly christian with English names in full. Some of the creole people bear Igbo names such as:

1. The first president of Sierra Leone was an Igbo by the name of Christopher Okoro Cole. Before then, Okoro served as the Governor-General of Sierra Leone. His ascendancy into the presidential seat took place on April of 1971.

2. In April of 1992, an Igbo by the name of Captain Yahya Kanu became Military Head of State of Sierra Leone.

3. Sam Obi Metzeger: a SL soccer player for the SL national team.

https://sierraexpressmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Metzger.jpg

Obi is a popular name answered among the creole people of SL and it means 'king' just as it is in Igbo.

4) My colleague from SL whose name is Chinua Freeman (Freeman = Amadi in Igbo).

Any many more.

In summary, the creole people do not bear yoruba names but the okun people do. Thus, when you speak about the yorubas in SL, you refer specifically to the okun people who are often differentiated from the creole people proper because the Okuns never really left Africa whereas the ancestors of the creole people (including Igbo-descended returnees such as Simon Jonas, author of the Isoama Ibo manuscript) returned to Africa from the new world.

Mr....Stop twisting it. Obi was a name also borne in Yoruba land in the olden days. It has nothing to do with Krio. Besides,the krio I insist have different fusion. And largely of Yoruba descent. You can help yourself with a book from one of their historian.Enjoy it

SUNNYsparkle:
http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Egyptian_hypothesis&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQ0gIIDSgAMAA&usg=AFQjCNE6u4h-cZuTzb0YSD1ueIJQ4OC9fw


http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.lisapoyakama.org/en/the-ancient-egyptians-were-black/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQFggTMAI&usg=AFQjCNEDWXU-Nu33iIDCns2yU3Ad4r1Ilw

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.lisapoyakama.org/en/the-ancient-egyptians-were-black/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQFggTMAI&usg=AFQjCNEDWXU-Nu33iIDCns2yU3Ad4r1Ilw

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/10/25/10-arguments-that-proves-ancient-egyptians-were-black/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQFggWMAM&usg=AFQjCNHqO3x_Fsrkku71s1P_JVrsdc39lQ




http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dc-wyBXnYgXI&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiPhKev9PnTAhVJZlAKHcgWCAoQtwIIKDAJ&usg=AFQjCNEO-0dkwcMGNNjhN4i5aPG5nGSnRw

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0OY3jsaOGAA&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj7o_qm9fnTAhVIZlAKHZZUC984ChC3AggOMAE&usg=AFQjCNGv2V3SDuA1169yVADqtdJDhsJE0g


http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXYXE3tnXVKo&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj7o_qm9fnTAhVIZlAKHZZUC984ChC3AggRMAI&usg=AFQjCNGWzDOerfdnO4p8yqDK2jZRct4zQQ

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Elam_Iran_1.htm&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwijvpLa9fnTAhWHJ1AKHS52A8QQFggYMAU&usg=AFQjCNEG9VLtRzqaOmvNAP5IYH4qcIAqgg



http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/584849-The-Ancient-Iranians-and-Iraqis-were-black-part-1/page4&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwijvpLa9fnTAhWHJ1AKHS52A8QQFggjMAk&usg=AFQjCNHfmfWxE6EpDH9j7ApmPONb5_TvYA

I studied Human Ecology in Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) - Brussels - Belgium.

Read! And say confusionist

You will be amazed reading this:“WEST-AFRICAN ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE: THE CASE OF IGBO –
DISCUSSIONS ON A NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE ON THE WEST
AFRICAN ORIGIN OF MODERN LANGUAGES"

Have you seen most of the physical Structure of older Egyptians ?Their noses were always BROKEN OFF, WHY?
The Egyptians may claimed they don't have link with sub-Saharan Africa but they do, even if Islam changed the face of their HISTORY. Though there different Pharaoh that reigned which was due to one conquest or the other but they had link with Sub-Saharan Africa. The ancient Wahibre, One of the Pharaoh .Wahibre Ibiau (throne name: Wahibre ; birth name: Ibiau) was an Egyptian king of the 13th Dynasty , who reigned c. 1670 BC for 10 years 8 months and 29 days according to the Turin King List .However, from the period of Babylonians,Greeks ,Romans and Islamists, Egypt went through a lot which made them have diverse origin. According to the project's calculations, the majority of Egyptian DNA is comprised of 68% North African genes. However, Egyptians DNA makeup also shows that 3% originates from Southern Europe, 3% from Asia Minor, 3% from Eastern Africa, and 4% from the Jewish Diaspora. What is most staggering about the report is that nationals of the "Arab Republic of Egypt" are only 17% Arab.

bigfrancis21:
Lol. You are very funny. You think you want to play the game of who has the most famous pastor? Is that what true religion or spirituality is about? Whatever dude, if in your small mind T B Joshua is the most popular pastor of all times and century so be it.

What's the point of mentioning those handful of African Americans? If I start listing those of Igbo ancestry, there would be so many of them.

1) Blair Underwood: I am not even going to argue with you on this one. Read from his mouth himself:
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DNA testing comprises of 3 major parts, the 2 major ones are Y-DNA test (which tests your paternal ancestry) and mt-DNA test which tests your maternal ancestry. Blair is said to be paternally descended from the Igbo of Nigeria and maternally from Cameroon.

2)

I laugh in spanish. If using google is quite difficult for you, it is truly a pity.



http://news.sl/drwebsite/exec/view.cgi?archive=3&num=148

Another website:

https://getd.libs.uga.edu/pdfs/fields_antar_p_200508_ma.pdf

Or maybe you are going to ask me if he existed also or proof that he is of Igbo ancestry. That would be very preposterous.

3) Booker T. Washington

The T. in his name stands for Taliaferro, not Tanifeani, which is an Italian name for 'ironcutter'. Most history books are silent on his ancestral origins and it is not confirmed that he is of Yoruba ancestry, thus, his name should not be on your list. If there is anyone claiming here, it should be you claiming Booker T. Washington. Are you this desperate for attention and relevance?

4) I could not find any proof of the DNA-test confirmation of the Yoruba ancestry of Theo Martins, Yoruba Richen or Robert Johnson Omohundro, other from the yoruba-centric page on facebook, https://www.facebook.com/TheYorubaPeople/posts/305329309573064, where you copied and pasted your info from. I think it is quite clear to everyone that the popularity of the ifa religion may make several black-descended peoples identify with the religion or tribe, but are not necessarily descended from it. If you have solid proof they ARE of Yoruba ancestry please provide it for us.

The only 3 confirmed people of Yoruba ancestry on your list of 7 are 3: Judge Hatchett, Kareem Jabbar and Carleton Brown.

Speaking about names, several confirmed african americans of Igbo ancestry are taking on Igbo names and returning to the Igbo fold. One of them is an african american who entirely changed her name to Chinyere Njoku.
http://www.dnatestedafricans.org/?lightbox=dataItem-izwv64nd


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbkl9Ib_m4&t=211s

Krio Sierra Leone : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krio_language

www​.revolvy.com/.../index.php?...

zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/.../1/

All the links I have given are basically krio of Sierra Leone . The main group named their were different fusion of tribes as krio but largely dominated by Yoruba because their names say so. Then another core group are the OKU(OKUN)which is basically OKUN PEOPLE OF YORUBA DESCENT. How come you claim Blyde as Ibo? That's the point. Krio largely bear Yoruba names and they are predominantly Christians. You are the ones I need to mock. So, you don't know Omohundro is Yoruba. You don't need to know though. However, you started the game of T.D JAKE, why turn around claiming innocent? YOU ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED though not in the court of law.

Probz:
How many times did you called or call him? Don't lay into someone if your grammar's a joke.

If you are looking out for people's faute ,puis, you will chercher et fatigué. You can do better than picking on people's mistake(s).

bigfrancis21:
@bold...oh it is a huge surprise that you acknowledged that.

No one compared Igbo-ukwu and Ife artworks and you are the first to jump into comparing both. Ife artworks are mostly heads but Igbo ukwu artworks are not only heads but pendants, beads, pots, etc. The difference in level of finesse, detail and quality between both artworks is not the same. Go read their descriptions again and come back to me.

I don't believe in falsification of information which tend to be mocked after a while . Instead, I believe in being studious and acquiring information from such study. I strongly believe in the usage of all forms of method known to mankind in getting my fact. So, I don't believe in pretence to claim what's not. Radiocarbon test, Family chain(geneology), DNA, Art on Bronze heads and other Terracotta Sculptures,Costly Beads with inscription of Solomon's knob (Endless Knob) for royal families, Noble families , Clothing manufacturing etc proves the point that my tribe isn't from ILE IFE and it helped my own research and history to be true against some Afrocentric coloured men within my Ethnicity whose ideology are restricted to ILE IFE and environs which very unlike the local people that believe that they came from the Middle East . So, Igbo Ukwu is older than ILE IFE when radiocarbon test's was carried out.

bigfrancis21:
Lol. Igbos have never claimed aso ebi, so using that example to buttress your 'claim' of oyinbo is totally irrelevant. The English language has borrowed words and also its native words. I won't even go further with you and absolutesuccess on whether Olaudah existed or not. No western think tank group thinks he's fake except for two half-baked so-called african historians, that's what's more important. Lol

PS: The fame of TB Joshua is nowhere close to that of T. D. Jakes, an African American pastor of Igbo descent. You go figure.

I will take it from the last ,T. B Jake that doesn't have Bishop Oyedepo's congregation or pastor Adeboye's congregation. T.B Joshua likewise other Yoruba pastors are from Nigeria. Secondly, I wonder if T.B Jake's DNA make him Ibo. I don't have his DNA details but I will want you to prove it because Ibos can make things up. I can recall that Ibos have mischievously lied on so many occasions. For instance

Blair Underwood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Underwood

1) Underwood's DNA test showed that he is a descendant of the Babungo people of Cameroon. Additional DNA testing and genealogical research revealed that his African ancestry comes from the Bamum, Brong, Yoruba, and lgbo ethnic groups of Western Africa.The DNA test also connected Blair to a distant cousin in Babungo, Cameroon.The test also revealed that he is of 26% European and 74% Sub-Saharan African ancestry.
If any tribe wants to claim "Blair Underwood" it is supposed to be Cameroon, not Igbos, so remove him from your useless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American

2) Edward Wilmot Blyden, was never an Igbo man, he was a Yoruba man and never Igbo man. But Igbo people mischievously put him on their:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American

Another set of Yoruba too
“1) Karreem Abdul Jabbar -- the Lakers legend just confirmed from his DNA test that he is Yoruba
2) Judge Glenda Hatchett was crying in the court house when she told the crowd that her DNA confirmed she is Yoruba
3) Carlton E. Brown (current president of Clark university, Atlanta, Ga.
4) Theo Martins -- a rapper
5) Yoruba Richen -- Anthropologist
6) Robert Johnson Omohundro Nuclear Scientist
7) Booker Teniafeni Washington

Your people (Ibo) are the first set of people to claim the largest ethnic group in Africa via YouTube. Imagine? I doubt any information on your claim except you give me his DNA record.
Ibos are still the group of people that kept claiming JEWISH and yet Ibo have nothing close to you tradition close to Jewish in terms of using animal for ritualism(heifer,white ram and lamb etc) . Even the head Priest in Yoruba land is called ARABA close to RABBI (JEWISH PRIEST)
Temitope Balogun went to Israel with pride and he has become the talk of the town over there,because of the power of healing through him from almighty God. In fact how many presidents or extremely powerful people have visited J. D Jake where he is in America? I am waiting for the day Ibos will be classified as Neanderthals. Then I can be begin to believe your theory of Jewish link.
I had to refresh your memory because I doubt most information you people provide. Some years ago, there was a study that mentioned Ibo as EGYPTIANS. It confirms the pyramid story because of Ibos language connection. Have you read it?

RedboneSmith:
LOL. It is better you rest your case, sir. Apparently you haven't even read anything Chief Nkemnacho or other Olukumi greats like Temofeh have written about Olukumi.

This link is a description of Chief Nkemnacho's unpublished book written by the man's son U. George-Nkemnacho on the Olukumi. Please read what is says there about the meaning of Olukumi and continue resting your case.

http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/the-history-of-the-olukumi-people-in-nigeria

I only gave you a hint on it. If you think, I haven't read anything about Olukumi, then it means, you have an assumed position on the subject matter. However, I had and will still continue. I only refer to the name of the personality because of what seems to be the basis of this juxtaposing, which is the meaning of Olukunmi /Olukumi as “Friend ". Just like Rev. Samuel Johnson, blundered on OONI, identity, claiming One nonsense OWoni was saved child, whose mother was to be slain for trespassing on a day non movement and that he is the representative of Odua, which is a LIE. In fact even the name Odu'a is not the original name of the progenitor of ILE IFE. The reason I choose not to get muddy with you is because I know what I have read about the people and the falsified lies adduced to their migration. Part of Yoruba people of Olukumi begun movement when Civil war happened in BINI.
My submission still stand as OLUKUMI doesn't mean “friend”

SUNNYsparkle:
Can't see that well. Can I have a link? So I can study this very well: However, You can't compare what is gotten orally with what is gotten scientifically, Cos even lies when said for a long time become truth. Oral history is good but not when there is nothing scientific or factual backing it

Read Genesis of Yoruba Race

SUNNYsparkle:
Sounds so oral. It should been more elaborate and clear. Don't bother yourself I can read more on works of Scholars of Yoruba history. I've read and enjoyed lots of books on Yoruba. Especially on Egba, a civilisation I love so much. I also love works done on Remo, Akoko, Owo and Ijumu. I love the works

Of course yes. Although many Yoruba authors didn't see beyond ILE IFE. If you want to know people history, go to villages. You will be surprised at what you will discover, which is contrary to what many authors did in the past by covering up outside connection to Yoruba history. Anyway , Some knowledge are gained from some of these authors.

SUNNYsparkle:
Sounds so oral. It should been more elaborate and clear. Don't bother yourself I can read more on works of Scholars of Yoruba history.

Oral is part of human history and from it fact can be deduced..
The thirteen groups attached below

SUNNYsparkle:
It is just plain. Please I don't understand this chain link of lineage you are talking about. Hope it wont end up being some form of unacademic fairy tales. Please elaborate and illustrate more on it so we can see and understand.

Unacademic fairy tales? What Academic do people have? When some people don't have knowledge on my history and denied migration from Far East. My own ancestors migrated to ILE IFE. And the movement was in different waves. ILE IFE, has record of families. Anyone who claims to have connection to Yoruba must have link with the families at ILE IFE. Just like people are in Lagos with different identities and can still twist and speak Yoruba language till infinity. It doesn't make such a Yoruba. If some people claim ILE IFE, they must have families linked to ILE IFE. Proof it. Oral history and evidence close to it showed that Olofin Adimula fused the thirteen small units to Six groups. The sixth was headed by his younger brother. And each been acknowledged as Oba.

RedboneSmith:
No settlement is called Olukumi. It is the people who are called Olukumi. Their settlements have named like Ukwunzu, Ugbodu, etc. You, perhaps, are the one that needs to read more about Olukumi. It's not today I started reading about and meeting them. I am Anioma, and the Olukumi people exist in my backyard.

Olukumi in this context means exactly what I have told you it means.

I will not engage you on this matter. I advise you to read more from a writer, Chief G B Nkemnacho, who has done tremendous work on this people's history. OLUKUMI DOESN'T MEAN “ FRIEND". I rest my case

igbodefender:
They are bonafide Igbo aborigines from Ife, not the Ife in Imo State (surprised?), but the Ife in Osun State.

People can claim anything irrespective of their location .However, Ibos are not from ILE IFE. I know this too well. I can't be surprised .I have revealed the name of Ogboru. Unveil them and let see if it is true. Lemme tell you one bitter thing now. Irrespective of anyone link to ILE IFE,there is a chain link of lineage of ancestors.

RedboneSmith:
Oluku means friend in the Eastern Yoruba dialects (Owo-Ekiti-Ijesa area). Oluku mi is my friend.

My dear, Oluku mi, possibly mean friend in part of the places you mentioned though “OLU" have different meanings,depending on the mark of accent. There is also, OLU likened to mushroom, especially the ones been poison-less eaten by Yorubas. However, a settlement coined and called Olukumi doesn't mean “friend" because Yoruba named most settlement after the situation, Noble lineage, Chiefly , or leader of such settlement especially if he is linked to kingly blood. This is because, people do venture into different settlement for subjugation purposes and once the name of such place is mentioned with nobility, the place will be sheltered from being invaded from Yoruba Soldiers on espionage or expeditions . It is important to note that the meaning of the settlement of Yoruba people in anioma axis of Delta state can't be friend. I will advice you to read more about Olukumi/Olukunmi (the later is supposed to be right pronunciation). The Anioma people usually refer to them Olukwumi or something close to it. The “Kwu" Sound exactly “Kun" in Yoruba. Don't forget the fact that even OGBORU of Delta is a descendant of Odua from LAJAMASIN (daughter ) . So, that axis had Yoruba noble lineage lived there at one time or the other. The Civil war in BINI around 14th—15th centuries did made some Yoruba settlements move out of BINI to these different locations .

9jakool:
Yoruba was the name that Oyo empire was referred to by surrounding states.

First of all, "igbo" comes from the standardized modern Yoruba. The original people were known as Ugbó in the in the local Ife dialect, which translates to forest. In standardized modern Yoruba, Ugbó is known as Igbó. According to some oral sources, the people in the kingdom of Ugbó in present day Ondo state are from from ancient Ugbó of Ife.

Igbo is just a word in Yoruba with different intonation. If you speak a Kwa language, then you know how different intonation can affect or drastically change the meaning of a word. Ndi Igbo people(Eastern Nigerians) in Yoruba are referred to as ígbò or íbò, which is different from igbó (forest) and the Ìgbó in Ìgbómìnà (Yoruba subgroup). They don't have the same intonation, so they are not the same in meaning.

Ulukwumi is a Yoruba word in actuality. ígbò/íbò has no deep meaning in Yoruba. It's just a word Yoruba people used to refer to the people in the East. It has no ethymology context in Yoruba. Ulukwumi/ulukumi/olukumi/lukumi means my companion or my friend in Yoruba.

See that question is not for Yoruba people, but for Igbo people. Look into your oral sources or something.

I just explained it, they are not the same. Big difference in intonation.

Even though they refer to the same place, they have no relationship in meaning as they originate from different sources/languages. Lagos is Portuguese word meaning lake and Eko means farm or war camp.

Olukumi doesn't mean companion or friend. But “to be added unto ",it has “OLU" in it and it is strictly for lineage of KINGS in the olden days. You need to get acquainted with Yoruba names bore by different categories of ancient Yorubas. And also names given at birth as well other situation in ancient Yoruba land.

igbodefender:
@ 9jacool

Well Ugbo people were among the Igbo people Oduduwa met in Ife, but we know there was a general dispersal of these autochtonous Igbo after they were defeated at Igbomokun Battle due to Moremi Ajesoro (the Yoruba woman who married the Oba Igbo, the Obi Osere Igbo of the time, Obatala Oreluere.

So the Ugbo may have been part of the Igbo community that dispersed but there are also other succesor Igbo communities of Obatala's Ife. After war, some are killed, some sold out some eacape and others are assimilated.

The ancestors of the present day Ugbodu, Onicha (Orissa) Ugbo and Ugokko Araba area in the Igbo part of Niger Delta were autochtonous Igbos of Ile Ife. The ancestors of Ogba in Rivers State were among. The Oguta Igbo (who inherited the Obatala's Osere title) were also among.

They include the Igbo who didn't leave Ife, the Igbo who left to other areas in today's Yoruba land like the Great Owus and the Igbo who left and went far away.

They include the Eze Chima people ( yes, the Anioma- Igbos of the Niger Delta and parts of the South East- who followed Lucuni Prince Chima Obatala to Benin then to Anioma their farm area), the Obalufon people ( the Igbo's who never left Ife, that is he Oluyare or Igare or Iranje people), the Olukwumi speaking people in Anioma-Olukwumi/Lucumi was the language spoken by these Igbo's), and the international Lucumis who were sold out during the evil transatlantic slave trade they can be found all over the Americas today.

The kindle book I have linked to below tells much more about this: https://www.amazon.com/History-Igbo-World-Ancient-Civilization-ebook/dp/B01K4AIUO8

DNA PROOF YOU WRONG! PERIOD


HERE IS THE DNA TRACES OF YORUBA WITH WHOM THEY HAVE TRACES WITH IN AFRICA. I WILL SHOW THE REST OF THE WORLD LATER. STOP ALL THESE LINK, IT HOLD NO GROUND. IGBO-HO IS ONE OF THE OLDEST SETTLEMENT OF ANCIENT YORUBA. FUNNY SET OF PEOPLE.

EMI OMO OKE RI ULE
EMI OMO ARU-OGBO ULE

fatiaforreal:
I'm sorry for the delay.
Don't trivialise this issue. The Ijaws did not come out of water, they were on land before they adapted to coastal environment, which is part of evolution. They migrated to where they are, and are amongst the earliest there.

The fable of one Ekalerderhan wandering through the bush and single handedly conquering Ife is as laughable as someone descending from heaven with a chain. They are all lies, at best mythology. The funny thing is we're so ignorant in this part of the world that even ilitratrates see themselves as philosophers.

The fable of someone coming from the sky/heaven to rule over a people is common all over sub-Saharan africa:
1) The Ilaje people (Ugbo) have a preOduduwa history of Ajanoron (Ajalorun) coming from heaven, whose son was Oromakin the first ruler of Ugbo.
2)Igala have a mythology of a founder who came from heaven.
3)The Binis told the world how God came to the first heaven, had three children, one one of which is Olokun who bore the first Ogiso (ruler from the sky)
4)Yorubas believe Oduduwa came from heaven not just to rule Ife but to actually create the world.
There are so many similar stories across Africa, yet we're here making foolish arguments without seeing that the same story is being told in different versions.

If we leave mythology, Yoruba claim Oduduwa came from the East(Arabia), the Binis claim they came from Egypt(Sudan and Egypt were a single kingdom in the past). The people of Borgu claim the kingdom founder came from the East(maybe it's another Bazuaye who wandered through the bush and came out in Borgu and conquered the land )

The Ekalerdahan theory is no more than another lie. The Binis might have come from Sudan, they were once part of the Yoruboid group. Their journey did not start in Sudan/Egypt but southern Africa, from where they moved to Congo before anywhere else, from Congo some moved to Sudan(even before Egypt, while some journeyed to the confluence area of river Niger. They were later joined by a party from Sudan. From the river Niger confluence, many separation. took place. The Igbos crossed to Eastern part of modern Nigeria. The Binis continued there southward journey to where they named Igodomigodo( that's why Jacob Egarevba wrote that the earliest Bini people came from Nupe). The Igala separated. The Yoruba and Nupe remained in that environment and named the place Ile Ife and Nyuife respectively according to the separation of languages taking place. Old Ife was destroyed by flood and the people migrated to the present site of Ife while the other people shifted but still within the river Niger environs and retain the name Nyuife which eventually metamorphosed into Nupe.

The Oduduwa group came thousands of years later together. He led a a group of people on migrations, passing through Sudan(or possibly they came from Sudan) to Nupeland where some members of his group founded Borgu kingdom. Oduduwa moved to second Ife which had been established a long time before then. Everything suggests it was a military conquest especially if you take the Ugbo/Moremi events into cognizance.

Notwithstanding, all these people were one and same at different times in history. However, Yoruba has evolved into a bigger nation with global relevance with much ascendancy over it's contemporaries of past centuries.

I do appreciate your scholarly opinion on the name christened to the man called ODUDUA. However, that is not the man's name but where he originated from. In truth, he came with multitude when there was destruction of the Lower part of Egypt because of using ram as a sacrifices. That is where Adimula and his group came from. The man who was referred to as Odua is the descendant of ,Jehoahaz , brother of Eliakim, whose father was Josiah (King of Judah) who was killed at Meggido (July–August) to Elul (August–September) of 609 BC. Josiah was therefore killed in the month of Tammuz, 609 BC. The Progenitor and ancestor of Yoruba called Odu'a, whose real name wasn't Odu'a but the place of their origin WAS O'JUDUA.

If interested, you can read more on the king of Judah, that was killed by Son of WAHIBRE(KING OF EGYPT) called
Pharaoh Necho II and he had Eliakim become the king while was taken into Egyptian captivity in Egypt with his family until he died many years after. Although, before
Jehoahaz ,whose birth name was pronounced as Shallum. JOSIA was the only king killed before his son who was first made king after his father's death was deposed and taken to Egypt. While his older brother with two years difference Eliakim was made king of Judah.


Here, you will see places connected to Yoruba via DNA TRACES, YOU WILL SEE WHERE MOUNT SINAI is. Perhaps, you will see little or more if you want to do self research.

bigfrancis21:
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02968364

For those claiming Igbos were 'merely' farmers and knew no exposure to the outside world, above is scientific evidence to the contrary, pointing to the earliest contacts with outsiders by Igbos before other Nigerian southern groups.

https://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/IST/IST527/2326005.jpg
https://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/IST/IST527/2330001.jpg
https://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/IST/IST527/2326006.jpg
https://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/IST/IST527/2329999.jpg
https://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/IST/IST527/2330000.jpg
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/2591181447_6e6f8001a6_o.jpg
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/2703516715_d92414ec83_o.jpg

You make me laugh. There isn't any iota doubt that Art work existed in Nri and other Ibo enclave but it was a Art unlike the early settlers of Yorubas TERRACOTTA at its finest which is not compared to any part of SUBSAHARA AFRICA. Terra-cotta and bronze the ethnic characteristics of the models are well portrayed, the works resemble the sculpture of ancient Greece or Egyptian art , rather than the culture of black Africa. Furthermore,
it is the terracotta sculpture (and bronzes) which show the art of ancient Ife at its best. Even the Benin heads cannot compare.

The bitter truth is that, we Yoruba had a history different from Ibos. In terms of Art, manufacturing during ancient times etc despite the fact that radiocarbon showed Igboukwu being older than ILE IFE. There are journals written about Africa people on language. For example “They Lived Before Adam: Pre-historic Origins of the Igbo, The Never Been Ruled (2009) and The Lost Testament of the Ancestors of Adam: Unearthing Heliopolis/Igbo Ukwu – The Celestial City of the Gods of Egypt and Dravidian India (2010)." So, I didn't disagree on Art in Ibo land but WAS not on the same class with ancient YORUBAS.

bigfrancis21:
You are the jokester here. Olaudah Equiano did exist and his daughter's grave in the UK is still identified till today. His activities in the US are also on record. There is no known image taken of him, thus that picture assigned to him to put a 'face' to the name. The same applies to Thomas Peters, with no known image or picture taken of him, that same image was assigned to him as well. His last known address where he lived in London is still known, and his wife and two daughters' names. Olaudah was sometime ago given a commemorative plaque which hangs on the outside of the building in London where he lived. Thus it is preposterous and quite laughable to even think Olaudah was Thomas Peters.

https://assets.londonremembers.com/images/big/44192.jpg?1319375693

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3616/3459494370_cd466177db.jpg?v=1240234227

Second, I was putting it clear that Igbos got exposed to the Europeans long before the time some people were insinuating here through slavery. Pre-slavery, the Igbo Ukwu art works, which have been discovered to have more details, finery and finesse than any of its southern Nigerian counterpart, flourished as early as the 9th century and indications are that materials used for these art works were outsourced from far distances, with Egypt not being ruled out. Also, the ancient Igbo pyramids discovered in Udi Nigeria which are smaller images of what looks like the Egyptian pyramids indicate an ancient construction of those pyramids.

Anthony Joshua is a Nigerian and we are all proud of him. Nigerians everywhere are doing well, you act like it is only Yorubas that hold success exclusively. Since the last 4 years in quick succession, 5 Igbo children in the US have been admitted to ALL Ivy league schools in the US, no Yoruba child is yet to do that in the US. Igbo kids also beat white kids, other African kids, Indian and Chinese kids in general exams in the same UK with a high population of Yorubas, with an overall higher pass rate than other groups. There's much more that I have lost count. So quit that childish thinking of yours.

Really? So, how come we have the same kind of heroes having similarities even sharing the same picture? Isn't it foolhardy making mockery of history of an individual having identifiable identical “twin" characters as if, it is a script? Anyone can easily claim OLUADAH EXIST based on fictitious character to be named a hero. The Sign, which indicates his name and burial sites doesn't proof anything, as far as I am concerned. He was claimed to have changed names, how come? Why same picture with Thomas Peters? Thomas Peters history is well documented in the US and UK. I will be glad to see documentation of OLUADAH'S existence and his participation during the American Civil war. Kindly do me the honour.Secondly, Either 9th century or older, has nothing to do with the word “OYIBO" OR OYINBO. The reality is that Yoruba had ancient contact older than Ibos with foreigners because of Art, beads, clothing and war expeditions. It is just as the word being used by Ibos “aso ebi", has been adopted,so it won't be a big surprise to see such words being claimed as having been indigenous to Ibos, whereas it's a borrowed term. Anthony Joshua is a Yoruba young man and yet it is hardly seen on the internet being over celebrated because of our conservative nature. You are in a position to inform if it was an Ibo man that made Ibos proud proud, would song will be in Biafrans mouth? Another one is TEMITOPE BALOGUN (T. B JOSHUA) that have been welcome to Israel. Can you see the power of JESUS CHRIST work in the life of another Yoruba man? What about the Lola Odunjinrin(the first man from African to fly round the world)? etc. We Yoruba are more adventurous more than Ibos despite our conservative nature.The whites do more research on Yoruba people because of their curiosity about our identity. Yorubas walk in pride and humility.

bigfrancis21:
You are still derailing the topic matter and drawing irrelevant things into this topic. How does bead production relate to the very question for which this thread was created? Is bead creation evidence that 'oyibo', not 'oyinbo' is of yoruba origin? Honestly, I am still trying to get your logic behind this image you posted and how it relates to the subject matter. Somebody help me out here.

You are the greatest Comedian of the 21st century. Have you forgotten that you claimed Eboes had contact with outsiders including whites between 14th—17th century before Yoruba ? And this which you claimed wasn't true based on radiocarbon test at Ile ife that confirmed the beads manufacturing ,clothing production and with evidences in Africa and Europe. And I countered your view on OLUADAH as Ibo man because the said man was the same man being identified as THOMAS PETERS which make the story of OLUADAH a Joke! Thirdly I told you about the word “Óka" as being used in Yoruba land, especially in the hinterlands. And the word Oyinbo was in actual fact existed in Yoruba land long before Ibos. Have you even forgotten Yoruba have the largest Nigeria's ethnicity in England in the past ? Even till now, ONE OF THEM STILL DID YORUBA PROUD, ANTHONY OLUWAFEMI OLASENI JOSHUA. Have you forgotten that Ibos like to commit suicide by jumping off boards once captured most times when they had such opportunity,especially the ones with NRI marks. How did Ibos now become the group that first used the word, when Yoruba land were already organised and transacted with the rest of the world ,when Ibos were still basically FARMERS. Get your fact right! No hard feeling.

9jakool:
Yeah I've heard Ife traded across the Sahara. Ife also had furnaces where those red and blue glass beads were manufactured.
kudos to you! You know your stuff.

I do thorough research before I comment. And I am here to compliment others like you and Co that have been doing tremendous work to unravel the past of Yoruba ancestors. Thanks all the way

bigfrancis21:
@bold...where is your evidence for this? And what is the use of this entire irrelevant post of yours anyway to the discourse at hand? Which DNA supports Yoruba as the largest ethnic group in America? Or this is one of those fake theories in your head? So-called half-baked african historians.

Truth be told as it is, Ifa is an afro religion in the new world with many adherents who are not necessarily of Yoruba ancestry, just like Christianity or Islam. Roman Catholicism originated from Rome and there are over 5 million or more Roman Catholics in Nigeria but that does not mean we are descended from Rome or are Romans by blood. Just because you see many black people adhering to Ifa in Brazil, Cuba etc. it does not mean they are Yorubas. It would be your greatest folly to assume so. A great number of these followers are descended from slaves from Congo, Angola, etc. who sent to those countries in huge numbers, even from the Bight of Biafra too. Many of these Ifa followers follow Ifa not because they think they are Yoruba but because they seek some sort of cultural connection back to mama africa, and the Yourba being the last of tribes to arrive the new world, their cultural elements survived the most. Infact as recently as the early 1900s, there were some native nago-speaking slaves in the new world. Those born in the early 1900s would be our grandparents today for some of us or our great-grandparents. It really should be looked into why the language did not survive as a living language when at the time they arrived, slavery had been long abolished and more slave freedom of association and religion was allowed. Their entry into the new world was recent, and their connection to home was the strongest, thus many were able to remember and return successfully to Yoruba land (Ajayi Crowther, for example). DNA may undergo recombination but it is never lost. For posterity's sake leave your unnecessary tribal sentiments aside and see things for how they truly are.

Truly, in terms of ancestral DNA, Yoruba would come in after Congo, Angola, Igbo, Ewe-Fon, Akan etc. but Yoruba is often given more attention due to the influence of its religion in the new world.

You think, it is about pride? My dear, I am not crazily emotional about certain details except abuses has creep up. I attached to my last info where BEADS WERE BEING SOLD BEYOND AFRICA before it declined due to cheap production of substandard of it in Europe around 16th-17th century. For benefit of doubt. I will reattach it once again. Zoom it and you will see “SEGI" bead etc. Then on the second, on DNA, you must be kidding if you don't accept what DNA researchers have done. I really don't enjoy attachment because it waste time. Although, I will want you google this; “ancestors of Yoruba people provided the largest contribution of genes from Africa to modern Americans"
This research was done by Oxford team.

cue64:
typical afonja the only one from the best tribe in nigeria with the best history no one can match... i hail thee sire,, can u now take ur recalcitrant self our of this thread thank you...

What is even wrong with you people? You are children of slaves. Why would you create a thread you know nothing about? All of you that kept calling my ancestor that he came from EDO, THUNDER WILL FIRE YOU ALL. EYIN ELERI BU GBO GBO YI.

vaxx:
this is a complete garbbage utterance. if i have my way ,i will have slap you overthere for being too foolish.

how will a born and breed ghanian be able to speak yoruba and hausa toghether.even if he is able.how can he be able to write it perfectly like a native speaker. do you think yorub and hausa is study as as a subject in ghana. You are too dull for my liking.

you said abuja is 37 district. i will like you to provide unbiased link that support your claim. you said what is in jos？ here i am lost. you have to enlighten me. i stay very close to semchark opposite unijos along bauch road.
Am a proper jos broughtup.

if i will repeat my self again. am a full blown yoruba from oshogbo osun state. again for you to know i am an ifa faith adherent. omo oroki asala ni mi. abi ghanian dey do ifa. so shut up.

Take it easy bro.

cue64:
he was known as ekaladeran who became oduduwa to the yourubas, buh the benins still respect the name he asked to be called..

Why do they call ODU'A, ÈRUJÈJÈ? WHAT WAS ODU'A'S COMPLEXION? CLASSICAL CLOWN GROUPS OF COMPANIES.

Femolacaster:
I have read Oyo version (which some claim it's for entire Yoruba) of Yoruba History and Ife Version. It's only Oyo version that labelled Ooni as priest.
As a neutral person, you just want me to read all these tales and believe?
Oyo people can never know d history of Ifes more than Ife people.

Don't make the mistake. Oyo's account was written by Rev. Samuel Johnson. So, you can not accurately blame Oyo that was deep in the upper part Northern of Yoruba and close to Nupe /Bariba/Tapa land. The modern day kings just want relevance. Yoruba history is intact. Oyo that was initiated into IFA by ADO(Ekiti). How can Oyo know the history of Olofin Adimula or Oranmiyan more than ILE IFE? A city built by Erujèjè himself,Olofin Adimula .

jconsulting:
Bros Olugbo has sniff this tin again, so Oduduwa actually met you in Ile-Ife , when you are speaking in thunder I see but you decided to go and settle in Olugbo ,bros just becos you have small change for pocket is making you saying all these trash, the other day Oluwo of Iwo (yahoo boy) too said he is the most senior in Yoruba land......

But why are they not saying all these nonsense when Ooni resa, Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse jigbini bi ate akun was around . Ooni OJaja please just forgive them for they know not what they are saying.

It is because Yoruba history is not properly taught in modern day Yoruba land. Oba Akinruntan is just trying to differentiate the ugbos from Igbo(Yeebos) people.